Request: Disable JayJuanGee in the Wall Observer thread

[LoyceV]

This seems relevant:

Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly. It's conceivable that someday you and I will end up disagreeing too much about this stuff and I'll remove your source status, but it's really not a big deal.

The topsendban list is just a first indication of abuse, and many excellent people are on it. Your place on there acts as a sort of benchmark: eg. chandra12 has a similar score there, but whereas you are an extremely active merit-giver with a diverse selection of posts merited (most of which anyone would agree with), chandra12 only has two large merit sends. His behavior in comparison to yours while having a similar topsendban score is what creates a strong abuse impression.

I appreciate the work of you and other sources who take it seriously!

See Top senders to permabanned users, last 180 days, here's the top 10:

59: fillippone
31: JayJuanGee
28: Julien_Olynpic
26: ETFbitcoin
24: NotATether
24: o_e_l_e_o
24: The Sceptical Chymist
20: CryptopreneurBrainboss
18: irhact
17: DdmrDdmr

Should I update How many banned users have you merited??

[philipma1957]

I see JayJuanGee has a merit distributing habit with 1 for each merit distribution. It's hard to abuse by begging a merit source like JayJuanGee and it's my point here.

About merit distribution of JayJuanGee in Wall Observer, I did not check but I believe he is a good merit source by what I saw him distributing merit beyond Wall Observer thread.

Why do we need the special solution on JayJuanGee, rather than all members in Wall Observer thread including other merit sources?

Honestly I think it is unnecessary and unfair too. Posts, if are good in quality, should be awarded merit no matter where they are, in WO or beyond WO.

Meriting poor quality posts exists in other boards, other threads too, not only restricted in WO. So if it is special restriction on WO or JJG, something is unfair and totally wrong.

theymos can revert merit transactions, if you have yet known about it. Even revert past merit transactions is not a perfect fair solution for everyone.

Please the alt posts 50 times in a month and JJG can give 50 one merit awards.

Actually A simple request is not to shut JJG off on the wo forever.

Just shut him off for 1 month on the wo.  No merits from JJG on the wo for a month.

The have loyce do some thread showing the difference on the WO.

Heck I would be willing to say JJG would do it on his own just to show up bob.
 

[Synchronice]

I don't know why you guys are offensive towards him, Wall Observer is a real honeypot for spammer merit seekers. Personally, what I see is that people post memes or writes some learnt sentence about how bitcoin will go to the moon, posts it and that's enough to experience the rainfall of merits and I don't get it, why? Why does that happen? This is like a loophole, there are users who post spammy posts on Bitcoin Discussion and some other boards, then return back to Wall Observer to get some merits, then they repeat it and that's all.
Merit problem really exists on WO thread and local boards.

The meriting of these posts is creating a positive feedback system where merit farmers are encouraged to continue this behavior... as a result the only skill they're actually developing is how to extract merits from senior WO posters.

The simple solution to the problem is to disable JayJuanGee

When it comes to merits, JayJuanGee is very generous from my experience. I don't usually follow who does what outside the threads where I post, but I think you are way overreacting, have you tried to PM him? Overall, it's not like only JayJuanGee does that, there is a merit rainfall trend in WO thread.

See Top senders to permabanned users, last 180 days, here's the top 10:

59: fillippone
31: JayJuanGee
28: Julien_Olynpic
26: ETFbitcoin
24: NotATether
24: o_e_l_e_o
24: The Sceptical Chymist
20: CryptopreneurBrainboss
18: irhact
17: DdmrDdmr

Should I update How many banned users have you merited??

That means nothing because spammers aren't banned on this forum. And anyone can scam, including intellectual and dumb.

[nutildah]

See Top senders to permabanned users, last 180 days, here's the top 10:

59: fillippone
31: JayJuanGee
28: Julien_Olynpic
26: ETFbitcoin
24: NotATether
24: o_e_l_e_o
24: The Sceptical Chymist
20: CryptopreneurBrainboss
18: irhact
17: DdmrDdmr

Should I update How many banned users have you merited??

Yes please, that'd be great. Then we could do a comparison of that data with Most generous merit senders, all time to discover who the statistical outliers for meriting banned users are.

I don't know why you guys are offensive towards him, Wall Observer is a real honeypot for spammer merit seekers.
...
Merit problem really exists on WO thread and local boards.

Seems like you answered your own question.

That means nothing because spammers aren't banned on this forum. And anyone can scam, including intellectual and dumb.

Being banned is a strong indication of being a cheater of some sort, whether its from plagiarism or ban evasion.

Perhaps a more informative metric would be seeing who has sent the most merits to red trusted accounts (doesn't matter whether the merit was sent before or after the red trust was given).

[DaveF]

Better solution. Remove the Wall Observer thread and the speculation section.
Would clean up so much junk / spam.

Although I do rarely post speculative things I fully realize that any opinions there are like assholes everyone has one and most of them stink.

Some posts are fun to read, but do they really contribute to the forum in general or help the BTC / crypto world.

-Dave

[fillippone]

59: fillippone
31: JayJuanGee

Should I update How many banned users have you merited??

Please do. It is certainly interesting, and I think my merit thread could be the “culript” for this.
I didn't expect to top this chart, and by such an amount of merits.
I definitely need to implement the BIP extension on the various devices I use to interact with the forum.

[Lucius]

Better solution. Remove the Wall Observer thread and the speculation section.
Would clean up so much junk / spam.
~snip~

If the forum administration would go in that direction, then they could also remove the Bitcoin discussion, in which realistically at least 70% of the content is completely useless and meaningless - and what about the Altcoins boards that spammers took over a long time ago, or maybe Gambling boards?

What we need are quality solutions that will prevent the creation of alt farms, but we certainly won't achieve that by closing one board at a time, because as long as there is financial motivation for ranking accounts on this forum, there will be those who will in all possible ways try to use it.

Although the OP is written in an ironic tone, I have to say that, to my mind, there is a lot of merit in the time JJG spends reading through the forum and distributing his merits, many times outside the WO thread as has been commented, and most of them one at a time. Although from time to time he gives two for one post.

There have been quite a few times that when I have logged in the forum I have seen that I have been given a merit, I have gone to see who and it turns out that it was JJG for a post I wrote months ago on page 3 of a thread. When I go to the thread I see that he has distributed other merits along the thread, so I can see that he has read the thread from cover to cover distributing merits to the posts that he considers worthy.

And the thread is maybe 8 pages long, being 3 months old. I think that level of dedication to distribute merits is unrivaled.

I noticed that too, and I can say that it is almost a unique phenomenon on the forum - to get merit for a post that was created even several years ago and is in some megathread is sometimes quite surprising. Of course, it would be unfair not to mention another excellent merit source (@DdmrDdmr) that is known for large distributions of merits, and very often for posts that it has already awarded in the past.

[xhomerx10]

Before I cast my vote, I need to clearly understand your use of the word "disable" wrt JayJuanGee.  I wouldn't like to see Jay's typing fingers (and toes as I'm sure he must use those as well) broken or have him end up as a quadriplegic and/or rusty-piped into compliance.   I just want to be sure that no physical harm will come to JJG during the disabling process.

[LoyceV]

Perhaps a more informative metric would be seeing who has sent the most merits to red trusted accounts (doesn't matter whether the merit was sent before or after the red trust was given).

Maybe. But both banned and red trusted users can have good posts.

I didn't expect to top this chart, and by such an amount of merits.

You've sent a lot of sMerit. And even if they get banned, it doesn't necessarily mean their posts were bad. It's tricky if you Merit plagiarism though.

[Who is John Galt?]

While this openly ironic topic turned into a stream of panegyrics to JayJuanGee, it was even grotesquely beautiful in its own way.

But then hints began that there are quite a few who distribute their merits completely incorrectly, that there are abuses, etc. And others distribute correctly, but to the wrong people. And everything is terrible!

In general, it looks like everyone just has a very different attitude towards merits, for which they can or should be given. All people are different, and it is hardly possible to achieve a single standard, and is it necessary?

In the end, both this discussion and the previous one come down to the fact that there are a number of violators who are trying to use the system in their favor. There will always be violators, and they will always try to pick up the master key to the system. Is it worth it to blame each other for anything and radically change yourself because of these few violators? And after all, it is the violators who are clearly to blame, and not those people about whom many are ready to say a lot of kind words, right?

If the violators are doing something wrong for some purpose, it might be possible to prevent them from getting what they want on the other side, right? Maybe there is a solution on the other side?

[Hueristic]

This seems relevant:

Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly. It's conceivable that someday you and I will end up disagreeing too much about this stuff and I'll remove your source status, but it's really not a big deal.

The topsendban list is just a first indication of abuse, and many excellent people are on it. Your place on there acts as a sort of benchmark: eg. chandra12 has a similar score there, but whereas you are an extremely active merit-giver with a diverse selection of posts merited (most of which anyone would agree with), chandra12 only has two large merit sends. His behavior in comparison to yours while having a similar topsendban score is what creates a strong abuse impression.

I appreciate the work of you and other sources who take it seriously!

See Top senders to permabanned users, last 180 days, here's the top 10:

59: fillippone
31: JayJuanGee
28: Julien_Olynpic
26: ETFbitcoin
24: NotATether
24: o_e_l_e_o
24: The Sceptical Chymist
20: CryptopreneurBrainboss
18: irhact
17: DdmrDdmr

Should I update How many banned users have you merited??

Nice list I need to get out of WO more often.

I'd like to see that list updated, I'd be interested to see how many I've fucked up on.
I have a notoriously fast ignore trigger so...

Also I think you should order that list (in the thread) by percentage rather than absolute which seems to me to be a much better metric as it can be incorrectly interpreted as displayed. Obviously those who distribute larger amounts will hit the scum more often then those that don't distribute at all.

Now if I wanted to start a witchunt, I'd start at those with the highest percentage.

[fillippone]

I am voting against it.
To me JJG is part of the very essence of the WO.
In my very first interaction with the WO, JJG immediately was called:

JJG³: The Italian Job

Wait actually that is unfair, they don't compare. fillippone's English is very good, and his content too.

JJG³: #rekt in Italy

Dear Lord, there’s an inside Joke and a 22k pages thread. I think I’m lost.

So I vote NO.
The WO will heal itself from those spammers, merit whores and abuser.

[Shamm]

Although the OP is written in an ironic tone, I have to say that, to my mind, there is a lot of merit in the time JJG spends reading through the forum and distributing his merits, many times outside the WO thread as has been commented, and most of them one at a time. Although from time to time he gives two for one post.

There have been quite a few times that when I have logged in the forum I have seen that I have been given a merit, I have gone to see who and it turns out that it was JJG for a post I wrote months ago on page 3 of a thread. When I go to the thread I see that he has distributed other merits along the thread, so I can see that he has read the thread from cover to cover distributing merits to the posts that he considers worthy.

And the thread is maybe 8 pages long, being 3 months old. I think that level of dedication to distribute merits is unrivaled.

Absolutely mate JayJuanGee is matured enough here in our forum which means he already knew what he does or what he want to do. Like for example as a merit source he has his own way to distribute his merits he has the decision how many merits he want to spent everyday everywhere inside the WO thread or not. So why should we keep mind on that thing JJG is one of the merit source that give merits to those post he think worthy to be given also not just only he spent his sMerits on WO thread also he gives some of his merits in other threads.

[Hueristic]

I think The WO should have its own Ban power (within WO thread) and then we can just lose those twatter spammers permanently.

The Fact Twatter does not even allow the reading of a thread without signing in make that cesspool not worth the effort to click the link anymore so I'd love to see all links to it blocked ala imgur.

*separated this from previous post as its a completely separate discussion.

[shahzadafzal]

The simple solution to the problem is to disable JayJuanGee

Disbale JJG how?

I mean you can turn on or off someone but disbale how exactly?

I don’t know how to turn on JJG but turn off is easy just say “crypto” and boom 🤯….

[nutildah]

I think The WO should have its own Ban power (within WO thread) and then we can just lose those twatter spammers permanently.

This is a good idea and I can conceptualize it in my head. Instead of there being a "bump" button on the thread, there is a "vote to ban" button under each post by a member under Sr. Member. It would be visible to pre-ordained members of a Council of WO, maybe 20 of the most active WO posters (ideally limited to Hero Members and Legendaries). If a shitposter receives "vote to ban" clicks from 5 or more council members, they are automatically banned from posting in the WO for a month.

However, it would go against theymos' libertarian principles as the Council of WO that could decide to restrict the "freedoms" of certain accounts. It would still probably be helpful.


For example, if this post was in the WO (and I was less than a Sr. Member) it would look like this:

[vapourminer]

I think The WO should have its own Ban power (within WO thread) and then we can just lose those twatter spammers permanently.

This is a good idea and I can conceptualize it in my head. Instead of there being a "bump" button on the thread, there is a "vote to ban" button under each post by a member under Sr. Member. It would be visible to pre-ordained members of a Council of WO, maybe 20 of the most active WO posters (ideally limited to Hero Members and Legendaries). If a shitposter receives "vote to ban" clicks from 5 or more council members, they are automatically banned from posting in the WO for a month.

i kinda like it (the vote thing), but instead of a thread ban how about that persons posts are automatically hidden to everyone, but with a "unhide" button so that suckers peeps can still see it if they want to.

basically it would be a community ignore thing that individuals can override.

[xhomerx10]

What if they could implement an "intention to merit" with a 48 hour recall on it so when everyone got on you for meriting a merit farmer, you could take it back... or not but at least we'd know where you stand and maybe the rusty pipe treatment would be in order .  After 48 hours if not recalled, it would turn into a merit.  This could also be useful for those times when you've used your last merit and something better comes along causing you to regret using your last merit on an inferior post.

[LoyceV]

What if they could implement an "intention to merit" with a 48 hour recall on it

That reminds me of LoyceV's deMerit source application.

[eXPHorizon]

So i guess WO is filled with WHINGING folks who can not handle diversity in posts and Merits. Sad how childish it makes the members look, seems like they can and nobody else cant.