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September 17, 2023, 09:59:57 PM
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Everyone keep coming with his own theory thinking that that's the best way to give an approach to the economy and this is one of the reasons you discover we keep having new theories each day and this is in other way making things gets more complicated because the way the scientific approach applies to human lifes is different from the economic approach, but each has to work along with each other to form a unified result towards the development of the economy in each of their research and have thesame take on their roles to tackle economical challenges.

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September 18, 2023, 11:11:13 AM
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I am from a 3rd world country so I know how it goes very well. Corruption everywhere. The thing you have mentioned about projects getting started and getting finished. That's because people involved in these projects are always forced by their co-workers or higher-level persons to make a budget where they can make an extra profit. One of my friends is in civil engineering. He told me that if the whole project needs 200 million, they will make a budget of 800 million. And the corruption is so much in there that the original budget which is 200 million will never get used fully. they will cut the percentage from that too. Making it a 100 million budget project with low-quality materials.
Where corruption happens this much, how can we imagine the government listening to some opinion from an economist? And if you go against it, you will be tagged in such a way that you will never be able to continue to work and other sectors or companies will never accept you for that tag.
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September 19, 2023, 05:41:04 AM
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Not all economist carry the same view and opinions on how to go about making positive changes in the economy and while they could recommend policies, they actually can’t implement them.

You wouldn’t fault just the economist for failing to contribute sufficiently to curb economic problems in a country and the world at large.
In a country, Representatives in government are the ones who votes on new policies being put forward and they tend to vote more on policies that would put more money in their pockets and that of their already wealthy donors thus constantly increasing the gap between the rich and the poor.

It is true that Reed's frustration with economists and their inability to effectively prevent economic crisis is a sentiment shared by many but not all of them agree with his perspective. it is important to understand that every field of science has its limitations and challenges. One of the primary reasons economists often struggle to predict and prevent economic crisis is the complexities of economic systems.

As far as narrowing gap between rich and poor is concerned, in my opinion, the most effective approach nvolves education and skill development, which can be put into action by governments with the required political commitment.
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September 19, 2023, 07:59:30 AM
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Innovation doesn't have to be just about technology. But innovation must also exist in relation to economic science and economic practice. Likewise in economic philosophy. We should not rely too much on knowledge from the past. We have to make small improvements and adapt it to current world conditions. Adapted to human conditions and continuously developing technology. Examples are fiat and digital money such as Bitcoin. The people who don't want to accept bitcoin are those who are stuck with the old thinking about fiat. And it is difficult for them to accept new things that are actually present not to replace but to add to the rich diversity of payment instruments which can become alternatives that develop according to the times and technology.

But the step of creating a CBDC is also a good step, it's just that currently people prefer freedom and a decentralized system. The point is, if we want to develop economically, we have to think according to the times and we also have to think outside the box. Sometimes stepping outside of common thinking can bring big changes. As long as it is in accordance with the regulations of the country where we are located and in accordance with human values.

But regarding the economic crisis, I think it all started not from economic ideas. But all of this happened due to the greed of certain parties which weakened the economic balance and an economic crisis occurred.

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September 19, 2023, 08:18:54 AM
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In my view, economists have limitations in conveying what's valid and likely to work well in every piece of advice they offer. An economic crisis arising from unpaid debt is an unexpected event, clear evidence that economic failure in a country can occur at any time.

This issue extends beyond the realm of economists, where there's still a fair share of unpredictability in every prediction made. Relying solely on knowledge and logic isn't sufficient. It all requires a dash of luck to ensure things go according to plan.
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September 19, 2023, 12:49:01 PM
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There have been lots of reactions about the role of economists to the recent world financial crisis; inflation, food hike, increase of poverty rate etc. I thought about it, when I was reading this story of John Reed as Citicorp CEO from the book "Origin of Wealth", that economists do not efficiently represent the world in times of economic crisis. You can read the story to better understand the thread;

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"In 1970, Citicorp, along with other major American bank had lent aggressively to the government of developing countries, in particular to those in latin America. Reed’s predecessor, Walter Wriston, had proclaimed that such lending was “safe banking” be soverign government did not default on their debts. Wriston was proved badly wrong. When in August 1982 the Mexican government was unable to roll over its massive debt This set of a chain of event that resulted global financial crisis. The next several years saw widespread defaults, currency devaluation, and economic collapse in several countries. When the dust settled, millions of poor people found themselves poorer and banks found that $300 billion had evaporated from their balance sheet. Citicorp alone lost $1billion in a year and was sitting on 13billion in bad debts".

Few questions from Reed

Reed wanted to know how it happened? how the crisis had happened? and how it could be prevailed from happening again?  He consulted several experts, involving leading economists from Academic, Wall Street and government. Reed himself was well versed in economics from his student days at MIT. Yet the economists had little new or useful to say about the crisis. In fact reed believed that their recommendation during the crisis had been dead wrong.

Reed wanted a new way of doing things in economics, the old methods don't contribute to positive changes.

think of it, a high number of the ideas of the industry or fields are more than 100 years old. Then the economics formal theory and mathematical theory are now handicapped by impractical assumptions or directly contradicted by real-world data.

What do you think about economists, who study the theories of economics and brag about being vast in the study of economics, yet don't help or contribute sufficiently to control or stop world economic meltdown?  

You see, when there's an economic problem and you inquire about economists, everyone comes with their theories and opinions. They sit together and decide which is best ( it depends on your definition of best though), probably suppressing the solution that would have worked most.
 
Also, economists see situations and problems in terms of long-term and and short-term. There may be a solution at hand, but that solution has to last for years, probably decades before you see its results.

And lastly, Henry Ford once said, "If everyone understood how our monetary system works, our economic problems would be solved before tomorrow morning" ... But unfortunately, that's not the case. Economists bring their theories and possible solutions, but the people, the individuals in the country are the ones to actually carry out those solutions. Take inflation for example, it isn't caused by economists but they bring up policies to prevent, manage, or stop it. The effectiveness of those policies depends on the individuals. It depends on whether they save or spend, whether they invest or build up liabilities, whether the private business export or import... Etc.
So, I don't think all economists do is brag. They're probably working really hard, harder than you think to stabilize the world's economy.
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September 19, 2023, 06:23:01 PM
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We cannot blame economists for the global financial crisis.  Economists only present their opinions and do not implement them.  The whole system is responsible for the financial crisis of a country.  Here the failure of the government is the most.  Lack of government accountability.  I believe that the desire of the powerful to make their own pockets heavy is responsible for the economic collapse of a country.  The more responsible the government of a country is, and the more vocal it is about its duties, the better the country is.  On the other hand, the more dishonest the system of the country, the more the consequences of the country.  A dishonest system will eventually bankrupt a country.

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September 20, 2023, 07:44:48 AM
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I am from a 3rd world country so I know how it goes very well. Corruption everywhere. The thing you have mentioned about projects getting started and getting finished. That's because people involved in these projects are always forced by their co-workers or higher-level persons to make a budget where they can make an extra profit. One of my friends is in civil engineering. He told me that if the whole project needs 200 million, they will make a budget of 800 million. And the corruption is so much in there that the original budget which is 200 million will never get used fully. they will cut the percentage from that too. Making it a 100 million budget project with low-quality materials.
Where corruption happens this much, how can we imagine the government listening to some opinion from an economist? And if you go against it, you will be tagged in such a way that you will never be able to continue to work and other sectors or companies will never accept you for that tag.
To be fair that has been the case for politics for over 2000+ years. Even during the "democratic" period of Rome, even though it wasn't as "democratic" as it is today, we still saw a ton of corruption and that was an issue. Corruption and politics go hand in hand and there seems to be no end to it at all.

We need to realize that it is not going to be too simple to get rid of it neither, there is absolutely no incentives about it neither. There are corrupted people who are beloved by their public as well, just because they are not the other side. Which is why we are not going to see economics will get any decent anytime soon, we are going to end up with a result that would be ending up with a lot of trouble that could make it worth a lot more.

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September 20, 2023, 08:11:55 AM
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That's because leaders and people don't really listen to any of them, if we really did follow or heed their advice, there's a big chance that we're going to see a financial prosperity but no, their advices are being riddled with holes by big businesses and banks because in all of the advices given by the best economists out there, the big businesses and banks are the one that's going to be affected negatively and so they actively discredit economists when they talk about something big.
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September 20, 2023, 01:16:15 PM
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Corruption and politics go hand in hand and there seems to be no end to it at all.
I like your words a lot. This is the real truth and there's nothing that could deny this fact. This has been the case for so long and there's nothing stopping it. People will always try to find their own benefits and take advantage of every situation if they get a chance. As long as this exists, corruption will continue to exist along with it. And as the world is changing every day, there's no stopping it. It will just continue to grow more and more.

This is why we need to face every difficulty on our own. When you start to help yourself, in that process you also help others. This is the best way to make this easy. As long as everyone starts doing it, not only the country's economy but the global economy could be improved. Fix your personal economic situation first and that will help everyone. That's the idea and it's all about people following this path.
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