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October 25, 2023, 09:17:30 AM
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We are sure (through testing) that using CoinJoin "completely" is not possible because it becomes a 100% pattern in systems like AML bot and Chainalysis.
I know, because the point of coinjoin is to create fungible coins which follow the exact same pattern. X inputs which are owned by several entities are consolidated, creating Y outputs. This process provably obfuscates the ownership. The fact that AML bots treat these as "100% tainted" tells a lot about the mixing effectiveness. They cannot tell who's who, and thus, treat the entire set of outputs as "tainted", which is beyond insane.

We're not trying to achieve a favorable AML score by giving up full CoinJoin. We're adapting to the current situation. Everyone has learned to detect it and label those transactions negatively. Why bother with that? We can take a different approach.
Until when is the question. You're a privacy-focused service which tries to adapt with anti-privacy organization that rely on utter guesswork, which I find fundamentally erroneous. You say that you want to adapt, I'm genuinely curious with what estimations you base your work since anything can be treated as "tainted" by these people with no justification given.

To me, it seems that you've observed which techniques are considered "red flags" by their software, and you try to mitigate to alternative privacy methods. Is that it?

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October 25, 2023, 09:53:49 AM
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What you say is true, I understand this, the whole purpose of bitcoin mixer is to make your coins untraceable. You, the person who uses decentralized exchanges, has nothing to worry about but there are people who use centralized exchanges because of many reasons, some of them I already listed in my previous post.
Let's say that despite the fact that I use centralized exchange, I don't want to be totally tracked and want to have my private space. So, I have a bitcoin wallet that is not associated with me and I protect my privacy there but now I need to cash some of my coins and I have to deposit them on Coinbase but I don't want to reveal myself. What do I do in this case? I mix coins on a mixer that offers me coins that will pass AML bots, that's all. When I withdraw from Coinbase, I don't care about that problem, that only arises when I have to deposit on Coinbase. Coinbase is just an example in this case and nothing more or less.

Man, there is a huge problem in crypto world right now. I respect the fundamentals of bitcoin and use it to gain its advantage but centralized entities are taking it over and people prefer easy and comfortable service instead of slightly more complex one. Bitcoin, that was decentralized, is getting centralized. Mining is already centralized, you can't mine it at home, only huge corporations can mine bitcoin. Exchanges are getting regulated, casinos ask your for KYC documents, Ledger implements paid backup subscription for self-custody wallets. You see, this is not decentralization, this is taking over. It looks like centralized entity controlling decentralized coin, totally has it in its territory. So, at this time, demand and supply changes and now, like you said, privacy-focused service tries to adapt with anti-privacy organizations because of high demand, that's all.

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October 25, 2023, 10:44:15 AM
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So, I have a bitcoin wallet that is not associated with me and I protect my privacy there but now I need to cash some of my coins and I have to deposit them on Coinbase but I don't want to reveal myself.
You cannot simultaneously protect your privacy and use Coinbase. You have to pick either your privacy or Coinbase.

What do I do in this case?
We've talked about this in another thread. You cannot hide the fact that you protect your privacy, and nor should you. Coinbase has made it abundantly clear that mixed coins are unacceptable, because they treat every coin they cannot track as morally incorrect. Why are you trying to deceive Coinbase into thinking your coins are not mixed, and not skip it altogether and move to an environment that respects your privacy?

centralized entities are taking it over and people prefer easy and comfortable service instead of slightly more complex one.
Centralized entities are not so powerful anymore, because we have developed decentralized solutions that work.

If you find it so difficult to use Bisq, then just select an exchange which doesn't treat its users as shit. There's a variety of non-KYC: https://kycnot.me/. As I've said before, the only excuse to using a popular, regulated CEX over non-KYC, is shitcoins.

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October 25, 2023, 11:30:05 AM
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I apologize for the delays in responses; to be honest, project tasks take precedence at the moment.
No problem.
I would like to give another try in testing Tumbler with a second review, and I hope to see some improvements this time.

We're not trying to achieve a favorable AML score by giving up full CoinJoin. We're adapting to the current situation. Everyone has learned to detect it and label those transactions negatively. Why bother with that? We can take a different approach.
Because some people coins gets confiscated on centralized exchange that is related with this bad score.

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October 25, 2023, 02:19:34 PM
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I know, because the point of coinjoin is to create fungible coins which follow the exact same pattern. X inputs which are owned by several entities are consolidated, creating Y outputs. This process provably obfuscates the ownership. The fact that AML bots treat these as "100% tainted" tells a lot about the mixing effectiveness. They cannot tell who's who, and thus, treat the entire set of outputs as "tainted", which is beyond insane.

And, to my great regret, there's nothing that can be done about it. Such systems will continue to operate, and over time, their numbers will grow. I'm afraid to predict, but it seems to me that the next step is mandatory verification of transactions by miners before adding them to blocks Smiley

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Until when is the question. You're a privacy-focused service which tries to adapt with anti-privacy organization that rely on utter guesswork, which I find fundamentally erroneous. You say that you want to adapt, I'm genuinely curious with what estimations you base your work since anything can be treated as "tainted" by these people with no justification given.
To me, it seems that you've observed which techniques are considered "red flags" by their software, and you try to mitigate to alternative privacy methods. Is that it?

We tested a vast number of transactions in the AML bot. In reality, their system is quite simple. It's all based on the concept of good and bad. For instance, if you have 1 BTC with a 100% risk after CoinJoin, it's enough to mix this address with another 1 BTC from a verified exchange to reduce the risk to 50%.

In our system, we eliminated the most obvious patterns for identifying bad coins and configured payout logic based on Blockchair patterns. The result is a very effective system that, with a large pool of coins and a growing customer base, will become the best of its kind.
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And, to my great regret, there's nothing that can be done about it.
Yes, there is. Don't use services which discriminate their clients if they use privacy protecting tools.

We tested a vast number of transactions in the AML bot. In reality, their system is quite simple. It's all based on the concept of good and bad. For instance, if you have 1 BTC with a 100% risk after CoinJoin, it's enough to mix this address with another 1 BTC from a verified exchange to reduce the risk to 50%
Shouldn't you clarify in your main page which exchanges are tested? As I already told you, we frequently notice coins being treated as tainted by one exchange while being acceptable by another. For example, your mixed coins might be acceptable by Binance, but not by Coinbase.

In our system, we eliminated the most obvious patterns for identifying bad coins and configured payout logic based on Blockchair patterns.
You should also clarify that; "Our anonymizing meter is based on Blockchair's software".

If you're going to follow that route, you need to be transparent with your clients. "We base our work on this", "We have tested this", etc. Otherwise once a client gets their coins rejected sometime (i.e., because of an AML bot update), you will be called a bad service.

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I was doing a review for the current campaign, and I was almost sure that I had forgotten to write something. This KingsDen's case reminded me of one thing and I will write it here, rather than edit my review.
Your website lacks some kind of notification, where you would emphasize which are the only official channels of communication with support. I think that in your case it is certainly important because you do not have an official Telegram channel, which is quite unusual. Ideal for impersonators to trick new users who won't recognize the fake channel.

  • At the footer of the homepage, I saw the "X" icon, I didn't know what is was doing there until I clicked it and discovered it is a close icon. It will be fine that you use the word "CLOSE" in red colour as the icon doesn't sooth there. It looks like a social media handle icon.
This "X" is a new Twitter logo, and here on the Tumbler site, it does not have the function of closing the page.
Yea, it is redirecting to twitter now. As at when I was reviewing the site, it gave a warning to close all sessions when I clicked it.
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We have implemented protection against Man-in-the-Middle (MITM) attacks.
All critical data on the website is encrypted using the RSA asymmetric cryptography algorithm.

Now, DDOS-Guard or any other service providing DDoS protection won't be able to intercept our clients' data.

Here's how it works:

- When placing an order in the browser environment, a pair of 2048-bit RSA keys is generated (ClientPublicKey and ClientPrivateKey).
- Inside our JavaScript, there is our system's public key (SystemPublicKey).
- When placing an order, the client's browser encrypts the transmitted data using our public key (SystemPublicKey). Only we can decrypt this data because only we have the private key (SystemPrivateKey).
- In response from the server, the client also receives encrypted data, which was encrypted using the client's public key (ClientPublicKey). Only the client can decrypt the received data because only they have the private key (ClientPrivateKey).
- In addition, it is impossible to intercept order addresses by inspecting HTTP requests. OrderID is simply absent in the requests.

Encryption has been implemented for all critical parts of the project, namely:

- Order creation
- Order page
- Downloading a Letter of Guarantee
- Using the tumbler code
- Support

We would appreciate any feedback related to this update (primarily of a technical nature).
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After reading some observations, I had a doubt:
If the user chooses the Security level Premium option, does this mean that all their coins come from an exchange? If yes, which one?

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After reading some observations, I had a doubt:
If the user chooses the Security level Premium option, does this mean that all their coins come from an exchange? If yes, which one?
As it was mentioned before in this thread, "When a user opts for the "premium" level, investor coins are added to the pool". The premium pool contains the system's private resources and investor's bitcoins.
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Hello everyone,

A detailed roundup of the enhancements made, all inspired by your feedback to [banned mixer] Bitcoin Mixer Review#2 is postponed to next week.
It will take a little bit more time to bring your proposed ideas to perfection.

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Hello everyone,

A detailed roundup of the enhancements made, all inspired by your feedback to [banned mixer] Bitcoin Mixer Review#2 is postponed to next week.
It will take a little bit more time to bring your proposed ideas to perfection.



I recently made a review for Tumbler and at that time the fee for every receiving address was 0.0002 BTC but today when I checked it again it is increased to 0.0003 BTC.



https://[banned mixer]/fee

I wonder if you announced this change and what could be the reason for increasing this fee  Huh

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I recently made a review for Tumbler and at that time the fee for every receiving address was 0.0002 BTC but today when I checked it again it is increased to 0.0003 BTC.

As you may have noticed, over the past week, transaction fees in the Bitcoin network have increased approximately tenfold.
On average, the recommended fee in recent days has been over 200 satoshis per byte.

https://mempool.space/block/00000000000000000003d77c88d89022c1a4be6271cef2511883228277bcaa14

Considering the size of our average transaction at 250-300 bytes, we find that we occasionally pay over 0.0006 BTC for a transfer, while charging the user 0.0003 BTC.

Once transaction fees normalize, we will reduce the fee in our system.
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As you may have noticed, over the past week, transaction fees in the Bitcoin network have increased approximately tenfold.
On average, the recommended fee in recent days has been over 200 satoshis per byte.

https://mempool.space/block/00000000000000000003d77c88d89022c1a4be6271cef2511883228277bcaa14

Considering the size of our average transaction at 250-300 bytes, we find that we occasionally pay over 0.0006 BTC for a transfer, while charging the user 0.0003 BTC.


First of all, if you did put a change in the fee, it would have been good if you tell us here also on the ANN thread so we know about it.

Secondly, you are also charging 0.4% the minimum fee, meaning the fee is being charged in percentage so doesn't that compensate for the higher tx fee too ?
It was already highlighed by many reviewers that as they add the addresses to mix, this 0.002 BTC 0.0003 BTC, amounts too much higher and it discourages users who want to mix small amount of Bitcoins.


Once transaction fees normalize, we will reduce the fee in our system.

From 200+ tx fee, we are now back to around 25-26 bytes,

https://mempool.space/block/00000000000000000003b38d5b19bc529acf344e2447b81c2e2f9263be5ff896

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Secondly, you are also charging 0.4% the minimum fee, meaning the fee is being charged in percentage so doesn't that compensate for the higher tx fee too ?

Firstly, we don't always make a profit.

Let's do some basic math. You deposit the minimum amount of 0.001, and our profit is 0.4%, which is 0.00000400 BTC. We spend 0.0006 on the transaction, while charging the user 0.0003. We end up with a loss of -0.000296.

Of course, there are orders for larger amounts. It's for this reason that we don't set the commission at 0.0006; in other words, 0.0003 a reasonable compensation takes place.

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First of all, if you did put a change in the fee, it would have been good if you tell us here also on the ANN thread so we know about it.

Your advice has been noted.

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It was already highlighed by many reviewers that as they add the addresses to mix, this 0.002 BTC 0.0003 BTC, amounts too much higher and it discourages users who want to mix small amount of Bitcoins.

Firstly, if you had actually used similar services, you would know that this fee is one of the lowest in the market.
Secondly, the vast majority of those who suggested reducing the commission from testers, claiming that they are large, also did not use similar services before because there was no elementary comparison of the service parameters with competitors.

In other words, unfortunately, some testers did not perform well in the testing task, and not everything that testers write should be taken into account.

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From 200+ tx fee, we are now back to around 25-26 bytes

Our system does not rely on https://mempool.space. I was just trying to point out the weekly trend, which was hard to ignore if you use cryptocurrencies.
For obtaining the recommended fee, we use other, more reliable methods. At the moment, we do not observe a significant decrease under conditions of guaranteed confirmation in 2 blocks.

It might happen in the next 5 minutes, but not yet Wink  The adjustment of the fee in our system will occur automatically.

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We are very busy and working hard to improve the system. Sorry. It's not always possible to respond promptly to forum questions.
In the coming week (hopefully), we will prepare a detailed report.
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It might happen in the next 5 minutes, but not yet Wink  The adjustment of the fee in our system will occur automatically.

In this sense, I would like to make a suggestion:
Next to this fee field, place a small message like: "fee automatically adjustable, according to measured sat/byte costs of transactions"

Something like this, just for the user to be aware that this value can change, and choose to do the mix at that moment (because they think it will go up) or wait a while (because they think it will go down).

Either way, thanks for the explanation. Continuation of a good work.

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There was some kind of silence at the [banned mixer] mixer. They promised a report on the work done, but many weeks have passed, and they are still silent. I go to their website and see that they have added a lot of solutions, including those that I suggested, which is extremely nice. Mixer has grown a lot in terms of user-friendliness and the quality of the site itself. I hope they will return soon and still present their report on the work done.

In general, a large number of constructive suggestions were accepted and implemented in part or in full. It seems that the review campaign gave quite a good result. At least as far as I noticed.
As far as I know, a signature campaign is also being prepared, so I believe that we can expect a more significant update by then.

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I think it's been more than a month since they ran a contest for avatar and signature design here in BitcoinTalk. Until now they still haven't started the signature campaign. It seems they changed their mind about running a marketing campaign here in BitcoinTalk. Good thing OP is still active; they just haven't posted updates or bumped the thread daily.

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I think it's been more than a month since they ran a contest for avatar and signature design here in BitcoinTalk. Until now they still haven't started the signature campaign. It seems they changed their mind about running a marketing campaign here in BitcoinTalk. Good thing OP is still active; they just haven't posted updates or bumped the thread daily.

At the closing of the second round of the review campaign, the launch of the signature advertising program was announced. That was about 10 days ago. I think it is too early to write off such a possibility.
This campaign is officially close now.
Thank you everyone for participating on the both review campaign.
We are planning to launch the signature campaign soon.
Looking forward to work together with some of you.

Thank you [banned mixer] team.

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Hello everyone!

A huge shoutout to everyone who sent us questions and feedback – you've really helped us improve! Over the past few months, we've been hard at work making numerous enhancements to our service. While there have been many changes, today we're excited to share with you some of the highlights that have come out of your valuable input. We've selected a handful of improvements to discuss, but rest assured, there's much more in the pipeline. Stay tuned for some enlightening information, and feel free to join in the discussion!



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I started with using the Clearnet version on Chrome, unfortunately, regardless of testing different browsers (Brave, Tor, and even Edge) I kept getting this error on the Captcha step.

✅ We've fixed the issue. Now, you should be able to complete the captcha step without any errors, regardless of the browser you're using.

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The (Please, download the letter of guarantee before a transfer) is hardly noticeable, it must be more visible than the deposit information.

✅ We've made changes and added an icon to make it more visible. Now, the prompt to download the Letter of guarantee before a transfer should be noticeably clearer than the deposit information.

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The tumbler code is somewhere at the bottom of this page, very easy to miss if you don't scroll down and honestly I almost forgot about it since my attention was on the deposit process, the page has a ton of blank space at the top, alongside the logo and steps icons at the top, all of which are taking a lot of "wasted" space
I think this page should be squeezed to fit a single screen without having to scroll down, where everything needed (Letter of Guarantee + Deposit status + tumbler code appears in the same height level without needing to scroll)

✅ Our usability tests have shown that there are no issues with focusing attention on this particular section at any resolution. We have designed the layout to ensure that all important elements are easily accessible and visible to our users.

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No easy way of entering the order number should one close the page by mistake, if someone doesn't pay enough attention to the URL which contains the order number /order#... then it will be hard for them to go back to the same order without contacting the support team.

✅ Your link is duplicated on the mixing page as well as in the Letter of guarantee. This ensures that even if you close the page by mistake, you can easily find your way back to your order without needing to contact the support team.

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Despite receiving the transaction the timer is still running on the order page as if it's still yet to come.

✅ We've fixed the issue. Now, the timer on the order page will correctly reflect the transaction status, stopping once the transaction is received.

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Is pretty useless at this point, it should show on the first page, and then again on the top of the deposit page not at the bottom, now since you can't control what the user sends, you could at least control what you send by slightly modifying your 0.0002 BTC fee to make it in a dynamic range of say 0.000015 - 0.0002

✅ This information is available at every stage of mixing. We ensure that all necessary details are prominently displayed throughout the process, providing our users with clear guidance at each step.

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You consolidated 3 smaller outputs that were not needed

✅ We have over 90 patterns for processing transactions. Sometimes, it happens that three smaller outputs are consolidated, which is a part of our sophisticated transaction processing system. This approach helps us achieve the highest level of privacy for our users.

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The website should be translated into more languages, personally, I'd like to see it support Arabic.

✅ We have plans to add three more languages to the website.



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Let's start directly with the main function, namely Bitcoin mixing. I see that the service has implemented a captcha before mixing, and I have a question that dates back to the first review, namely the behavior of the site when changing the language. The mixing process itself consists of several screens: Captcha - Order details - Terms - In progress - Finish. I again observe that if you change the language during mixing, everything is reset and you have to start over, but this does not happen in all screens:

That is, if, after passing the captcha, I go to the order details screen, fill in all the data and try to change the language, I am again transferred to the very beginning. If I continue mixing without changing the language and go to screen 3, where I need to familiarize myself with the conditions, then the problem is the same:

✅ Thank you for such a clear explanation of the issue. There are no errors in these particular places; it's the website's protection against spam attacks that is activating. After successfully completing the captcha, your session is assigned a one-time unique key used for form submission. Changing the language (essentially refreshing the page) resets your current session and deletes all keys. As you've noticed, all the mixing stages are dynamically loaded (using Asynchronous JavaScript and XML (AJAX)), and with the current project architecture, it's impossible to implement language change while preserving the entire progress of form filling. In other words, it's impossible to restore form-filling progress at stages that don't require refreshing the browser page and are loaded dynamically.

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I didn't notice it at all the first time because it almost blends into the main background, make it clearer so that it is visible.

✅ This block was intentionally hidden, as it does not carry any functional load and does not require the client's focused attention. We have removed the transparency, but the size has not been changed. Smiley

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Next, I would suggest that you add information about supported addresses on the deposit screen. Here, on this screen, this information is more useful than in the FAQ section, for example, like this:

✅ Until the introduction of Taproot support, this might have been relevant, but at the moment our system supports all possible types of addresses. Adding this information now would be redundant.

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I would also like to suggest reconsidering the tooltip functions that you have indicated by the ? logo. This is a useful feature, but why did you make them visible all the time? In the web version, some windows overlap each other and become unreadable:

✅ We thought it would be more convenient this way, but judging by customer feedback, it didn't work out. We have removed them. Smiley

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If you leave any number of pop-ups open, they will remain on the screen after moving to screen 3, but when moving to screen 4, they will disappear.

✅ That's funny, we've fixed it. We've disabled the ability to pin windows.

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When you click on Start new mixing ⇆ your tumbler code will already be entered in the corresponding field, but as soon as you change the language, all these settings will disappear and you will have to enter everything manually. This is what it looks like:

✅ We have already described this issue above. It's due to the dynamic nature of our system.

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What happens when I first want to delete the order information and then start a new mix with a new tumbler code:

✅ The tumbler code is not connected to your current order. After deleting your order, your code will still work.
We are planning to release two important articles with illustrations soon:

1. How the Bitcoin mixer [banned mixer] works.
2. What is a Tumbler code and how does it work.

We will try to explain in detail how our project works as a whole and its individual modules.

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Why can’t first delete information about the previous order, and then start a new mixing with the new tumbler code already inserted? This is convenient, but the site is imperfect and allows you to select one thing, and then immediately transfers you to another screen.

✅ We've made a change. Information about your order will be deleted, but there will no longer be an automatic redirect to the homepage.

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Another bug. I previously talked about the problem of changing the language on the title screen and I see that this problem has been fixed... but not completely. The top logo works correctly, but the bottom one also resets the language settings:

✅ We've fixed the issue you mentioned. The language change functionality now works correctly across all elements of the homepage, including the top logo and other sections.

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Next, let's look at your list of links at the bottom of the page, I suggest you add an address verification function there:
So why not add it to the main page? This is much more convenient than placing a mention of this service in the depths of the FAQ, and even in the form of text rather than a hyperlink.

✅ To make address verification more accessible, we have now introduced an "offline" version of this feature
/verify]https://[banned mixer]/verify

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I also recommend that you create a separate page with a brief description of all your advantages that clearly distinguish you from other mixers, for example, the Benefits page:

✅ Added to the home page

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I also want to draw attention to additional social networks. There is nothing else besides bitcointalk and twitter.

✅ We've heard your feedback and have decided to temporarily remove the Twitter icon. Currently, we are focusing our resources on other aspects of our service, but we do plan to revisit and expand our presence on additional social networks in the future. Thank you for bringing this to our attention, and we appreciate your understanding as we work to enhance our user experience.

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I would like to have links to these forums and reviews so that you can check this information in order to familiarize yourself.
Knowing how paranoid crypto users can sometimes be, I can tell you that some, at the first glance at your mixer, may have a strong feeling that you are some kind of scam or have been abandoned for a long time. There are no methods of communication, Twitter is abandoned, there are no other social networks, there are only 4 pages with posts on the forum, no other forums are indicated. Distribution in the crypto community is currently about zero, I hope you will correct this situation.

✅ We've added links to the forum and reviews directly within the text that you mentioned. You can now verify our service and interact with the community through these links. The text that you referred to has been created as an SEO block with the relevant tasks in mind.

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I understand why this happens and it throws me to the bottom of the screen, because your previous open tab closes immediately after the next one opens. Since you have them of different sizes, this effect occurs. I'll come back to this in another chapter of this review and show you the real scale of the problem associated with this way of presenting information to users.

I would like to pay special attention to this section of the site, because there is something to improve and finalize. As I wrote above, this section has problems both in the web version and in the mobile versions. Despite the fact that I consider this format for presenting information extremely controversial (I mean opening separate hidden tabs for each FAQ item), there are services that have implemented this function well:

✅ With the recent update, we have resolved this issue, ensuring a smoother user experience.

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When working with chat, language settings are also reset. If I create a chat and then try to delete it, I will be redirected to the title screen with the language settings reset. The algorithm is exactly the same as when trying to delete information about a completed mixing:

✅ We've made the necessary adjustments to prevent language settings from resetting when working with the chat feature. Now, when you create or delete a chat, your language preference will remain unchanged.

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It’s a pity that I didn’t pay attention to this in my first review, otherwise I would strongly recommend that you ask users who are fluent in the language that is presented on your site to check its correctness. I checked the Russian version of the site and found some errors in the texts and words. After my review, you can be sure that the Russian translation is okay, but I'm not sure about the other language versions. Ask the community to check the translations of your site. I will point out to you very obvious errors in the Russian text, I will not find fault with various missing commas. What I highlighted with a red frame in the pictures should be replaced with what I highlighted with green text, since this is the correct spelling.

✅ We appreciate your feedback and plan to have all the original texts undergo additional review. In any case, thank you for the corrections you've provided! We have made the necessary changes and addressed the issues you highlighted.



BlackHatCoiner

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



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Your Twitter account is empty, no avatar, no post.

✅ We have decided to temporarily remove the Twitter icon. Currently, we are focusing our resources on other aspects of our service, but we do plan to revisit and expand our presence on additional social networks in the future.

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I can only check the French language, but I'd like to point out that the site's translation is more than a little unreliable.

✅ In the near future, all texts will be reviewed and corrected by native speakers of each language.



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✅ You've created not just a review but an excellent article. You have a talent for writing beautifully. Smiley

Regarding the issues you mentioned, most of them were addressed during the previous testing phase. Any remaining problems have been fixed and described in detail above, and no significant issues were identified.



SamReomo

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



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The importance of letter of guarantee

✅ We plan to provide a more detailed explanation of how the Letter of guarantee works within the letter itself Smiley We've also added the ability to verify Letters on the website.



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There is no easyway to retrieve an old order if you accidentally close the page.
The website needs clearer explanations about "Tumbler code." How it works and what information the system stores.

✅ We plan to add an article about the Tumbler code to the website, and we've duplicated the order information in the Letter of guarantee.



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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



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I deliberately entered the Captcha wrong, however, it took some time (more than a few seconds) to let me know that the captcha i entered is incorrect. Although not a big deal, but the response time can be increased.

✅ The loading process occurs dynamically using encryption and a secure data transmission protocol, so the speed is optimized for maximum security.

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Downloading the letter of grantee is optional, why not make it mandatory? This is my suggestion as this will help those who are mixing. Normally people will ignore and not download the letter of grantee once they feel comfortable with the mixer after using it multiple times. (maybe ask to tick in the checkbox that the letter of grantee is downloaded before proceeding ? )

✅ From a usability perspective, even something as simple as a CAPTCHA can impact conversion rates. Introducing another mandatory step would likely reduce the number of orders.



stompix

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



un_rank

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



Z-tight

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



Yatsan

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



ETFbitcoin

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[banned mixer] FAQ mention it support 5 address type (P2PKH, P2SH, P2WPKH, P2WSH, P2TR ), so i decide to test it briefly. For Bech32/Bech32m address, i use test data from BIP 173[1] and 350[2]. [banned mixer] handle mixed case (Bech32), testnet addresses, upper case (Bech32) properly. But i found it it failed on several uncommon cases

✅ This issue has been addressed and fixed.

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



joker_josue

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When we wait for the mixing to be done, in step 4 "In progress", there could be a sound signal each time the process moves to the next mixing phase (with the user being able to deactivate it). This allowed, if the user keeps the browser window open, to always know that a phase of the process has been passed;

✅ It's not possible (without obtaining autoplay authorization from the user) to implement this feature due to browser limitations.

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Still related to the mixing code, from what I understand, it is only possible to use one code at a time. How does it work if the person has two codes that have not yet been used, and only wants to use them in a third mix? It could be useful to have the option to add more than one mixing code.

✅ We will describe this in a future article on the website.

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



bitmover

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



Harkorede

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



khaled0111

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.



TryNinja

✅ We answered this above, thank you for the tests!



Summary.

1. Almost every tester emphasized the importance of the Tumbler code explanation. We will prepare a detailed article on how it works. In a nutshell, it's an important module that ensures secure operation with the system.
2. We are aware of translation issues, and native speakers are already working on corrections.
3. Over the course of two testing phases, we have completed over 200 tasks.

Tasks in the queue:

1. Partner program
2. API
3. Additional texts on the homepage, new articles
4. Additional languages
5. Editing all texts by native speakers

At the moment, we believe the system is ready for full operation. We have increased reserves for mixing to 150 coins, with more than 350 coins remaining in cold wallets in case of reserve shortages with a small number of clients at the initial stage of operation.

We will be launching a signature campaign in the near future.

Thank you all for participating in the testing!
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