Is Michael Saylor a modern apostle like Peter and Paul?

[Darker45]

Well, yeah, you can somehow compare Saylor with those sacred personalities, although I personally don't like the idea of such comparison. It might send a wrong message. There is already an existing tendency of some Bitcoin supporters to somehow treat Bitcoin as some sort of a religion or cult. Some avid advocates appear very close-minded because of it.

Also, adoption of Bitcoin as a peer-to-peer electronic currency should come first or should have more weight than its adoption as a new class of asset or a new hedge against inflation or whatever.

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[Don Pedro Dinero]

Well, I remember hearing similar things from another guy who was all the rage when I registered on the forum, John McAfee. He was also making predictions about how much the price of bitcoin was going to rise and whether he was willing to eat his dick for it, falsely as it turned out. Although in Saylor's favour I have to say that he seems more intelligent and doesn't seem to lead the life of excess that the other one did, but we have to be careful with those who we promote as they can turn out to be the losers.

[Faisal2202]

if i look at Michael Saylor as modern apostle then i think i might not be wrong because he didn't waited for ETFs to be approved while he can do that too because by doing that he might get more volume and users but he didn't waited for ETFs he just made his own company name Micro-Strategy and backed it up with BTC and now people are buying shares in his company means they are buying shares in BTC but indirectly.

Well, coming back, he didn't waited for any ETFs or big approval he was the first in my POV and thus this make him the early adopter of the BTC. But, now if we see the dedication's impact on BTC which Michael Saylor has on BTC. i think it do matter. Because let's say if he started to sell BTC in bulk or started to go against BTC or at least make any statement. Then there will be fud.

And his investors will sell all of his shares and if he is going to sell them then we are ok because currently he owns 152,333 bitcoin according to coindesk. Such huge fuds will obviously create panic in the community and huge selling will start due to which market will become bearish.

[Outhue]

Religion and investment? They don't go with each other, far from comparison OP, this is money matter and Saylor is just a smart guy when it comes to making money, whatever he predict my be wrong but also it can be intentional, somethings for new money to swim into an asset there must be some goal rumor that must be created, it's what I see with big Bitcoin investors calling 1million per Bitcoin, deep down they knew its not possible but if they tell the truth how are they going to cash out?

Crypto, stock and others are like chess games, if you know how to play it right, you will be among the few winners, Manipulation is real, even among the popular faces in crypto space.

Do not believe everything people say about Bitcoin on the news, most time it's manipulation, it's a brain game, have your own plan. 

[worle1bm]

Some may find Saylor's analogy to the Prophet of Bitcoin or Paul exaggerated, but regardless of the names, there is in every new matter a man who embraces the idea and works to spread it well.

Although it would be inappropriate to liken Bitcoin to a religion, Saylor does a good job of popularizing the concept of Bitcoin, which helps expand global adoption.

I believe that we will one day reach global adoption, but this is difficult to happen at the present time because we need a long time to consolidate these concepts and spread them on a global scale.

He is seeing profits with Bitcoin which is why he invest at most of the dips but still he's investing million dollars into it on risk factors so he is somehow making good approach towards btc and also promote it through various podcasts and videos but there is motive to boost company profits with it as well.But for a global adoption the facilities needs to be provided to people like internet and smart phones which many thrid world countries still don't have and they rely on local resources only but on broad levels we have come much far.

[KalOlak]

Religion and investment? They don't go with each other, far from comparison OP, this is money matter and Saylor is just a smart guy when it comes to making money, whatever he predict my be wrong but also it can be intentional, somethings for new money to swim into an asset there must be some goal rumor that must be created, it's what I see with big Bitcoin investors calling 1million per Bitcoin, deep down they knew its not possible but if they tell the truth how are they going to cash out?

Crypto, stock and others are like chess games, if you know how to play it right, you will be among the few winners, Manipulation is real, even among the popular faces in crypto space.

Do not believe everything people say about Bitcoin on the news, most time it's manipulation, it's a brain game, have your own plan.  

Before he became known as Paul, he was called Saul. Saul was a devout Jewish Pharisee who vehemently opposed the teachings of Jesus and viewed the early Christian movement as a threat to Judaism. He actively sought out and persecuted followers of Jesus, even participating in the stoning of the first Christian martyr, Stephen.

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if i look at Michael Saylor as modern apostle then i think i might not be wrong because he didn't waited for ETFs to be approved while he can do that too because by doing that he might get more volume and users but he didn't waited for ETFs he just made his own company name Micro-Strategy and backed it up with BTC and now people are buying shares in his company means they are buying shares in BTC but indirectly.

Well, coming back, he didn't waited for any ETFs or big approval he was the first in my POV and thus this make him the early adopter of the BTC. But, now if we see the dedication's impact on BTC which Michael Saylor has on BTC. i think it do matter. Because let's say if he started to sell BTC in bulk or started to go against BTC or at least make any statement. Then there will be fud.

And his investors will sell all of his shares and if he is going to sell them then we are ok because currently he owns 152,333 bitcoin according to coindesk. Such huge fuds will obviously create panic in the community and huge selling will start due to which market will become bearish.

Sure, Sayor has skin in the game. Essentially, he created a quasi-ETF on Bitcoin, which allows him to earn fee on the spread and a interest fee from lending out Microstrategy shares to short sellers. You're saying he can sell Bitcoin? Yes, that's possible. But who would kill the goose (sell Bitcoin) that lays golden eggs? You want sell 21,000,000 Bitcoin  (for example)? Well, welcome to lose all at $0.01 for $210,000 and then +$infinity on the next trade. I call that strategy.

But what is your strategy?

[sunsilk]

I am off with this comparison and let it just be Bitcoin alone and someone who likes it and has got a lot of money invested on it. No one has instructed him in doing so unlike the Apostles that they've got a Master to follow and spread the Word that has been taught to them.

Before Saylor there goes the most popular one whom is now gone, RIP John. Although he's just an all talk guy but his attention getting to the crowd has been effective to him but that's not what we want to see for Bitcoin's growth.

While Michael is a guy that isn't just all talk but also putting money where his mouth is.

[KalOlak]

I am off with this comparison and let it just be Bitcoin alone and someone who likes it and has got a lot of money invested on it. No one has instructed him in doing so unlike the Apostles that they've got a Master to follow and spread the Word that has been taught to them.

Before Saylor there goes the most popular one whom is now gone, RIP John. Although he's just an all talk guy but his attention getting to the crowd has been effective to him but that's not what we want to see for Bitcoin's growth.

While Michael is a guy that isn't just all talk but also putting money where his mouth is.

John had no skin in this game. Not even close.

[Gallar]

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In terms of adopting bitcoin, I totally agree, that Michael Saylor is a total bitcoin supporter and lover. In fact, as far as I know, Michael Saylor is currently in fourth place in the world, as the owner of the most cryptocurrency assets, and bitcoin is probably the most widely owned cryptocurrency. So do not be surprised if Michael Saylor is called a supporter of cryptocurrency assets (bitcoin) which will be very influential.

But when compared to the apostles in a religion, I think this opinion is not quite right. Because cryptocurrency or bitcoin is not a belief or a religion. But bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are a digital asset that can be used as an investment or a means of payment. So the totality of Michael Saylor to bitcoin, is like implementing it in the company system that he owns. Indeed, all of that will certainly have a big influence on the adoption of bitcoin on a large scale. But still, the context of adopting bitcoin with a religious teaching spread by its apostles is very different, so it still can't be equalized.

[KalOlak]

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In terms of adopting bitcoin, I totally agree, that Michael Saylor is a total bitcoin supporter and lover. In fact, as far as I know, Michael Saylor is currently in fourth place in the world, as the owner of the most cryptocurrency assets, and bitcoin is probably the most widely owned cryptocurrency. So do not be surprised if Michael Saylor is called a supporter of cryptocurrency assets (bitcoin) which will be very influential.

But when compared to the apostles in a religion, I think this opinion is not quite right. Because cryptocurrency or bitcoin is not a belief or a religion. But bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are a digital asset that can be used as an investment or a means of payment. So the totality of Michael Saylor to bitcoin, is like implementing it in the company system that he owns. Indeed, all of that will certainly have a big influence on the adoption of bitcoin on a large scale. But still, the context of adopting bitcoin with a religious teaching spread by its apostles is very different, so it still can't be equalized.

I think you won't argue that Saylor doesn't use Bitcoin as a means of payment. Saylor uses Bitcoin as an investment, that's for sure. But besides that, Saylor also uses Bitcoin as collateral for a margin loan. Why sell Bitcoin if you can use it as collateral in the bank? If the price of Bitcoin grows at a higher percentage per year than Saylor's loan interest rate, Saylor will be able to get refinancing from banks forever. Skin in the game, tho.

[Lucius]

@KalOlak, before using the forum it would be wise to read the rules of the forum, do you agree? In that case, you would know what rule 32 is and you wouldn't do what you are doing.


To begin with, I will just say that it is completely pointless and wrong to involve any elements of religion when it comes to Bitcoin, because we are not any cult, sect or church or fanatics from the underground who want to destroy the financial order of the world.

Furthermore, if you are suggesting that Saylor is like the apostles, then I assume that you consider Satoshi Nakamoto to be some kind of modern day Jesus who sacrificed himself so that the world could have Bitcoin? This not only makes no sense, but it harms Bitcoin much more than it helps it in any way.

It is your personal matter what you will think and how you will act in life, but I am guided by the old saying "Give to the emperor what is emperor, and to God what is God's."

[KalOlak]

@KalOlak, before using the forum it would be wise to read the rules of the forum, do you agree? In that case, you would know what rule 32 is and you wouldn't do what you are doing.


To begin with, I will just say that it is completely pointless and wrong to involve any elements of religion when it comes to Bitcoin, because we are not any cult, sect or church or fanatics from the underground who want to destroy the financial order of the world.

Furthermore, if you are suggesting that Saylor is like the apostles, then I assume that you consider Satoshi Nakamoto to be some kind of modern day Jesus who sacrificed himself so that the world could have Bitcoin? This not only makes no sense, but it harms Bitcoin much more than it helps it in any way.

It is your personal matter what you will think and how you will act in life, but I am guided by the old saying "Give to the emperor what is emperor, and to God what is God's."

Personally, I am an atheist. But please remind me, what makes a cult or religion so bad? Richard Thaler has proven that there is no mathematical model, no matter how complex, that could predict the price (i.e., the behavior of market players) of not only Bitcoin but any other asset as well. Therefore, no matter what your strategy is regarding Bitcoin, it will rely not on science but solely on faith. So why your Bitcoin strategy is not modern cult or religion?

[Lucius]

Personally, I am an atheist.

It's not that I care if you believe in the sun, the moon or some deity, but for an atheist you seem to know a lot about Christianity.

But please remind me, what makes a cult or religion so bad?

Religions were not created to make people bad (quite the contrary), but in the name of various religions (including Christianity) great crimes were committed and millions of people suffered and lost their lives. I will not go to OT, but will only repeat that it makes no sense to push Bitcoin in that direction.

Richard Thaler has proven that there is no mathematical model, no matter how complex, that could predict the price (i.e., the behavior of market players) of not only Bitcoin but any other asset as well. Therefore, no matter what your strategy is regarding Bitcoin, it will rely not on science but solely on faith. So why your Bitcoin strategy is not modern cult or religion?

I honestly don't care what he proved (or not), because Bitcoin is not a philosophy as you want to present it, it is based on solid facts, unless you think that cryptography and mathematics are also some kind of religion or cult?

[OgNasty]

I definitely wouldn’t consider Michael Saylor a modern apostle. If anything he’s responsible for driving up the price before more nor Moe’s could enter the market. Just look at his past. He’s a guy who got rich domain squatting. I don’t view his entrance into Bitcoin as much different. He saw value in digital property and is trying to scoop as much as he can to exploit for profit.

[so98nn]

That’s could be nice meme if someone is able to fit it in a giphy box. Why world doesn’t understand that it’s a Bitcoin. You use it to transact, store your money, have a freedom of transacting, better anonymity as compared to other means of transacting and borderless transactions with paperless work.

That’s bitcoin. You don’t need to compare it with religious view that already gave rise to world war and killed billions of lives altogether.

It’s merely a vehicle to transact and in return get a product or service mate. That’s all.

[KalOlak]

Personally, I am an atheist.

It's not that I care if you believe in the sun, the moon or some deity, but for an atheist you seem to know a lot about Christianity.

But please remind me, what makes a cult or religion so bad?

Religions were not created to make people bad (quite the contrary), but in the name of various religions (including Christianity) great crimes were committed and millions of people suffered and lost their lives. I will not go to OT, but will only repeat that it makes no sense to push Bitcoin in that direction.

Richard Thaler has proven that there is no mathematical model, no matter how complex, that could predict the price (i.e., the behavior of market players) of not only Bitcoin but any other asset as well. Therefore, no matter what your strategy is regarding Bitcoin, it will rely not on science but solely on faith. So why your Bitcoin strategy is not modern cult or religion?

I honestly don't care what he proved (or not), because Bitcoin is not a philosophy as you want to present it, it is based on solid facts, unless you think that cryptography and mathematics are also some kind of religion or cult?

Interesting point of view. So, are you saying that you have a Ph.D. in Mathematics and fully understand the elliptic cryptography (ECDSA), which serves as the mathematical basis for Bitcoin? Additionally, you have a Ph.D. in Computer Science and can review the Bitcoin source code. Or did you just finish elementary school and simply believe that everything I mentioned just works? So, what is your opinion on Bitcoin based on, knowledge or faith?

[CarnagexD]

Well, yeah, you can somehow compare Saylor with those sacred personalities, although I personally don't like the idea of such comparison. It might send a wrong message. There is already an existing tendency of some Bitcoin supporters to somehow treat Bitcoin as some sort of a religion or cult. Some avid advocates appear very close-minded because of it.

Also, adoption of Bitcoin as a peer-to-peer electronic currency should come first or should have more weight than its adoption as a new class of asset or a new hedge against inflation or whatever.

I believe that is detrimental to anyone's mind to have this kind of cult thing. I mean, like any other currency, or asset classes, or stocks. BTC is just another tool for freedom. Nothing more. Do not fall to any religion into that. Do not praise to anything especially on material things. Yes Saylor could be that man who have now high influence on crypto space, but just like what I've said. Don't fall into believing that as long as Saylor is there, BTC will be alive. There is no religion in that. Don't be part of it. Detach yourself.

[Ucy]

How he is going about it is all that matters. If his teachings isn't based on Bitcoin principles which is the Foundation of Bitcoin then it's better not taught at all.
Peter and Paul never deviated from the foundational principles of the Gospel which is JESUS CHRIST. Whatever they teach while spreading the gospel must be according to the Word of GOD or the doctrine of JESUS. Whatever is outside of the doctrine or not correctly preached is counted as heresy and the teachers doomed.



Teaching the truth is like building a house or planting a tree. You first of all set the foundation or sow the seed in the ground then gradually add layers upon layers of bricks or food particles ontop of the foundation or seed until it becomes a house or a tree.
When spreading the word, firstly set a foundation in the heart of people then add layers upon layers of words on this foundation until the words become bold and strong enough in their minds to control them to be fruitful or do things right. Don't deviate from the foundation

[Agbe]

I have not heard about Michael J. Saylor preaching the gospel of bitcoin like Peter and Paul but I have only heard about his good deeds to humanity from his investment company. Saylor invest massively in bitcoin this year. Though he has given the orientation of bitcoin to his workers and friends and families and that all bitcoin enthusiast does. Peter and Paul didn't stay in one place to preach the gospel but Saylor has not left America to advocate for bitcoin but of the opportunity is given to him. He can do it.

[KalOlak]

How he is going about it is all that matters. If his teachings isn't based on Bitcoin principles which is the Foundation of Bitcoin then it's better not taught at all.
Peter and Paul never deviated from the foundational principles of the Gospel which is JESUS CHRIST. Whatever they teach while spreading the gospel must be according to the Word of GOD or the doctrine of JESUS. Whatever is outside of the doctrine or not correctly preached is counted as heresy and the teachers doomed.

But how can we know what Jesus said or even Peter and Paul said? Moreover, the first Gospel appeared centuries after the death of Christ and underwent thousands of redactions. The ideas of Christ have existed for centuries without the Gospels. Thus, the idea is much more significant than the Gospel.


"Teaching the truth is like building a house or planting a tree. You first of all set the foundation or sow the seed in the ground then gradually add layers upon layers of bricks or food particles ontop of the foundation or seed until it becomes a house or a tree. When spreading the word, firstly set a foundation in the heart of people then add layers upon layers of words on this foundation until the words become bold and strong enough in their minds to control them to be fruitful or do things right. Don't deviate from the foundation" - Wise words for Bitcoin foundation BTC