JollyGood is trusted by - and question.

[LoyceV]

I know that right! Vod and OgNasty had balls and it got to a point that Vod was writing to the FBI, reviewing OgNasty real identity and even planned a lawsuit, I mean that was epic.

I wouldn't call it "epic". More like it destroyed lives.
Don't go down that road. Using the Ignore button and moving on is much better for something as unimportant as an internet forum.

Controlling 200 cows is easier than controlling 10 adults. Trust me  

Lol.

What lives are you referring to?

Mainly his own, up to the point that the forum contributed to a stroke. Ignoring people is so much better.

[Igebotz]

I know that right! Vod and OgNasty had balls and it got to a point that Vod was writing to the FBI, reviewing OgNasty real identity and even planned a lawsuit, I mean that was epic.

I wouldn't call it "epic". More like it destroyed lives.
Don't go down that road. Using the Ignore button and moving on is much better for something as unimportant as an internet forum.

What lives are you referring to? I'm aware of the arguments between Vod and MoparmingLLC on Discord, and I still have the records. As for the other person being a racist- yep, Vod wasn't wrong, he abused me several times on Discord, and that's how Vod got it off.

Vod has anger issues; offend him on the beach, and he'll log on the forum, neg tag you for abuse with no reference, and block you from PM. He should be 60yrs by now, and I hope he's having fun with his Poker project. We don't miss him at all.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

because members are supposed to be excluded from your trust list only if you think their feedback-giving is wrong for whatever reason. 

But unfortunately JG does not see it that way.

His understanding of the whole system summarize into [1a.] Support my argument, I will give you merit [1b.] Include me in your trust list, I will try to return the favour and will include you if you are somehow a top rated member.

[2a.] Don't support my argument, I will insult you, call you a troll, keep telling others that you are in my ignore list [2b.] Exclude me from your trust list, I will exclude you or remove you completely if you were already in my trust list.

creating this thread allowing a group of trolls working in tandem to post their propaganda whenever they get a chance.

The inclusion, exclusion data clearly shows that [1.] 20 out of 23 members he added in his trust list is because they voted him in the DT [2.] 50 out of 52 de-vote are the result of the other party de-voted him and he devoted them.

When I read some members are telling that he is doing a good job, I clearly see it a result of a successful manipulation and JG deserves a credit for it.

[dkbit98]

The reality is that you can't have 10k+ people from diverse cultures and beliefs in the same forum and expect them to have a united opinion on everything. Controlling 200 cows is easier than controlling 10 adults. Trust me  

Yeah I am not so sure about controlling cows, but it's important who controls them, and it's the same with humans, someone is obviously easily controlling millions of people around the world.
I don't think we need to have controllers for anyone in bitcointalk forum, and maybe we are giving this 2 guys more attention then we should.
My advice for Royse is to ignore anything connected with JG, but I said it so many times that I am slowly turning into parrot  

[Igebotz]

When I read some members are telling that he is doing a good job, I clearly see it a result of a successful manipulation and JG deserves a credit for it.

Although some of his feedbacks are crossedlines, we cannot say he has done no good. Credit should be given when due, but this should not prevent criticism when a problem arises.

Visiting the forum on daily is enough good for thyemos

The reality is that you can't have 10k+ people from diverse cultures and beliefs in the same forum and expect them to have a united opinion on everything. Controlling 200 cows is easier than controlling 10 adults. Trust me 

Yeah I am not so sure about controlling cows, but it's important who controls them, and it's the same with humans, someone is obviously easily controlling millions of people around the world.
I don't think we need to have controllers for anyone in bitcointalk forum, and maybe we are giving this 2 guys more attention then we should.
My advice for Royse is to ignore anything connected with JG, but I said it so many times that I am slowly turning into parrot 

Maybe you're right about paying too much attention to their personal drama, but if it affects the DT system, we have every right to intervene. Regarding the cow story, where I come from, a 10-year-old child can control 200 cows across towns without any of them leaving the queue; you only need a few strategies to do this, but no strategy is enough when it comes to humans.

[dkbit98]

Although some of his feedbacks are crossedlines, we cannot say he has done no good.

So what?
Every person has done some good in their lives, but that doesn't give them the right to abuse anyone and act as a jerk.

Regarding the cow story, where I come from, a 10-year-old child can control 200 cows across towns without any of them leaving the queue; you only need a few strategies to do this, but no strategy is enough when it comes to humans.

I think we live in different worlds you and me.
Millions of people follow instructions from governments, experts and tv programming every day very easy, and they stay perfectly in line better than cows and sheep ever would.
Send any kid or grown man from city to control animals and he will lose them 100%, if they even know what real animals look like.
Anyway, this is way off-topic... I won't post in this topic anymore.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

When I read some members are telling that he is doing a good job, I clearly see it a result of a successful manipulation and JG deserves a credit for it.

Although some many of his feedbacks are crossedlines, we cannot say he has done no good. Credit should be given when due, but this should not prevent criticism when a problem arises.

Fixed that for you.
Sure you have not checked his send feedback page yet. Picking up on members, using the feedback page as his personal note. Feedback left with speculations, bad faith, without good reasons, with less to no facts.

Some feedback he left that has taken from the first page of his sent feedback page.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=239997;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=404695;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2542493;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3359339;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2725176;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1211976;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1114589;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3559721;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2019955;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3566760;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=204074;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=640559;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=34694;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3569467;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1112722;dt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3570848;dt

To make the number looks bigger he even left feedback to pages that are nuked or banned for spamming but he had to write I reported this account for spamming sort of things LOL. Anyway, it looks like everyone is in vacation, enjoying the beach but one member is working daily, tirelessly and leaving at-least one feedback a day to save the forum from aliens.

I won't post in this topic anymore.

I am going with you too 😉

[Timelord2067]

but I said it so many times that I am slowly turning into parrot

It's called an echo chamber...

but that doesn't give them the right to abuse anyone and act as a jerk.

Let me just quote you on that..

I won't post in this topic anymore.

May I quote you on that... too?

As for the other person being a racist- yep,

Yes, I've started receiving racist comments too - do as I do and call them and their thin skinned gang members who support and encourage them out.

[DaveF]

Starting with the I really don't have time to deal with this crap....
I went through just about ALL of the feedback he left, looked at who and why and what all of it, took forever. But, since there is so much controversy and I did open my mouth I figured it's better to look and be sure.

In *my* opinion, 90% of what he left was legit.
DID it need to be left? That is also an important question. Some yes and some no. In my opinion.

Now, for that last 10% I would say it's about 50-50 of wrong (once again IMO) and did not need to be left (yet again IMO)

I have made many posts about the failing of the trust / feedback here so not going to dive into that since there seems to be zero chance of it being changed into something useful.

For now I took him out of my trust list, but will probably not matter since at this point with everything else that is going on I think that it's going to get worse with people grouping into their 'gangs' to protect people they like.

If I get tagged down to -30 in trust and booted out of the sig campaign I am in it will not matter. I would still be here posting. If everyone adds trust and I make it to +100 I will still be here posting.

Now I'm going outside to enjoy the weather and not post....

-Dave

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Well, to be honest, I think, just as I've always thought and believed, and still believe that you are doing well, really well even with the few negative trust and stuff..

One thing we must understand is that, what is ours will always be ours, and that which is not meant for us, will always have an or some excuse as to why we can't have it even though we so much desire to have it..

I personally do not see any way JollyGood's negative feedback on your account have harmed your business, you are currently managing a lot of campaigns, I actually think you are managing the most campaigns on the forum if I am not wrong in my assessment, or maybe Hhampuz is, but you are still doing very well ..

I will only advice that you forget about JollyGood's feedback, just focus on being the best you can be in business and in personality, offer the best you know you can offer in your services, work with services that accept your offer and leave those that did not, and whatever their reason be for rejecting your offer, simply just see it that they weren't really meant for you.

[AB de Royse777]

not because one of the recognized users mentioned it

It's because I do not have time to continue an argument. I have an honest curiosity though which I expressed in the PM I sent you earlier. Let's just hope moderators do not recognize it as unsolicited PM.

[digaran]

Is there any way to find out the time of trust feedback? I mean date and exact time? Because I just found out that BitcoinGirl.Club is right about this person, I strongly believe I got the tag either after or around the same time of this post :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464289.msg62899059#msg62899059
Also please read my post a few posts above his post, check post date and time, check my topic on him and it's time and date, if I wasn't asleep I could have seen it sooner and open that topic right away.

To those who support him, this is the kind of person you trust and back him up with inclusion?  If the answer is yes, then you are the same and deserve no place on DT to play with people's reputation like that.

I remember a quote from theymos saying trust system is not to tag people if they disagree with you. So I was also right about a deep connection between the OP of merit source application and JG.

If any of you after seeing over and over that he is misusing the trust system, bullying and harassing others keep him on your list, you will lose your credibility and influence gradually, of course all of us can make mistakes and misjudge  people sometimes, what is important is us trying to fix our mistake and make up for it, that's not showing weakness, it's not considered  accepting defeat, no it shows your maturity, it shows that you can be relied upon and be trusted.

You have brains, you know these things better than me, it's just that you need to hear it from others to be reminded of these already known facts.

As your little brother. I ask you to consider my comment above. Because if we can't rely on you to protect this community from abuse, harassment, scammers etc, then such community will be a lost cause to care for when it's supposedly trustworthy members are indifferent about the things expected from them  to be deemed  important.

[LoyceV]

Is there any way to find out the time of trust feedback? I mean date and exact time?

Nope. Unless you checked right before and right after the feedback was left.

[yahoo62278]

Is there any way to find out the time of trust feedback? I mean date and exact time? Because I just found out that BitcoinGirl.Club is right about this person, I strongly believe I got the tag either after or around the same time of this post :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464289.msg62899059#msg62899059
Also please read my post a few posts above his post, check post date and time, check my topic on him and it's time and date, if I wasn't asleep I could have seen it sooner and open that topic right away.

To those who support him, this is the kind of person you trust and back him up with inclusion?  If the answer is yes, then you are the same and deserve no place on DT to play with people's reputation like that.

I remember a quote from theymos saying trust system is not to tag people if they disagree with you. So I was also right about a deep connection between the OP of merit source application and JG.

If any of you after seeing over and over that he is misusing the trust system, bullying and harassing others keep him on your list, you will lose your credibility and influence gradually, of course all of us can make mistakes and misjudge  people sometimes, what is important is us trying to fix our mistake and make up for it, that's not showing weakness, it's not considered  accepting defeat, no it shows your maturity, it shows that you can be relied upon and be trusted.

You have brains, you know these things better than me, it's just that you need to hear it from others to be reminded of these already known facts.

As your little brother. I ask you to consider my comment above. Because if we can't rely on you to protect this community from abuse, harassment, scammers etc, then such community will be a lost cause to care for when it's supposedly trustworthy members are indifferent about the things expected from them  to be deemed  important.

50% of the people currently in DT probably do not belong there. I disagree 100% with the system as it is now. The old way wasn't much better but it was better. There is a belief that more is better for decentralization, but I think it opens the community up to way more possible corruption as well as way more ignorant users on DT that do not understand how it works.

With that being said, there has already been a discussion on JollyGood. In this thread and in others. Has he gotten some wrong? Yes. Is he wrong more often then right? No. Should he relax and present more evidence before tagging? Probably.

Is this enough for everyone to distrust him? No, until he is making bad tag after bad tag after bad tag and showing he just doesn't give a shit, he will be on DT. Your problem is he tagged you, and you think you will gain support through manipulation.

If you dislike the guy ~Jollygood and move on. That's the best you're going to get here.

Just an FYI, if you feel that I shouldn't be in DT ~yahoo62278 as well. I have already left the system once and could care less about DT. I'm not 1 of these people threatening others for a payment to remove my tag(although I think you mentioned you are that type).

[digaran]

Of course it was better before, for DT members alone, I don't care about the tag, motive and reason is important here, I have already achieved my desired result.

And of course, I threatened all the people and said: I'm a DT member and I am asking you publicly to pay "me" so that I reconsider to remove the tag I never gave you"
That's my type, I just don't know what to do with that money. Anyhow, I have discussed about this matter enough already here and in other thread.

One thing I want you all to know, it doesn't matter if you have green/ red trust, try to live in a way so that when you stand before your maker, you could keep your heads up, that should be the ultimate goal for all mankind.
Be worried about a day where mothers don't recognize their  children and no one will vouch for anyone, no money is used, no backscratchers could scratch, no apologies will be accepted.

There is a verse in holy Qura'n, saying something like this, people in heaven will ask where is that guy I knew on earth? They will tell you he's in hell, then you would make a video call ( no joking ) and talk to him while he is suffering, to tell him, "I told you so".   Make sure to be the guy who has made the call not the one who has answered.

We shall see who was scamming people here, some day very soon.

[decodx]

There is a verse in holy Qura'n, saying something like this, <...>

You brought up a similar remark in another thread that you've since locked, so I'll respond here. I'm not a Muslim, and your holy Quran doesn't hold any significance for me. But since you've mentioned it, I'm curious – what does your book have to say about lying scammers? Are they on the right side of the phone line?

[Igebotz]

There is a verse in holy Qura'n, saying something like this, <...>

You brought up a similar remark in another thread that you've since locked, so I'll respond here. I'm not a Muslim, and your holy Quran doesn't hold any significance for me. But since you've mentioned it, I'm curious – what does your book have to say about lying scammers? Are they on the right side of the phone line?

This thread has been steered to something irrelevant by you both! Nobody cares what the Quran says or whether you believe it or not; we just care about the topic of this thread. There is no such thing as religion. We're all apes in the eyes of the creator

[AB de Royse777]

I suppose it's time to lock the discussion. I don't want it to deviate towards something else. I was curious to know what this alt account, airfinex, had to say about his PMs to several projects owners that I manage, using his cherry-picked information.

not because one of the recognized users mentioned it

It's because I do not have time to continue an argument. I have an honest curiosity though which I expressed in the PM I sent you earlier. Let's just hope moderators do not recognize it as unsolicited PM.

In those PMs, he was referring to JollyGood. Of course, JollyGood has never held a favorable opinion of me or my service. He also cherry-picked Poker Player. There is no difference between JollyGood and Poker Player when they are judging me. Interestingly, he was also cherry-picking LoyceV and Suchmoon. Some of their general statements were presented in a way that he hoped it would be effective. Well, who knows, it might have worked for some.

I will see how airfinex responds to the PM I sent. If he has anything to say about it and requests to unlock the topic, I may unlock it; otherwise, let everything be buried. Thanks to those who expressed their opinions and provided some insights into why JollyGood is on your trust list.