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What is this thing? Topics: 1. DisclaimerBefore even starting to read this thread, read carefully the following statement: VERY IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER
This is a non-profit project. That is a no profit for the user. With such a setup, you won't probably mine a single satoshi in your lifetime. This is NOT for economic profit. The total loss of monetary funds invested in this project is almost inevitable. 2. What is NerdMinerNerdMiner is a project that originated from Valerio Vaccaro's idea of HanSolo mining. Valerio is the ideator of "Satoshi Spritz", a format for informal local meetups of bitcoiners that is now spread all over Italy in more than 20 instances. During these meetups, typically held in Bitcoin-friendly pubs, Valerio presented some gadgetry: Bitcoin nodes, LN nodes, and LN ATMs, but a proper mining device was missing. So, he decided to close that gap and started coding. He used some commodity programmable board and assembled the very first instance of his portable mining device. As he is, of course, an übernerd, he dubbed his device HanSolo Miner. That was essential software with an uncanny graphical interface and limited features. Bitmaker discovered the project and, in the spirit of pure Open-Source Software, forked it, rebranded NerdMiner, and added a friendly graphical interface and a few more features. NerdMiner can run on a variety of boards, but the most common one is the Lilygo S3: The following is the full list of boards capable of running firmware 1.61. - -- LILYGO T-Display S3
- -- ESP32-WROOM-32, ESP32-Devkit1..
- -- LILYGO T-QT
- -- LILYGO T-Display 1.14
- -- LILYGO T-Display S3 AMOLED
- -- LILYGO T-Dongle S3
- -- ESP32-2432S028R 2,8"
The latest release of the firmware added support to other boards, and many more are coming. This board has a power consumption of less than 2W, meaning that you can power it for a whole year for way less than 5 EUR. With the latest firmware, the total hash power of this device is 55Kh/s maximum (peak value, not sustained). This means that the NerdMiner has an efficiency ratio of 36,360 J/GHs. An S19 XP Hydro has an efficiency of 0.021J/GHs. The NerdMiner is 1,500,000 times less efficient than a S19 miner. Once online, this is the Pool where the NerdMiners connect to: https://web.public-pool.io/#/Many pools would reject NerdMiners or similar low hash power devices because of the too-low hash rate. Publicpool will accept even the smallest mining machine without any fees. Only miners above 50 TH/s will incur in a 1.5% mining pool. Please note that the 4,500 NerdMiners have a hash power 10^-10 times of a single Antminer. This means that it would take 2,750,000,000 S3 NerdMiners to make a single S19. Imagine giving every person on planet Earth 1 NerdMiner: this would equal hash power to just three S19. Remember that the Bitcoin network is currently powered by 2.5 million equivalent of those machines. This means that a single S19 is expected to mine a block a block every 46 years. If 2,500,000 S19 are able to find a block every 10 minutes on average, a single S3 NerdMiner will take 125,570,776,256 years (basically 10 times the age of the universe) to find a block. This should persuade you that you won't mine anything during your lifetime with this setup. If you want to further deep-dive into this, I suggest you to read the following link: Bitcoin – Are NerdMiner and BitAxe profitable?In addition to that, I worked on an Excel spreadsheet: 3. Why it is relevantWhy all this fuss if the prospected earning is null? Why lose money and time if the Pool won't mine a block in our entire lifetime? Well, the reason is twofold: Learning Bitcoin mining is a capital-intensive, ultra-competitive industry. Many users wouldn't consider participating in this part of the Bitcoin protocol. With NerdMiner, you can mine in production with a little initial and running cost. This will allow you to deal with the actual and fundamental dynamics of mining: running the hardware, managing the pools, interacting with mining protocols, etc. The learning curve is steep, but this device can allow you to practically learn something that would otherwise be extremely difficult. In addition to that you will learn something about the basic mining operations, temperature management, compiling firmwares etc. In this project Learning something new vastly overcomes the financial aspect of the whole project. Bitcoin canary in the mine Bitcoin is an open-source and distributed technology. As long as every user can run the network's primary function in an open-source, affordable manner, the assumptions of the Bitcoin technology will be maintained valid. | | | My personal DIY setup for basic Bitcoin Protocol Functions (credit card for reference) |
Now, you can run a full Bitcoin node with a few hundred dollars of hardware value, a Bitcoin miner with 50 dollars, and secure your private keys with a DIY hardware wallet for 15 dollars. With your Bitcoin node, you will be able to validate the blockchain and transactions; with a mining node, you can add a block to the blockchain; and with a hardware wallet, you can sign a new transaction securely. All this with open-source software and, in some cases, open-source hardware. Of course, you don't have all the bells and whistles of commercial solutions, or in the case of the mining hardware, you won't have any real chance of competing for the block. Still, the important thing is that you are doing the exact computation of a professional miner. Your small NerdMiner is playing on a statistically levelled play with the most advanced miners. Only the incredible capital they put into this competitive industry grants them an advantage, as the PoW dictates, not a technical protocol advantage over your hardware. The network's decentralisation will be granted as long as simple users can perform all the required protocol functions, a mining device, a Bitcoin node and a hardware wallet, all through open-source projects with limited financial and technical effort. This is of utmost importance for the Bitcoin protocol to succeed. 4. How Do I Get a NerdMinerI will quote Valerio Vaccaro's post here. You have three options. 1 | DIY | Buying all the pieces on ALI, flashing the device and solving the (few) issues that it implies. You will have fun, learn something and save some money. | 2 | Official NerdMiner Website | You will support the developers of NerdMiners, helping them to improve their work with new releases, with increased usability and new functionalities. | 3 | Getting in contact with other bitcoiners and having fun together | Meeting other bitcoiners IRL at local meetups, buying their NerdMiners, sustaining the local community and exchanging knowledge. This is how the virus spread in Italy. | | | |
5. NerdMiner SetupSetting up a NerdMiner is really simple. Actually, you have at least a couple of methods, the easy way, and the "hardcore" way. It' 's up to you, your time, and your technical capabilities to decide which one to go. I went the easy way, and I must say it was really simple. The process is described step by step on this NerdMiner website: NerdMiner Setup GuideOnce I get the easy way, I am intended to start playing with the software, to get some tricks. Basically, you have to: - Connect the Nerminer to a USB port of your PC
- Connect to the the website https://bitmaker-hub.github.io/diyflasher/ to flash your device
- Click a button to flash the NerdMiner
- Connect to your NerdMiner via Wi-FI (connect to NerdMinerAP with your mobile, just as per instruction on screen
- Set up the Wi-Fi credentials and a Bitcoin address where to deposit your satoshi (just in case).
Very easy. When your NerdMiner is connected, you can connect to the pool and monitor its functioning. Just open a browser and reach: https://web.public-pool.io/#/app/YournerminerBitcoinaddress to monitor it. | | | Here you can control the mining stats of your NerdMiner(s) connected to the pool. |
There are also a few physical buttons to monitor the status of your NerdMiner: 6. CommunityNerdMiner has a thriving community. Everything centres around the Telegram channel, where a nice community of enthusiasts has developed a few fun ideas: You are invited to join this crazy community! 7. Resources 8. Other projectsNerdMiner is not the only open-source mining project. There are other projects going beyond that. Some of them are even trying to develop a (sort of) open-source hardware. ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ | | Han Solo Mining | Where all this started. Valerio Vaccaro is still developing HanSolo miners. He is adding support to new boards and improving the current software. All this work might eventually be merged in the NerdMiner code. | BitAxe | An open-source software on a (quasi) open-source hardware. The smallest ever ASICs made of a single Antminer S17 chip. Mining 520 GH/s on a 10W consumption. Here you have a Telegram Group.
This project also has a thread on the forum: Open Source Bitcoin ASIC miner project that uses 2x BM1387 (Antminer S9).
| CPUMiner-Android | An Android application wrapper for Pooler's CPUMiner. Ubiquotous mining with your old Android phone. | | |
VERY IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER
This is a non-profit project. That is a no profit for the user. With such a setup, you probably won't mine a single satoshi in your lifetime. This is NOT for economic profit. The total loss of monetary funds invested in this project is almost inevitable.
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I know it is a lottery ticket with costly initial spending than simply buying a lottery ticket. I wonder more that why Nerdminers don't simply do solo mining because if they get superb luckiness, find a Bitcoin block, they can enjoy all the block reward, 6.25 BTC. Joining a mining pool and with their super small hashrate, they will not receive much rewards proportionally. The odds is not to compete with other miners with bigger hash rate but how to solve Bitcoin puzzle with very less powerful hash rate and face with very high difficulty on the Bitcoin network. According to this article [1], Nerdminer is about 10 million times less powerful than BitAxe miner. Bitcoin – Are Nerdminer and BitAxe profitable?
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September 16, 2023, 09:22:39 AM Last edit: September 16, 2023, 01:01:25 PM by fillippone |
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I know it is a lottery ticket with costly initial spending than simply buying a lottery ticket. I wonder more that why Nerdminers don't simply do solo mining because if they get superb luckiness, find a Bitcoin block, they can enjoy all the block reward, 6.25 BTC. Joining a mining pool and with their super small hashrate, they will not receive much rewards proportionally. The odds is not to compete with other miners with bigger hash rate but how to solve Bitcoin puzzle with very less powerful hash rate and face with very high difficulty on the Bitcoin network.
This is not how public pool works. You get the whole coin if you mine. And basically you get nothing if other in the pool mine something: Pleb mining (under 50TH/s miners) mine with NO FEES Miners with > 50TH/s will incur a 1.5% fee, a portion of which will go back into open source Bitcoin mining
Thank you for this reference. I will add it to the OP.
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Wow, interesting, is it an innovation from Italy?
I'm not Nerd and also not Miner at all but for professionals, it seems to be an really interesting opportunity to do research about mining and it's no need to organize an expencive miner from China to study it because your described veariant is all meant to address it if a professional wants to do a research or a study. Maybe your topic will have better audience in experts section of Bitcointalk like "Development & Technical Discussion". For an innovation viewpoint, it's an attractive consideration even when it's not economically intended to generate much coin. But if I understand your post correctly, it is not intended to engage in profit, just educational and innovalive purpose, while BitAxe is intended to generate a profit of mined coin?
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September 16, 2023, 04:24:25 PM |
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Wow, interesting, is it an innovation from Italy?
I'm not Nerd and also not Miner at all but for professionals, it seems to be an really interesting opportunity to do research about mining and it's no need to organize an expencive miner from China to study it because your described veariant is all meant to address it if a professional wants to do a research or a study. Maybe your topic will have better audience in experts section of Bitcointalk like "Development & Technical Discussion". For an innovation viewpoint, it's an attractive consideration even when it's not economically intended to generate much coin. But if I understand your post correctly, it is not intended to engage in profit, just educational and innovalive purpose, while BitAxe is intended to generate a profit of mined coin?
Thanks for the suggestion. I will abide to moderators about the more correct board where to post this. Regarding profitability, you are right, Nerdminer is not profitable, and all the "profit" comes from the knowledge, not the sats. I will add some excel computation later. Also bitaxe is not profitable, as it is orders or magnitude less efficient than a modern ASICs. The only relevant difference is that the chip is an actual ASIC, not a generic chip as for the S3
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Also bitaxe is not profitable, as it is orders or magnitude less efficient than a modern ASICs. The only relevant difference is that the chip is an actual ASIC, not a generic chip as for the S3
Okay it is nice to have your confirmation and to know it is not profitable. Because I was confused, when it says here it is for profitability by calling it efficient and competitive: Also, it says "democratize Bitcoin mining" but it doesn't democratize Bitcoin mining at all because it's a marketing lie from BitAxe because it won't be bought by a large number of people to create hashpower due to lack of profitability?
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I added a small spreadsheet on the OP. Clicking on that you can have a real time overview of how your nerdminer compares to the total hashpower, with associated silly statistics on how many times the universe-age period you have to wait to mine a block!
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Interesting little project that it's relative easy to make it, I know LILYGO T-Display is dirt cheap to buy and it's widely available on internet. Code for nerdminer is open source and that is great, but I think this would be useful only if I had time machine to get back in past and actually mine some BTC
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Interesting little project that it's relative easy to make it, I know LILYGO T-Display is dirt cheap to buy and it's widely available on internet. Code for nerdminer is open source and that is great, but I think this would be useful only if I had time machine to get back in past and actually mine some BTC Mixed feelings about this. Of course, going back to 2010, when these devices could have been used to mine some bitcoin would be extremely useful, with or without a nerdminer. But also, for the twofold reason I explained in the OP, these are useful gadgetry for at least the couple of reasons I outliner there.
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While it's fun project, i find it's a shame ASIC chip isn't used in any way. By ASIC chip, i mean something like BM1387 (which used on Antminer S17 and GekkoScience Compac F). Although on bright side, they can promote their device to altcoin (which can be mined with CPU) community such as Monero. I didn't know there are other Bitcoin solo pool besides solo ckpool. Do you know how reliable is it compared with solo ckpool? Han Solo Mining | Where all this started. Valerio Vaccaro is still developing HanSolo miners. He is adding support to new boards and improving the current software. All this work might eventually be merged in the nerdminer code. |
You forget to include actual link for Han Solo Mining.
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While it's fun project, i find it's a shame ASIC chip isn't used in any way. By ASIC chip, i mean something like BM1387 (which used on Antminer S17 and GekkoScience Compac F).
For this, you can go to the Bitaxe project, who uses exactly that chip, or the S19’s chip in the Ultra version. All the references are in OP. I didn't know there are other Bitcoin solo pool besides solo ckpool. Do you know how reliable is it compared with solo ckpool?
Sincerely, I have no idea. I guess the pool hasn’t mined a single bitcoin so far. But I think you can join other pools as well. You forget to include actual link for Han Solo Mining.
That has been fixed, thanks.
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I didn't know there are other Bitcoin solo pool besides solo ckpool. Do you know how reliable is it compared with solo ckpool?
Some articles with reported found blocks by Solo mining pool ckpool. Yet another solo Bitcoin miner solved a valid block, earning a reward worth over $220,000Solo Bitcoin miner defies odds to mine valid BTC block, gets $150K block rewardAnother Lucky Solo Miner Nabs $160,000 Bitcoin Block RewardSolo CK pool's miners found 3 blocks according to three articles since 2022, maybe more I don't know but I see this information is very confusing. Mining a valid BTC block solo is so rare that the event has occurred only 270 times out of the 700,000 blocks produced in the last 13 years.
I understand it is super rarely nowadays for a solo miner to find a Bitcoin block but how about early blocks of Bitcoin blockchain? 270 times in all 13 years of Bitcoin blockchain history is a very low figure. Finding more, the figure is like for SoloCK pool only, not for all solo miners. You Can Mine Bitcoin From Your Pocket for Less Than $400The chances of actually winning a Bitcoin block reward from a single rig is about one in 1.1 billion, according to one estimate. Hence the comparison to a lotto draw. SoloCK miners have snagged six blocks over the past six months and 257 over the past eight years.
List of blocks found by Solo CK pool miners. They found a first block in 2014 at the block #321919. Most of found blocks are before 2017. Sincerely, I have no idea. I guess the pool hasn’t mined a single bitcoin so far.
Likely that pool has yet mined any Bitcoin block so far. There are 99 mining pools in this list, SoloCK is there but HAN is not.
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What a great post fillippone, I like the idea of this type of miner. I have seen the USB miners which are very compact and serve the purpose however this miner does two things with one. I just checked on the website, fully assembled with a default black fan costs 56 € and the best part is it's power consumption. costing you only 2$ a year to have it powered, can give anyone a sense of mining without actually being heavily invested or taking care of big machinery in their small sized apartments.
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If you are still undecided, this is the definitive comparison chart: Now you officially have no reason not to buy a nerdminer! Just for the lols, guys.
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Have you tried pairing it with one of those tiny fans to see if the airflow improvement would be good enough to deal with the thermal throttling so it could sustain that hashrate? The following is the full list of boards capable of running 1.61.
And " 1.6.2" as well There are 99 mining pools in this list, SoloCK is there but HAN is not.Refer to " this" part.
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September 22, 2023, 12:59:18 AM |
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I saw the image from HAN solo miner yesterday and see Solo CK pool there. I felt strange but did not read the part you helped me to notice. Thank you. Thanks for the articles, although i'm already aware of that. But what i actually asked was technical comparison such as uptime, latency and block propagation speed. Although it's hard to compare block propagation speed between two pool.
Block propagation speed, do you imply about this? SoloCk pool information. If you click on Backward arrow, you will see a diagram (I don't know what it is called exactly) for blocks found by Solo CK pool in previous years. It looks like coding activities from coders on Github. Under that diagram, you have a list of all blocks found by Solo CK pool. Height
803,821 795,268 793,607 790,958 782,867 782,845 780,525 780,112 777,942 772,793 752,868 733,739 721,575 721,310 720,175 718,379 718,124 712,217 706,369 689,382 660,588 632,928 621,073 618,616 600,292 566,324 533,171 528,266 517,871 503,670 500,433 497,143 495,939 489,739 486,481 484,634 483,272 481,738 479,926 477,392 476,641 470,010 464,144 460,488 459,083 453,586 453,478 450,328 447,476 445,852 445,700 445,574 445,453 445,184 445,130 439,843 438,480 437,423 437,179 437,084 436,237 435,522 435,447 434,586 434,122 434,068 433,676 433,648 432,875 432,831 432,676 432,410 432,266 432,229 431,750 430,218 430,118 429,912 429,853 429,098 428,055 425,402 425,293 424,265 423,935 422,592 420,960 420,845 420,115 416,798 416,419 414,214 413,847 411,709 411,682 410,586 409,719 408,810 408,758 407,987 407,691 407,492 404,180 402,584 401,934 401,896 401,746 401,604 401,205 401,092 400,982 400,770 400,767 400,331 400,030 399,709 398,047 396,990 396,941 395,783 395,087 394,946 394,940 394,871 394,522 393,904 392,434 392,242 391,994 391,878 390,217 390,122 389,685 388,950 388,744 388,677 388,540 388,533 387,943 387,759 387,490 387,235 386,774 386,226 385,691 385,022 384,882 384,213 384,054 383,693 383,489 382,903 382,610 382,552 382,305 382,279 382,115 381,894 381,860 381,610 381,311 381,286 380,269 379,709 379,339 379,035 378,944 378,765 378,328 377,713 377,550 376,878 376,717 376,196 374,057 373,891 373,814 373,703 373,647 373,334 373,146 373,137 372,974 372,935 372,306 371,637 369,506 369,164 369,083 369,030 368,725 368,152 368,108 367,990 367,231 367,073 367,056 366,796 365,342 364,927 364,822 364,695 364,037 363,679 362,799 362,389 361,346 360,687 360,325 359,823 359,502 359,100 358,774 358,682 358,109 357,922 357,904 357,840 357,759 357,513 357,271 357,041 357,022 356,928 356,912 356,675 356,546 356,287 356,223 356,026 355,517 354,990 354,905 354,267 354,133 353,879 353,759 352,532 352,484 352,163 352,002 351,709 351,364 349,946 349,800 346,340 344,466 342,725 341,702 341,566 339,391 339,021 338,663 338,629 338,121 337,531 336,004 333,844 332,878 326,617 321,919
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This is a non-profit project. That is a no profit for the user. With such a setup, you won't probably mine a single satoshi in your lifetime. This is NOT for economic profit. The total loss of monetary funds invested in this project is almost inevitable. ~ The nerdminer is 1,500,000 times less efficient than a miner. What would it take to add a small ASIC miner into this? Would it be possible to take 1/1000th of the chips of an ASIC miner, and instead of 3500W run at 5W (a bit more per hash but still small enough to run off USB power)? It would be great for decentralization to have millions of people do some mining, but I guess the market isn't big enough to make production economically viable. You'd have to produce many millions of them to get the price low enough to sell them, and still they'd have to compete against millions of ASIC miners that are a thousand times more powerful. I'd like it though! It would still be not for profit, but at least there would be some chance to find a block. i find it's a shame ASIC chip isn't used in any way. It really sucks that laws of scale made miners so large, power hungry and loud to be efficient.
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This is a non-profit project. That is a no profit for the user. With such a setup, you won't probably mine a single satoshi in your lifetime. This is NOT for economic profit. The total loss of monetary funds invested in this project is almost inevitable. ~ The nerdminer is 1,500,000 times less efficient than a miner. What would it take to add a small ASIC miner into this? Would it be possible to take 1/1000th of the chips of an ASIC miner, and instead of 3500W run at 5W (a bit more per hash but still small enough to run off USB power)? It would be great for decentralization to have millions of people do some mining, but I guess the market isn't big enough to make production economically viable. You'd have to produce many millions of them to get the price low enough to sell them, and still they'd have to compete against millions of ASIC miners that are a thousand times more powerful. I'd like it though! It would still be not for profit, but at least there would be some chance to find a block. i find it's a shame ASIC chip isn't used in any way. It really sucks that laws of scale made miners so large, power hungry and loud to be efficient. This is exactely the Bitaxe project I described in the OP. It’s a 300nthish of a S17 or of a S19, depending on the version. It utilises a single instance of the very same ASICS chip instead of the roughly 300 you can find on an industrial miner. As you are the second one asking this, I probably didn’t put enough emphasis on this in the OP. I am going to fix it soon.
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This is exactely the Bitaxe project I described in the OP. I didn't check the link before. I did just now: $95 for 1/330th of the power of an ASIC miner. That's 1/41th of the price. It would need to cost about $15-20 to be worth it.
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This is exactely the Bitaxe project I described in the OP. I didn't check the link before. I did just now: $95 for 1/330th of the power of an ASIC miner. That's 1/41th of the price. It would need to cost about $15-20 to be worth it. Mining efficiency is the same at chip level. Of course having 300 chip together make the machine more efficient, and for this reason industrial miners are built with so many chips. Bitaxe cost is outrageous, we do agree (and I guess the final cost could be double of what you mentioned above). Bear in mind that the project is till in the tinkering phase: both software and hardware are continuously updated and optimised. This keeps cost high, because limit the volume production. I guess that once platform stabilise prices will go down sharply.
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It would need to cost about $15-20 to be worth it.
Mining efficiency is the same at chip level. Of course having 300 chip together make the machine more efficient, and for this reason industrial miners are built with so many chips. Bitaxe cost is outrageous, we do agree (and I guess the final cost could be double of what you mentioned above). Bear in mind that the project is till in the tinkering phase: both software and hardware are continuously updated and optimised. This keeps cost high, because limit the volume production. I guess that once platform stabilise prices will go down sharply.
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But also, for the twofold reason I explained in the OP, these are useful gadgetry for at least the couple of reasons I outliner there.
I know for a fact that you can use LILYGO T-Display to create bitcoin wallet, something similar like DIY hardware wallet, and I also seen people are using them to make DIY bitcoin clock showing price and blocks, LNURLPoS, etc. I wrote about some of thisprojects before, so anyone who don't want to use this device as Nerdminer anymore can easily transition to any other project. It really sucks that laws of scale made miners so large, power hungry and loud to be efficient.
There are some near-silent asic miners, but this cases or enclosures are only making asic miners bigger
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It would need to cost about $15-20 to be worth it. Mining efficiency is the same at chip level. Of course having 300 chip together make the machine more efficient, and for this reason industrial miners are built with so many chips. Bitaxe cost is outrageous, we do agree How about this: put one of those chips in other hardware! If that would be possible without raising the price per hash too much, it could have a market. Then again, I wouldn't keep my Bitcoin mining hardware wallet connected to a PC 24/7 just for this, and I wouldn't want it to be very hot all the time. I regret missing the days that a home computer could mine Bitcoin.
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It would need to cost about $15-20 to be worth it. Mining efficiency is the same at chip level. Of course having 300 chip together make the machine more efficient, and for this reason industrial miners are built with so many chips. Bitaxe cost is outrageous, we do agree How about this: put one of those chips in other hardware! If that would be possible without raising the price per hash too much, it could have a market. Then again, I wouldn't keep my Bitcoin mining hardware wallet connected to a PC 24/7 just for this, and I wouldn't want it to be very hot all the time. I regret missing the days that a home computer could mine Bitcoin.There is no “other hardware” to connect to that chip. That is a closed-source, proprietary undocumented chip. The community is trying to squeeze hash rate out if this with open-sourc, custom-built hardware. The bitaxe is self-sufficient. It doesn’t need to be connected to other devices (we might not be there as of today, but very close): neither PC nor HW.
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In my forum wanderings, I just discovered that BITAXE has a thread on the forum: Open Source Bitcoin ASIC miner project that uses 2x BM1387 (Antminer S9)Title reference to an old project version that used two chips instead of a single one. Adding the reference to OP as well.
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Interesting thread OP You maybe could be interested about the topic I made for the begginers, related to Gekkoscience products : My USB SHA256 lottery
However, I would prefer to promote the Bitaxe project or Gekkoscience's products than Nerdminer. I am a big fan of solo mining, home mining, and of USB mining especially since I know that most fellow Europeans don't have the luck of paying a cheap kw/h. So we know most of them are doing that as a random lottery, or for the beauty of learning something. My point is, that they could learn the same things with Bitaxe and Gekko products, and they will have a small chance to find a block. For example, someone found a block with a Compac F recently. With nerdminer, they will learn more or less the same things, but the hashrate doesn't give any chance to find a block. Ok, a R606 or R909 is not standalone, but will give a very good experience to anybody interested by home mining.
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How about this: put one of those chips in other hardware! If that would be possible without raising the price per hash too much, it could have a market.
Yeah, bring back the miner toaster: https://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/news/is-someone-using-your-toaster-to-mine-bitcoin-it-may-be-possible-in-todays-internet-of-things/This won't be posisble - it will raise the price of cheap electronics by too much, you need the chip, the board, and integrate it in the design, not worth - large companies won't do it because they know consumers won't buy this new thing, and a few influencers doing so for fun is nothing compared to the millions that don't want it - it adds a lot of possible problems, they need a new branch of customer support/tech/repair/design to deal with those and their gain in this? No, the combining has failed, not for toasters or tvs or fridges, but even when we talk about heating, I've seen tens of strat-ups that wanted to sell you a bitcoin heater or water heater go bust because it doesn't make sense economically. But, I have to add this as it's just so funny! A 8TB SSD is too expensive so god forbid we would increase the block size to 4x times as it would put us in the hands of google and amazon, but of course, having 4 million people hosting a 3000w and $3k machine or 40 million at least a 500W (less efficiency, not all running 24/7) one to achieve decentralization is totally doable!!!!! Mining efficiency is the same at chip level. Of course having 300 chip together make the machine more efficient, and for this reason industrial miners are built with so many chips.
As long as any other device is using Bitmain chips you will never! and I say never!!!! be able to compete with them even if you try building your 100+ chp hashboard. Once there is somebody else making those chips and selling them at basically manufacturing cost price, you could have a chance, till then, never! I can get a BM1398BB for 20$ via trusty sources and for $10 via less trusty ones and basically no guarantee for DOA, how could I compete with my home-built miner when the 342 chips packed in miner with 1 one-year warranty sell for under 3k?
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I can get a BM1398BB for 20$ via trusty sources and for $10 via less trusty ones and basically no guarantee for DOA, how could I compete with my home-built miner when the 342 chips packed in miner with 1 one-year warranty sell for under 3k?
When I referred to mining efficiency I never meant to state you would be competing with professional miners on an economic basis. I think I made sufficiently clear those machines are meant only for educational purposes. I instead stated that the mining efficiency of a single basic chip could be comparable to the one of a single chip on a professional mining machine. Of course, all the other conditions, namely efficiency at the hash machine and price of production factors (electricity, miners), have to be accounted for to prospect a true economic return.
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I have a shower idea that we know heat from Bitcoin mining can be reused for water heating, tulip bulb heating and more types of heat to energy conversion. It helps to use power and heat in Bitcoin mining cycle better. My idea is ASIC Bitcoin mining farms can install those Nerdminer equipment and do mini solo mining to try their luck. I believe it does not cause any big cost on those big mining farms. Analyzing cost and benefit, I see it is worthy for big ASIC mining farm operators to try with NerdMiner.
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~ Of course, all the other conditions, namely efficiency at the hash machine and price of production factors (electricity, miners), have to be accounted for to prospect a true economic return. That's the thing I was trying to point out, maybe it got the wrong way and emphasis on a different thing but none of those devices will ever make sense economically matter how you pack them or to what other thing you glue them to, and people should really stop treating them as miners and look at the cost and revenue. Those are more like toys or collectibles or the stuff you buy out of curiosity, I don't think anyone plans to go into the printing business with a 30$ machine or bake goods for its bakery with a single microwave. It's a fun thing, and it does its job but to be completely honest if it were about learning only I would advise everyone to simply buy an old miner that goes for the same price as those USB miners and explore that since for $40 you can still get a running S9. You don't need to keep it running 24/7 if you're only learning, and you would deal with a real ASIC, not to mention all the experience gained when that 5yo miner starts to give errors, disconnect, reboot, and lose power all by himself Pretty much depends on what you want to do and what you want to learn from it. My idea is ASIC Bitcoin mining farms can install those Nerdminer equipment and do mini solo mining to try their luck. I believe it does not cause any big cost on those big mining farms. ~ Analyzing cost and benefit, I see it is worthy for big ASIC mining farm operators to try with NerdMiner.
Did you actually read the thread? Oh forget the thread, did you read the FIRST paragraph? The one with red letters?
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Did you actually read the thread? Oh forget the thread, did you read the FIRST paragraph? The one with red letters? Lol. Greenhouses in the Netherlands used to use electricity from the grid for lights, and natural gas for heat and CO2. Natural gas was very cheap (for them). Later, they became power producers by running their own gas turbines. They still got the CO2 and most of the heat, but at lower price. Nowadays, with much higher gas prices, they (also) use industrial waste heat, and industrial waste CO2. Gas turbines can be combined with steam turbines to further improve the efficiency. That's possible because the exhaust gasses coming out of the gas turbines still have a very high temperature. As far as using miner heat goes: it's futile. Low-temperate heat has a very low value (think about the Carnot cycle in physics). The heat isn't produced on locations where it's useful. I'm familiar with the edge case of using Bitcoin miners to heat greenhouses. The flaw is: it replaces electric heaters. You shouldn't use electric heaters in the first place, and I'm pretty sure you can get a better business case with a different heating system. There's a reason Bitcoin miners are concentrated in areas with low electricity prices. Using the waste heat isn't enough to make up for high prices.
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New Firmware has been released. Update 1.16.3 grants a certain boost in performance. You can get your update from the usual source: https://bitmaker-hub.github.io/diyflasher/The upgrade allows for a 77/80 Kh/s rate.
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Just registered on this legendary forum. Although there is almost no chance of solving a block with a Nerdminer, I think the project is extremely interesting. It's also cool how it's constantly being developed by the community.
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January 20, 2024, 02:21:52 PM Merited by LFC_Bitcoin (3) |
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I found this little new website called www.solochance.com. There, you can plug your Hashpower, and find out the computations, updated in real-time, about the chances of finding a block: Funny. I just discovered you need 18,000 s21 to expect to mine a block a day.
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January 20, 2024, 02:29:23 PM Merited by fillippone (1) |
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Time estimate: 12,336,955,676 years So you're telling me there's a chance ( source of this quote)
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Based on this chance I'll want to try it. In this sense, maybe buy this: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005006102451859.htmlGood choice?
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I'm a bit confused: But I don't have 5m S19 to test how accurate it is Anyhow, came back here because of this: What would it take to add a small ASIC miner into this? Would it be possible to take 1/1000th of the chips of an ASIC miner, and instead of 3500W run at 5W (a bit more per hash but still small enough to run off USB power)? It would be great for decentralization to have millions of people do some mining, but I guess the market isn't big enough to make production economically viable.
Seems like Canaan is getting interested in the idea of downsizing, not to 5w but 150W for now, not going to advertise the thing here since it already has it's own topic but I find it surprisingly the seeing the big guys going down this route. So, let's see how that part about economically viable plays out!
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January 20, 2024, 06:35:17 PM |
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Seems like Canaan is getting interested in the idea of downsizing, not to 5w but 150W for now, not going to advertise the thing here since it already has it's own topic but I find it surprisingly the seeing the big guys going down this route. So, let's see how that part about economically viable plays out!
Can you provide the link to this topic? I happened to see this ad on their website a few days ago, but I haven't read anything about it here yet.
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April 08, 2024, 08:23:12 AM |
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Do you plan to add new boards in the future?
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