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June 24, 2023, 06:23:46 AM
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related to this problem, in fact how it works not only in casino bankrolls but other methods by paying gamblers who win big at the loss of other gamblers.

maybe it can happen in slot games, but if it's sports betting, all players can win. I don't think the casino can control the result of a sports game
have you forgotten that all favorite teams can lose?
if we say that all players can win but we should be able to see from the back side that there are also gamblers who bet on the favorite team with a large amount and lose like the case of someone who bets on the underdog team with a bet amount of $ 1 million but the result is the underdog team loses. from this incident we can calculate the number of people who lost with the lucky ones choosing the opposing team.
so from this we can see that not only casino games but sports betting can be used to pay players who win big so as not to drain the bankroll too much.

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June 24, 2023, 07:01:04 AM
 #122

This scenario is very hard to happen and very hard to imagine that it would actually happen,
For the big casinos, this is unlikely. But in the new and middle term of their operation, this is possible.

I mean it's not totally impossible in a certain way but given the fact that the casino got a vast amount of money on their stash also mean that it's kind of almost impossible to do because that player/gambler will have to accumulate all the existing and remaining luck in the world in-order to get a very massive win and make a casino file for a bankruptcy.
Yeah, this is a business that the management will determine it these incidents are likely to happen. They've got a lot of money ready to be deployed if ever they ran out of it and someone wins big at unexpected time. They've got ways of controlling winning players like discouraging them and limiting their wagers.

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June 24, 2023, 07:31:23 AM
 #123

~snip~ Actually playing in a small casino is very risky and cannot give us pleasure because the games offered are not too many, but from my experience playing in a small casino is easier to win than playing in a big casino.

Only professional gamblers are really lucky to be able to get really big wins.

Yes, I agree with you, I feel the same way, when playing on a new site or a small site, it's easier to get bigwin. Besides that, when we just register on the gambling site, it's also quite easy to get bigwin. If we have registered on a site for a long time, there will definitely be many lose, even in slot games when getting freespins it is always empty

This happens because casino managers want you to become their loyal customer when at the beginning you can get a lot of wins and when it's been a while the casino will take over the profits with you experiencing frequent losses.
This will make you curious and keep depositing some money to play there and when you are really lucky to get a really big win then you lose all your winnings because they don't pay what should be yours.

Not all small and new casinos are like this but most of them are and there are plenty of cases out there.

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June 24, 2023, 12:48:48 PM
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But suppose there is a new casino, and there are some players who are very good at playing, so they can win continuously, can the casino go bankrupt? or do they already have an algorithm or a way so players can't keep winning?
The casino is a company, and to build a company should have management and figuring assets by professionals. That is bad management if the Company goes bankrupt after a player won a big cash, what employer did? and is the operator sleeping?, Damn, I never hear that a new company/casino goes to bankrupt after a player won, I often hear about a new casino with bad management stealing customer money. So if you want to build a casino, you should have prepared 2 points; big capital and good human Resources management.
Your keen observation underscores that a casino is more than a playground of chance; it's a complex enterprise requiring shrewd leadership and significant funding. The glistening facade of the gambling world often masks this truth. Success hinges on strategic vision, solid fiscal planning, and adroit management.

Contrary to popular belief, substantial player wins don't precipitate casino insolvency - the house edge nearly assures profitability. Instead, poor foresight, ill-judged investments, or possible deceitful conduct usher a casino's demise.

And yes, top-tier human resource management is paramount. A competent, professional team ensures seamless operations, regulatory adherence, and stellar customer service, encouraging customer loyalty and return patronage.

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June 24, 2023, 01:07:49 PM
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But suppose there is a new casino, and there are some players who are very good at playing, so they can win continuously, can the casino go bankrupt? or do they already have an algorithm or a way so players can't keep winning?
The casino is a company, and to build a company should have management and figuring assets by professionals. That is bad management if the Company goes bankrupt after a player won a big cash, what employer did? and is the operator sleeping?, Damn, I never hear that a new company/casino goes to bankrupt after a player won, I often hear about a new casino with bad management stealing customer money. So if you want to build a casino, you should have prepared 2 points; big capital and good human Resources management.
Your keen observation underscores that a casino is more than a playground of chance; it's a complex enterprise requiring shrewd leadership and significant funding. The glistening facade of the gambling world often masks this truth. Success hinges on strategic vision, solid fiscal planning, and adroit management...~snip~

Yes I agree with you. It seems I forgot something. The casino has a corporate structure with multiple complex divisions. Perhaps managing a casino is as complicated as managing a bank, because they both handle money.

Casinos must have very strong sources of funding so that they can always pay out players winnings, That is the casino's best way to have solid trust. Just like a bank that must be able to cover the credit of each creditor. Apart from that, the promotion and marketing side must also be reliable, so that there are always people playing at the casino. I think casinos are just like any other company, and every company will go bankrupt not because of customers, but because none of the customers come.

Maybe if a casino goes bankrupt, it's because of bad management. It seems that the casino will not go bankrupt because of the players' winnings

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June 24, 2023, 05:50:15 PM
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I mean it's not totally impossible in a certain way but given the fact that the casino got a vast amount of money on their stash also mean that it's kind of almost impossible to do because that player/gambler will have to accumulate all the existing and remaining luck in the world in-order to get a very massive win and make a casino file for a bankruptcy.
Yeah, this is a business that the management will determine it these incidents are likely to happen. They've got a lot of money ready to be deployed if ever they ran out of it and someone wins big at unexpected time. They've got ways of controlling winning players like discouraging them and limiting their wagers.
So the casino does have the power to control players, so they can't always win big. Perhaps, only a few players can get big wins, but others will suffer big losses. A casino that owns its business will not allow all of its members to win big. And if a player who wins big doesn't stop playing, then that big win might turn into a big loss, so that will eliminate the money they won before. Even so, casinos still have the opportunity to go bankrupt because of their players' winnings.

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June 24, 2023, 07:25:48 PM
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I mean it's not totally impossible in a certain way but given the fact that the casino got a vast amount of money on their stash also mean that it's kind of almost impossible to do because that player/gambler will have to accumulate all the existing and remaining luck in the world in-order to get a very massive win and make a casino file for a bankruptcy.
Yeah, this is a business that the management will determine it these incidents are likely to happen. They've got a lot of money ready to be deployed if ever they ran out of it and someone wins big at unexpected time. They've got ways of controlling winning players like discouraging them and limiting their wagers.
So the casino does have the power to control players, so they can't always win big. Perhaps, only a few players can get big wins, but others will suffer big losses. A casino that owns its business will not allow all of its members to win big. And if a player who wins big doesn't stop playing, then that big win might turn into a big loss, so that will eliminate the money they won before. Even so, casinos still have the opportunity to go bankrupt because of their players' winnings.
The short story is that every casino nowadays has the right to limit the amount of customer bets and usually it will be written in every game that the customer will play.
So that the casino system already has an algorithm that is suitable for gamblers to never win more than the money the casino or bankroll has.
I think it's pretty clear that no casino will ever go bankrupt because of its customers.

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June 24, 2023, 07:34:00 PM
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Is it possible for a casino to go bankrupt because a player gets a very big win?

I think maybe that's hard to happen if we look at casinos that are already big and well known. But suppose there is a new casino, and there are some players who are very good at playing, so they can win continuously, can the casino go bankrupt? or do they already have an algorithm or a way so players can't keep winning?
Yes, it can happen and FYI not just a new casino even the oldest casino may suffer due to big wins and few of them also closed too even after once they were at one of the most preferred site for crypto Gambling so owning the casino has also risk but the odds of happening depends on the management of the site. Let's assume that a player wins a huge amount of money, it can definitely affect the casino's finances and lead to bankruptcy if the casino doesn't have enough money to cover the winnings. However, most well-established casinos have measures in place to prevent such a scenario. Here are some ways that casinos protect themselves from big losses due to player wins:

- House edge: Casinos make sure that they always have an edge over the player in the long run. This means that even if a player wins big in the short term, the casino will still make a profit in the long run. The house edge varies from game to game, but it's always in the casino's favor.

- Betting limits: Casinos often have limits on the amount that a player can bet on a single game. This helps to prevent players from winning too much money in one go.










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June 24, 2023, 07:40:56 PM
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Is it possible for a casino to go bankrupt because a player gets a very big win?

I think maybe that's hard to happen if we look at casinos that are already big and well known. But suppose there is a new casino, and there are some players who are very good at playing, so they can win continuously, can the casino go bankrupt? or do they already have an algorithm or a way so players can't keep winning?
I don't think this can ever happen. Wagers from gamblers are not the only ways that casinos make money. There are other ways casinos make money that is in their business model. Some land based casinos have bars, lodging facilities, and other things attached. Therefore, no matter how much a wining a gambler makes, they'll make payment comfortably. This is however not for very small casinos without investors. Small casinos may not be able to handle large winnings. It may not bankrupt them but it would have grave consequence on the business.
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June 24, 2023, 08:41:43 PM
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I mean it's not totally impossible in a certain way but given the fact that the casino got a vast amount of money on their stash also mean that it's kind of almost impossible to do because that player/gambler will have to accumulate all the existing and remaining luck in the world in-order to get a very massive win and make a casino file for a bankruptcy.
Yeah, this is a business that the management will determine it these incidents are likely to happen. They've got a lot of money ready to be deployed if ever they ran out of it and someone wins big at unexpected time. They've got ways of controlling winning players like discouraging them and limiting their wagers.
So the casino does have the power to control players, so they can't always win big. Perhaps, only a few players can get big wins, but others will suffer big losses.

I think the only power the casino has is the bet size that they can allow in their casino platform.  I do not think the casino has the power to control players since players have their own free will whether they will agree on the casino's implementation or not.  Player can always quit and not return to the casino if they find them unreasonable.

A casino that owns its business will not allow all of its members to win big. And if a player who wins big doesn't stop playing, then that big win might turn into a big loss, so that will eliminate the money they won before. Even so, casinos still have the opportunity to go bankrupt because of their players' winnings.

I disagree, the casino don't have control whether their player will win big or not.  It is not up to them since gambling result is random.  If they manipulate the bet size and other features of the game, then it can backfire to them and players may find them not trustworthy.  So instead of saving the casino from bankruptcy, it may become the cause of the downfall of the casino because players are migrating to competitors.

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June 24, 2023, 08:53:08 PM
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Is it possible for a casino to go bankrupt because a player gets a very big win?

I think maybe that's hard to happen if we look at casinos that are already big and well known. But suppose there is a new casino, and there are some players who are very good at playing, so they can win continuously, can the casino go bankrupt? or do they already have an algorithm or a way so players can't keep winning?
I don't think this can ever happen. Wagers from gamblers are not the only ways that casinos make money. There are other ways casinos make money that is in their business model. Some land based casinos have bars, lodging facilities, and other things attached. Therefore, no matter how much a wining a gambler makes, they'll make payment comfortably. This is however not for very small casinos without investors. Small casinos may not be able to handle large winnings. It may not bankrupt them but it would have grave consequence on the business.
Speaking about land based casinos then this is actually true on which there are other ways or sources on which they could make out some revenue but not really that much or as fast comparing if its really into those games  been offered. When there's someone who do able to make some huge winning then its really that a huge loss for them because we know that it would really be taking a huge slice on their profit or revenue
but casino owners are really that confident that they could be able to break even or getting it back over time considering that casino do always  win in the end. They do have the advantage most of the time
on which if ever they have been able to recently won by some players but gradually it would really be able to take it back and this is something a very common cycle that could really be having
on a gambling business, same goes into those online ones too.

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June 24, 2023, 11:39:54 PM
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But suppose there is a new casino, and there are some players who are very good at playing, so they can win continuously, can the casino go bankrupt? or do they already have an algorithm or a way so players can't keep winning?
The casino is a company, and to build a company should have management and figuring assets by professionals. That is bad management if the Company goes bankrupt after a player won a big cash, what employer did? and is the operator sleeping?, Damn, I never hear that a new company/casino goes to bankrupt after a player won, I often hear about a new casino with bad management stealing customer money. So if you want to build a casino, you should have prepared 2 points; big capital and good human Resources management.

Yep, at least one of the factors is the criteria as you said. So, we're in agreement. in fact, to build a casino is not easy, even though the casino is online-based. there are many mechanisms that must be known before building a casino, at least the earliest is sound logistics. if a developer does not have healthy capital, they will find it difficult to build their site to further develop. so ideally developers who don't have adequate funds, they will first look for investors to build their gambling sites. not to mention the license issue, at least the license issue will also cost a lot of money. not to mention to recruit workers who handle their respective fields.

At least if the casino is built professionally, it is unlikely that they will go bankrupt. except, problems with local law enforcement.
As for casinos that go bankrupt, chances are that they are handled by amateurs and bad management. so that in the end, they went bankrupt. but in fact, we rarely hear that there are casinos that go bankrupt. moreover, because there are users who win big bets.

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June 24, 2023, 11:50:54 PM
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But suppose there is a new casino, and there are some players who are very good at playing, so they can win continuously, can the casino go bankrupt? or do they already have an algorithm or a way so players can't keep winning?
The casino is a company, and to build a company should have management and figuring assets by professionals. That is bad management if the Company goes bankrupt after a player won a big cash, what employer did? and is the operator sleeping?, Damn, I never hear that a new company/casino goes to bankrupt after a player won, I often hear about a new casino with bad management stealing customer money. So if you want to build a casino, you should have prepared 2 points; big capital and good human Resources management.

I also agree that it is the risk management team's fault that a gambling casino goes bankrupt if there is an unusual turn of event that happen like a series of huge wins, but there are incidents where the casino got a series of unexpected big wins that can empty out their bankroll and we can't blame the management team.
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So if you want to build a casino, you should have prepared 2 points; big capital and good human Resources management.

Big capital is a must for a casino, though I wonder if these casinos created from crowdfunding can be able to withstand huge wins from their players.

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June 24, 2023, 11:52:08 PM
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Is it possible for a casino to go bankrupt because a player gets a very big win?

I think maybe that's hard to happen if we look at casinos that are already big and well known. But suppose there is a new casino, and there are some players who are very good at playing, so they can win continuously, can the casino go bankrupt? or do they already have an algorithm or a way so players can't keep winning?
I don't think this can ever happen. Wagers from gamblers are not the only ways that casinos make money. There are other ways casinos make money that is in their business model. Some land based casinos have bars, lodging facilities, and other things attached. Therefore, no matter how much a wining a gambler makes, they'll make payment comfortably. This is however not for very small casinos without investors. Small casinos may not be able to handle large winnings. It may not bankrupt them but it would have grave consequence on the business.
Yes, the gambling platforms have more other businesses connected to them. In one day way or the other the platforms generate revenue which makes settlement easier and never get into bankruptcy. Some small casinos may suffer the problem of going down in business due to settlement of big wins. Most of the online casinos used to start little by little and progress good in the business. Such large win settlement will surely cause some drag down in the progress towards the next level of growth and business generated.

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June 24, 2023, 11:59:14 PM
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So if you want to build a casino, you should have prepared 2 points; big capital and good human Resources management.

Big capital is a must for a casino, though I wonder if these casinos created from crowdfunding can be able to withstand huge wins from their players.


If there will be someone who could funnel money into the platform then perhaps it's a yes, otherwise the casino will easily go under and with it are the money of those who have chipped in some money to make the platform a reality. Moreso if the platform doesn't have any volume apart from its regular users then there's no way they could delay giving out the winnings while also keeping the business intact.

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The casino is a company, and to build a company should have management and figuring assets by professionals. That is bad management if the Company goes bankrupt after a player won a big cash, what employer did? and is the operator sleeping?, Damn, I never hear that a new company/casino goes to bankrupt after a player won, I often hear about a new casino with bad management stealing customer money. So if you want to build a casino, you should have prepared 2 points; big capital and good human Resources management.
Every organization needs to have a risk management team. This risk manager should be in a position to inform the casino of the limit of the risk they can handle. A good risk management team would always advise the casino on how to avoid taking risks that will affect the business negatively. Any casino that risks more than its capacity to carry or bear will definitely have bankruptcy issues. If they don't have the finance to employ a risk management team there are corporate bodies that offer such services, so they can employ these firms to carry out periodic risk management evaluations.

Yes, the gambling platforms have more other businesses connected to them. In one day way or the other the platforms generate revenue which makes settlement easier and never get into bankruptcy. Some small casinos may suffer the problem of going down in business due to settlement of big wins. Most of the online casinos used to start little by little and progress good in the business. Such large win settlement will surely cause some drag down in the progress towards the next level of growth and business generated.
I am not a fan of relying on other sources of revenue to finance a casino. The casino should have a separate capital base different from other businesses own by the owners or the management. To make the management of the casino easy and less complex the business should have it's independent funding. What will happen when the business connected to the casino experience losses? I have never had any bad experiences due to casino bankruptcy. It might be because I prefer using reputable betting companies.



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June 25, 2023, 02:42:24 AM
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The casino is a company, and to build a company should have management and figuring assets by professionals. That is bad management if the Company goes bankrupt after a player won a big cash, what employer did? and is the operator sleeping?, Damn, I never hear that a new company/casino goes to bankrupt after a player won, I often hear about a new casino with bad management stealing customer money. So if you want to build a casino, you should have prepared 2 points; big capital and good human Resources management.
Your keen observation underscores that a casino is more than a playground of chance; it's a complex enterprise requiring shrewd leadership and significant funding. The glistening facade of the gambling world often masks this truth. Success hinges on strategic vision, solid fiscal planning, and adroit management.

Contrary to popular belief, substantial player wins don't precipitate casino insolvency - the house edge nearly assures profitability. Instead, poor foresight, ill-judged investments, or possible deceitful conduct usher a casino's demise.

And yes, top-tier human resource management is paramount. A competent, professional team ensures seamless operations, regulatory adherence, and stellar customer service, encouraging customer loyalty and return patronage.
Even if have a small capital, but with has good human resources with talent, that possible that casinos (with small capital) will succeed to compete with other casinos. Because nothing is failed if employers work for each other, they must fill each other employer's deficiencies. For example, if overwhelmed answering support from a customer, another employer from another division must help him to get a good impression, even if it is small things, the casino will get a goods report from the customer if serv to rating,

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No, I don't think this is possible. First, there is the house edge which is enough protection against the players. Second, if there is somebody who has the pattern to be lucky, the casino could actually prevent him from playing further or, if not, his playing time could be reduced. Third, the casino is probably not crazy enough to offer big prizes and bonuses that if won would bankrupt them. When they offer a jackpot, although it can hardly be won, they know that somebody could be lucky enough to win it. So they must have already prepared the money for that possibility.
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Is it possible for a casino to go bankrupt because a player gets a very big win?

I think maybe that's hard to happen if we look at casinos that are already big and well known. But suppose there is a new casino, and there are some players who are very good at playing, so they can win continuously, can the casino go bankrupt? or do they already have an algorithm or a way so players can't keep winning?
Casinos usually have funds that they prepare for the biggest possible win that players can get. that is if the casino is operating healthily. so it won't bankrupt them even though one of their players wins the jackpot.
moreover, there are more players who will lose than those who will win. so all the games have been planned by the casino. how they distribute wins to players and make them lose.



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June 25, 2023, 04:13:22 AM
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It is close to impossible because they have already budgeted for it; for example, in slot machines, they already have those funds and still can run the casino. We know that casinos are businesses, which is why they earn a profit every day, which is bigger than those who win big. The only reason a casino can go bankrupt is if someone wins big and their money is only enough to operate their casino, but that is bad management, so it is still impossible.
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