Are You Tax Efficient With Your Gambling Habbits?

[iv4n]

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When you say that it's our money and the profit should be ours only, where do you think the money comes from that people use to start businesses or make investments? It's also their own money, but they are bound to pay taxes on their income even if they have used their own money. The government doesn't give people money that they can use to do business and then pay taxes with that money, so it's not really about who the money belongs to.
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Life is gambling... whatever we do we face risks, and sometimes we win and sometimes we lose. But here we are talking about paying taxes on "fun & entertainment", do you really think that we should pay tax after every gambling session? So if I plan to gamble I need to be a "pro" accountant, to open spreadsheets and take care of all my deposits/withdrawals, wins/losses? Well, I would rather stop gambling or I would go 101% illegal just to avoid that.

And it's a bit stupid to compare starting some business with playing slots... do you really think that risk is the same? And possible long-run gains?

[Gozie51]

We lose money in gambling, and the government pays us nothing back as a compensation, how then does it make any sense to win money and then want to pay tax to the government? How about the monies that we have previously lost...?

This is the simple explanation why gamblers should not be taxed. It is fair to tax the game house or the case but not those that patronize them because if they are taxed, it amounts to double taxation and that is cheating. For example a gambler bets a game and loses then his bet ticket is traced where his KYC is identified and he is taxed on the loses again, that is injustice. Except for countries that gambling is taxable, they could do that on certain amount of winning but then I believe many gamblers will try to evade it because while they were losing, they weren't getting any refund from the tax office.

[summonerrk]

I'm researching the topic on how many users actually report their winnings or losses to the tax authority, and from the current research there's a major discrepancy in the processes from country to country;

#1. Residents of the UK, Canada, and Australia don’t need to pay anything at all, as these governments view this money as the result of good fortune and do not view gambling as a profession. These earnings do not need to be reported, and nothing is owed on them.  
#2. Malta is also pretty simple. Gambling winnings are only taxed if the player is a professional gambler, though this term is not strictly defined, but if you're earning above the "grace amount" of 12950 EUR, you can apply for it.
#3. The US taxes all gambling winnings as income. In fact, there’s even a special form for documenting your gambling wings: Form W-2G. This money is counted towards your yearly income and will be taxed at whatever bracket you fall into at both the state and federal levels. You must keep track of the type of gambling, the amount of the gambling winnings, and the general ratio of the winnings to the wager, as these will all be needed for filing. Conversely, any gambling losses that occur on a real money online casino platform can be tax deductible in an amount up to your total yearly winnings. Losses and winnings must be filed separately and not as a net amount.

Source: EsportsHeadlines.com


Now I'm quite curious how other gamblers are managing this part of the story, if they manage it at all.

So, question to you, did you ever consider paying taxes on your gambling winnings, or deduct the taxes with the losses you've created? If not, what is the reasoning behind it?

It seems to me that in every country, if you earn small amounts from gambling, you don’t have to file a declaration of your income with the tax office. I won many times in poker tournaments and sometimes in casino slots, and at the same time when I withdrew money to a credit card, I never filed a declaration. I believe that if your income from gambling is less than $1,000 per month, then no matter what country you are in, you do not need to declare yourself to the tax authorities. I think you can constantly withdraw money and not be noticed.

[mak013]

Now I'm quite curious how other gamblers are managing this part of the story, if they manage it at all.

So, question to you, did you ever consider paying taxes on your gambling winnings, or deduct the taxes with the losses you've created? If not, what is the reasoning behind it?

In my country your loses it is your problem, and your profit - is "our profit". So you can lose everything, but when you win - you have to pay taxes. If you stopped the game and move you money back to credit card - you have to pay taxes from the difference between you deposit to casino and withdraw from it.

The loss was our loss, and we did not pay the taxes. And even if we win, we might just pay winnings tax to the casino. But using a credit card to gamble is not recommended because it is as if we are using borrowed money and have to pay it back on time. Otherwise, we will experience problems, and we may have to give something to the credit card company to pay off the money.

But to pay taxes on our gambling, it seems it depends on where we live because some countries will not ask for tax money on gambling, but countries will ask us to pay for other things. And it will depend on the policies of each country.

It possible may be debit card, but i don`t cares about it because i set myself limits in gambling and even if i lose - i easily return money to the credit card.
I haven`t pay taxes for winning yet. It is strange situation as for me. I get profit, but if i don`t tell about it to tax service - it means, that i mustn`t pay anything. The same situation with cryptocurrencies. And i`m in gambling for at least 6 years and still didn`t pay any taxes for it.

[Outhue]

Are people really paying tax on the money they won from casinos? If this is possible then it's illegal, maybe some group of people are illegally taking tax from gamblers on their wins without been authorized by the government.

In my country many illegal taxes are being paid by the people, and that's because many people don't know their rights, they aren't educated and some who are even educated are dumb like zombies.

Several cases later got busted after many people have paid some official workers illegally, see everyone is fighting for their own good, either illegal or legal they don't care, if you are tax for winning money on casinos you should seek help from a lawyer, or get a police man and ask him, they will bring light to this for you, it might be illegal and some group of people might be behind it, even government workers are doing illegal activities using the government names.

Be a wise being.

[piebeyb]

It seems to me that in every country, if you earn small amounts from gambling, you don’t have to file a declaration of your income with the tax office. I won many times in poker tournaments and sometimes in casino slots, and at the same time when I withdrew money to a credit card, I never filed a declaration. I believe that if your income from gambling is less than $1,000 per month, then no matter what country you are in, you do not need to declare yourself to the tax authorities. I think you can constantly withdraw money and not be noticed.

Yes, actually it also depends on each other's personal self if you feel that it is a very important thing to report the Gambling Winning Tax there is no problem and if you don't want to report there is also no problem, after all, not everyone can win big money every month in gambling, Except for someone who gets a big win in gambling, it may need to report income to the tax office because it is an obligation as a tax -obedient society.

But personally I have never reported income to the tax office about my income in gambling because I have never won a big money in gambling so that in my opinion it does not need to report it, even though I have an obligation as a tax -obedient citizen. Unless my other income tax may need to report to the office, everything returns to each

[wiss19]

The loss was our loss, and we did not pay the taxes. And even if we win, we might just pay winnings tax to the casino. But using a credit card to gamble is not recommended because it is as if we are using borrowed money and have to pay it back on time. Otherwise, we will experience problems, and we may have to give something to the credit card company to pay off the money.

But to pay taxes on our gambling, it seems it depends on where we live because some countries will not ask for tax money on gambling, but countries will ask us to pay for other things. And it will depend on the policies of each country.

That sounds better than if we will pay some taxes in each bets that we placed no matter if they are a win or a loss. But if we win, we are going to pay a little bigger for the tax again. When it comes to payment methods to play gambling, indeed that using a credit card as a way to place bets are not good idea because apart from your stated reason, it can also tempt us to borrow more money and become move divested once we also lose them.

Maybe it's true that tax obligations in gambling can depend on the country that we are living because I'm not asked yet about it. But it can also depend on the game because lottery winners here are being charged by a tax and the amount is huge.

[Vaculin]

The loss was our loss, and we did not pay the taxes. And even if we win, we might just pay winnings tax to the casino. But using a credit card to gamble is not recommended because it is as if we are using borrowed money and have to pay it back on time. Otherwise, we will experience problems, and we may have to give something to the credit card company to pay off the money.

But to pay taxes on our gambling, it seems it depends on where we live because some countries will not ask for tax money on gambling, but countries will ask us to pay for other things. And it will depend on the policies of each country.

That sounds better than if we will pay some taxes in each bets that we placed no matter if they are a win or a loss. But if we win, we are going to pay a little bigger for the tax again. When it comes to payment methods to play gambling, indeed that using a credit card as a way to place bets are not good idea because apart from your stated reason, it can also tempt us to borrow more money and become move divested once we also lose them.

Maybe it's true that tax obligations in gambling can depend on the country that we are living because I'm not asked yet about it. But it can also depend on the game because lottery winners here are being charged by a tax and the amount is huge.

It's better if we do not have to pay taxes at all; it would be fair for gamblers that way since casinos are the ones making money. The government can seem too greedy when they tax everything. You see, if a casino wins, they will need to file income tax, and if we win, we are going to file income tax, so the government makes money both ways.

[noormcs5]

The loss was our loss, and we did not pay the taxes. And even if we win, we might just pay winnings tax to the casino. But using a credit card to gamble is not recommended because it is as if we are using borrowed money and have to pay it back on time. Otherwise, we will experience problems, and we may have to give something to the credit card company to pay off the money.

But to pay taxes on our gambling, it seems it depends on where we live because some countries will not ask for tax money on gambling, but countries will ask us to pay for other things. And it will depend on the policies of each country.

That sounds better than if we will pay some taxes in each bets that we placed no matter if they are a win or a loss. But if we win, we are going to pay a little bigger for the tax again. When it comes to payment methods to play gambling, indeed that using a credit card as a way to place bets are not good idea because apart from your stated reason, it can also tempt us to borrow more money and become move divested once we also lose them.

Maybe it's true that tax obligations in gambling can depend on the country that we are living because I'm not asked yet about it. But it can also depend on the game because lottery winners here are being charged by a tax and the amount is huge.

It's better if we do not have to pay taxes at all; it would be fair for gamblers that way since casinos are the ones making money. The government can seem too greedy when they tax everything. You see, if a casino wins, they will need to file income tax, and if we win, we are going to file income tax, so the government makes money both ways.

The government usually does not care, if you are making money or the casino is making money. They are only concerned with the taxes.
This means that if you are making a significant amount in gambling, you will have to pay the taxes. The casino is making money and they will separately pay the taxes.

However, the gamblers who are doing online gambling using crypto, sometimes do not declare anything to the government and the government also cannot figure out if they are making money through gambling, so they save their tax but still, it is risky as if they got caught could face legal consequences.

[maydna]

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It possible may be debit card, but i don`t cares about it because i set myself limits in gambling and even if i lose - i easily return money to the credit card.
I haven`t pay taxes for winning yet. It is strange situation as for me. I get profit, but if i don`t tell about it to tax service - it means, that i mustn`t pay anything. The same situation with cryptocurrencies. And i`m in gambling for at least 6 years and still didn`t pay any taxes for it.

It could be a debit card. But I also don't know that because I have never gambled other than using crypto. And despite using crypto, I also don't pay taxes on my gambling. Even though I lose or win, no one knows except myself, and I also don't need to report the wins or losses I get from gambling. Perhaps I still pay taxes for other things, but specifically for gambling, I don't pay taxes, perhaps in countries where gambling is permitted, and gamblers use the money in their bank accounts to report to the bank about their winnings and losses. But for crypto gambling, I don't think it's easy to track it, but I don't know.

[xSkylarx]

The loss was our loss, and we did not pay the taxes. And even if we win, we might just pay winnings tax to the casino. But using a credit card to gamble is not recommended because it is as if we are using borrowed money and have to pay it back on time. Otherwise, we will experience problems, and we may have to give something to the credit card company to pay off the money.

But to pay taxes on our gambling, it seems it depends on where we live because some countries will not ask for tax money on gambling, but countries will ask us to pay for other things. And it will depend on the policies of each country.

That sounds better than if we will pay some taxes in each bets that we placed no matter if they are a win or a loss. But if we win, we are going to pay a little bigger for the tax again. When it comes to payment methods to play gambling, indeed that using a credit card as a way to place bets are not good idea because apart from your stated reason, it can also tempt us to borrow more money and become move divested once we also lose them.

Maybe it's true that tax obligations in gambling can depend on the country that we are living because I'm not asked yet about it. But it can also depend on the game because lottery winners here are being charged by a tax and the amount is huge.

It's better if we do not have to pay taxes at all; it would be fair for gamblers that way since casinos are the ones making money. The government can seem too greedy when they tax everything. You see, if a casino wins, they will need to file income tax, and if we win, we are going to file income tax, so the government makes money both ways.

Hard truth yes as long as we win big the government always has the advantage and you know what the government says? They will just give it back to us by building roads, giving aid, and helping the economy grow which is something true but still we are skeptical because there are times that they just put it in their pockets.

Not sure where country you are residing but here in our country if we win over $200 your winnings are subject to tax. But again this is where the catch is youll need to go to the tax department to declare it so others won't go and declare it. But there are times that someone who got jealous of your winnings will report you on tax evasion because you didn't declare it which is where you've got a big case.

[South Park]

The government usually does not care, if you are making money or the casino is making money. They are only concerned with the taxes.
This means that if you are making a significant amount in gambling, you will have to pay the taxes. The casino is making money and they will separately pay the taxes.

However, the gamblers who are doing online gambling using crypto, sometimes do not declare anything to the government and the government also cannot figure out if they are making money through gambling, so they save their tax but still, it is risky as if they got caught could face legal consequences.

Governments are inherently pragmatic, if a person is making a few dollars while gambling they are not going to take the time to go against that person since it simply makes no sense for them as they will lose money if they do so, however if you are earning a good amount of money out of gambling you can be sure that eventually the government will come knocking on your door regardless of whether you use fiat or crypto to gamble, as if you are a consistent winner then at some point you will have to go through KYC and the government of the country where you live will find out about your earnings.

[knowngunman]

Not sure where country you are residing but here in our country if we win over $200 your winnings are subject to tax. But again this is where the catch is youll need to go to the tax department to declare it so others won't go and declare it. But there are times that someone who got jealous of your winnings will report you on tax evasion because you didn't declare it which is where you've got a big case.

But does this really make sense? What happened to the tax the gambling sites owners are paying? This is very unfair to gamblers and it's an injustice that need to be address before they'll ask you to hand over the whole of your winning some day. Before a gambler get a win, it's possible that he's lost x10 of what he won and no one compensate him for loosing his money and it's not proper to ask for some percentage as tax when he's trying to recover some of his loss.

The casinos are fully registered with government and should be taxed for being given chance to operate and not the innocent gamblers. You can not tax the taxi driver and also the passenger at the same time. If tax is to be paid from winning, then there should be compensation for losing as well.

[irhact]

Are people really paying tax on the money they won from casinos? If this is possible then it's illegal, maybe some group of people are illegally taking tax from gamblers on their wins without been authorized by the government.

Yes when you read the thread, you'll see a lot of individual saying they're paying taxes and some countries are actually collecting tax from gamblers because they recognized gambling as a form of earning as those participating in them gets profits form their gambling activities. As I said earlier, I don't consider gambling a form of earning because profits aren't assured as you can make profits today but tomorrow you lose and the next day isn't assured as well.

Some countries are well developed and illegal taxes isn't happening because all taxes are paid directly to the government and not to random individual claiming to be the government in most under developed countries in Asia and Africa, some developed countries taxes everything.

[mak013]

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It possible may be debit card, but i don`t cares about it because i set myself limits in gambling and even if i lose - i easily return money to the credit card.
I haven`t pay taxes for winning yet. It is strange situation as for me. I get profit, but if i don`t tell about it to tax service - it means, that i mustn`t pay anything. The same situation with cryptocurrencies. And i`m in gambling for at least 6 years and still didn`t pay any taxes for it.

It could be a debit card. But I also don't know that because I have never gambled other than using crypto. And despite using crypto, I also don't pay taxes on my gambling. Even though I lose or win, no one knows except myself, and I also don't need to report the wins or losses I get from gambling. Perhaps I still pay taxes for other things, but specifically for gambling, I don't pay taxes, perhaps in countries where gambling is permitted, and gamblers use the money in their bank accounts to report to the bank about their winnings and losses. But for crypto gambling, I don't think it's easy to track it, but I don't know.

And one more moment i forgot. In offline casino in my country there is a limit for one moment withdrawal. If you withdraw more than $150 - the casino pay taxes for you. They decrease your withdrawal to pay taxes. So if i need to withdraw large sum i split it to several withdraws. In such way everything ok and no one pay taxes.

[LUCKMCFLY]

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The truth is that I would like to Live in a Country where taxes are destined to end, to fix the things of the day, because yes, everyone in the world pays taxes and it is about doing the best so that they can do the best From this, it does not matter to me if the government is bad, or that the government is full of thugs, it matters that as long as the laws are well enforced and they can generate work and things as they are, then in this order of ideas, if the things are well Controlled , you will pay Any type of tax and up to date, but even if I am with the best country in the world, I will never accept paying for crypto esuar or casinois that are crypto, because for me it makes no sense that my fun is controlled by governments , then these types of things are already Innate , they are things like I don't let nobody get involved in my Finances , because that's why I'm in crypto, it only happens when you are in the purely FIAT System , where obviously you have the complete record of things and can Generate whatever it takes to maintain the country.

In fact, I have always agreed that many things Must be Done so that taxes are paid, I disagree with the accountants who evade taxes with theoretical tricks to do so, in this sense things can be better so that a country can move forward, but as I say , Only in the FIAT World where all things have a real meaning, ideal so that they can be done well, while the other things are not about how to do to have a better understanding of taxes, it should never be Asking someone who deals with crypto, deals with Crypto casinos and with Crypto trading, I won't agree with paying tax for it, so that's up to me, maybe I'm very pro-technologist, or very Pro-Crypto, I'm not I accept the intersection of a third party to benefit from crypto and unless it is from my crypto, which incorporates my fun, my Money, my Effort.

You want to live in a society where tax money is used efficiently and effectively. No frivolous spending, no corruption, just solid governance. Perfectly valid wish. But then you draw a hard line at crypto. Look, the gambling world, be it crypto casinos or traditional ones, operates on the premise of chance (and this chance slightly favor the house). If you make money off it, why shouldn't that be taxed just like any other income? Why does using technology make your earnings exempt? Crypto or not, you're benefiting from the infrastructure, security, and governance of the country you reside in. You enjoy its roads, hospitals, schools, and legal system. You're saying accountants who evade taxes are doing a disservice, and I'm with you on that. But by not wanting to pay tax on crypto earnings, how are you any different? Just because it's digital doesn't mean it's "free money"

Things are more beautiful when in a country where you live the government gives something to be well, maybe your country is like that and if those laws are Fulfilled , but the one I am in is not, the one I am in is not as you think , Things don't work like that here, when you Live in a corrupt system you don't want to pay any kind of tax, because I live in a rich country, which has gold, oil, rubies, everything, and what they do is exploit it and make the country poor. , then everyone has to migrate to other countries to see if they can have a better pace of life and lifestyle, so since it is crypto, be it casinos, whatever has to do with Bitcoin, the government should not stick its nose in, That is something that has to be clear, at least I am clear About it, and that is why there are so many problems now, in the casino the biggest problem there is is the KYC, the VPN, why? because things are going in the direction that they like to prohibit, and that is not the way out, the more people are banned, the irreverence will always be sought, because a government cannot tell you what to do, how to do it, here the government can put its hands in you. pocket and pay their expenses with your pocket they do it, so in this order of ideas I at least, because in the style of life system in the government that is in my country I do not admit that , of course it is my way of To think , some may not Agree because the government systems are much better, they are not as corrupt and they can and do Allocate tax money for what they are actually intended for.

Things are not like that here, the government is very corrupt, it's like giving money to thieves, so there are things that many people don't know about, because they don't live within the country's system because they think that way, there are countries that do make it difficult to pay taxes. , because they know that it means improvements for their country, but when it is not like that, that an entity from the government, who did not study anything, who is simply a person who is there by inertia , but who has the power , well, that one does It Carries a tax, that's why I don't agree.

[maydna]

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And one more moment i forgot. In offline casino in my country there is a limit for one moment withdrawal. If you withdraw more than $150 - the casino pay taxes for you. They decrease your withdrawal to pay taxes. So if i need to withdraw large sum i split it to several withdraws. In such way everything ok and no one pay taxes.

I never thought there were more effective ways to not pay taxes on your gambling winnings.

But these methods are also good to try if they can still be done now. People who frequent offline casinos use that method by dividing it into several withdrawals. Well, it really helps them not to pay taxes because I think it would probably be too large if they had to pay taxes.

[alastantiger]

It is quite confusing that there is not specific definition of a professional gambler and also that America is one of the countries with strict gambling taxation law. But America is making money from gambling taxes, they shouldn't ban gambling. It just makes no sense.

In my country, gambling winnings are not taxed. It is considered more of a recreational activity than a source of income. This though is likely to change as more gambling organizations are created. The government may wake up one day and demand a piece of the gambling pie.

[Finestream]

It is quite confusing that there is not specific definition of a professional gambler and also that America is one of the countries with strict gambling taxation law. But America is making money from gambling taxes, they shouldn't ban gambling. It just makes no sense.

In my country, gambling winnings are not taxed. It is considered more of a recreational activity than a source of income. This though is likely to change as more gambling organizations are created. The government may wake up one day and demand a piece of the gambling pie.

America cannot ban gambling, as they generate significant tax revenue from a billion-dollar industry. Major sports like MLB, NFL, NBA, and others are responsible for a large portion of these bets, and it benefits the government to allow more gambling sites to operate legally. As long as proper tax enforcement is implemented, there's little chance they will consider banning the entire gambling industry.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Horse racing was cool back in the days but not anymore, I read online that the decline of such sport began in the year 2011, that's a very long time ago, it was already predicted that betting on horse racing would see a major decline, by now the horse race betting interest have already decline up to 30% if not more.

The sport have failed to keep up with other sports like volley, basketball, soccer, tennis and others, the truth is horse racing isn't modern type of gambling and the competition already outpace many attempts of horse racing bets companies.

We all love horse racing, in the 90s I prefer watching movies that have horses in them, that's why I get so much love for cowboy movies, Clint Eastwood for example, people like OP still believes that horse racing rocks, that's no lie, today,  many people believe that horse racing can be saved if bring into the modern age but sadly, many believe it's still too old fashioned, and this my friend is where I belong.  

There are several factors that cause a decline in the interest of most people in horse racing and in the current era more people choose sports such as Football, Cricket, Basketball, Tennis and also Esports to use as a betting option and can provide entertainment when watching them because in Some of these types have been loved by almost everyone in the world and are often the subject of hot discussion.
Moreover horse racing is no longer a trend and there are only a few countries that have this type of sport and quite a few countries also prohibit horse racing because they think it is very torturous to animals.

Due to the increasingly rapid development of the times it seems difficult for horse racing to grow again and be loved by many people again like it was a few years ago when it was still in the 90s.

I agree with you, because mainly things when it comes to how to train horses, you can simply stick to the rules of those who do that type of sport, but what you say is real, now things can be seen from In other ways, people do not like horses so now they are much more focused on protecting animals and the trend is then these types of things that we as people should also see, this like cockfighting are things that They have ceased to exist, which is why organizations now try to protect these types of animals and of course animals in extinction much more so, for this reason you always have to put things in context.

Animals at the world level are very protected, I don't really understand why the mistreatment towards horses is, but to be in a competition I imagined that the training was like training an athlete with his diet, with his different vitamins, but I never imagined that for That the horses that performed had to be so mistreated were things that I really didn't know, when I found out I am obviously one of those who support not animal abuse because things shouldn't be like that either, the animals need to take care of themselves, but in the case of bettors must understand that things cannot be that way either.

There is a big problem with the cockfight, but that is much stronger because things there last Until one of the two animals dies , so it seems to me that it is a practice of betting that is too high, I don't agree, the truth is never I have been to a cockfight, and in horse races I know that they still put them on and bet, but the truth is I don't know in which countries they do them, and if it is legal in those countries, but I am curious, because it is difficult , there are many to bet and well things tend to be quite Difficult Because the possibilities are many.