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May 27, 2023, 11:48:09 AM
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And what are centralized exchanges? They're not primarily a store where you can buy Bitcoin; more than anything else, they're a trading platform. That's what they are meant for. As such, can we "fully rely on them?" If we use them as trading platforms, "for what they are," are we not going to have regrets? I don't think so.

And what choice does an active trader have but to keep his/her funds in the exchange he/she is using. Even if you're not staking, your money will still remain on exchanges if you are actively trading. You can't just pull out your funds every time your order gets filled. You're burning profit that way.

Did the victims of FTX, Mt. Gox, Cryptopia, QuadrigaCX, and many others not "use them for what they are?"
Users with small capital will obviously have no option but to keep their funds in the exchange, but those who trade with high capital should basically keep their funds somewhere else and only transfer them to the exchange when they want to make trades, this way, if something goes wrong with the exchange, they won't lose everything.

I know it's difficult since one will have to pay fees every time for depositing and withdrawing funds from an exchange to wallet and then from wallet to the exchange, but it is at least better than having to lose everything you have.
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May 27, 2023, 07:31:19 PM
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Users with small capital will obviously have no option but to keep their funds in the exchange, but those who trade with high capital should basically keep their funds somewhere else and only transfer them to the exchange when they want to make trades, this way, if something goes wrong with the exchange, they won't lose everything.
An alternative would be using a decentralized platform where you don't have to transfer funds to a third party before making trades. Even if you only have low capital you should never keep your funds on an exchange, especially if you don't trade daily. At the end of the day, you'll always face risks, but it is important to reduce them if you can. Keeping your funds on an exchange because you don't want to pay transfer fees is not the best choice imo.

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May 27, 2023, 11:50:09 PM
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Keeping your funds on an exchange because you don't want to pay transfer fees is not the best choice imo.
It's huge misconception of everybody, in fact exchange charge too much fee when transferring coins to another wallet unless using those unpopular coin for lesser withdrawal transaction fees.

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May 28, 2023, 01:59:09 PM
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Exchanges are privileged to recieve more than what they can hold or what they should be trusted to hold. They are used for what they are and even more than. That extra stretch causes the major helm

Failed centralized exchanges are of all kinds and sizes. They didn't die because they were trusted with so much. They simply failed; security failures, financial management failures, whatever.

That's correct! You have clarified the issues and yet we are pointing same direction although with different methods of explanation. When you look at the two possible reasons exchanges fail that you listed above, you will still understand that it's related to we trusting them more than they should be trusted, otherwise giving them more than they can safeguard.
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They got more than they could secure, maybe they attracted hackers because they accepted much and many people uses them as their wallet.

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Maybe they could have succeeded if they were trusted based on what they have in their reserve. They designed to service 2 Millon people and suddenly 10 million people signed up


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May 28, 2023, 10:12:51 PM
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Sending your coins to a centralized exchange or any custodial service is the same as giving your money to a strange person, that you don't know, and ask him to keep it safe. The only difference, is that with licensed exchanges, there is a slight chance to get some of your money back when the exchange try to pull an exit scam or file a bankruptcy.
Cryptocurrencies started with bitcoin and all bitcoin is about is decentralization and being your own bank. So, better keep it this way and avoid all custodial/centralized services.

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May 28, 2023, 11:34:22 PM
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Exchanges are privileged to recieve more than what they can hold or what they should be trusted to hold. They are used for what they are and even more than. That extra stretch causes the major helm

Failed centralized exchanges are of all kinds and sizes. They didn't die because they were trusted with so much. They simply failed; security failures, financial management failures, whatever.

That's correct! You have clarified the issues and yet we are pointing same direction although with different methods of explanation. When you look at the two possible reasons exchanges fail that you listed above, you will still understand that it's related to we trusting them more than they should be trusted, otherwise giving them more than they can safeguard.

This is also correct. But since we are able to identify the causes of repeated failure every time, isn't it possible to address those reasons and establish a clear contract that all trading platforms are required to follow and that is stipulated in the activity license? Of course, this can only be done by another central authority that is more powerful and influential than any size that any platform can start or reach one day.
Perhaps, at this stage in our history, we are not ready enough to completely abandon centralized platforms, given that we have what can be compensated for by decentralized platforms or peer-to-peer platforms.
Personally, I never encourage the use of centralized platforms, even licensed ones, since I care about my privacy. But this cannot be an objective treatment of the issue as a whole.
Yes, the central platforms prove their failure, regardless of their size and whatever their reputation. But let's be fair, our overconfidence in these platforms is not the only thing that makes them fail and drown us with them; The absence of oversight may also be one of the most important factors motivating these platforms to act recklessly with user deposits and data, and it may work if their activity becomes subject to more stringent control. Because it simply cannot prevent anyone from launching a platform, and at the same time it cannot prevent all users from trusting those platforms, whether knowingly or unknowingly.
Governments can play an amending role, but at that time we must also think about the means that enable us to impose control on the governments themselves so that they do not transgress, as is the case today with banks.
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May 29, 2023, 11:27:48 PM
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Exchanges are privileged to recieve more than what they can hold or what they should be trusted to hold. They are used for what they are and even more than. That extra stretch causes the major helm

Failed centralized exchanges are of all kinds and sizes. They didn't die because they were trusted with so much. They simply failed; security failures, financial management failures, whatever.
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This is also correct. But since we are able to identify the causes of repeated failure every time, isn't it possible to address those reasons and establish a clear contract that all trading platforms are required to follow and that is stipulated in the activity license? Of course, this can only be done by another central authority that is more powerful and influential than any size that any platform can start or reach one day.
You already countered this yourself unknowingly.
Using more centralization to check centralization will be disastrous.
The only lasting solution to avoid centralization is decentralization.
It is time high campaigns gears up about decentralized exchanges and then developers putting more efforts to make them user friendly.
Convertion from centralization to decentralization is the only lasting solution.

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May 30, 2023, 08:04:41 PM
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Exchanges are privileged to recieve more than what they can hold or what they should be trusted to hold. They are used for what they are and even more than. That extra stretch causes the major helm

Failed centralized exchanges are of all kinds and sizes. They didn't die because they were trusted with so much. They simply failed; security failures, financial management failures, whatever.
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This is also correct. But since we are able to identify the causes of repeated failure every time, isn't it possible to address those reasons and establish a clear contract that all trading platforms are required to follow and that is stipulated in the activity license? Of course, this can only be done by another central authority that is more powerful and influential than any size that any platform can start or reach one day.
You already countered this yourself unknowingly.
Using more centralization to check centralization will be disastrous.
The only lasting solution to avoid centralization is decentralization.
It is time high campaigns gears up about decentralized exchanges and then developers putting more efforts to make them user friendly.
Convertion from centralization to decentralization is the only lasting solution.

I agree with you that the best solution to the problem of centralization is to go to decentralization. But this can take a long time for two main reasons:
- First, due to the slow development in the field of decentralized applications, especially trading platforms.
- Secondly, governments and government financial institutions will not be lenient with granting licenses to decentralized platforms, and will always strive to control these platforms within the centralization policy that requires controlling people's savings and spending for various purposes.
On this basis, decentralization will not solve the current problems by itself, especially since users live in (centralized) capitalist systems and their culture is mainly banking. The idea that occurred to me to try to avoid crises caused by centralized platforms is to deal with them as banks are dealt with and work to regulate them, waiting for the pace of development of decentralized platforms to rise so that we can actually abandon those centralized projects.
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