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September 22, 2023, 07:08:58 PM
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The only distinction in the screenshot you've shared is that they explicitly mention you can't 'buy' the top position among recommended casinos. Naturally, ofcourse that would be the case otherwise it would undermine and expose their entire Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) operation.

While they can't openly 'buy' their position, it doesn't mean that Casino Guru doesn't operate in a manner that indirectly protects high-traffic and revenue-generating referral links. In my view, it involves selectively handling certain complaints and reviews to maintain a balanced casino profile, including those like Cloudbet

You can try to reframe the 'affiliate' arrangement any way you want, but it doesn't change the fact that they are essentially on casinos' payrolls through referral links. This was a point you seemed uncertain about just a few posts ago, yet I've been highlighting it from the beginning.


How... exactly earning from referral link [of which it's been repetitively explained to you what this "revenue" most likely are for] made them on casinos' payroll? I am somewhat sure if you're willing to put it in writing that you'll handle all of their expenses, they'll agree to drop the referral link right on that second. The links are there not because they're under the casinos's payroll, they have to use the referral links to make sure they can foot the bill on their "mission" to help customers to be well mediated and get the best available [and tested] knowledge about casinos for free. Again, it doesn't make them affiliated with the casinos as in being their subsidiary, related-to, or being employed. It's simply their way to provide service without asking the users to pay them. Using your same argument, though, can we say wikipedia is affiliated and on several thousands of people's payroll? Because they annually open themselves for "coffee" donation?

But, as you're so hell bent [understandably, because this is the only basis of your accusation] on the payroll idea, let's amuse your idea for a second, let's suppose they are protecting casinos because they got paid [again, this is just to entertain an idea, not the actual situation] don't you agree that, naturally, it would also be on their best interest to not undermining and exposing their entire "shady" ADR operation by dropping cloudbet like a hot potato, to ensure the longevity of these "shady" business?

Especially since they're not that big of a casino. I mean... have you look at casinos that CG facilitates as an ADR and under their review? I won't pretend I have the data, but I'm sure there are plenty of casinos there, and judging from the gambling threads in this forum [or from this board only], there are many bigger "employer" that generates revenue that dwarfed cloudbet's. I honestly don't think cloudbet even on their top 20 referral-revenue.

From business perspective, this is not ideal.

And let's stop beating around the bush, this is not we [or me] being uncertain of what, this is us telling you that you made a strawman argument from the very beginning. You insist on something that's completely wrong just to validate your baseless accusation. We are all open for cases that have substantial proof, we oversee cases on neutral ground and don't take sides as we are not benefited from any side [you certainly won't accuse us of being on CG's payroll... oh wait, you did], but so far, you seemed have a very weak evidences, and the very one you provide [the referral link, or affiliation, if you prefer it that way] is already explained and "debunked".

If you have more to add, please provide them here with the backing evidences, we are more than happy to clear it for you.

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September 24, 2023, 06:09:32 PM
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The only distinction in the screenshot you've shared is that they explicitly mention you can't 'buy' the top position among recommended casinos. Naturally, ofcourse that would be the case otherwise it would undermine and expose their entire Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) operation.

While they can't openly 'buy' their position, it doesn't mean that Casino Guru doesn't operate in a manner that indirectly protects high-traffic and revenue-generating referral links. In my view, it involves selectively handling certain complaints and reviews to maintain a balanced casino profile, including those like Cloudbet

You can try to reframe the 'affiliate' arrangement any way you want, but it doesn't change the fact that they are essentially on casinos' payrolls through referral links. This was a point you seemed uncertain about just a few posts ago, yet I've been highlighting it from the beginning.


How... exactly earning from referral link [of which it's been repetitively explained to you what this "revenue" most likely are for] made them on casinos' payroll? I am somewhat sure if you're willing to put it in writing that you'll handle all of their expenses, they'll agree to drop the referral link right on that second. The links are there not because they're under the casinos's payroll, they have to use the referral links to make sure they can foot the bill on their "mission" to help customers to be well mediated and get the best available [and tested] knowledge about casinos for free. Again, it doesn't make them affiliated with the casinos as in being their subsidiary, related-to, or being employed. It's simply their way to provide service without asking the users to pay them. Using your same argument, though, can we say wikipedia is affiliated and on several thousands of people's payroll? Because they annually open themselves for "coffee" donation?

But, as you're so hell bent [understandably, because this is the only basis of your accusation] on the payroll idea, let's amuse your idea for a second, let's suppose they are protecting casinos because they got paid [again, this is just to entertain an idea, not the actual situation] don't you agree that, naturally, it would also be on their best interest to not undermining and exposing their entire "shady" ADR operation by dropping cloudbet like a hot potato, to ensure the longevity of these "shady" business?

Especially since they're not that big of a casino. I mean... have you look at casinos that CG facilitates as an ADR and under their review? I won't pretend I have the data, but I'm sure there are plenty of casinos there, and judging from the gambling threads in this forum [or from this board only], there are many bigger "employer" that generates revenue that dwarfed cloudbet's. I honestly don't think cloudbet even on their top 20 referral-revenue.

From business perspective, this is not ideal.

And let's stop beating around the bush, this is not we [or me] being uncertain of what, this is us telling you that you made a strawman argument from the very beginning. You insist on something that's completely wrong just to validate your baseless accusation. We are all open for cases that have substantial proof, we oversee cases on neutral ground and don't take sides as we are not benefited from any side [you certainly won't accuse us of being on CG's payroll... oh wait, you did], but so far, you seemed have a very weak evidences, and the very one you provide [the referral link, or affiliation, if you prefer it that way] is already explained and "debunked".

If you have more to add, please provide them here with the backing evidences, we are more than happy to clear it for you.

It seems like you're going to great lengths to discredit my perspective to the point where your arguments are becoming unclear and I can no longer make sense of what your saying.

Askgamblers and two other platforms accepted my reviews. That tells me there was nothing wrong or “unfair” about what I wrote.  On Askgamblers, Cloudbet has a 1/10 score, and they even recommend other casinos to use instead when you visit Cloudbet's profile. This is in stark contrast to CasinoGuru's remarkable  8/10 rating of Cloudbet and refusal to  publish  reviews.

Perhaps as I’ve stated before,  Cloudbet is a significant revenue source for CasinoGuru, while Askgamblers can afford to be more honest about the casino. Regardless, you seem to be ignoring the facts and becoming increasingly biased. Please step away, because whether it's true or not, you're starting to sound like a CasinoGuru member or affiliate of some kind.
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September 24, 2023, 07:32:14 PM
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It seems like you're going to great lengths to discredit my perspective to the point where your arguments are becoming unclear and I can no longer make sense of what your saying.

Askgamblers and two other platforms accepted my reviews. That tells me there was nothing wrong or “unfair” about what I wrote.  On Askgamblers, Cloudbet has a 1/10 score, and they even recommend other casinos to use instead when you visit Cloudbet's profile. This is in stark contrast to CasinoGuru's remarkable  8/10 rating of Cloudbet and refusal to  publish  reviews.

Perhaps as I’ve stated before,  Cloudbet is a significant revenue source for CasinoGuru, while Askgamblers can afford to be more honest about the casino. Regardless, you seem to be ignoring the facts and becoming increasingly biased. Please step away, because whether it's true or not, you're starting to sound like a CasinoGuru member or affiliate of some kind.

I wrote that great length to tell you that your proposed collusion between CG and casinos was baseless. Referral link were placed there to serve a purpose that's been repetitively explained to you. ADRs are independent agencies. If that's not enough, here's more,

You propose that CG wouldn't accept your review and taking sides with casinos because they're on the casinos payroll, namely by generating revenue through referral link. Thus, it's not too far fetched to apply the same idea, that other ADR who take referral link to generate revenue are also on casinos payroll, correct? And thus, should be and would be protecting their "employer", much like CG.

I'm glad that AG accepted your review, because... they can't possibly be on casinos payroll if they accepted bad reviews, correct?

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September 25, 2023, 09:57:44 AM
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It seems like you're going to great lengths to discredit my perspective to the point where your arguments are becoming unclear and I can no longer make sense of what your saying.

Askgamblers and two other platforms accepted my reviews. That tells me there was nothing wrong or “unfair” about what I wrote.  On Askgamblers, Cloudbet has a 1/10 score, and they even recommend other casinos to use instead when you visit Cloudbet's profile. This is in stark contrast to CasinoGuru's remarkable  8/10 rating of Cloudbet and refusal to  publish  reviews.

Perhaps as I’ve stated before,  Cloudbet is a significant revenue source for CasinoGuru, while Askgamblers can afford to be more honest about the casino. Regardless, you seem to be ignoring the facts and becoming increasingly biased. Please step away, because whether it's true or not, you're starting to sound like a CasinoGuru member or affiliate of some kind.

I wrote that great length to tell you that your proposed collusion between CG and casinos was baseless. Referral link were placed there to serve a purpose that's been repetitively explained to you. ADRs are independent agencies. If that's not enough, here's more,

You propose that CG wouldn't accept your review and taking sides with casinos because they're on the casinos payroll, namely by generating revenue through referral link. Thus, it's not too far fetched to apply the same idea, that other ADR who take referral link to generate revenue are also on casinos payroll, correct? And thus, should be and would be protecting their "employer", much like CG.

I'm glad that AG accepted your review, because... they can't possibly be on casinos payroll if they accepted bad reviews, correct?

Yet...

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thought?

I clearly stated that perhaps Cloudbet is a significant revenue source for CasinoGuru, while not for Askgamblers hence they why can afford to be more honest about the casino.

Your responses seem to be deteriorating in quality as you persist, sounding increasingly desperate for a 'checkmate' response, yet none have materialized thus far.
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September 25, 2023, 03:57:28 PM
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I clearly stated that perhaps Cloudbet is a significant revenue source for CasinoGuru, while not for Askgamblers hence they why can afford to be more honest about the casino.

So, just so we're clear here, you're ok with AG "being on the payroll" [if I may borrow your words] of casinos? What is your stance of an ADR/review site taking referral... oops, I mean being affiliated with casinos, again?

Your responses seem to be deteriorating in quality as you persist, sounding increasingly desperate for a 'checkmate' response, yet none have materialized thus far.

Hmm... nope, my responses has been consistent from the start: referral is the way casinos fund their services and keep it running. I am not swaying left or right from my initial argument. If you feel it detoriating and sounding desperate, it's probably because your strawman house started to crumble so you've begin grasping at the falling straws just to... keep the house intact.

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September 25, 2023, 04:18:06 PM
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I clearly stated that perhaps Cloudbet is a significant revenue source for CasinoGuru, while not for Askgamblers hence they why can afford to be more honest about the casino.
It is clear you are upset at both Casino Guru and their (as you put it) ties with Cloudbet and Curacao licenced casinos but do ask yourself if you are taking your frustration a little too far. You are heading in to the conspiracy theory bracket as long as you do not provide tangible evidence to provide credibility to your claim.

Now, let me share my experience. I had a dispute with Cloudbet due to their misleading advertising, where they pretended to be licensed and regulated in my jurisdiction. They took advantage of my problem gambling, despite my self-exclusion.
Going back to your OP, you stated have concerns you did not receive professional customer services support considering you self-excluded, yet you were taken advantage of (because of misleading advertising). Can you tell us what you will (or intend to) do next regarding all the issues you have expressed in this thread?

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September 26, 2023, 04:43:16 PM
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Now, let me share my experience. I had a dispute with Cloudbet due to their misleading advertising, where they pretended to be licensed and regulated in my jurisdiction. They took advantage of my problem gambling, despite my self-exclusion.
Going back to your OP, you stated have concerns you did not receive professional customer services support considering you self-excluded, yet you were taken advantage of (because of misleading advertising). Can you tell us what you will (or intend to) do next regarding all the issues you have expressed in this thread?

For cloudbet? I think he's going to slap them with lawsuit. Shortened, got in touch with a lawyer in Curacao who suggested him to file a lawsuit in his own country and if the judge ruled in his favor, that lawyer in Curacao can enforce this ruling to cloudbet. That, in fact, is doable, enforcing a foreign court ruling is a known practice, although different countries has different approach. A quick google check to confirms that Curacao's foreign court ruling often involve re-litigation, though. It basically means that foreign ruling will be reviewed again by the Curacao judicial body.

For CG? I don't think there's any so far.

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September 29, 2023, 10:15:46 PM
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casino.guru are fraudster,


i submitted the claim regarding stake.com manioulating the bets and they stretched the ticket two months and they stated i didn’t proved any proof,


although i provided them all the proof, and x posed casino malpractices and organisation
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they stated provablyfair.me is a third party verification tools for the stake.com
but they are under the same umbrella company .


they even lied about most the things. they denied about stake.com having a 400 million lawsuit . and are in denial and colluding with the casino.

here is the thread with screenshot and proof , about how casino.guru lied and  covering up for stake.com

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468477.0
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September 29, 2023, 11:09:06 PM
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I also add my +1 on CG and their ties with shady offshore crypto sites; I don't believe that CG even cares %1 about complainters, they just care about their referral codes; Fuck Them!

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