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August 21, 2023, 07:57:11 AM
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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

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August 21, 2023, 08:10:48 AM
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We will never know whether the games created by casinos are easy to manipulate, but for some games, we can verify whether the casino is cheating or honest. The developer is not responsible for the manipulation carried out by the casino because it is beyond the developer's responsibility, especially if the game is added to a particular casino. But the developer can take precautions by warning the casino not to cheat or the casino can terminate their cooperation.

And if the games are from a software provider, they shouldn't be cheating their clients because this is about the software provider's reputation. If the software provider cheats, they will not be able to grow their business any bigger because many casinos already know they are going to cheat their clients. And the casino also won't want to use the software from that provider because it's equivalent to damaging the casino's reputation.

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August 21, 2023, 08:10:53 AM
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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.
On one casino site there are quite a lot of types of bets and registered games that are offered to all gamblers and of the many choices of games or bets available, almost the majority are games made by the provider so when a problem occurs we might blame the casino but actually it's not the casino's fault and the team will also fix the game together with the provider used.
After all, well-known casinos will not carry out acts of manipulation because honestly and fairly they can get a lot of profit because well-known casinos already have very large customers, providers also provide profit money to casinos so why do we still think that well-known casinos do manipulation.
Actually there are games that are original to the casino, but there are only a few choices, not many, and even then I think they are better than the games provided by the provider.

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August 21, 2023, 08:21:40 AM
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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

If there's cases that casino games are being manipulated for sure they will get busted by their player and they will not stay on industry for more longer times.

The software provider is liable to any manipulation so if there's some issue like this exist then it should be blame to the provider and to casino owners since both of them knows what's happening to the system they offer to their gamblers.

Also people actually don't care much about who own things since many are aware that most of online casino use third party softwares to launched their business more faster than generating their own games.

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August 21, 2023, 08:35:39 AM
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Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

Yes. The games offered on casino platforms are often provided by third-party software providers rather than being developed by the casinos themselves. However, it depends on which games we are talking about. Many casino platforms also offer so-called "In-house" games, which are developed by their own development teams.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Just because a game was developed by someone else doesn't mean it can't be manipulated by the casino platform. It's all just software code, after all, right? Besides, there have been proven cases of casino platforms using pirated versions of games from well-known providers.

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August 21, 2023, 10:01:32 AM
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You think you’ve cracked the code? Most reputable online casinos outsource their games from seasoned developers! It's Business 101. Why? Because casinos focus on making money, not building games

Now, about your question on game manipulation. Isn’t it obvious? Yes, the developers primarily handle the game mechanics. But let me spell it out for you: if a casino wanted to cheat, they’d be doing it in cahoots with the developers or by tampering with the integration of the game. These casinos aren't run by choirboys

And for your last point: people are ignorant. Games in online casinos largely come from software providers. It's high time folks like you educated themselves instead of peddling misinformation. So, do your homework before you try to be the wise guy in the room

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August 21, 2023, 10:28:54 AM
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The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

I don't think there would be some manipulation going on after they got it from the software developer, because everything that's programmed in there were intact just like how they do business with the other casinos. If I were to be a software developer I don't want my brand to be known as a fraud due to an unfair games that I have developed. Therefore, I don't think the developers are to be responsible with casino manipulations or fraud, because the developers gets nothing in return if they do it, not unless if they're paid to deliberately design their game in favor with the certain casino most of the time, but then again it is the casino that wanted it and initiated it in the first place. So, everything will be the casino's responsibility.
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August 21, 2023, 10:47:33 AM
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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

One person don't build a company I believe, it's always a group of people and when it comes to casino, they make sure that the person that design and build their game is part of the company because they don't just build and start running the casino, they upgrade and continue to upgrade and also patch up when there is complaints from players and bettors, having a developer been part of the team is more secure and efficient than having someone from outside to do a casino games.

I'm not sure about your source but I haven't seen a company who give a part time job of Casino to an outsider, it's always within them because that is risky thing to do, they can give room for bug and later penetrate into the platform and later play to manipulate winnings but when a software engineer is part of the team, they will likely not comparised their own company because the fall of the company marks the fall of their own business they invest in and most often than not, software engineers are founders of casinos.

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August 21, 2023, 11:00:06 AM
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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.
forget about manipulation mate because that does not exist in respected and legit casino because their players will surely sue them and will bring them to losing trust.
that only happens in scam casinos and in which they only focus in short period of operation.
because if you are a long generating casino why ruin your site with this kinda move?
yeah this maybe from game provider but being a casino owner you will never let this to happen commonly .

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August 21, 2023, 11:01:27 AM
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Any game that is manipulated by will be done by the casino and the software dev because it is impossible for casino to operate without their software dev,in case there is an urgent maintenance of the software. A casino with good reputation wouldn't think of cheating their customers because they are making profit already for the customers that are losing. We all know that a gambler loss more than he wins to the casino. It is only a scam casino that wouldn't be provably fair with their customers because they don't plan to run for long term.

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August 21, 2023, 11:03:13 AM
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Casino owner or verified developers who ever is responsible for the game development does not guarantee how transparent the game will appear to be, when a Casino sign a contract with a game developer, the necessary tools for integration and they can also have the access to make what ever changes they want, the game design is that of the developers which they have paid for, why the Casino belongs to different individuals so they will design how they want things to be.

It's left with the casino owner to either be fair enough and leave things the way it was initially developed or they manipulate it to be in their favour, which I believe they will definitely do as their main objective for running a casino is to make profit. Casinos are designed to be in favour of the owners and not that of the gamblers.

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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

For me I trust that the providers use their own servers and they link them to the casino where they set the house edge from what the casino asks them to be.Some of these providers offers adjustable RTP meaning is not a fixed house edge but a volatile one and it depends then from the casino which RTP they throw in in their site.This is what the casino can manipulate and for this we have no control over,we only play in trusted and reputable casinos who most likely they don't need to change the RTP as they are huge and they make profit also with lower RTP-s.

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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

If that's the case, you should never play dice because most dice games are developed by the people who are behind the whole site. In many cases you never know the names of people who actually developed the casino and the games in there.
It's common for visualized games like slots to be made by companies that only do that, but simple math-based games aren't usually outsourced and if they are it's just 1 person that writes the code and you don't even know who that is.

Should you be concerned? I don't think so. You don't know who stands behind developing phone apps that you use, and most altcoin teams are just made up names and stock photos.

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August 21, 2023, 11:19:56 AM
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If there's cases that casino games are being manipulated for sure they will get busted by their player and they will not stay on industry for more longer times.

The software provider is liable to any manipulation so if there's some issue like this exist then it should be blame to the provider and to casino owners since both of them knows what's happening to the system they offer to their gamblers.

Also people actually don't care much about who own things since many are aware that most of online casino use third party softwares to launched their business more faster than generating their own games.
I agree with your statement, casinos that manipulate games will be easily identified because gamblers are experienced using various gambling platforms, casino teams will not damage their reputation because casino owners have paid high prices for gambling games from software developers. But I am not of the opinion that all gambling is safe because some report gambling platforms have manipulated code that folds developers to change ruining fair and honest games.

We don't know about the profiles of gambling developers because they are paid according to the order of the casino owners, so the casino owners are to blame if they manipulate the games. However, gamblers must be selective in choosing safe and fair gambling, especially for the top list of trusted casino platforms that have been suggested by the gambling community.

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August 21, 2023, 11:25:26 AM
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The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

What should be the normal procedure is for the developers to make a new provisioned for the casinos base on the criterials they want and give the developers to work on, there will be implementation of changes to this games, then they will also have to run a test on them to see the way they perform before the accepting the from the developers, you cannot just accept any offer they have without you presenting your taste for them to work on.

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

It's true, but there's always a need for remodification of any game of your choice if you so wish the developers should work on that for your taste and target.



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August 21, 2023, 11:31:05 AM
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Casino owner or verified developers who ever is responsible for the game development does not guarantee how transparent the game will appear to be, when a Casino sign a contract with a game developer, the necessary tools for integration and they can also have the access to make what ever changes they want, the game design is that of the developers which they have paid for, why the Casino belongs to different individuals so they will design how they want things to be.

It's left with the casino owner to either be fair enough and leave things the way it was initially developed or they manipulate it to be in their favour, which I believe they will definitely do as their main objective for running a casino is to make profit. Casinos are designed to be in favour of the owners and not that of the gamblers.

And probably fair? When you play provably fair games in crypto casinos you can verify your bets. It's on the casino to set up the house edge, it's where they make money. The house edge can and is different for different games and in different casinos.

We can't check the fairness of third-party games, it's on us to trust them or not. As a person who likes to play slots and some other third-party games, I know how unpredictable these games can be. The long-losing streaks are pretty much normal, we rely on pure luck, and there are no guarantees that we will land on a bonus round with some greater payout.

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We can't check the fairness of third-party games, it's on us to trust them or not. As a person who likes to play slots and some other third-party games, I know how unpredictable these games can be. The long-losing streaks are pretty much normal, we rely on pure luck, and there are no guarantees that we will land on a bonus round with some greater payout.

But even where we know that gambling is luck based we should also know where we are throwing our money to. At least with the assurance that the house edge will not be above 50% against us.

I think Op has brought a sensible topic. If there is a way that casinos can disclose games programmed by their team and outsourced games or third party games that will be nice because I will feel playing through a third party interphase could give me a more guarantee of provably fair.
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I think that casino games are not made by the casino team they have owners and developers who manage the casinos. Casino managers, also referred to as managers or gaming managers, hold an important position in casinos. They are in charge of managing the day to day management of the gaming area and overseeing the operation of the casino teams cannot manage properly because most teams cheat. A lot of money is needed to make casino sites attractive by signing developer contracts with casino owners to launch casinos. The games often require a certain level of skill and strategy, which makes them popular among seasoned gamblers.
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August 21, 2023, 02:41:26 PM
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If the casino teams know how to code, there's a chance if they manipulated the games. There's also a chance the developer has a personal agreement with the casino teams to create a game that can be manipulated.

If you want to be safe, don't gamble on in-built games, just choose to gamble on games that created by trusted gambling providers e.g. Pragmatic Play, Play'n GO, etc.

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August 21, 2023, 02:51:58 PM
 #20

I do not see the point of manipulation for the casino (of course if the casino was not created for the purpose of stealing users' money), because the revenue is embedded in the algorithms for each individual game and by and large the owner of the casino should be engaged in attracting users to increase earnings. Quite a working scheme without the need for fraud, because if fraud is proven, the casino will clearly lose all users.

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