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May 13, 2023, 02:03:04 AM
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Your government is the limit in using bitcoin because the government will carry out all regulations regarding anything. If the government doesn't approve, they will easily do it, including shutting down the internet in your country.

If other countries don't shut down their internet, bitcoin will still run. And if in one country many businesses must be connected to the internet, there will surely be massive demonstrations if the government is not wise in managing all the regulations.

But in this technological era, the government will not simply turn off the internet because the internet has become necessary for many people and businesses. If the government didn't pay attention to this, they would be met with rejection from many people.

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May 13, 2023, 02:22:26 AM
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I don't know much about this issue and I'm only speaking according to what I know.

In my opinion, the absence of the internet will disrupt transactions or invest in BTC, because without the internet, it will be difficult for us to buy and sell BTC.
I think in this case we have to make a wise decision and in this case you are the one doing it so I think you have to do your own research or like other friends suggest it for you, so you can make transactions using BTC etc.
honestly without the internet we will not be able to transact using btc.
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May 13, 2023, 05:44:28 AM
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I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.
If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it. 

It's so sad to see that the governments are still preventing their citizens from use of essential things like the internet, but the internet can't be shutdown globally since the whole world depends on the internet for our day to day activities. If the internet get blocked then we'll be returning to the stone age since this generation can't cope without the internet.

Bitcoin can be sent through radio waves as I read an article on that, maybe people in your country can try using that when it gets available but for the main time just stay calm while things return to normal because I believe it'll. You can also look for alternative Internet providers.

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May 13, 2023, 06:17:18 AM
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Mainly due to political unrest, internet services are currently down in Pakistan. The PTA has decided to shut down internet services to avoid unrest in the country over the issue of Imran Khan's arrest. A news where it is said that the country is losing about 83 crore rupees every day due to one day internet service shutdown. Pakistan government may consider these things. Maybe this temporary problem in your country will go away very soon.

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May 13, 2023, 06:37:48 AM
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I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it. 
It is true that bitcoin needs the internet in order to be used at all, but is it really such a great limitation? Maybe if this was the early nineties I would agree, but the internet is only getting faster, more readily available and it is becoming one of the keys for the success of any modern society.

And even if governments can shutdown the internet to stop bitcoin, would they dare? This will affect the economy of their countries in a major way, and at the end it would not solve anything, because as soon as they activated the internet again then bitcoin will work again as if nothing happened.

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May 13, 2023, 09:36:57 AM
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Bitcoin can be sent through radio waves as I read an article on that, maybe people in your country can try using that when it gets available but for the main time just stay calm while things return to normal because I believe it'll. You can also look for alternative Internet providers.

I have never heard of this, how could it work? Bitcoin was created based on the internet, so I don't believe we can use bitcoin without the internet, that sounds very absurd. As far as I know, what is going on in Pakistan is political, so all internet providers are subject to government orders, so you have no way of finding an alternative provider, nobody wants the government to punish them.

Everything will be back to normal soon because they can't cut the internet for a long time, which will cause a lot of problems in this modern society. But this shows that, if the government wants to, they still have many ways to limit and prevent bitcoin.

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May 13, 2023, 09:52:48 AM
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I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.
but why? why would they suspend cellular internet service?

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.
I don't think they will do it, that is if they know how important the Internet is for the economy. if they did shut down the Internet service in your country, they will just cripple your country's economy.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.  
there are ways that you can send BTC without the internet but from what I have read, it is impractical, so I still agree that it is one of the limitations of Bitcoin.

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Bitcoin can be sent through radio waves as I read an article on that, maybe people in your country can try using that when it gets available but for the main time just stay calm while things return to normal because I believe it'll. You can also look for alternative Internet providers.

I have never heard of this, how could it work? Bitcoin was created based on the internet, so I don't believe we can use bitcoin without the internet, that sounds very absurd.
there are articles made about it, you can search on it google if you want to get more info, in fact, radio waves aren't the only way to do it.

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May 13, 2023, 10:09:33 AM
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As people said, that's not the Bitcoin problem. Without the internet, you are unable to do a lot of things, and Bitcoin is just one of them. There are a lot of ways to do something about it, but I wasn't in your position so I can't give you any advice. I just hope everything will be better for you someday.

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May 13, 2023, 04:21:25 PM
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Yeah, that's an issue and a limitation to be honest. Nothing much we can do here until someone comes up with a new solution. Others are recommending using Starlink or other satellite equipment. But as far as I know, the government can also put a ban on own such devices if they want. Getting caught using those devices can end up putting you on the jail. The same with satellite phones. There are countries out there were using such phones are prohibited. They can put an overall ban in producing or importing those equipment...

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May 13, 2023, 04:42:31 PM
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Yeah, that's an issue and a limitation to be honest. Nothing much we can do here until someone comes up with a new solution. Others are recommending using Starlink or other satellite equipment. But as far as I know, the government can also put a ban on own such devices if they want. Getting caught using those devices can end up putting you on the jail. The same with satellite phones. There are countries out there were using such phones are prohibited. They can put an overall ban in producing or importing those equipment...
The internet for me is the most attached limit on Bitcoin transactions or other internet -based, Elon Starlink also has provisions such as making payments in its services, to be honest I myself do not understand about roaming access like this that is outside the government in my country.
And after I read the government can take part in overseeing this service so that they are most likely to prohibit it and or kill it unilaterally. And yes the government can scan the network and coordinates of its use so that it will be very difficult to get security if we violate.

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May 13, 2023, 07:06:52 PM
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I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it. 

There are many great responses here detailing alternative routes you can take to still use and access Bitcoin, that is true. But, there are also comments here that are very cavalier in their responses as if loss of internet services across the country is not much of a problem and can be solved easily. As if it can be easily solved by protesting a strict regime, or bypassing access when there is political and military unrest in your country. Internet, if not easily accessible, will always be a limitation if it comes to availing and using cryptocurrency.

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May 13, 2023, 07:22:45 PM
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There are alternative options, although they will take a bit of time and effort in order to set up and use.
That was is a very good idea but getting the Satellite Dish and subscribe to the server before using it will be costly. Not everyone can afford it. In 2011 I was using one and only the subscription was $200 and now that things are costly, it will be even more than that.

The easiest way to stay synced with the network without an internet connection is via Blockstream Satellite. It is possible to repurpose any old satellite dish in order to do this.
The alternative way of using satellite is good but not everyone can get it as I said. Using satellite dish for internet is for the average family or if any other lower people decide to use it for business purpose the it is okay. Satellite Dish is very good for internet business.

In order to broadcast a transaction, you need to get it to someone with an internet connection. This might be someone who has bypassed government restrictions, or maybe someone who lives near a border and can use the connection of another country, or someone outside your country altogether. You can get it to them via a mesh network such as goTenna, via SMS, via radio, or any other way you like.

That is another good idea but you have to pay the person for service rendering. You can discuss with the person to pay daily, weekly or monthly. So that the person can add it up to other funds to subscribe the internet.









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May 13, 2023, 09:05:02 PM
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I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.  

There are many great responses here detailing alternative routes you can take to still use and access Bitcoin, that is true. But, there are also comments here that are very cavalier in their responses as if loss of internet services across the country is not much of a problem and can be solved easily. As if it can be easily solved by protesting a strict regime, or bypassing access when there is political and military unrest in your country. Internet, if not easily accessible, will always be a limitation if it comes to availing and using cryptocurrency.

Stay safe, brother.

There may be alternative routes as suggested above, but if a person doesn't have much, he won't afford such route.
I can say, internet will indeed hinder the use of crypto especially for a country which has limitations on this aspect.
But as mentioned in early post, Starlink is covering their services in Pakistan already, but need to check out their rates.
Because in my country, the rates from Starlink is not very affordable, so I will stick to my current net provider.
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May 13, 2023, 09:39:40 PM
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I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it.  
You are very correct because this is one of the limitations many people that are leaving in the rural area are facing right now and if you tell them about Bitcoin and how it works, they could cry to you that they don't have a constant access to the internet and it a major problem especially when connectivity is partially available to them. The people in this kind of environment are mostly left to leave there lives without the need of the internet.

If there there ways Bitcoin can be process even with the access to internet, this would have facilitate the huge adoption of Bitcoin but I don't think Bitcoin can ever be transact without the use of the internet.

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May 13, 2023, 09:49:20 PM
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I don't know much about this issue and I'm only speaking according to what I know.

In my opinion, the absence of the internet will disrupt transactions or invest in BTC, because without the internet, it will be difficult for us to buy and sell BTC.
I think in this case we have to make a wise decision and in this case you are the one doing it so I think you have to do your own research or like other friends suggest it for you, so you can make transactions using BTC etc.
honestly without the internet we will not be able to transact using btc.

All digital transaction is limited by having no internet and Bitcoin is not different from them.  Since Bitcoin thrives in an online environment, it cannot perform its function when deprived of the internet.  Although there are some ways of transferring Bitcoin outside its standard means, it is more troublesome and possess risk in the process.  The good thing is this limitation is shared by many other digital  system like e-banking, CBDC  and other online commerce, it is more likely that this limitation can't be exploited by the anti-Bitcoin group.
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May 13, 2023, 10:03:26 PM
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I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it. 

I've heard in some African countries they started offering an SMS service for Bitcoin transactions which allows users to send/receive Bitcoin without internet access (and even without a smartphone). Not sure how it works though and if they're going to start offering it in other developing countries.
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Only that which is the limitation of the internet can be the limitation of bitcoin; Electricity. If there is electricity, many possible means of sharing information would be made available regardless of the Government rules. Internet is an Electricity lifestyle while bitcoin is an Internet Lifestyles it draws a larger scale of difference, but what mattered to people is that their gadgets turn on or are well charged. I'm glad to have seen the possible method of connecting our bitcoin to a satellite. It's an exceptional Idea and it has proven that bitcoin will always stay aloof of its possible problems.

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May 13, 2023, 10:46:39 PM
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I am facing a real world issue that prevents me from using Bitcoin.

I live in Pakistan and for last three days cellular internet service all across the country is suspended because of prevailing law and order situation. Internet is working on fixed line connection that is reaching homes. So there is still some connectivity available.

If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it. 
It is true that bitcoin needs the internet in order to be used at all, but is it really such a great limitation? Maybe if this was the early nineties I would agree, but the internet is only getting faster, more readily available and it is becoming one of the keys for the success of any modern society.

And even if governments can shutdown the internet to stop bitcoin, would they dare? This will affect the economy of their countries in a major way, and at the end it would not solve anything, because as soon as they activated the internet again then bitcoin will work again as if nothing happened.

Nowadays, cutting off the internet for a long time is impossible when every device depends on it.  internet and electricity are two things like food and water to a person. Without either, a healthy person will become weak and lead to death if this condition persists. as far as I know, what's going on in Pakistan, the government is disrupting the internet for political purposes, not for bitcoin.  So this situation will be resolved soon.

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As people said, that's not the Bitcoin problem. Without the internet, you are unable to do a lot of things, and Bitcoin is just one of them. There are a lot of ways to do something about it, but I wasn't in your position so I can't give you any advice. I just hope everything will be better for you someday.
The Pakistani government is imposing a defiant display of power, barring and limiting their residents' rights; it's so bad to shut off citizens' internet access for unexplained reasons. The internet is one of the most basic human necessities, and imposing strictly prohibited regulations would only make the issue worse. Citizens will be unable to manage their usage of the current world, everything they work so hard to put in place will fade, as everything concerning the digital age improving day by day. The point is to wish for brighter days ahead, for good things do come to those who wait.

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If government shut down internet service even on fixed line connection then there will be complete internet blackout in the country and in that situation we cant use bitcoin.

I think this is also one of limitation of bitcoin that we need internet to use it. 
This kind of situation has more things to consider, the banking system, telephone and cash will be much more problematic when the internet network is down. Is your country currently experiencing a cash currency crisis? If the banking system is fine and still operating as usual, this is another problem your country has deliberately created.

For bitcoin problems, there may have been a lot of suggestions and input given by people in the comments so that you can still use and access bitcoin. Internet outages are a much bigger problem where all network communications will be completely shut down, usually to limit any communication to other countries and this has happened in China.

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