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September 20, 2023, 01:03:49 PM
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I advise people to pay taxes and I am not part of those who try to use crypto to avoid paying tax but as I said above, if there is a way to differentiate between bitcoin earned from services or job from someone's fiat converted to BTC, that will be great.
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So do I, too.

Of course, you, like me and the whole forum pay the cryptocurrency taxes that apply, each and every one of us. We declare the earnings from the signature campaigns as income tax, depending on the country we also register as self-employed for it (no matter if you have another job) then every time we pay with bitcoin even if it is $20 we have it well noted to declare it in next year's income because it is a taxable event and if when you spent that $20 the price of Bitcoin was higher than when you collected it from the signature campaigns, or you bought it or got it in another way, you will have to pay taxes for it. Then we also pay taxes for every exchange we make in the currency exchange section, which you can sometimes see in feedback trusts "I exchanged 100USDT for his Bitcoin, he went first."

And let alone everything that moves in the gambling section, which is obviously also all declared as it should be. Only a few clueless people like the OP and a few heartless people do not fulfill these obligations, but I would say that the majority of the forum does.
I think the issue here is the adequacy of taxes and tax policy. If a citizen receives income, then the tax system should be very simple for citizens. In Russia, for example, you need to download a smartphone application and pay 4% tax. For convenience, it is better to open a separate account in another banking application so as not to mix your salary and benefits with other income. If such a system worked in the USA and Europe, they would increase tax collection.

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September 20, 2023, 01:34:12 PM
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I think the issue here is the adequacy of taxes and tax policy. If a citizen receives income, then the tax system should be very simple for citizens. In Russia, for example, you need to download a smartphone application and pay 4% tax. For convenience, it is better to open a separate account in another banking application so as not to mix your salary and benefits with other income. If such a system worked in the USA and Europe, they would increase tax collection.

That's for sure. There are two things that increase tax revenue:

1. Ease of filing.
2. Low rates.

As in many countries neither of these two things is given in the field of cryptocurrencies many people do not declare them, as there is a certain ease of holding and trading cryptocurrencies without your state knowing about it. Now as governments see that they are missing quite a few taxes out there, in many cases what they have come up with is the opposite: the same difficulty to file taxes, KYC obligations everywhere, and high fees.

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September 21, 2023, 09:40:33 AM
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I think the issue here is the adequacy of taxes and tax policy. If a citizen receives income, then the tax system should be very simple for citizens. In Russia, for example, you need to download a smartphone application and pay 4% tax. For convenience, it is better to open a separate account in another banking application so as not to mix your salary and benefits with other income. If such a system worked in the USA and Europe, they would increase tax collection.

That's for sure. There are two things that increase tax revenue:

1. Ease of filing.
2. Low rates.

As in many countries neither of these two things is given in the field of cryptocurrencies many people do not declare them, as there is a certain ease of holding and trading cryptocurrencies without your state knowing about it. Now as governments see that they are missing quite a few taxes out there, in many cases what they have come up with is the opposite: the same difficulty to file taxes, KYC obligations everywhere, and high fees.
Do you know why people don’t declare their crypto savings in Russia?
If a citizen has a couple of thousand dollars, then this makes no sense, because for such amounts there are no fines and no obligation to declare. But if you declare, then you will have more rights in court and you will be able to file statements with the police, because your cryptocurrency is legally declared.

But let's look at the other side, and this is security.
If you have millions of dollars in your bank account, then it is difficult to steal them, but if bandits find out that an ordinary citizen has millions of dollars worth of cryptocurrency, they will rob him.

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