UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season

[pawel7777]

What do you guys think about the odds for the UCL winner:

Real Madrid: x1.30
Borussia Dortmund: x3.50

Looks like oddsmakers are not convinced by the German team eliminating Atletico and PSG and still consider them to be the underdog.
Personally I think it's anyone's game and I think Real will only be slightly better if both teams perform at their 100%.
BvB did quite well in the semi-final and the quarter-final while Real barely made it past Man City and Bayern. You could say that Real had tougher opponents (which is true) but, for what it's worth, Borussia did beat Bayern 2-0 in their last league game.
The mental advantage will definitely be on Dortmund's side.

[Sim_card]

These games are completely different. Players have different limits and while Real Madrid would be better at playing consistently over the course of a season, anything can happen on such an evening. Odds for Dortmund to win the game are around 5.0, but it is indeed hard to believe that Dortmund can win it in regular time. But see how they eliminated Atletico Madrid and PSG and of course they will need some luck, but isn't it the same for Real Madrid? Seeing the referee taking away that goal from Bayern Munich was kind of lucky. Everyone thought they would lose that game and then Manuel Neuer makes an unbelievable mistake. It is all part of the game.

Yeah the chance is still there.

We shouldn't forget in the last season, Manchester City was completely humiliate any opponents, but when they face Inter in the final match, it's actually 50/50 match and Manchester City only scored one goal.

Dortmund on other hand, is really confident after they beat PSG two times. If Dortmund can get the trophy, this would be a honor to Reus.

With the way Real Madrid played yesterday and won the match at the dying minutes to extra time, is the same way they will put up all their seriousness on the final day to make sure that they win the trophy. PSG is not as strong as Real Madrid, and it was Dortmund fate this season that they will be playing in the finals, if not PSG played better than them but they were unlucky and that is why you see that their balls was hitting the goal post in both first and second leg of the matches. That luck will not be on Dortmund side on the finals but rather it will be on R.Madrid side.

[Issa56]

It's hard to tell if Dortmund will be capable to oppose Madrid. Imagine what they did to Bayern, Bayern leading with a goal and all of a sudden Madrid won the game.

Seriously, I never expected Real Madrid to score two goals within a short period of time. To be honest, the two clubs played well in the match, but Bayern Munich were not just lucky in the match, they tried to hold down Real Madrid, but immediately Joselu was brought into the match, then everything changed. I will say Ancelotti made the right substitution at the right time. Real Madrid will be facing Dortmund in the Champions League final, seriously, the match won’t be easy for the two clubs. With the way Real Madrid are playing, they should be able to win the Champions League this season.

[Palakka]

Yeah the chance is still there.

We shouldn't forget in the last season, Manchester City was completely humiliate any opponents, but when they face Inter in the final match, it's actually 50/50 match and Manchester City only scored one goal.

Dortmund on other hand, is really confident after they beat PSG two times. If Dortmund can get the trophy, this would be a honor to Reus.

Last season Champions League final certainly surprised us all because indeed at that time Intermilan was also underestimated by many people to be able to fight Manchester City, but as you said of course Manchester City is very difficult in scoring goals in the match and even after a long struggle, Manchester City was only able to win 1-0 to be able to win the Champions League last season,  I think when a team is able to reach the final of course they are a team that cannot be underestimated even though the performance they have may be far from that of their opponents, just like Dortmund who have been underestimated throughout the season but instead they surprised us by being able to reach the final after beating a rich team PSG.

Dortmund will meet Madrid in the final and I think the chances of both teams winning the Champions League this season are just as great, because for now they are two great teams from different leagues so they have their own characteristics and strategies to beat each other in the final later.

[Kavelj22]

Dortmund qualifications was a thing of surprise to everyone, it was psg choice not to have qualified they would have done better than what they did. But the focused point is that who is Dortmund play against in the finale.

It cannot be denied that Dortmund was in good condition and gave a strong performance during the match. But this does not explain PSG's poor performance at all, as the players did not perform well throughout the match and were ineffective in attack and weak in defense. I recently listened to the statement of the Psg coach, and it appears from his words that he was lenient with Dortmund and did not expect Psg to lose on its home field. He kept repeating that football is a “strange game,” as if he were surprised (shocked) by his team’s loss, as if victory was inevitably waiting for them.

You don’t underrate a team or player in a top notch competition like this. For the team to have getting this far in the competition, you should already be aware that the team can’t be lenient with and you have to put all your strength and best players into the match to get a victory. PSG really messed up because I never saw this coming and never expected them to be out of the competition after getting this far and been paired with Dortmund. The winner of the tournament will most likely be Real Madrid but let’s see how things will turn out since no team can be underrated again.

As a regular follower, I can expect that it is easy for a team with PSG's capabilities to win in its stadium in front of its fans. But this is not supposed to be the case for the team to be confident of winning to the point of underestimating the opponent’s abilities, and this is what can be inferred from the coach’s statement.
It is true that football is a “strange game”, as the coach described it, on the basis that victory does not always go to the team that controls the course of play, but rather the winning team is the one that scores, but this does not absolve the club’s management from responsibility, especially in important matches.

Personally, I constantly notice that PSG plays with overconfidence in most of its matches, and this is what causes it to fail in many of the strategic choices it makes. This is a personal opinion and not an objective position.

[bering]

I think that's ironic because this summer why Harry Kane was decide to moved to Bayern Munich is because he want to gets the trophies with this club but unfortunately although Kane was appears as Bayern Munich top scorer but these records seems useless because Bayern Munich have to ended this season without a single trophy and some people has starting to believe about Kane was cursed because previously in Tottenham Kane has spend a lot of time but he wasn't able to bringing Tottenham to gets the trophies and now it just happened again that at Bayern Munich he has just failed to bringing this team to advances to the final match

About the final match obviously Real Madrid would be the favourited to became an the Champion and i am sure they will have low odds but it's normal because their status as the favourite since this competition begin and i am sure most people will predict Real Madrid will be able to overcomes Dortmund later but i think it won't be easy because Dortmund too with Edin Terzic want to made a history so my prediction is this match will be very tight and hard to predicted but there was interesting fact about final match later because Bellingham will fight against his former team Dortmund

[Dzwaafu11]

With the way Real Madrid played yesterday and won the match at the dying minutes to extra time, is the same way they will put up all their seriousness on the final day to make sure that they win the trophy. PSG is not as strong as Real Madrid, and it was Dortmund fate this season that they will be playing in the finals, if not PSG played better than them but they were unlucky and that is why you see that their balls was hitting the goal post in both first and second leg of the matches. That luck will not be on Dortmund side on the finals but rather it will be on R.Madrid side.

yes. I can also say that this is a good luck to Dortmund for qualifying for the final stage of the Champions League competition. because obviously I did not see any performance in them that would give us hope that they had been here in the first place. and we all know that PSG are stronger and better than Dortmund, but this is the clear definition of anything that can change in football. Sometimes if someone said this, I aways said that it will still be based on a team performance, but at this point, I believe because Dortmund are not better than all the teams that we were hoping for them to be at this opportunity, but things went well for Dortmund, and now they will be the ones to drag the trophy with Real Madrid.

However, one of the reasons why Real Madrid are going to make this match very tough is that this is the final stage of the season, and seriously, this is a very serious match for them to win, so they will not take it easy. In fact, they can even do more than what they did yesterday to get this trophy because, at this point, Dortmund can still push and see if they can win, but I don't think so because Real Madrid are very good and have more experienced players than them. 

[entertheabyss]

It's hard to tell if Dortmund will be capable to oppose Madrid. Imagine what they did to Bayern, Bayern leading with a goal and all of a sudden Madrid won the game.

Edin Terzic will try his best but I don't think it will be enough to comprehend Carlo Ancelotti. Borrusia Dortmund can mean threat for Los Blancos at Wembley? I don't think so because Real Madrid are coming for everything. There's nothing call luck when it involves Real Madrid pattern of the game, they've always come out hitting top targets and a promising team to reach important phase in football competition. Real Madrid are the best team in the world of European football, they've proved their point on every level.

[junder]

Hopefully I'm not too late to celebrate the extraordinary victory achieved by Madrid. Real Madrid makes my betting at the casino quite enjoyable. After what happened was a drama full of pros and cons, one thing is that the club with a winning mentality has once again shown its existence. From the first half Real Madrid immediately stepped on the gas to launch attack after attack, controlling the ball very well. The second half started with a goal from Alphonso Davies apparently not succeeding in destroying the mentality of the Madrid players, in fact it only provoked their enthusiasm to become more aggressive. It was proven that the rhythm of the game did not decrease at all even though the goal was conceded. Joselu is a supersub but the effect he gives is as if he is the main striker. 2 goals in a matter of minutes, this player already knows which position to be in to receive the ball. Just look at Joselu position in the first goal, he welcomed the ball due to Neuer carelessness, then in the second goal the Bayern Munich defender didn't realize his position. Do you still think it's offside? I think it has been answered with VAR.

Hala Madrid

That match was very hot. Man, this match was crazy. I felt the tension in the final two minutes, indeed in the first half Real Madrid were superior in possession of the ball, in my opinion many of Real Madrid's attacks were wasted, with Bayern's strong defense making it difficult for Real Madrid to break into their goal, with a counter attack from Bayer Munich which was deadly enough to make them score a goal, causing Real Madrid's mentality to drop for a few moments. Until they were able to get back up in the minutes towards the end and turn things around quickly.

When we entered the last four minutes I thought Real Madrid had no chance of equalizing, but in the last two minutes with Joselu, he became a super hero in this match, Real Madrid was able to equalize and make Real Madrid regain its mentality and be able to score a goal. which more than equalizes the playing field. until Tuchel couldn't accept this and protested continuously until he got a yellow card, but this is what I think is called the Champion Mentality that Real Madrid has.

[EL MOHA]

With the way Real Madrid played yesterday and won the match at the dying minutes to extra time, is the same way they will put up all their seriousness on the final day to make sure that they win the trophy. PSG is not as strong as Real Madrid, and it was Dortmund fate this season that they will be playing in the finals, if not PSG played better than them but they were unlucky and that is why you see that their balls was hitting the goal post in both first and second leg of the matches. That luck will not be on Dortmund side on the finals but rather it will be on R.Madrid side.

Yeah Madrid were once again Real Madrid, they had their chances in the first half and couldn’t convert. Bayern last night actually played well too but not on the standard of Madrid. Tuchel to me managed that game well in the first half and before the goal but made it worse with his substitutions after the goal and madrid through the brilliant Vinicius capitalized on that.

I see you undermine that Dortmund were lucky, in as much as I will say they were they definitely had their fair share of the game in good performance. Dortmund had done their work early by scoring and you wouldn’t expect them to come out and challenge PSG toe to toe with PSG fast attack so they let them have the possession and did their bit. I don’t call that luck I call it reward for patience

[Volgastallion]

Im the only one who see the yesterday play from Neuer on the first goal of Real madrid like the Oliver Khan mistake in the Japan World Cup from 2002 where Ronaldo scores the goal to become champions of the world?

It was the same for me, a non clasic rebound given by a super top goalkeeper in a super high level competition and that goal setled the game.

[Zlantann]

Edin Terzic will try his best but I don't think it will be enough to comprehend Carlo Ancelotti. Borrusia Dortmund can mean threat for Los Blancos at Wembley? I don't think so because Real Madrid are coming for everything. There's nothing call luck when it involves Real Madrid pattern of the game, they've always come out hitting top targets and a promising team to reach important phase in football competition. Real Madrid are the best team in the world of European football, they've proved their point on every level.

Popel will always dispute the fact there is luck in sports but I think it exists. How would you explain a situation where the ball keeps hitting the post more than six times in two games? Those balls would have easily led to goals but PSG was just unfortunate. PSG was lucky to beat Barcelona and the game-changer was the red card. Barcelona would have qualified for the semi-finals if not for the lucky red card that Barca got. Borussia Dortmund can be favoured by Mother Luck and they would just win the game. Los Blancos might have the best players and coach but Die Borussen can get a goal and keep defending to the end. Real Madrid can be the best team in the world but they are not unbeatable. Manchester United was the best team in 2021 but a goal by Kai Havertz was just the difference that gave Chelsea the trophy.

[Spaceman1000$]

These games are completely different. Players have different limits and while Real Madrid would be better at playing consistently over the course of a season, anything can happen on such an evening. Odds for Dortmund to win the game are around 5.0, but it is indeed hard to believe that Dortmund can win it in regular time. But see how they eliminated Atletico Madrid and PSG and of course they will need some luck, but isn't it the same for Real Madrid? Seeing the referee taking away that goal from Bayern Munich was kind of lucky. Everyone thought they would lose that game and then Manuel Neuer makes an unbelievable mistake. It is all part of the game.

Yeah the chance is still there.

We shouldn't forget in the last season, Manchester City was completely humiliate any opponents, but when they face Inter in the final match, it's actually 50/50 match and Manchester City only scored one goal.

Dortmund on other hand, is really confident after they beat PSG two times. If Dortmund can get the trophy, this would be a honor to Reus.

With the way Real Madrid played yesterday and won the match at the dying minutes to extra time, is the same way they will put up all their seriousness on the final day to make sure that they win the trophy. PSG is not as strong as Real Madrid, and it was Dortmund fate this season that they will be playing in the finals, if not PSG played better than them but they were unlucky and that is why you see that their balls was hitting the goal post in both first and second leg of the matches. That luck will not be on Dortmund side on the finals but rather it will be on R.Madrid side.

The final between Real Madrid Vs Dortmund will be an interesting game to watch, Dortmund are very fierce with their defensive pattern of play, I don't want to see them as underdog, I'm seeing them as equal contenders with Madrid, However Real Madrid shouldn't make the mistake of looking down on them, because that will be their greatest undoing. for me i see Borussia Dortmund as more of threat than Bayern Munich given the way they play.

PSG didn't make use of the opportunities they had, both from the first leg and the second, while Dortmund were using the tiniest opportunity given to them, they struggled to maintain a one goal victory in the first leg, and PSG couldn't even make an equaliser, unfortunately for PSG they still lost 2-0 at home, with so many missed opportunities to score and equalise the game.

[slapper]

Borussia reaching the final of the Champions League is a bit of a surprise. In the first semi-final they played great. In the second match Borussia were lucky, PSG hit the bar twice and at the end of the second match they hit the crossbar twice. But I can't say that Dortmund reached the final undeservedly. Still, Borussia were very lucky in the second game, will they be as lucky in the final?

I believe the final will favor them, this is their lucky season. When they defeated Athletico Madrid I knew they would reach the final but winning Madrid is near impossible but with luck on their side they can. They have players that can punish Madrid in events of any mistakes or opportunities but Madrid and Finals is like a bolt to a nut 🔩.
It’s gonna be an interesting final

Yes, you're right; this final is going to be crazy. Like Inter Milan did last year, Dortmund has been hard to notice. It's always cool to see a team that no one thought would do well suddenly crush it and try to get to the top. But they're playing Real Madrid. There have been more Champions League games with that team than some of us have had hot dinners. Ancelotti is a great manager. I think Madrid has a clear advantage just because of that

But that's the fun of the game: anything can happen. There's a dangerous edge to Dortmund that makes them exciting: they never give up. It would be a really interesting story if they could beat Real, you know?

[Oluwa-btc]

Real Madrid made a really insane comeback in the last moments. Their general performance was also really good so I see it as a deserved win. Neuer saved a lot of shots during the game. Maybe one of the goals was due to his mistake but I can't unsee his great effort anyway. For a moment, I really thought Bayern Munich were going to reach the finale honestly.

However I can't just act like nothing happened in the last minutes. The referee made a huge mistake by not waiting for the end of the Bayern Munich attack. There wasn't any offside there as well. It is unbelievable referees are still making this kind of mistakes at this level. 

They're known for that season after season in the Champions League Competition. Yet again another German side to face in the Champions League finals, it will definitely be a tough one.
Seeing them face Borrussia Dortmund reminds me of Robert Lewandoski and Jurgen Klopp from way back as they knocked out Real Madrid to face Bayern Munich in that year Champions League finals.

The shot stopper had a good game saves from both Rodrygo and Vinicius Junior as he denied them several occasions during the game last night.
I see too many expectations was for Real Madrid to lose at home.

Thomas Tuchel and his tactics failed him anyways, he substituted Sane and Harry Kane. That was no good idea, truly! I could see the pains from Harry Kane. Hopefully, he gets a good one from the upcoming Euro's Competition.

[CryptoBuds]

Borussia reaching the final of the Champions League is a bit of a surprise. In the first semi-final they played great. In the second match Borussia were lucky, PSG hit the bar twice and at the end of the second match they hit the crossbar twice. But I can't say that Dortmund reached the final undeservedly. Still, Borussia were very lucky in the second game, will they be as lucky in the final?

I believe the final will favor them, this is their lucky season. When they defeated Athletico Madrid I knew they would reach the final but winning Madrid is near impossible but with luck on their side they can. They have players that can punish Madrid in events of any mistakes or opportunities but Madrid and Finals is like a bolt to a nut 🔩.
It’s gonna be an interesting final

Yes, you're right; this final is going to be crazy. Like Inter Milan did last year, Dortmund has been hard to notice. It's always cool to see a team that no one thought would do well suddenly crush it and try to get to the top. But they're playing Real Madrid. There have been more Champions League games with that team than some of us have had hot dinners. Ancelotti is a great manager. I think Madrid has a clear advantage just because of that

But that's the fun of the game: anything can happen. There's a dangerous edge to Dortmund that makes them exciting: they never give up. It would be a really interesting story if they could beat Real, you know?

Real Madrid are undoubtedly favorites for the final. Because Real Madrid is the most experienced team on the Champions League platform. And this team's performance is consistently good. Madrid played very well in both matches against Bayern Munich. And it's unbelievable that Madrid made such a great comeback in the last minute of the match.

But the Dortmund team's performance also surprised us. No one can imagine that the Dortmund team can qualify for the final in this year's Champions League. However, Dortmund qualified for the final by beating PSG. There is no way to underestimate this team.

I think Dortmund's main strength is their defence. A strong defense helped Dortmund qualify for the final. So I don't think it will be easy for Madrid to break Dortmund's defense either.

[skarais]

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Thomas Tuchel and his tactics failed him anyways, he substituted Sane and Harry Kane. That was no good idea, truly! I could see the pains from Harry Kane. Hopefully, he gets a good one from the upcoming Euro's Competition.

On the other hand, this is a curse for Kane who has never experienced how great a title celebration can be in his career so far. Luck is always not on his side which has been proven in two different teams. Harry Kane never won a title with Tottenham, but he is the top scorer in the Premier League with Tottenham. This season Harry Kane also failed to win the title with Bayern Munich, he was the top scorer.

I don't know exactly what to say to him, especially about the failure of the team he plays for to win the title. Tottenham is less competitive than many other strong teams in the Premier League, but Bayern Munich is the team that dominates the title but this season they failed to win the title. It's strange, but that's the reality.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Tuchel can complain all he wants but he made terrible substitutions. To start switching to a full on defensive play with 15 minutes to go is forgivable, but making those changes and taking off your most dangerous front men who can relieve pressure and hit on the break behind the spaces Madrid would have left was a terrible call. That decision left him stranded for the first goal, cause they were playing with 10 men and he couldn't take off Pavlovic who was the last creative hub in the team.

Madrid took the lead in stoppage time and did not make close to the defensive switches Bayern made with quarter of an hour to play. That being said the referee definitely made a wrong call there and in letting the match go on for so long.

- Jay -

It's true that that's what Tuchel didn't realize, he kept babbling and it was as if they were being cheated by the referee but he himself why is it too early to replace important players? Sane, Kane and Musiala clearly had a very influential contribution on the front lines and continued to play until the end. Tuchel instead included Kim Min Jae and Choupo-moting, so apart from the controversy over the second goal, everything could not be separated from the coach blunder. Because for Madrid, playing until the last drop of blood is normal. This is where Ancelotti ingenuity saw an opportunity after Bayern Munich's substitution, Tuchel automatically wanted to play defensively. Tuchel forgot that Madrid has the ultimate weapon when facing crucial minutes. After Joselu second goal, how mentally devastated the Bayern Munich players were even Neuer himself seemed to have given up.

Yes, I think even though everybody agrees that the referee might have made a very big mistake, the decisions that the Bayern Munich coach has taken were definitely not really smart. He put on the worst players that he could find at a very crucial time. He really substituted Kane out for Choupo Moting. I did not understand that decision at all. I thought in general he would like to have the best players that you have on the field when it counts. Maybe he actually thought that they were going to win the match and that’s why wanted to Sub them off and maybe save them for another day.

But he should realize that Real Madrid is a team that plays till the end of the match. Unless the referee has blown the final whistle, they keep playing. Of course, the decisions from the referee have been a little questionable. But that does not disregard the fact that his decision-making was really poor. If this was any other coach I think it could have been a very different result for Bayern Munich. And another thing that a lot of people are not talking about is the mistake from Neuer.

[Jaycoinz]

It's hard to tell if Dortmund will be capable to oppose Madrid. Imagine what they did to Bayern, Bayern leading with a goal and all of a sudden Madrid won the game.

Seriously, I never expected Real Madrid to score two goals within a short period of time. To be honest, the two clubs played well in the match, but Bayern Munich were not just lucky in the match, they tried to hold down Real Madrid, but immediately Joselu was brought into the match, then everything changed. I will say Ancelotti made the right substitution at the right time. Real Madrid will be facing Dortmund in the Champions League final, seriously, the match won’t be easy for the two clubs. With the way Real Madrid are playing, they should be able to win the Champions League this season.

I think tuchel actually made the error when he taught he could hold Real Madrid off by making that substitution in the game where he removed Harry Kane and brought in defensive players to try contain the pressure. Real Madrid are a side that doesn't relent when it comes to haunting for goals and they did that very well when the substitute joselu came in the game.

[Moreno233]

Im the only one who see the yesterday play from Neuer on the first goal of Real madrid like the Oliver Khan mistake in the Japan World Cup from 2002 where Ronaldo scores the goal to become champions of the world?

That goal was a very big flop on the side of Neuer. Without such mistake, Real Madrid wouldn't have won the match, I know Neuer must have been regretting his inability to at least push the ball to the side if he can't catch it at once. That would have been the reasonable thing to do since he was very close to Joselu and any mistake could be expensive. This was his mistake that cost them the final.

It was the same for me, a non clasic rebound given by a super top goalkeeper in a super high level competition and that goal setled the game.

I love how Real Madrid never gives up even when it looks like they would lose the match. It will be a big showdown with Borussia Dortmund at the final.