Ban from a Casino for Nothing Other Than Winning Too Much Money

[agustina2]

If that was the casinos decision to ban Dana White on their premises, nothing Dana can do but just have fun on them. The casino can do that anytime in a professional way. Since Dana is now damaging the overall revenue of the casino, they decide to kicked him out. Maybe at first, the said casinos are happy that there's a big whale spending money on them but later on, Dana now become a big threat lol.

Lucky Dana. Even he's a whale, he still need that dn luck to win huge consistently.

[Mauser]

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

I have never noticed a casino banning someone for winning money, or heard it from someone that I know. The only times when I noticed that people got asked to the leave the casino, was when they where too drunk and ended up being loud and annoying other people. What also happened in the past was that some people weren't allowed to enter the casino because their dresscode was too casual. The case of Dana White seems to be special, because there is no way that he can beat the casino games consistently. All the games in the casino are designed with a house edge that makes sure the casino is making money longterm. So, even if one player gets lucky one night and makes a big profit, wouldn't the casino want him to come back to lose his winnings again? To me it seems that a ban is too strict and leaves the casino with a big loss. This of course assumes that the player is not cheating, in case there are some evidence that the player is abusing the games or directly cheating, then casino needs to ban him. Casinos need to have a strict 0% approach to cheating, and give people that violate it a lifetime ban to avoid other people to try it out.

[davis196]

This is a dumb move from the casino owners. It creates bad public image of the casino. Many gamblers might hear and read about this news and decide not to gamble on this casino, because they might get banned. That's not how you do proper marketing and public relations.
The right thing to do is to keep the gambler playing in the casino, until he(or she) starts losing big. This is the only way for the casino to get it's money back. That's why many offline casinos are offering free drinks and free hotel rooms to gamblers, who are winning big.

[len01]

anything that threatens gambling bankruptcy will certainly immediately take action such as prohibiting gamblers from gambling at the gambling site. but if a casino is already established and already has a very large bankroll, I am sure the ban is just like giving a maximum betting limit so that gamblers not be able to exceed the winning limit that has been determined by the casino bankroll and this is just my opinion, usually on gambling sites online has a maximum betting limit so the possibility of a ban occurring due to another offense. I mean nowadays popular casinos rarely ban gamblers unless they cheat.

[CODE200]

Let's take a moment to think about this and tell me if I am correct. All of the people whom I have observed getting banned from gambling at casinos by the casino management, aside from misconduct and other offenses, are individuals who keep winning significant amounts of money. For instance, consider Dana White.  

He has been prohibited from playing at some of the city’s best casinos, including the Wynn and the Palms, due to his high-stakes gambling habits.  The UFC president is an avid gambler who has won substantial sums of money while spending hours at the tables in his chosen state of Nevada. But after some of his spectacular winning streaks, large hotel and casino locations like the Wynn have previously given him trouble. https://www.insidesport.in/accused-of-bankrupting-hotel-dana-white-explains-getting-banned-racking-up/#:~:text=He%20has%20been%20prohibited%20from,his%20chosen%20state%20of%20Nevada.

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

This is actually a measure done by the casino to avoid their business from collapsing, as someone like Dana White can cause their business to end. Because not only gamblers can lose huge amount of money, but also the casino itself. But I don't think it's right to ban someone just because they were that "good" in gambling.
Unless if they had won dishonestly and that they committed any cheating activities or offensive considering the terms and conditions of the casino, I think it’s fair to ban them if they have done something like these. Maybe casinos can think of other ways to regulate this kind of matters, because I believe that banning someone is not an answer to this as it can deprive someone from engaging in such activities.
But again, it is the decision of the casino as they still have the power to ban and prohibit someone from engaging in gambling.

[Yamifoud]

Let's take a moment to think about this and tell me if I am correct. All of the people whom I have observed getting banned from gambling at casinos by the casino management, aside from misconduct and other offenses, are individuals who keep winning significant amounts of money. For instance, consider Dana White.  

He has been prohibited from playing at some of the city’s best casinos, including the Wynn and the Palms, due to his high-stakes gambling habits.  The UFC president is an avid gambler who has won substantial sums of money while spending hours at the tables in his chosen state of Nevada. But after some of his spectacular winning streaks, large hotel and casino locations like the Wynn have previously given him trouble. https://www.insidesport.in/accused-of-bankrupting-hotel-dana-white-explains-getting-banned-racking-up/#:~:text=He%20has%20been%20prohibited%20from,his%20chosen%20state%20of%20Nevada.

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

There's nothing wrong with that. Casinos are in the business, so their main concern is profit. It's only unjustifiable if they ban a player without compensating him for his winnings, as that's a complete scam. Dana White is a popular personality; he could create a bad image for a casino by banning him, as he is sure he is not cheating at all. It's just that he has the skills to make casinos bankrupt. So either the casino allows its reputation to be ruined or it goes bankrupt. Of course, they will choose the lesser damage, which is banning a gambler.

With that said, I think the advent of crypto casinos has become an answer to that. However, if his skills are only applicable through face-to-face gambling in an actual casino, then he can't find any solution to his problem.

[Peanutswar]

Theres alot of news related on it because of the prominent people who excels in playing gambling once a player makes a good consecutive wins the management will look closely for this person to check if they are cheating or abusing the current system of the gambling casino, as far as I know they make a conduct of interview to that person if they thing its too much on them and possible reason is to get banned them, it has a big risk to their business of course imagine winner always taking a thousand bucks to your pocket, other reason why they banned too is the people who have a lot of debts and cant pay anymore and make a penalty under the casinos house rules.

[Kakmakr]

I think the key word here is .."high-stakes gambling habits" .... and that is a reputational risk for them, if Dana White continue that behavior and then get addicted to gambling. You do not want to be the casino that gets the bad reputation that you allowed a potential gambling addict to gamble at your casino.

"White revealed that he was banned from the Palms Casino after winning $1.6 million on a single night. It is worth noting that the Palms resort and casino is now owned by the former owners of the UFC, the Fertitta brothers, which has enabled White to gamble at the Palms again." - Source : https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-my-anxiety-s-roof-joe-rogan-breaks-silence-viral-gambling-video-dana-white-losing-600-grand-blackjack

Are they protecting themselves or are they protecting Dana White?

[Distinctin]

I think the key word here is .."high-stakes gambling habits" .... and that is a reputational risk for them, if Dana White continue that behavior and then get addicted to gambling. You do not want to be the casino that gets the bad reputation that you allowed a potential gambling addict to gamble at your casino.

"White revealed that he was banned from the Palms Casino after winning $1.6 million on a single night. It is worth noting that the Palms resort and casino is now owned by the former owners of the UFC, the Fertitta brothers, which has enabled White to gamble at the Palms again." - Source : https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-my-anxiety-s-roof-joe-rogan-breaks-silence-viral-gambling-video-dana-white-losing-600-grand-blackjack

Who cares about a gambler getting addicted? Casinos implementing bans on users is like going against their main purpose, which is to generate money. In the article, it wasn't mention that he lost money; it's the opposite. He is into high-stakes gambling, as evidenced by winning millions of dollars in his gambling sessions. I don't want to speculate a lot, but according to my own understanding, casinos will likely ban gamblers if they are taking too much of the profits, and I think that's the case here.

Are they protecting themselves or are they protecting Dana White?

They are protecting themselves.

[ethereumhunter]

Maybe it's normal for a casino to prohibit someone from gambling and getting big winnings at its place continuously because it could harm the casino's finances. The casino does not want to suffer losses from this person so it must prohibit him from gambling at its casino. And this person should know that he can no longer gamble at that casino and move to another casino. They don't cheat, but the big wins they get can pose a risk to the casino and the casino owner certainly wants to avoid seeing his business get into trouble.

[slapper]

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

I have never noticed a casino banning someone for winning money, or heard it from someone that I know. The only times when I noticed that people got asked to the leave the casino, was when they where too drunk and ended up being loud and annoying other people. What also happened in the past was that some people weren't allowed to enter the casino because their dresscode was too casual. The case of Dana White seems to be special, because there is no way that he can beat the casino games consistently. All the games in the casino are designed with a house edge that makes sure the casino is making money longterm. So, even if one player gets lucky one night and makes a big profit, wouldn't the casino want him to come back to lose his winnings again? To me it seems that a ban is too strict and leaves the casino with a big loss. This of course assumes that the player is not cheating, in case there are some evidence that the player is abusing the games or directly cheating, then casino needs to ban him. Casinos need to have a strict 0% approach to cheating, and give people that violate it a lifetime ban to avoid other people to try it out.

Like you, I've often wondered why casinos don't ban winners. Right, why would they? It makes the game appealing! People win and lose, but the house always wins. Good call on the clothing code and drunken situations. I've seen that several times

Dana White is another matter. What makes his case unique? A mystery. Since all casino games have a house edge, as you noted. Even if he had a lucky streak, wouldn't the casino want him back to lose it all? It's what keeps casinos going

What if the casino thinks barring huge winners sends the message that its games are so fantastic even big shooters can't defeat them? Strange strategy, but who knows? Any sign of cheating is game over. No queries. Casinos can't ignore that. Gambling is hard, but fascinating

[Wapfika]

Maybe it's normal for a casino to prohibit someone from gambling and getting big winnings at its place continuously because it could harm the casino's finances. The casino does not want to suffer losses from this person so it must prohibit him from gambling at its casino. And this person should know that he can no longer gamble at that casino and move to another casino. They don't cheat, but the big wins they get can pose a risk to the casino and the casino owner certainly wants to avoid seeing his business get into trouble.

The problem is most of the casino is connected to each other so they share information about certain customers that gives them a hard time then later on him too. The person we are talking about here is a high roller with a very good analysis skills which means this person is a threat to casino industry.

Not only physical casino but also online casino is banning user or limiting their bets if they are winning too much. No business will allow someone to continuously drain their bankroll while they have a lot of customers contributing to the profit which they can focus on.

[Crypt0Gore]

Yes this habit isn't new again, and sorry for being the victim, the truth is anyone will do the same thing if the online casino is yours, casinos can never be friendly to someone who only knows how to win the house, I used to tell people that online casinos know what they are doing, they take more money from gamblers and give you few wins, it is what it is.

If your winning is getting too much they will block you from using their platform again and it's expected lol, why must you be that always lucky? Maybe you are using something powerful to place the bet? Believe it or not, this is what will be going on in their heads, they will try to find every clue and look through your past gambling strategies, if they can't find anything and the casino is a well reputable one, they will allow you to withdraw your funds and that's it, there is no coming back.

I like thinking about the other people, even when I am at an advantage, what would you have done if you own the casino? You will surely kick someone like that out, isn't it? Casinos have every right to always be the winner, they can kick you out if you win too much.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I've heard this a lot from sports betting winners in Spain, that they limit their account or even prevent them from playing any more, which I don't know how legal it is.

It also reminds me of the story of the Pelayos brothers, who discovered some mathematical imperfections in the physical roulette wheels in casinos, whereby some numbers tended to come up more in the long run, and they bet on it, winning a lot of money. As soon as the casinos realised this, they also banned them, but the brothers took the case to court and won. I can't find a good summary of the story in English but here is something:

The fabulous story of the Pelayos (La fabulosa historia de los Pelayo)

The way I see it, the casino can't ban you because you win a lot, and it seems to me that it has a difficult defence in court, but I guess casinos can also spend a lot on law firms, which can defend pretty much anything.

[YOSHIE]

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

But at the end of the conversation written in the source, Dana White, stated like this.

Dana White said “It’s not that I’m banned from casinos, it’s just that they don’t want me to play there.”

As far as I know, cases like Dana White's, apply in physical casinos, the story is different if Dana White plays in an online casino, it could be that he doesn't have the opportunities that happen in the physical casino.

An incident like what happened to Dana White is exactly what happened in the James Bond film, he became a target for bandits to kill, because he won consecutive bets, yes, it is normal for the casino to forbid Dana White from betting at the casino, because the actions taken by Dana White could be detrimental to the casino owner, they anticipated this action, in my opinion this is one of the anti-loss measures for the casino.

[Woodie]

Let's take a moment to think about this and tell me if I am correct. All of the people whom I have observed getting banned from gambling at casinos by the casino management, aside from misconduct and other offenses, are individuals who keep winning significant amounts of money.

I kind of agree with this!!
And with several cases that have found themselves in the reputation thread against  casinos/sportsbooks, showing beyond reasonable doubt that winning players always get banned or funds frozen due to the huge wins... sends out a message of winners aren't welcome and it's no coincidence!!
They might not say it like I did, but they hit players with all these flimsy excuses just to try and reduce payouts by offering to give back their deposits and forget about the other coins in trying to reduce their payouts(expenses).

It also reminds me of the story of the Pelayos brothers, who discovered some mathematical imperfections in the physical roulette wheels in casinos, whereby some numbers tended to come up more in the long run, and they bet on it, winning a lot of money. As soon as the casinos realised this, they also banned them, but the brothers took the case to court and won. I can't find a good summary of the story in English but here is something:

The fabulous story of the Pelayos (La fabulosa historia de los Pelayo)

Thought this was written in Spanish and didn't bother opening the link, but this kind of proves that winners are indeed not welcome!!

[piebeyb]

I like thinking about the other people, even when I am at an advantage, what would you have done if you own the casino? You will surely kick someone like that out, isn't it? Casinos have every right to always be the winner, they can kick you out if you win too much.

Yes, that's right and actually this can also be used as evidence if casinos limit things like that and prohibit someone from betting on their site, whether online or offline, it seems good to show that bookies can also be defeated to dispel the assumptions of people who have always thought that casinos and bookies always win, I'm sure if people who oppose this will definitely do the same thing where their money will continue to be drained to pay gamblers who win continuously.

Usually what I find is that there are often casinos that limit the user's bets because he keeps winning in those bets, for example sports betting, so maybe he is an expert in his field or is considered an insider who fixes the scores, I think other casinos will definitely limit and prohibit that too, even if someone else were a casino owner they would definitely do the same thing.

[irhact]

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

Most casino that I know of don't do this, the only time I have heard of casino banning individual from playing in their casino is when they have done some things that are prohibited by the casino policy. For example, when they cheat the casino or destroy property or the peace of the casino by getting into a fight with other individual that came to gamble or doing other things that the casino don't like, that's when I know they'll banned you from coming to gamble.

If you're a frequent winner in my country, the casino might make you there ambassador so they can attract more customers because they'll use you to make others know that they can become winners too. Casino are making alots of money and they can pay out all winners.

[Hispo]

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I like thinking about the other people, even when I am at an advantage, what would you have done if you own the casino? You will surely kick someone like that out, isn't it? Casinos have every right to always be the winner, they can kick you out if you win too much.

Casinos can deny services to anyone they want or feel to be an inconvenient to their operations mostly because in the eyes of the law, they are private companies which reserve the right of admission, etc.

I wonder what would happen if someone could win in a consistent way at a casino which was (somehow) owned by the government and was not considered to be a private entity but rather a private one. Would they still have the right to kick out a citizen and ban them from ever playing again there? Probably, there has never been such precedent ever.

[darkangel11]

A number of things comes to mind after reading the story.
This is actually a way for Dana to boast and promote himself because he was banned due to being too good. I felt like that when I was being banned froim battlefield servers because they felt like I was cheating, but I wasn't. This is one of the situations where you feel good being kicked out by these pussies.

The casino had the right to ban him. They can allow or kick out whoever they like, but doing that comes with some negative press.

If a casino goes bankrupt because a player was good it's their fault for not being able to manage their bankroll.