Quote prices in Bitcoin or Satoshi

[Jet Cash]

I'm having trouble with deciding how to quote prices in Bitcoin. It's OK for domains, as I'm currently negotiating one sale for BTC 0.2. However, I want to start selling classic car parts, and I'm setting up a shopping site. So how do I quote a price for an itedm which is ( say ) £10. The current Bitcoin price would be 0.0005032273226268366 and Satoshi would be 50560.637930455334 ( prices taken from Coinbase, and may indicate price movement whilst I am posting ). Obviously I can round the amounts, and I would quote 50560 Satoshi, but that could frighten a buyer. The Bitcoin price of 0.0005 looks more manageable, but will probably confuse the buyer. Another alternative would be to quote the price in Sterling, and include a link to a conversion site such as coinbase or XE. Do any of you guys list low cost items in Bitcoin?

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Actually, both conversions into fiat are easy for every old Bitcoiner to know how to do, but in consideration of a new Bitcoiner who is not yet accustomed to the system, quoting in Bitcoin would be more familiar and can be a very easy thing to do. For me, I quote my price in Bitcoin, and for someone who doesn't know what the value would be in fiat, I would just ask them to multiply the price quote in Bitcoin by the current price of Bitcoin. Let's say someone wants to buy one piece of my future, which I decided to sell for 0.0012 BTC. I would just ask them to multiply BTC0.012 x $25600 = $307, which will give them the price in fiat. The reason why I quote in Bitcoin is also because most people don't know that Satoshi is also referred to as the smallest denomination of Bitcoin; they only thought that Satoshi is mostly referred only as the author of Bitcoin.

Some customers might even ask a dumb question like, "Why do you write 500,000 Satoshi? I thought Satoshi was the father of Bitcoin?" (just saying). Most of my customers do ask some dumb questions, but I can't blame them because they don't know, and that's why they would ask.

[Wapfika]

Using Satoshi unit is a pain in the ass for buyers because it usually shows large figure while most people preferred lower digit when buying things for easy understanding on price. BTC and mbtc is the best unit if you want to use on selling items online because it’s the most common units used by crypto services like exchange and gambling sites.

I’ve done purchasing couple of items on a merchant that use by forum users here on marketplace. Using BTC will make it easy for buyers to understand the price instantly or do the conversion feature in fiat.

[BIT-BENDER]

Good luck on your investment I believe it is going to be a very productive one, also I would not like to get you wrong. And I believe what you meant is that you are trying to place your price at £10 but you want to place it in Bitcoin.

If that's the case then it's a bit complicated and still very simple in my own opinion, it's complicated in the sense that the Bitcoin price is very volatile and unstable. I believe you can place your price tag as £10 in the current value of Bitcoin.

[Lucius]

@bitmover is one of the members who could help you with this since he has already created some useful tools that you can check out on his website -> https://bitcoindata.science/

[tbct_mt2]

You can use three main units for Bitcoin: Bitcoin, satoshi and milibitcoin (mBTC). I believe these three units are enough for you to use from big to small values of your items because with these units, we will have two extremes (biggest, smallest units and one unit in the middle).

1 mili-bitcoin = 0.001 BTC and this unit is a good unit in between bitcoin and satoshi units.

[Did you know?] Bitcoin Table of Units

[_act_]

Using BTC or mBTC is better than using sat.

Another alternative would be to quote the price in Sterling, and include a link to a conversion site such as coinbase or XE. Do any of you guys list low cost items in Bitcoin?

This is a very good idea, estimating the price in Sterling and if the person wants to pay in bitcoin, he can click on the item to see the price in both BTC and Sterling.

Do any of you guys list low cost items in Bitcoin?

You have the option to pay in Sterling, that should not be a problem because using bitcoin is just an alternative. You can also include lightning network payment if you can do that, this will encourage paying low price products in bitcoin.

[Jet Cash]

Thanks _act_ I forgot about lightning
It makes sense to offer that for lower value items.

[bitmover]

I'm having trouble with deciding how to quote prices in Bitcoin. It's OK for domains, as I'm currently negotiating one sale for BTC 0.2. However, I want to start selling classic car parts, and I'm setting up a shopping site. So how do I quote a price for an itedm which is ( say ) £10. The current Bitcoin price would be 0.0005032273226268366 and Satoshi would be 50560.637930455334 ( prices taken from Coinbase, and may indicate price movement whilst I am posting ). Obviously I can round the amounts, and I would quote 50560 Satoshi, but that could frighten a buyer. The Bitcoin price of 0.0005 looks more manageable, but will probably confuse the buyer. Another alternative would be to quote the price in Sterling, and include a link to a conversion site such as coinbase or XE. Do any of you guys list low cost items in Bitcoin?

You can use my API. I just added the endpoint which does exactly as you said.

10 GBP =

Code:

https://bitcoindata.science/api/fiattobtc.php?fiatamount=10&currency=GBP

Docs here. There are a few other options which might be useful for you:
https://bitcoindata.science/bitcointalk-api.html

[m2017]

I'm having trouble with deciding how to quote prices in Bitcoin. It's OK for domains, as I'm currently negotiating one sale for BTC 0.2. However, I want to start selling classic car parts, and I'm setting up a shopping site. So how do I quote a price for an itedm which is ( say ) £10. The current Bitcoin price would be 0.0005032273226268366 and Satoshi would be 50560.637930455334 ( prices taken from Coinbase, and may indicate price movement whilst I am posting ). Obviously I can round the amounts, and I would quote 50560 Satoshi, but that could frighten a buyer. The Bitcoin price of 0.0005 looks more manageable, but will probably confuse the buyer. Another alternative would be to quote the price in Sterling, and include a link to a conversion site such as coinbase or XE. Do any of you guys list low cost items in Bitcoin?

If you create a trading site yourself, then you should not have any problems in which currency to indicate the price. Why choose between the two when you can combine them? I would prefer that next to classic auto parts I could see the price in $ (the choice depends on the market you are targeting. If internal, then £, if external, then $ is preferable) and BTC (bitcoin is more rumored than satoshi and looks not so repulsive to the buyer) at the same time. This will allow covering 2 categories of buyers at once: both beginners and old bitcoiners. If the technical possibilities for implementation allow, then the option when the price is indicated in $, the price is converted into BTC at the same time and displayed next to it, looks more interesting.

[DeathAngel]

2015 adopter here & I still can’t get my head around denominating in sats. I much prefer to just say 0.3BTC for example rather than 30,000,000 satoshi.

I know as time goes on & bitcoin becomes worth more & more (relative to fiat) that people will increasingly use satoshis rather than 0.3BTC for example but I don’t like it.

I suppose I will have to move with the times but for now I will stick to what I use.

[pooya87]

Why choose between one or the other? Why not use both?
We still live in a fiat dominated world and goods are priced in fiat. So your website should show the prices in terms of fiat (which is more stable too) and then include the conversion to bitcoin on the side. In addition you can provide the option to switch to a different representation of the value in bitcoin, satoshi, mili/micro satoshi, etc. So the customer can see the prices in what they feel more comfortable with because no matter what option you choose, some people will like it and some won't so it is better to have more options.
The choice could also be stored in their account (assuming they make an account to purchase) or in a browser cookie if they don't so that it could be reapplied in future visits.

[franky1]

totally forgot about bitmovers api £10=

had to put 'img' tabs and also _sub it to make it look right on forum. but still useful.

only issue is that when it gets added to shopping basket the total would need to be locked for ~an hour to honour the purchase at the seen price or that would annoy customers to see the price change every X minutes.
where jetcash would have to take a hit on any variance during that time

but seeing as a full btc is $20,400-$20,800 today with a range (2%) most days.. equates to a £10.20p -£10.40p variance. its only % difference he has to manage profits or losses from..  so could just charge £12 to cover variance and also tx fee to ensure he receives £10 of value

at this moment
most btc wallets still measure in BTC not sat.. and so confusing a customer with sat whilst their wallet shows BTC is not helpful.. untill most wallets default to sat its best to stick with btc measures. just to not confuse customers whom may accidently not put the right number of decimals in when trying to convert from sat to btc if they see sat prices on websites
EG end up trying to pay 50000btc thinking a sat or btc are the same thing

[Jet Cash]

I've made some progress on this. I've installed Cube Cart on an experimental domain, and I can list in Sterling or Bitcoin. It does the conversion for me based on a value that I've loaded via the admin panel. This is not so good given the volatility of Bitcoin. I think the answer is to quote in Bitcoin as the default, and state that Sterling prices are just a guide, and contact me for the current Sterling price. As the main purpose of the site is to generate traffic, the price may not be as important for me as it would be for a normal shop. I don't really care if I don't make any sales.

I haven't  worked out how to install the Bitcoin symbol yet as the ISO 4217 currency code is XBT, and most Bitcoiners use BTC. BTC can't be used because it starts with BT which is the code for Bhutan ( which doesn't use BTC ). I gather the Bitcoin Foundation is trying to remedy this. I'll also need to include an explanation of Bitcoin, and thus I will need to develop my Bitcoin Uncovered site thatg I've been talking about for years.

[tabas]

I am more used to the usage of decimals/Bitcoin than using the satoshi term in pricing. But whatever you're used to and just always quote the other one so you get to show both prices in both terms and pricing. And running that experiment on that domain, you'll see on how the traffic is reacting to the prices and how they will address it to you. I think you can take time until a month or two and see how demand goes and what they're addressing and which is more usable for your visitors.

[buwaytress]

I guess the option I always go for is using "mBTC". I used to think it wouldn't make sense but apparently sites are good enough (or Google) to easily translate for people what mBTC means. Bitcoin's been at a nice enough value for the past 4/5 years that 1 mbtc plus some decimals seem to be adequate.

I know people aren't fans of mBTC (and I wasn't initially)...

[LoyceV]

The current Bitcoin price would be 0.0005032273226268366 and Satoshi would be 50560.637930455334

What's the point of so many decimals?

I would quote 50560 Satoshi, but that could frighten a buyer. The Bitcoin price of 0.0005 looks more manageable, but will probably confuse the buyer.

If this confuses the buyer, they probably shouldn't be using Bitcoin

My personal preference: 0.5056 mBTC. I've liked this ever since I started with Bitcoin (1mBTC was about $0.20 at the time), and for years it's Electrum's default. It's the closest value to a dollar/euro/pound, and in most cases prevents having to count zeros.

Another alternative would be to quote the price in Sterling, and include a link to a conversion site such as coinbase or XE. Do any of you guys list low cost items in Bitcoin?

That's what most websites do, but for those websites, Bitcoin is just one of many payment options. If you only accept Bitcoin, you could just as well show the Bitcoin price.

I know people aren't fans of mBTC

Is that an American thing? Here, SI-units are pretty much standard for anything (mg, ml, mm, mmol, mBTC).

[Jet Cash]

I can't really use mBTC because these carts seem to want you to use ISO codes, and Bitcoin is confusing enough for the uninitiated. I've got the cart switching quite freely now that I've got the conversion rate round the correct way. I had one item listed for XBT 34,950 which would be great if somebody would pay that. Unfortunately it isn't a box of pizzas. Things look really cheap when you see the price is 0.00034950.

[tbct_mt2]

I had one item listed for XBT 34,950 which would be great if somebody would pay that.

Things look really cheap when you see the price is 0.00034950.

If you can display price in two units like fiat currency value and in any of Bitcoin value (BTC, mBTC, satoshi), it will help the buyers a lot.

Like you want to sell an item at $50 in fiat currency, you can add an equivalent amount in either BTC, mBTC or satoshi. It depends on technical settings at the site to display it and it is your barrier and restrict your choices.

You can set up that item price in one fixed unit such as its will be always at $50 and the equivalent BTC, mBTC, satoshi will be changed and updated with Bitcoin price.

[buwaytress]

I know people aren't fans of mBTC

Is that an American thing? Here, SI-units are pretty much standard for anything (mg, ml, mm, mmol, mBTC).

I never thought of it that way, but that could be it now that you mention it! I'm almost 100% SI-arranged. cm, mm, m, km. Back "home" we have completely different units (which is slowly phasing out anyway) which I had to get used to but never made sense even as a child. grams and metres for me, so maybe that's why mBTCs always made sense in my head

[SmartGold01]

I know people already given some suggestion that would suit the best but have you also though of leaving the price in Dollars value, then can you include more payment options. That is to say, anyone who clicks to pay with bitcoin automatically gets the equivalents in bitcoin to pay, let say an item is sold for $100 (USD) and you includes about 2 to 3 payment options. Those who wishes to pay with their card may pays directly with it, while those who wishes to pay with bitcoin get price automatically displayed on address below the QR scan code to generate ~BTC0.0038, then anyone who is paying knows that they are paying directly the exact value generate from the site instead of them having to do some conversion or having to include some bitcoin charts, same can be implemented to other cryptocurrencies maybe if you had any plan to include them in future. Please do not see my post as someone who is spamming maybe if you think the information gotten above are enough for you then skip only just trying to throw little light. We are in world were people don't like stress or much task to get what they want, and I believe the site is open for all countries.

[Jet Cash]

Thanks for the suggestion SmartGold, but I refuse to accept or list US dollars. It is no longer the world currency, and this was caused by Washinton weaponising it, and destroying the US economy with reckless spending and debt. I'd rather use gold as a non-volatile base, but I suspect that gold will appreciate over the next few years. Bitcoin seems to be the best bet for a base currency, and, as I am in the UK, then I need to include Sterling. The old British Empire that arose from the Knights Templar has morphed into the current globalist elite that controls Washington, Westminster and the EU amongst others. This will result in their currencies being combined at some stage, but this may not be in my lifetime. In the meantime, I have to live with the currenct changes to our economies. I will be able to introduce a UK or European CBDC when it arrives, but I still want to use Bitcoin as the central yardstick. ( and I won't be calling it a metrestick - I'm such a non-woke Luddite ).

[Blitzboy]

Indeed, its a classic catch-22! Satoshi prices can be overwhelming for novices, and fractional Bitcoin prices? With an excess of decimal places, its a recipe for confusion

But, as pioneers, we must make Bitcoin transactions commonplace, not evade them. Cryptocurrency is a bold change, laden with opportunities. Whats the game plan? Showcase prices in both fiat and Bitcoin. The former serves as a reference; the latter fosters adoption. Simplify Bitcoin prices, note potential swings, and remember, transformative shifts like the Bitcoin economy take time!

[DaveF]

Most places that do cash & crypto do BTC
However, if you are using LN it is usually displayed in sats

There are obviously some exceptions, but for the most part that is at least why I have been seeing.
Personally I don't care that much, either way works for me.
But this IMO is important, make sure you are using a fair and public conversion rate that people can verify.

Seeing $10 = 0.0003766 is fine. But if I can't verify you conversion rate or it's far from the large well known sites you are going to have issues.
bitmovers is a perfect example of how to do it.

-Dave

[Jet Cash]

Thanks for all the replies and advice. I guess it is time for an update.

The objective is to create a site that supports my initiative to save old and classic cars, and to encourage people to keep their existing cars for longer. This will be a massive help to the environment, as manufacturing and distributing an average car produces more pollution and environmental damage that is created during it lifetime of use. This site will proivide a source for spare parts anbd recoverable vehicles, and link to articles and videos to help users maintain their vehicles. This domain is just one in a collection that I am constructing. I want to include Bitcoin, and information on Bitcoin, as I believe that Bitcoin is a major asset for people who decide to live on the fringe of the dystopia that is being created at the moment.

Creating a website from scratch has become impractical as a result of the wide range of viewing devices. In my opinion, it is better to use a template or a CMS to speed up the creation. Shopping cart sites are quite complex now, and are geared towards retailers using PP and credit cards, neither of those are suitable for me. Another problem is that in most cases only one item will be available. Also, I wanbt to build a list of sold items for reference. I looked at several shopping carts, and CubeCart seems to be the best for my purposes, and I've been experimenting with it over the last few days. This includes adding Bitcoin payments. I decided it was simplest to add products with a Sterling price, and allow users to convert to Bitcoin using the currency button at the top of the page. If you are interested in the initial site, then here is the link -
The Shop at Save old Cars
Please bear in mind that this is very early in the development of the site, and I am still considering  how to optimise the layout. I will add some images faily soon, as the current ones are the stock images that came with the installation.

I'd be interested in any comments, rude or otherwise. Especially in relation to the handling of Bitcoin payments. I will need to add a descriptive page, and explain the the quoted Bitcoin price is for guidance only. I'd also be interested in hearing the experiences of any members who have implemented a marketing cart with Bitcoin pricing.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I'm having trouble with deciding how to quote prices in Bitcoin. It's OK for domains, as I'm currently negotiating one sale for BTC 0.2. However, I want to start selling classic car parts, and I'm setting up a shopping site. So how do I quote a price for an itedm which is ( say ) £10. The current Bitcoin price would be 0.0005032273226268366 and Satoshi would be 50560.637930455334 ( prices taken from Coinbase, and may indicate price movement whilst I am posting ). Obviously I can round the amounts, and I would quote 50560 Satoshi, but that could frighten a buyer. The Bitcoin price of 0.0005 looks more manageable, but will probably confuse the buyer. Another alternative would be to quote the price in Sterling, and include a link to a conversion site such as coinbase or XE. Do any of you guys list low cost items in Bitcoin?

I personally think that your best bet is to quote every item in dollars, or euro, or pounds, which ever is your native currency and one you believe is the native currency of your most targeted customers, and not without an inscription that bitcoin is the only acceptable mode of payment, this is if bitcoin is actually the only mode of payment you want to be accepting, customers can then select items they wish to purchase, and on check out, you implement a system that checks and convert the total sum to be paid to bitcoin, and an address displayed for the customer to send the exact specified amount of bitcoin to...

This is simple, and won't confuse customers I believe.
You can also integrate a currency tab, where customers have the liberty to switch to which ever currency they wish to view items on the site in, this is an added advantage to your store.