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September 14, 2023, 07:55:21 PM
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I won't also be surprised if exchanges are deliberately using this to enrich themselves. It's easy to manipulate prices against the prevailing price for their gains.
Exchanges can not use arbitrary trading to enrich themselves. A coin price in one exchange will be different from the price on another exchange. Sometimes a coin price difference one exchanges can be significant enough to be used for arbitrage trading in a way that some people will see it as an opportunity for arbitrage trading. So far that is not on the same exchange that a trader is using for the arbitrage, it is not against any the ToS of any exchange.

Above all, my plight here is that you should think more about your account before you are engrossed with arbitrage trading, exchanges can't be trusted. Ask yourself, is the risk worth it?
Arbitrage trading is not about you to trust an exchange or exchanges. Arbitrage trading is profitable. But if not done rightly and if the arbitrage did not go rightly, it may lead to loss. Trading generally is either you gain or you lose, but it is you that will look for strategies that can let you make profit.

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September 14, 2023, 08:34:52 PM
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From mid-2021 to late 2021 I participated in crypto Arbitrage which I made some cool cash,  but here are some risks involved in engaging in crypto Arbitrage.

1. The risk of Moving funds back and forth whenever the opportunity presents; Here you stand at risk of losing your funds at any time because you will always be in a ghast to catch up with that slight price difference with the other exchange before it goes back to normal and may not be that careful, plus other mistakes you could encounter on the process.


2. Some exchanges where you can catch up on this arbitrage opportunity don't have enough liquidity and you may be at risk of not getting your others executed ASAP, thereby reducing your chances of profiting, and you may run at a loss due to withdrawal fees in a case where profit is not realized.

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September 15, 2023, 12:59:24 PM
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1. The risk of Moving funds back and forth whenever the opportunity presents; Here you stand at risk of losing your funds at any time because you will always be in a ghast to catch up with that slight price difference with the other exchange before it goes back to normal and may not be that careful, plus other mistakes you could encounter on the process.
That's one way of doing arbitrage trading but another way which is less risky is to have funds in both places and perform the trades using those funds. For example you have both bitcoin and dollar on exchange A and B. If bitcoin price is higher on exchange A compared to B, you sell some of your bitcoins in A and buy the same amount (or more) in B. This way your net-worth increases while not moving any funds at all.

After some time and many trades where the equilibrium between your balances is no longer there, you can transfer some funds to reach equilibrium again.

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September 19, 2023, 12:13:32 PM
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So you are saying exchanges are locking/suspending accounts or trades because they believe the person is doing arbitrage trading?

I don't think so and there is no reason for them to do so because they are not going to lose anything even the other exchange because it is going to bring more transaction fees and withdrawal fees for them which mostly contribute to the exchange's profits.
As much as I wasn't directional in that, it's not impossible. And if I may ask, have you ever tried to research how exchanges lock accounts and give no valid reason for some? Maybe that will tell you why you should be protective of your account without drawing suspicious activity to it to avoid giving them an edge to do so.

Exchanges can not use arbitrary trading to enrich themselves.
Says who?

I've lived in the regulated financial market environment for a very long time to know the sharp practices happening there, and brokers, financial institutions and banks are not innocent in this at all. There are manipulations everywhere, not to talk of the highly unregulated cryptocurrency market. You should trust yourself alone, all those companies are always looking for loopholes and the slightest opportunity to make more money. Manipulating prices for a little while for arbitrage gain by their associates can't be a hard task since they control the system.

When it comes to businesses, trust none absolutely, they won't just do it too obviously. But saying it's not possible means you are too trusting humans and don't know that sharp practices happen even in the sanest places.

1. The risk of Moving funds back and forth whenever the opportunity presents; Here you stand at risk of losing your funds at any time because you will always be in a ghast to catch up with that slight price difference with the other exchange before it goes back to normal and may not be that careful, plus other mistakes you could encounter on the process.
That's one way of doing arbitrage trading but another way which is less risky is to have funds in both places and perform the trades using those funds. For example you have both bitcoin and dollar on exchange A and B. If bitcoin price is higher on exchange A compared to B, you sell some of your bitcoins in A and buy the same amount (or more) in B. This way your net-worth increases while not moving any funds at all.

After some time and many trades where the equilibrium between your balances is no longer there, you can transfer some funds to reach equilibrium again.
I must say you shared the most value here as I never thought of this way and I'm sure many would not. But it requires a whole lot of money to gain through this approach as it would have been more earning for the arbitrageur if the whole money is moved in and out entirely rather than dividing them among exchanges. Take for example, if you are arbitraging with $50,000 and see the opportunity in two exchanges, you get to make more when the whole $50,000 performs the action successfully, but would make less, properly half of the deal if you share the money into two among the two exchanges.

Regardless, your style is the best I've seen so far, it lessens the risk and suspicion even if one is trading with exchanges that frown at it.

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September 19, 2023, 02:03:45 PM
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So you are saying exchanges are locking/suspending accounts or trades because they believe the person is doing arbitrage trading?

I don't think so and there is no reason for them to do so because they are not going to lose anything even the other exchange because it is going to bring more transaction fees and withdrawal fees for them which mostly contribute to the exchange's profits.
As much as I wasn't directional in that, it's not impossible. And if I may ask, have you ever tried to research how exchanges lock accounts and give no valid reason for some? Maybe that will tell you why you should be protective of your account without drawing suspicious activity to it to avoid giving them an edge to do so.
Exchange accounts are locked/terminated for various reasons but if any exchange is done without valid reason then the exchange's reputation is at stake here. As far as I know, arbitrage trading is not against their terms as I said previously so even if they prove that you are doing it still it can't be a reason to serve to lock your funds.


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September 19, 2023, 02:25:18 PM
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Arbitrage trading is short way to earn profit but at the same time it is too risky because many times you have to process saveral dex/bridge to use arbitrage and it is not for every one. arbitrage trading became profitable when any exchange stop the withdrawal or deposit which lead to price change in different exchanges.

I traded two time arbitrage trading and lost 1k$ when Solona faced network problem and all exchanges stopped Sol network deposit/withdraw. That time many people used arbitrage trading for GMT token which deposit was only opens in Bitget exchange. This was a straight 20% change/profit and only way is to use warmhole bridge to get SOL. unfortunately I used wrong network where I got Sol(warmhole). I was not aware of it and I send tokens to Binance and my didn't got any fund because it was not real Solona token and the only usecase was to bridge back.

My friend did saveral time and Bitget didn't banned his account. I think this is not true and i have not hear that any users account has been banned by exchange for arbitrage trading.

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September 19, 2023, 04:52:49 PM
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I must say you shared the most value here as I never thought of this way and I'm sure many would not. But it requires a whole lot of money to gain through this approach as it would have been more earning for the arbitrageur if the whole money is moved in and out entirely rather than dividing them among exchanges. Take for example, if you are arbitraging with $50,000 and see the opportunity in two exchanges, you get to make more when the whole $50,000 performs the action successfully, but would make less, properly half of the deal if you share the money into two among the two exchanges.

Regardless, your style is the best I've seen so far, it lessens the risk and suspicion even if one is trading with exchanges that frown at it.
That's true, there are pros and cons to this method too.
But also sometimes there are cases where you already have funds on different exchanges, like having some bitcoin and dollars on Coinbase for your bitcoin trading where you've also linked your bank account then also having some altcoins and tether on Binance for your altcoin/token trading.

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