[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 18th MAY 2024 re-scheduled

[JollyGood]

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FURY
vs
USYK

17th FEBRUARY 2024

A new date has been set for the Fury vs Usyk fight on 17th FEBRUARY 2024 for a fight to take place in Saudi Arabia.

Everything is at an early stage. More information will be added as it becomes available and the press conference is taking place right now.

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[JollyGood]

According to many outlets including The Guardian have reported Fury and Usyk will fight for the heavyweight unification fight. If this really does go ahead this time, it will be the first time since 1999 when Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield battled it out and it was Lewis who became undisputed heavyweight champions.

Fury himself has stated he does not see any problems fighting Ngannou on 28th October and then Usyk on 23rd December. In typical Fury banter he stated: "Double payday. There’ll be a nice big turkey in the Fury household this Christmas!"

Fury will need to get past Ngannou with relative ease otherwise Usyk will go in to that fight with a lot more confidence than Fury would have wanted. With a prize to go own in history, there is a massive prize on the line but at least they have signed contracts for the fight to take place on 23rd December 2023.

[JollyGood]

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After what happened in the fight between Tyson Fury and Francis Ngannou fight, I think Usyk will definitely feel he will become undisputed heavyweight champion if their fight goes ahead on 23rd December 2023. If there ever was a better time and chance to beat Fury, this has to be it. If he goes in to the ring on 23rd December knowing he has not rested after the Ngannou fight nor properly trained for Usyk, it is clear he will be in trouble.

[cabron]

^ In that image with Arum, Usyk looks smaller than Ngannou he is a champ in WBA and WBO but he hasn't fought tough ones like Wilder. I bet when he is there on top already, he'd be an easy champ to beat by those aspiring ones.  It depends on how agile he still would be after pumping his weight.

What weight would they fight at?
This is a factor to watch because this certainly affects the way they will fight. If Fury has to eat and drink less for 2 months, it's gonna be a loss for him.

[edmundduke]

Thats gona be a great fight. I think Fury still probably has an edge but the last fight showed that it is possible to take him down afterall. Also the fight is actually pretty near and there were some rumblings from Furys side that they might want to postpone it to a later date but Usyk sayd the contracts have been signed already (a while back Fury was making fun of Usyk that he cant back out as contracts done, oh my how the tables have turned lol)

[coin-investor]

After what happened in the fight between Tyson Fury and Francis Ngannou fight, I think Usyk will definitely feel he will become undisputed heavyweight champion if their fight goes ahead on 23rd December 2023. If there ever was a better time and chance to beat Fury, this has to be it. If he goes in to the ring on 23rd December knowing he has not rested after the Ngannou fight nor properly trained for Usyk, it is clear he will be in trouble.

I have seen the interview and USYK is very eager to fight Fury, he thinks that Fury is going downhill, and has crashed because of Ngannou's fight, there's no air of arrogance or confidence in Fury's eyes when they met, and Fury's promoters tries to save him by trying to move the date but since the contract is already been signed there's no way Fury can just back out but, if they can present a medical condition that can be backed that Fury needs a long rest then there's a possibility that the fight could be moved in January or February next year.

Fury needs to recuperate it is not only his body and face that need to recuperate he also needs his wounded ego to recuperate, right now there's so much bashing and insult being thrown on Fury and he needs to get this over and be fully prepared before he face Usyk, I think Usyk should thank Ngannou for exposing his weaknesses, before this fight,  people are consistent in saying Usyk has little chance but now its a big turn around, its Fury that has a little chance to beat Usyk.

[BIT-BENDER]

Tyson fury better pull out of the coming fight. He needs some time to recover after the beating he took from Francis Ngannou, he even had a black eye during his interview after the fight, USYK is a tough fighter and one fvat would give Tyson fury troubles even when Tyson fury is on his best day.

Tyson must have underated Francis Ngannou so much as to think he would breeze in an breeze out of their fight untouched and go into the next fight, but medically I think if the fight between him and USYK goes on he would be at the disadvantage.

[BitcoinPanther]

After what happened in the fight between Tyson Fury and Francis Ngannou fight, I think Usyk will definitely feel he will become undisputed heavyweight champion if their fight goes ahead on 23rd December 2023. If there ever was a better time and chance to beat Fury, this has to be it. If he goes in to the ring on 23rd December knowing he has not rested after the Ngannou fight nor properly trained for Usyk, it is clear he will be in trouble.

It is possible that Tyson Fury underestimate Ngannou so it affects his performance. I feel like when I was watching Fury he isn't 100% trained for that fight, his physique is way more flabby so I guess Fury was missing some training session before the fight.

We really can think that with the recent performance of Tyson Fury, Usyk will have the higher chance of winning the fight but I think Tyson Fury had learned some lesson in his fight against Ngannou and might probably get more serious preparation in his next fight.


Regardless I still think Ngannou won that fight and it should have been him and not Tyson Fury that should be in the upcoming unification fight.

[JollyGood]

^ In that image with Arum, Usyk looks smaller than Ngannou he is a champ in WBA and WBO but he hasn't fought tough ones like Wilder. I bet when he is there on top already, he'd be an easy champ to beat by those aspiring ones.  It depends on how agile he still would be after pumping his weight.

That is Bob Arum and yes Usyk does seem much smaller than Ngannou. Look at him standing next to Fury, ordinarily you would think he has no chance but the way Fury is fighting and the way Usyk wants this fight to go ahead, it is clear he will be relentless in his pursuit and could defeat Fury.

Thats gona be a great fight. I think Fury still probably has an edge but the last fight showed that it is possible to take him down afterall. Also the fight is actually pretty near and there were some rumblings from Furys side that they might want to postpone it to a later date but Usyk sayd the contracts have been signed already (a while back Fury was making fun of Usyk that he cant back out as contracts done, oh my how the tables have turned lol)

Would the time from now until the proposed fight date on 23rd December allow Fury enough time to get back to his best physical condition to be in serious contention to win the fight?

[JollyGood]

THE PRESS CONFERENCE IS TAKING PLACE NOW: The fight has been booked for 17th February 2024

Sylvester Stallone walked on to the stage to the sound of the Rocky film. When Fury and Usyk faced-off they were almost headbutting each other. What a way to promote the fight. I think the fight will go ahead this time, neither party will pull out and cancel the fight. This is the first heavyweight unification fight taking place this century (the last unified heavyweight champion was Lennox Lewis).

[KTChampions]

THE PRESS CONFERENCE IS TAKING PLACE NOW: The fight has been booked for 17th February 2024

Sylvester Stallone walked on to the stage to the sound of the Rocky film. When Fury and Usyk faced-off they were almost headbutting each other. What a way to promote the fight. I think the fight will go ahead this time, neither party will pull out and cancel the fight. This is the first heavyweight unification fight taking place this century (the last unified heavyweight champion was Lennox Lewis).

This seems to be the case. I'm a little disappointed because this deadline gives time for the greedy belly to get into shape, but on the other hand it will be a fair fight when both boxers are in optimal shape and no one is underestimating anyone.

Fury will be the favorite, but clearly not the same as he would be without the fight with Ngannou. What do you think, starting from what odds will it be profitable to bet on: Fury, Usyk?

[Baofeng]

THE PRESS CONFERENCE IS TAKING PLACE NOW: The fight has been booked for 17th February 2024

Sylvester Stallone walked on to the stage to the sound of the Rocky film. When Fury and Usyk faced-off they were almost headbutting each other. What a way to promote the fight. I think the fight will go ahead this time, neither party will pull out and cancel the fight. This is the first heavyweight unification fight taking place this century (the last unified heavyweight champion was Lennox Lewis).

Yeah, here is the full video of it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYTVlz57uZk.

I do like the head butting, I thought that it will go on a brawl, but Usyk just keep himself cool and just laughing it off.

But Fury, the usual, his mouth goes on a tirade, so the hype continues.

@KTChampions - I do agree, but Fury needs his body and mind to heal after the beating he got from Francis Ngannou, hehehe.

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

[JollyGood]

This seems to be the case. I'm a little disappointed because this deadline gives time for the greedy belly to get into shape, but on the other hand it will be a fair fight when both boxers are in optimal shape and no one is underestimating anyone.

Fury will be the favorite, but clearly not the same as he would be without the fight with Ngannou. What do you think, starting from what odds will it be profitable to bet on: Fury, Usyk?

If the fight went ahead in December, I think Fury would not have been fit or focused enough to give himself the best chance to win but by February next year both Fury and Usyk should be in optimal shape. If the fight does go ahead this time, I do think Fury will remain as the favourite but both are undefeated in their professional careers therefore this really will be the biggest fight since Lennox Lewis defeated Evander Holyfield

Yeah, here is the full video of it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYTVlz57uZk.

I do like the head butting, I thought that it will go on a brawl, but Usyk just keep himself cool and just laughing it off.

It was good to see Usyk not allowing Fury to dominate the press conference and yes the drama where their foreheads nearly started fighting, it was hilarious 

[Darker45]

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

[JollyGood]

The odds will change as and when the number of bets placed changes but it seems as though Fury is the favourite. What has to be mentioned is that he is definitely not overwhelmingly favourite and that is for two reasons. First, his display against Ngannou was nowhere near emphatic and second, Usyk has a real chance to win.

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

[inthelongrun]

^ In that image with Arum, Usyk looks smaller than Ngannou he is a champ in WBA and WBO but he hasn't fought tough ones like Wilder. I bet when he is there on top already, he'd be an easy champ to beat by those aspiring ones.  It depends on how agile he still would be after pumping his weight.

In today's generation of heavyweights, Usyk is just a blown-up cruiserweight. If not for his skills and high IQ he'll never have a chance of even getting a title shot. And by the way, he holds the Ring, WBA, IBF, and WBO belts so Fury's WBC belt is the only missing piece to determine the undisputed champion.

For years during AJ and Wilder's undefeated championship reigns, it's always the former favored by the betting odds. AJ has a shorter reign as champion than Wilder but his resume is always better than the American. AJ unified the belts and held 3 while Wilder never tried unifying his belt. Usyk did beat a version of AJ that is not undefeated anymore though while Fury is the only one that gave Wilder losses.

What weight would they fight at?
This is a factor to watch because this certainly affects the way they will fight. If Fury has to eat and drink less for 2 months, it's gonna be a loss for him.

Lol! It's the heavyweight. Fury can eat all he wants but I guess he enters the ring lighter knowing he is fighting someone that has speed and skills. Maybe 250+ or below 265 pounds.

[KTChampions]

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

[JollyGood]

The odds could not be too heavily biased towards either when you look at what the bookmakers are offering because it will be a very close fight.

As far as those of us who have an interest in boxing are concerned, how many would be shocked if Usyk won the fight? I am going for a Fury win but only just, overall I think he should win the fight but Usyk could win because the two are finely balanced. Neither looked supremely good in their most recent fight therefore it became harder to make a selection.

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

[KTChampions]

The odds could not be too heavily biased towards either when you look at what the bookmakers are offering because it will be a very close fight.

As far as those of us who have an interest in boxing are concerned, how many would be shocked if Usyk won the fight? I am going for a Fury win but only just, overall I think he should win the fight but Usyk could win because the two are finely balanced. Neither looked supremely good in their most recent fight therefore it became harder to make a selection.

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

If I remember correctly, in the first fight against AJ, Usik was assessed as an underdog with very weak chances, and even after the second fight with AJ, the majority thought that Fury would crush Usik. Now, after Fury first showed his uncertainty by avoiding the fight, and then showed his poor form in the fight with Ngannou, the circumstances for the quotes have changed. No one will be surprised by any outcome. It’s funny that in the end the fight could be dominated by Fury (due to his size and advantage in physical strength) or Usik (due to technique and speed), but before the fight the chances are really about 50 to 50. Therefore, for me personally, the skew of odds in favor of Fury lies in the area of cash flow and not in the area of how bookmakers assess their strength.

[Darker45]

The odds will change as and when the number of bets placed changes but it seems as though Fury is the favourite. What has to be mentioned is that he is definitely not overwhelmingly favourite and that is for two reasons. First, his display against Ngannou was nowhere near emphatic and second, Usyk has a real chance to win.

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

That was a rather quick and significant change in the odds based on actual betting when the fight is scheduled 3 months from now. I was curious which betting platform it was offered. Having an account there might be worth it.

Anyway, I doubt Fury took Ngannou very seriously. For somebody who had just crossed into boxing from MMA and has been inactive for almost two years, he probably wouldn't be taken as a big threat. Usyk has a chance but I don't think it's a big one.

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

I don't see it as 50:50. I actually agree with the odds. That's why I was curious where this Fury's 1.62 odds are posted because that's for me higher than it could actually be in reality. Usyk has a talent, yes, but if he could only win an SD against a breaking Joshua in their rematch, I can't see any reason how he could defeat a much bigger, stronger, and more confident and undefeated Fury.

[FinneysTrueVision]

^ In that image with Arum, Usyk looks smaller than Ngannou he is a champ in WBA and WBO but he hasn't fought tough ones like Wilder. I bet when he is there on top already, he'd be an easy champ to beat by those aspiring ones.  It depends on how agile he still would be after pumping his weight.

That is Bob Arum and yes Usyk does seem much smaller than Ngannou. Look at him standing next to Fury, ordinarily you would think he has no chance but the way Fury is fighting and the way Usyk wants this fight to go ahead, it is clear he will be relentless in his pursuit and could defeat Fury.

That picture is from several years ago. Usyk has put on more muscle and gotten stronger since then. Fury likes to use his size and strength to bully his opponents. Ngannou showed that if you can neutralize those advantages Fury is a lot less effective. For Usyk, who normally weighs around 220 lbs, the disadvantages might be too significant to overcome.

[KTChampions]

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

I don't see it as 50:50. I actually agree with the odds. That's why I was curious where this Fury's 1.62 odds are posted because that's for me higher than it could actually be in reality. Usyk has a talent, yes, but if he could only win an SD against a breaking Joshua in their rematch, I can't see any reason how he could defeat a much bigger, stronger, and more confident and undefeated Fury.

This is not sumo where size and weight always help you, if Fury cannot hit Usik, then there is a chance that by the end of the fight Fury himself will fall from fatigue (haha). The question is how much faster Usik will be and how long he can remain invulnerable. It’s hard for me to guess who will be luckier - Usik or Fury, so I’m taking the basic 50/50. There were many fights where the technician wore down the knockout guy and vice versa where the knockout guy suppressed the technician with his physical power, I don’t know how it will be here. And it’s clear that they’re both techies, but there’s a similar pattern here: superior power versus speed.

[Darker45]

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

I don't see it as 50:50. I actually agree with the odds. That's why I was curious where this Fury's 1.62 odds are posted because that's for me higher than it could actually be in reality. Usyk has a talent, yes, but if he could only win an SD against a breaking Joshua in their rematch, I can't see any reason how he could defeat a much bigger, stronger, and more confident and undefeated Fury.

This is not sumo where size and weight always help you, if Fury cannot hit Usik, then there is a chance that by the end of the fight Fury himself will fall from fatigue (haha). The question is how much faster Usik will be and how long he can remain invulnerable. It’s hard for me to guess who will be luckier - Usik or Fury, so I’m taking the basic 50/50. There were many fights where the technician wore down the knockout guy and vice versa where the knockout guy suppressed the technician with his physical power, I don’t know how it will be here. And it’s clear that they’re both techies, but there’s a similar pattern here: superior power versus speed.

Come on! In boxing, size and weight always matter. There's a reason why an agreed weight will have to be strictly implemented. To fail is to pay a costly fine. Worse, the match could be cancelled and you're still asked to pay for certain expenses. Moreover, Fury isn't that big that it's taking a toll on his movement and speed. Fury floats. This is a lethal combination.

In addition to his size and weight, which Fury makes the most of in his fights, there's also that 7-inch difference in reach. We've also seen how Fury stretches that arm to keep his opponents at bay.

I'm not saying Usyk doesn't even have the slightest chance to win. The man is quick for his weight class. But it cannot be possible that he would wear out Fury to the point that he would fall from fatigue. LOL!

[KTChampions]

This is not sumo where size and weight always help you, if Fury cannot hit Usik, then there is a chance that by the end of the fight Fury himself will fall from fatigue (haha). The question is how much faster Usik will be and how long he can remain invulnerable. It’s hard for me to guess who will be luckier - Usik or Fury, so I’m taking the basic 50/50. There were many fights where the technician wore down the knockout guy and vice versa where the knockout guy suppressed the technician with his physical power, I don’t know how it will be here. And it’s clear that they’re both techies, but there’s a similar pattern here: superior power versus speed.

Come on! In boxing, size and weight always matter. There's a reason why an agreed weight will have to be strictly implemented. To fail is to pay a costly fine. Worse, the match could be cancelled and you're still asked to pay for certain expenses. Moreover, Fury isn't that big that it's taking a toll on his movement and speed. Fury floats. This is a lethal combination.

In addition to his size and weight, which Fury makes the most of in his fights, there's also that 7-inch difference in reach. We've also seen how Fury stretches that arm to keep his opponents at bay.

I'm not saying Usyk doesn't even have the slightest chance to win. The man is quick for his weight class. But it cannot be possible that he would wear out Fury to the point that he would fall from fatigue. LOL!

Oh, well, I hope you didn’t take my words about fatigue literally? I meant a slightly different kind of fatigue - when you can’t hit your opponent and he regularly hits you. At this weight, even light jabs (that land) are exhausting, and if it goes on for 12 rounds, any boxer can get tired. In general, if you look at what you write, Usik has chances, but they are so illusory that there are almost none, but even bookmakers give him solid chances.

[JollyGood]

No matter how big and bulky any opponent might be, Fury can still use his size and weight to drain energy from opponents but Ngannou was the exception (probably because he was used to a different type of fighting skill in MMA).

I think Usyk will feel the pressure when Fury uses his body weight to try to bully him but maybe he will handle it like Ngannou because he himself is a brilliant boxer. When the fight takes place, it will all unfold.

That picture is from several years ago. Usyk has put on more muscle and gotten stronger since then. Fury likes to use his size and strength to bully his opponents. Ngannou showed that if you can neutralize those advantages Fury is a lot less effective. For Usyk, who normally weighs around 220 lbs, the disadvantages might be too significant to overcome.

[Coin_trader]

No matter how big and bulky any opponent might be, Fury can still use his size and weight to drain energy from opponents but Ngannou was the exception (probably because he was used to a different type of fighting skill in MMA).

I think Usyk will feel the pressure when Fury uses his body weight to try to bully him but maybe he will handle it like Ngannou because he himself is a brilliant boxer. When the fight takes place, it will all unfold.

Fury is surprised that his main weapon clinched and punch doesn’t work to Ngannou since he can still receive a much solid blow compared on what he is giving to Francis. On typical boxer Fury fight, This style was working due to his stamina advantage yet Ngannou overcome this like he was trained to fight in close combat.

I believe too that Usyk will suffer worst if he will fight Ngannou because this beast is trained well to fight heavy weight in boxing while he has a very destructive punch. I though he was gonna be a glass cannon since he is amateur on boxing yet he is resilient like tire rubber. 

[Natalim]

Usyk shouldn't just base his assessment of Fury's abilities solely on the Ngannou fight. It's possible that Fury didn't take that match as seriously, resulting in a less intense training regimen compared to his usual rigorous routine. Now that Fury has experienced the close call and understands the risk, he might step up his training for the upcoming bout, catching Usyk off guard with a more unpredictable performance.

While Usyk is undeniably skilled and wouldn't be a champion otherwise, in my opinion (though I may be biased), Fury still appears to be the superior fighter. Personally, I don't anticipate the upcoming contest to be closely contested, Fury might win via KO or by majority decison.

No matter how big and bulky any opponent might be, Fury can still use his size and weight to drain energy from opponents but Ngannou was the exception (probably because he was used to a different type of fighting skill in MMA).

I think Usyk will feel the pressure when Fury uses his body weight to try to bully him but maybe he will handle it like Ngannou because he himself is a brilliant boxer. When the fight takes place, it will all unfold.

That picture is from several years ago. Usyk has put on more muscle and gotten stronger since then. Fury likes to use his size and strength to bully his opponents. Ngannou showed that if you can neutralize those advantages Fury is a lot less effective. For Usyk, who normally weighs around 220 lbs, the disadvantages might be too significant to overcome.

[aioc]

The fight has already moved to February 24 but it seems Tyson Fury's father John Fury wants an extension because he noticed a decline in his son's performance in his last three fights and an extension will do good for him.

"The 17th February is the date they have got to work towards. But in my opinion, Tyson needs a bit more time to get his conditioning right and his weight right," John Fury told Metro.co.uk.

"For my money, in his last three fights, I have seen a bit of decline. Not a decline in ability but a decline in strength, power, and physical condition. I don’t know what they are doing up there, you have to address it. He didn’t look himself out in Saudi.

I don't think many will agree to move the fight to a later date, the boxing community is impatient to unite the crown its better for Tyson Fury to give up the crown if he keeps avoiding Usyk, hopefully, the fight will really push in February.

[JollyGood]

Now that Usyk has seen Ngannou fight the way he did against Fury, I do not think Usyk will take Ngannou as an easy win if they ever met in a boxing ring. I would say the Usyk would win against Ngannou but it would be a tough fight. Anyway, it is better for Usyk to keep his eye firmly on the fight against Fury and leave aside any other possible opponents.

As for who would win when Fury and Usyk face each other on 17th February 2024, ordinarily, I would state that Fury would edge it but if it went to the judges scorecard anything could happen including a draw.

I believe too that Usyk will suffer worst if he will fight Ngannou because this beast is trained well to fight heavy weight in boxing while he has a very destructive punch. I though he was gonna be a glass cannon since he is amateur on boxing yet he is resilient like tire rubber. 

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Now that Usyk has seen Ngannou fight the way he did against Fury, I do not think Usyk will take Ngannou as an easy win if they ever met in a boxing ring. I would say the Usyk would win against Ngannou but it would be a tough fight. Anyway, it is better for Usyk to keep his eye firmly on the fight against Fury and leave aside any other possible opponents.

As for who would win when Fury and Usyk face each other on 17th February 2024, ordinarily, I would state that Fury would edge it but if it went to the judges scorecard anything could happen including a draw.

I believe too that Usyk will suffer worst if he will fight Ngannou because this beast is trained well to fight heavy weight in boxing while he has a very destructive punch. I though he was gonna be a glass cannon since he is amateur on boxing yet he is resilient like tire rubber. 

Usyk has the lateral movement, and I think that will be one of his advantage against Francis, although Ngannou has some feet as well. But if Usyk can avoid the power punches of Francis and make his frustrate if ever they fight, then he can win by points in the judges scorecard.

For this fight, both needs to be in 100%, mind games might also play in this one, Usyk is taking advantage of Fury's lackluster performance and for sure he will stick it out during their press conference. But for me, size does matter in this fight, so Fury despite his poor performance against Ngannou, will try to be better here and win thru judges card by unanimous decision.

[KTChampions]

Now that Usyk has seen Ngannou fight the way he did against Fury, I do not think Usyk will take Ngannou as an easy win if they ever met in a boxing ring. I would say the Usyk would win against Ngannou but it would be a tough fight. Anyway, it is better for Usyk to keep his eye firmly on the fight against Fury and leave aside any other possible opponents.

As for who would win when Fury and Usyk face each other on 17th February 2024, ordinarily, I would state that Fury would edge it but if it went to the judges scorecard anything could happen including a draw.

I am almost 100% sure that we will never see such exotic fights. If Usik beats Fury, he will simply retire immediately and go undefeated. One of the big boxers (I don’t remember exactly who) recently expressed this idea and I completely agree with it. If Usik loses, then maybe we will see a Usyk-Wilder or Usyk-Zhilei fight and maybe a rematch against Fury, but then, regardless of the result, he will leave. He doesn't look like someone who would abuse his body even when his age does not allow him to maintain a decent shape.

[BitcoinPanther]

Usyk shouldn't just base his assessment of Fury's abilities solely on the Ngannou fight. It's possible that Fury didn't take that match as seriously, resulting in a less intense training regimen compared to his usual rigorous routine. Now that Fury has experienced the close call and understands the risk, he might step up his training for the upcoming bout, catching Usyk off guard with a more unpredictable performance.

This make sense and possibly that fight against Ngannou is a wake up call for Fury to not slack in training but instead give Fury a reason to try more harder.  I really think Fury got lucky on the judge call on that fight.  It was really close and I have Ngannou winning on that fight.

While Usyk is undeniably skilled and wouldn't be a champion otherwise, in my opinion (though I may be biased), Fury still appears to be the superior fighter. Personally, I don't anticipate the upcoming contest to be closely contested, Fury might win via KO or by majority decison.

I have Fury  to be the one with advantage in this fight until he fought Ngannou that gives me doubt on Fury's domination against Usyk.  If Fury do the same performance when he fight  Ngannou, I think Usyk might be the one to unified the belt.

[Baofeng]

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

Sorry for the late reply, but I have taken it from Stake. But yeah, it seems that there's mad swing as far the betting odds as I have check just now and the odds are:

Fury: 1.57
Usyk: 2.30

Maybe some whales decided to throw early money on Fury and thinking to take advantage of that good odds in the beginning. Sometimes this kind of swing odds happen very early or very late in the fight, like days before the actual fight, some entities will suddenly also do the same and bet large amount.

[JollyGood]

For this fight, both needs to be in 100%, mind games might also play in this one, Usyk is taking advantage of Fury's lackluster performance and for sure he will stick it out during their press conference. But for me, size does matter in this fight, so Fury despite his poor performance against Ngannou, will try to be better here and win thru judges card by unanimous decision.

I think we are in agreement with each other, for this fight Fury will try to be better than in his performance against Ngannou and to be clear, if he is as bad then he will probably be knocked out by Usyk. Having said that, I expect Fury will be back to his best and also think Usyk will be back to his best after his recent fights. The boxers will be looking forward as they try to make history.

I am almost 100% sure that we will never see such exotic fights. If Usik beats Fury, he will simply retire immediately and go undefeated. One of the big boxers (I don’t remember exactly who) recently expressed this idea and I completely agree with it. If Usik loses, then maybe we will see a Usyk-Wilder or Usyk-Zhilei fight and maybe a rematch against Fury, but then, regardless of the result, he will leave. He doesn't look like someone who would abuse his body even when his age does not allow him to maintain a decent shape.

Whatever happens in the ring, the outcome will have a sizeable impact across the boxing world. Will the winner of the fight even make one defence of their unified title? The chances are they will try to make at least one for the money but best really should know when to quit.

[hilariousetc]

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

Sorry for the late reply, but I have taken it from Stake. But yeah, it seems that there's mad swing as far the betting odds as I have check just now and the odds are:

Fury: 1.57
Usyk: 2.30

Maybe some whales decided to throw early money on Fury and thinking to take advantage of that good odds in the beginning. Sometimes this kind of swing odds happen very early or very late in the fight, like days before the actual fight, some entities will suddenly also do the same and bet large amount.

I think I will go for a draw on this one. It's currently 18/1 on Skybet. Hard to call for me, and given that it's a two-fight deal maybe a draw would be best to hype up the final showdown, though no doubt we'd then see a third fight to settle it once and for all, especially if it's close.

Now that Usyk has seen Ngannou fight the way he did against Fury, I do not think Usyk will take Ngannou as an easy win if they ever met in a boxing ring. I would say the Usyk would win against Ngannou but it would be a tough fight. Anyway, it is better for Usyk to keep his eye firmly on the fight against Fury and leave aside any other possible opponents.

As for who would win when Fury and Usyk face each other on 17th February 2024, ordinarily, I would state that Fury would edge it but if it went to the judges scorecard anything could happen including a draw.

I believe too that Usyk will suffer worst if he will fight Ngannou because this beast is trained well to fight heavy weight in boxing while he has a very destructive punch. I though he was gonna be a glass cannon since he is amateur on boxing yet he is resilient like tire rubber. 

Usyk has the lateral movement, and I think that will be one of his advantage against Francis, although Ngannou has some feet as well. But if Usyk can avoid the power punches of Francis and make his frustrate if ever they fight, then he can win by points in the judges scorecard.

For this fight, both needs to be in 100%, mind games might also play in this one, Usyk is taking advantage of Fury's lackluster performance and for sure he will stick it out during their press conference. But for me, size does matter in this fight, so Fury despite his poor performance against Ngannou, will try to be better here and win thru judges card by unanimous decision.

I don't think Usyk needs to do anything and that will get in Fury's head alone. Usyk merely saying I'll do the talking in the ring at the first press conference was enough to rattle Fury. Fury's game plan will no doubt be to try rile Usyk up but I don't think it will work as he's too calm and collected for that and probably doesn't want to stoop to Fury's level. Fury will likely play both dirty in the build up and the fight. Expect a lot of leaning and low-blows from Fury, especially if Usyk is just dancing around him, which I expect will be the case. It's an interesting fight to me and hard to call. I think Usyk could easily outbox Fury but I also think Fury could KO him or just wear him down over the fight using his weight to tire Usyk out, but maybe Uysk is too smart and nibble to allow Fury to do too much of it.

[JollyGood]

I think I will go for a draw on this one. It's currently 18/1 on Skybet. Hard to call for me, and given that it's a two-fight deal maybe a draw would be best to hype up the final showdown, though no doubt we'd then see a third fight to settle it once and for all, especially if it's close.

If this was a one-off fight where both of these boxing giants would not have any rematch clauses, then I am sure we would see a different fight altogether. If they both knew their legacies and their reputations were on the line and there was not going to be a second chance, they would put everything in to it and go for a win with a different mentality to one where they knew there would be a rematch.

I think Usyk could easily outbox Fury but I also think Fury could KO him or just wear him down over the fight using his weight to tire Usyk out, but maybe Uysk is too smart and nibble to allow Fury to do too much of it.

It is after all the first time a heavyweight unification fight will take place since 1999 when Lennox Lewis defeated Evander Holyfield that is why boxing fans who support them (and neutral fans) are curious to see the two in the ring because either could win as they have their own strengths and weaknesses.

[Darker45]

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Sorry for the late reply, but I have taken it from Stake. But yeah, it seems that there's mad swing as far the betting odds as I have check just now and the odds are:

Fury: 1.57
Usyk: 2.30

Maybe some whales decided to throw early money on Fury and thinking to take advantage of that good odds in the beginning. Sometimes this kind of swing odds happen very early or very late in the fight, like days before the actual fight, some entities will suddenly also do the same and bet large amount.

I think I will go for a draw on this one. It's currently 18/1 on Skybet. Hard to call for me, and given that it's a two-fight deal maybe a draw would be best to hype up the final showdown, though no doubt we'd then see a third fight to settle it once and for all, especially if it's close.

Whoa! This is an interesting way of looking at the match. If this fight is a draw, a second fight would have to be a knockout to do away with a trilogy. But if this is going to be a great show, I'm sure fans won't mind watching them over and over again.

Draws are always a good bet in boxing at least as far as the odds are concerned, but it's more or less a throw-away bet. I can't remember betting draw on boxing matches, but if I did I'm sure I'm also betting on other odds to make up for what I lost from it.

On another note, the odds are almost back at 1.62 for Fury. I hope it would rise more as the fight day comes close. I'm confident of my ML bet on him.

[JollyGood]

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[JollyGood]

I cannot think of any real exciting sports events taking place between today (new years day) and the day of the Fury vs Usyk fight (17th February). I suppose this is going to be one of the biggest sporting events of the year if not the biggest. As I stated before, it is the first time a unification heavyweight boxing fight will take place since Lennox Lewis defeated Evander Holyfield in 1999.

[hilariousetc]

I cannot think of any real exciting sports events taking place between today (new years day) and the day of the Fury vs Usyk fight (17th February). I suppose this is going to be one of the biggest sporting events of the year if not the biggest. As I stated before, it is the first time a unification heavyweight boxing fight will take place since Lennox Lewis defeated Evander Holyfield in 1999.

It's the biggest fight lined up for sure but I've not really seen much hype or promo for it in a while. Maybe the big Saudi Day of Reckoning fight took over for December. Have they got any press conferences lined up? You'd think they'll start to ramp up promo now since it's next month and the busy Christmas and new year period is now over. I don't think they've announced any undercard fights yet either. Hopefully the Saudi's didn't blow all their beans on last month's fight.

[JollyGood]

If you look through the mainstream media, it does seem to be very quiet even though the magnitude of what is actually going to happen on 17th February 2024 is known to boxing fans and the media.

I cannot remember a fight anywhere close to the prominence of a unification being muted to this level. They had a face to face and after that it has been fairly quiet. It goes without say there will be an increase in hype and promotion as the countdown to the fight begins in the beginning of February but maybe this strategy suits both boxers as they can simply stay away with their training teams and focus on their preparations.

It's the biggest fight lined up for sure but I've not really seen much hype or promo for it in a while. Maybe the big Saudi Day of Reckoning fight took over for December. Have they got any press conferences lined up? You'd think they'll start to ramp up promo now since it's next month and the busy Christmas and new year period is now over. I don't think they've announced any undercard fights yet either. Hopefully the Saudi's didn't blow all their beans on last month's fight.

[JollyGood]

Rumours are going around that Tyson Fury could pull out of the fight because he is not motivated enough.

Personally, I do not believe he will postpone the fight but his motivation has to be questioned. After his trilogy of fights against Wilder, it seems as though Fury has not been at his best and does not portray himself as someone who is desperate to unify the titles. Usyk has himself not been at his absolute best either but hopefully both boxers will be ready to fight on the night..

[hilariousetc]

Rumours are going around that Tyson Fury could pull out of the fight because he is not motivated enough.

Personally, I do not believe he will postpone the fight but his motivation has to be questioned. After his trilogy of fights against Wilder, it seems as though Fury has not been at his best and does not portray himself as someone who is desperate to unify the titles. Usyk has himself not been at his absolute best either but hopefully both boxers will be ready to fight on the night..

I wouldn't listen to unsubstantiated rumours unless they're from a reliable source, but I am starting to question whether this fight is still going to happen and I wouldn't be surprised if Fury comes out with an "injury" excuse or something. I'm not sure what more motivation he would need than the ridiculous amounts Saudi are throwing at him. The fight is a little over a month away now and there's been zero press for it. It's almost like it isn't even happening. Neither fighter or their respective promoters have been posting about it or mentioning it in interviews and there's still no undercard fighters announced and some reputable boxing podcasts have also started to question whether it's still happening. If they don't announce a press conference or start promoting it on social media soon what are they waiting for? Something just doesn't feel right with a fight of this magnitude. The press conference for the AJ/ Ngannou fight is on Monday and the promoters have promised some huge fight announcements for the undercard so that fight is at risk of overshadowing this one, especially if it's another stacked card and with Wilder, Zhang and Parker all rumoured to be on it it easily could.

[hilariousetc]

Well it looks like they're finally doing some promo at least as they've finally unveiled the promo poster for the "Ring of Fire" fight on their socials:



https://www.instagram.com/p/C2FBgZrt1GY/

Still no undercard and I suspect the press conference for the AJ/Ngannou fight is going to overshadow everything else, which is supposed to be today but I've not heard anything about it so far which is weird so not sure if it's still happening today or not.

[TopTort777]

Still no undercard and I suspect the press conference for the AJ/Ngannou fight is going to overshadow everything else, which is supposed to be today but I've not heard anything about it so far which is weird so not sure if it's still happening today or not.

Also on February 17 we have UFC 298 - Volkanovski vs. Topuria, plus bunch of other cool fights. UFC even is going to steal some viewers.

The fight is in one month only, and there is almost no promotion of it. Anyone ever saw a banner somewhere? Checked Fury media - he not a single post of him training. Where it is going to be aired? DAZN ? ESPN ? TNT Sports ? Expect fight not to happen. Everyone will again talk how it is impossible to negotiate with other side due to money.

P.S. Imho people are more interested in AJ vs Ngannou and Beterbiev vs Bivol in April.

[hilariousetc]

Still no undercard and I suspect the press conference for the AJ/Ngannou fight is going to overshadow everything else, which is supposed to be today but I've not heard anything about it so far which is weird so not sure if it's still happening today or not.

Also on February 17 we have UFC 298 - Volkanovski vs. Topuria, plus bunch of other cool fights. UFC even is going to steal some viewers.

They'll be on at different times though. The UFC fights are normally early Sunday morning in the UK and the Saudi boxing will probably be at a reasonable time of 8PM GMT.

Still no undercard and I suspect the press conference for the AJ/Ngannou fight is going to overshadow everything else, which is supposed to be today but I've not heard anything about it so far which is weird so not sure if it's still happening today or not.

The fight is in one month only, and there is almost no promotion of it. Anyone ever saw a banner somewhere? Checked Fury media - he not a single post of him training. Where it is going to be aired? DAZN ? ESPN ? TNT Sports ? Expect fight not to happen. Everyone will again talk how it is impossible to negotiate with other side due to money.

As linked above Turki Alalshikh posted it on his insta and both Tyson and Usyk shared it to their stories. Not sure why they haven't posted the poster to their main pages yet but I'm sure it's coming. They really do need to ramp up the promo but maybe they've been finalising the undercard to make some big fights to grab headlines. It should be a feast of fights combined with the AJ/Nagannou fight but they're going to be competing for the big names which Eddie has promised for the AJ/Ngannou fight, and if there's going to be any of the fighters from the last AJ fight they'll probably have to skip the Fury/Usyk card as they'll need the extra month for training no doubt. Opetaia is rumoured to be on the Usyk fight which could happen since he took no damage in his last fight: https://www.boxingscene.com/jai-opetaia-land-on-feb-17-fury-usyk-undercard-train-with-fury-ahead-championship-defense--180644

P.S. Imho people are more interested in AJ vs Ngannou and Beterbiev vs Bivol in April.

I dunno. It's pretty close for excitement but I think the undisputed has to take precedence but they really need to start hyping it up. Personally I think the Fury/Usyk fight could be boring but someone's O has to go so there's jeopardy there. Hopefully there's a bit of spice in the fight rather than just Usyk dodging everything Fury throws at him.

[JollyGood]

I wouldn't listen to unsubstantiated rumours unless they're from a reliable source, but I am starting to question whether this fight is still going to happen and I wouldn't be surprised if Fury comes out with an "injury" excuse or something.

I do not know if faking an injury is something Fury is going to do to get out of the fight. With history on the line and millions in their pockets, both boxers really should be fully motivated because this opportunity might never come knocking on their door again. Fury did talk the talk for so long  therefore the onus is on him to ensure he puts on a great performance.

P.S. Imho people are more interested in AJ vs Ngannou and Beterbiev vs Bivol in April.

I think the Joshua vs Ngannou fight is going to be brilliant to watch and will end with Ngannou winning by a clear knockout. After watching what Ngannou did to Fury, I am confident the fight will be on the same lines as when Ruiz defeated Joshua.

[hilariousetc]

I wouldn't listen to unsubstantiated rumours unless they're from a reliable source, but I am starting to question whether this fight is still going to happen and I wouldn't be surprised if Fury comes out with an "injury" excuse or something.

I do not know if faking an injury is something Fury is going to do to get out of the fight. With history on the line and millions in their pockets, both boxers really should be fully motivated because this opportunity might never come knocking on their door again. Fury did talk the talk for so long  therefore the onus is on him to ensure he puts on a great performance.

If he wasn't fit or ready then injury is the usual excuse even if it's just to postpone the fight to give him some extra time to train, but it looks like the promo is going to start now so we'll see. The lack of promo and activity from all parties involved was starting to make people suspicious.

P.S. Imho people are more interested in AJ vs Ngannou and Beterbiev vs Bivol in April.

I think the Joshua vs Ngannou fight is going to be brilliant to watch and will end with Ngannou winning by a clear knockout. After watching what Ngannou did to Fury, I am confident the fight will be on the same lines as when Ruiz defeated Joshua.

An Ngannou KO wouldn't surprise me at all, but I'm going with what I said about the Fury fight: either Francis KO or AJ on points. The press conference for the AJ/Ngannou fight is going live in London in a few minutes. Watch it on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oES2Ke6bi80

[KTChampions]

~ The lack of promo and activity from all parties involved was starting to make people suspicious.

True. Just the other day I was thinking about this: silence, as if this fight had been crossed out from the schedule and everyone had forgotten about it. Thank God we see activity.

An Ngannou KO wouldn't surprise me at all, but I'm going with what I said about the Fury fight: either Francis KO or AJ on points. The press conference for the AJ/Ngannou fight is going live in London in a few minutes. Watch it on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oES2Ke6bi80

Probably bookmakers consider the probability that Ngannou will win by knockout as not the smallest - approximately 25%:

1.15 - 4.12

It’s unlikely that they believe in the possibility that he will win on points, which means these quotes almost 100% reflect the likelihood that he will win by knockout.
For me personally, the odds look uninteresting for both sides.

[darkangel11]

I think the Joshua vs Ngannou fight is going to be brilliant to watch and will end with Ngannou winning by a clear knockout. After watching what Ngannou did to Fury, I am confident the fight will be on the same lines as when Ruiz defeated Joshua.

There's supposed to be a Fury vs Joshua after that one, but that will probably depend on Fury if he loses the belt and feels depressed because of it, or not.
There were some recent opinions based on Fury's own words that he's afraid he's too old and out of shape for the coming fight with Usyk, but that might be just a rumor spread to influence the bets. I think that they'll fight. They were talking about it for years and the event is going to pay good money. If Fury is feeling old and wants to retire it's even better because it's going to be that last cash injection for him.

[TopTort777]

Still no undercard and I suspect the press conference for the AJ/Ngannou fight is going to overshadow everything else, which is supposed to be today but I've not heard anything about it so far which is weird so not sure if it's still happening today or not.

The fight is in one month only, and there is almost no promotion of it. Anyone ever saw a banner somewhere? Checked Fury media - he not a single post of him training. Where it is going to be aired? DAZN ? ESPN ? TNT Sports ? Expect fight not to happen. Everyone will again talk how it is impossible to negotiate with other side due to money.

As linked above Turki Alalshikh posted it on his insta and both Tyson and Usyk shared it to their stories. Not sure why they haven't posted the poster to their main pages yet but I'm sure it's coming. They really do need to ramp up the promo but maybe they've been finalising the undercard to make some big fights to grab headlines. It should be a feast of fights combined with the AJ/Nagannou fight but they're going to be competing for the big names which Eddie has promised for the AJ/Ngannou fight, and if there's going to be any of the fighters from the last AJ fight they'll probably have to skip the Fury/Usyk card as they'll need the extra month for training no doubt. Opetaia is rumoured to be on the Usyk fight which could happen since he took no damage in his last fight: https://www.boxingscene.com/jai-opetaia-land-on-feb-17-fury-usyk-undercard-train-with-fury-ahead-championship-defense--180644

They have shared maximum a poster or two. I just remember and compare it with Fury vs Ngannou fight. Remember how much it was discussed, how much was time and effort was spend on promotion. That Mike Tyson as a coach story, all those pictures of joint training and etc. That great promo fun video. Where is all that with Usyk and Fury? I have no doubts that tickets gonna be sold in minutes, but with their pay checks, PPV numbers have to be great if everyone wants to earn. Imho that will be hard to achieve with one month left.

P.S. Imho people are more interested in AJ vs Ngannou and Beterbiev vs Bivol in April.

I dunno. It's pretty close for excitement but I think the undisputed has to take precedence but they really need to start hyping it up. Personally I think the Fury/Usyk fight could be boring but someone's O has to go so there's jeopardy there. Hopefully there's a bit of spice in the fight rather than just Usyk dodging everything Fury throws at him.

I have also feeling that the fight is going to be boring. Usyk wont be able to knockout Fury, and will work on gaining points. Fury will try to catch and damage him with single or double strikes. For sure the fight will go full distance.

[hilariousetc]

I think the Joshua vs Ngannou fight is going to be brilliant to watch and will end with Ngannou winning by a clear knockout. After watching what Ngannou did to Fury, I am confident the fight will be on the same lines as when Ruiz defeated Joshua.

There's supposed to be a Fury vs Joshua after that one, but that will probably depend on Fury if he loses the belt and feels depressed because of it, or not.

Fury and AJ can still happen even if they both lose. Might make it easier to make if there's no belts on the line and Tyson loses his zero, though there's lots of fights to be made between the four including AJ/Uysk trilogy or the Fury/Ngannou rematch which Ngannou has been vocal he wants next.

They have shared maximum a poster or two. I just remember and compare it with Fury vs Ngannou fight. Remember how much it was discussed, how much was time and effort was spend on promotion. That Mike Tyson as a coach story, all those pictures of joint training and etc. That great promo fun video. Where is all that with Usyk and Fury? I have no doubts that tickets gonna be sold in minutes, but with their pay checks, PPV numbers have to be great if everyone wants to earn. Imho that will be hard to achieve with one month left.

Yeah, they'll surely have to step on the gas now the Ngannou/AJ presser is over. As for tickets it's in Saudi so it wont sell out as most are just given away to Saudis looking to fill up seats. Not many people seem to travel all the way to Saudi for the fights and it's usually 90% Saudis and a load of invited celebs.

P.S. Imho people are more interested in AJ vs Ngannou and Beterbiev vs Bivol in April.

I dunno. It's pretty close for excitement but I think the undisputed has to take precedence but they really need to start hyping it up. Personally I think the Fury/Usyk fight could be boring but someone's O has to go so there's jeopardy there. Hopefully there's a bit of spice in the fight rather than just Usyk dodging everything Fury throws at him.

I have also feeling that the fight is going to be boring. Usyk wont be able to knockout Fury, and will work on gaining points. Fury will try to catch and damage him with single or double strikes. For sure the fight will go full distance.

Usyk probably wouldn't get a spectacular KO but he could wear Fury down like he did to Dubois. I think it's either Usyk on points or Tyson KO. Tyson will probably play dirty with lots of leaning and go for some low blows, especially if Usyk is getting the better of him.

[JollyGood]

An Ngannou KO wouldn't surprise me at all, but I'm going with what I said about the Fury fight: either Francis KO or AJ on points.

If it gets to a points decision it could all come down to a dubious scorecard from at least one judge that could serious alter the outcome of the fight making it opposite to what the masses concluded. The first Fury/Wilder fight resulted in a draw but I along with literally every person I know thought Fury won the fight even though he hit the canvas. How it was scored a draw was (and still is) hard to believe. The same for Fury vs Ngannouu, it seems by far the majority of people commenting on the fight believe Ngannou won.

Regardless of Joshua or Ngannou winning, I hope it does not come down to a points decision.

I think the Joshua vs Ngannou fight is going to be brilliant to watch and will end with Ngannou winning by a clear knockout. After watching what Ngannou did to Fury, I am confident the fight will be on the same lines as when Ruiz defeated Joshua.

There's supposed to be a Fury vs Joshua after that one, but that will probably depend on Fury if he loses the belt and feels depressed because of it, or not.
There were some recent opinions based on Fury's own words that he's afraid he's too old and out of shape for the coming fight with Usyk, but that might be just a rumor spread to influence the bets. I think that they'll fight. They were talking about it for years and the event is going to pay good money. If Fury is feeling old and wants to retire it's even better because it's going to be that last cash injection for him.

With all the mind games played by Fury, it is easy to forget there are other boxers waiting in the wings for a chance. All of a sudden Joshua is back in contention for a world title fight when it looked like he might not get that chance again. There is even talk about him wanting to fight Usyk for the third time.

What cannot be underestimated is the way Parker dismantled Wilder last month and the threat Ruiz poses if he gets back in the ring. Parker not only defeated Wilder he was also the first boxer to beat Ruiz. I think Parker deserves a chance at a championship belt but if Ngannou beats Joshua then the next fight could be between Parker and Ngannou.

[Dave1]

Still no undercard and I suspect the press conference for the AJ/Ngannou fight is going to overshadow everything else, which is supposed to be today but I've not heard anything about it so far which is weird so not sure if it's still happening today or not.

Also on February 17 we have UFC 298 - Volkanovski vs. Topuria, plus bunch of other cool fights. UFC even is going to steal some viewers.

The fight is in one month only, and there is almost no promotion of it. Anyone ever saw a banner somewhere? Checked Fury media - he not a single post of him training. Where it is going to be aired? DAZN ? ESPN ? TNT Sports ? Expect fight not to happen. Everyone will again talk how it is impossible to negotiate with other side due to money.

P.S. Imho people are more interested in AJ vs Ngannou and Beterbiev vs Bivol in April.

Usyk though has posted on his Twitter some kettleball training, I can't remember how heavy is it, but he was just throwing and then catching it. But the poster though, it reminds me if BrokeBack mountain movie, Lol, you can search for the synopsis,  .

I've search for the undercard and this is what I've found:

Joe Cordina vs. Anthony Cacace
Sergey Kovalev vs. Robin Sirwan
Isaac Lowe vs. Hasibullah Ahmadi
Moses Itauma vs. TBA Bakhodir
Jalolov vs. TBA
David Nyika vs. TBA

(https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/01/fury-usyk-undercard-unveiled-opetaia-vs-briedis-2-on-february-17th-in-saudi-arabia/)

Lame undercard though, seriously Kovalev? And then Cordina?

Is that the best that they can put in this great fight?

[yazher]

One month to go before this fight and there is already lots of hype for this fight because if Fury wins, he will probably get to fight Ngannou and settle their rivalry once more on who is the best heavyweight fighter in their time. But obviously, since Usyk doesn't know how he will gonna truly deal with Fury once they get inside the ring, he still is the underdog in this bout since we all know Fury has more hidden talents once they fight because he has lots of styles on how to get away and take those power punches as if they were nothing because of his unique and yet decisive defensive strategies.

[JollyGood]

Well, I think the hype only started to pick up in the past few days. Before that there was hardly a whisper regarding this fight and it was not being mentioned as much as it should. Regarding who Fury will fight if he wins or who Usyk will fight if he wins, I think beyond Parker and Joshua (and now Ngannou) there are not many heavyweights out there that can either or fill a void.

Even if Usyk is the underdog, he cannot be that far behind because the high standards of Fury have dropped to unbelievably low levels.

One month to go before this fight and there is already lots of hype for this fight because if Fury wins, he will probably get to fight Ngannou and settle their rivalry once more on who is the best heavyweight fighter in their time. But obviously, since Usyk doesn't know how he will gonna truly deal with Fury once they get inside the ring, he still is the underdog in this bout since we all know Fury has more hidden talents once they fight because he has lots of styles on how to get away and take those power punches as if they were nothing because of his unique and yet decisive defensive strategies.

[hilariousetc]

Still no undercard and I suspect the press conference for the AJ/Ngannou fight is going to overshadow everything else, which is supposed to be today but I've not heard anything about it so far which is weird so not sure if it's still happening today or not.

Also on February 17 we have UFC 298 - Volkanovski vs. Topuria, plus bunch of other cool fights. UFC even is going to steal some viewers.

The fight is in one month only, and there is almost no promotion of it. Anyone ever saw a banner somewhere? Checked Fury media - he not a single post of him training. Where it is going to be aired? DAZN ? ESPN ? TNT Sports ? Expect fight not to happen. Everyone will again talk how it is impossible to negotiate with other side due to money.

P.S. Imho people are more interested in AJ vs Ngannou and Beterbiev vs Bivol in April.

Usyk though has posted on his Twitter some kettleball training, I can't remember how heavy is it, but he was just throwing and then catching it. But the poster though, it reminds me if BrokeBack mountain movie, Lol, you can search for the synopsis,  .

I've search for the undercard and this is what I've found:

Joe Cordina vs. Anthony Cacace
Sergey Kovalev vs. Robin Sirwan
Isaac Lowe vs. Hasibullah Ahmadi
Moses Itauma vs. TBA Bakhodir
Jalolov vs. TBA
David Nyika vs. TBA

(https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/01/fury-usyk-undercard-unveiled-opetaia-vs-briedis-2-on-february-17th-in-saudi-arabia/)

Lame undercard though, seriously Kovalev? And then Cordina?

Is that the best that they can put in this great fight?

But what's the source for that? I don't think it's official as I haven't seen anything from a reputable outlet or the promotors. In an interview earlier today Frank Warren said they can't give any names yet but promises it will be huge (though I'd take that with a pinch of salt but I expect the undercard to be better than the above mentioned).

Well, I think the hype only started to pick up in the past few days. Before that there was hardly a whisper regarding this fight and it was not being mentioned as much as it should. Regarding who Fury will fight if he wins or who Usyk will fight if he wins, I think beyond Parker and Joshua (and now Ngannou) there are not many heavyweights out there that can either or fill a void.

Even if Usyk is the underdog, he cannot be that far behind because the high standards of Fury have dropped to unbelievably low levels.

I still don't think there's been any hype. All we've had so far is a poster and no real comments from anyone involved or an undercard yet. The AJ/Ngannou fight is dominating talks so far and that fights even further away. They need to get the press conference sorted and that's when things will heat up. Fury will be a gobshite as usual wanting to grab headlines.

[electronicash]

think the fight will not actually happen?
i think so too. the date is so close already yet nothing is being hyped online. the fight will be held in Saudi, this is a place where people are giving away gold bars. the richest country in this region, it can't flop this way for it would only mean, they are pretty much interested in Frank Ngannou than Fury and Usyk.

if they want to make this event noisier, my suggestion is to put AJ vs Ngannou on the co-main event.

[coin-investor]

This is an interesting trivia that I just found out now when one fan posted that Usyk and Beterbiev fought during their amateur days and even though Usyk beat Beterbiev it is established in this fight that Usyk has weakness in his body, Dubois scored a knockdown through body shot against Usyk when they fought recently and Beterbiev also did it when they fought in the amateur.
If Fury will include the Beterbiev - Usyk fight in scouting Usyk he'll know that Usyk has a weakness and he can exploit when they fight next month


Heavy (91kg) QF- Berterbiev Artur (RUS) VS Usyk Oleksandr (UKR) -2011 AIBA World Champs

[FinneysTrueVision]

I've search for the undercard and this is what I've found:

Joe Cordina vs. Anthony Cacace
Sergey Kovalev vs. Robin Sirwan
Isaac Lowe vs. Hasibullah Ahmadi
Moses Itauma vs. TBA Bakhodir
Jalolov vs. TBA
David Nyika vs. TBA

(https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/01/fury-usyk-undercard-unveiled-opetaia-vs-briedis-2-on-february-17th-in-saudi-arabia/)

Lame undercard though, seriously Kovalev? And then Cordina?

Is that the best that they can put in this great fight?

Kovalev is 40 years old and beyond shot. He was already considered washed up when he was cherry-picked by Canelo, and that was many years ago. With all the legal problems he has had it doesn't surprise me that he is now desperate for a paycheck.

I was considering buying the PPV but if it's going to be $80, it kind of feels like a ripoff even if the main event is a historic heavyweight fight.

[hilariousetc]

think the fight will not actually happen?
i think so too. the date is so close already yet nothing is being hyped online. the fight will be held in Saudi, this is a place where people are giving away gold bars. the richest country in this region, it can't flop this way for it would only mean, they are pretty much interested in Frank Ngannou than Fury and Usyk.

if they want to make this event noisier, my suggestion is to put AJ vs Ngannou on the co-main event.

Nah, that's a stand-alone fight in itself and neither fighter will want to be on Fury's undercard when they're both chasing fights with him. Until I see the press conference I'm still sceptical of this fight going ahead, but they did at least release the poster for it which I'm not sure they would do if they thought it might get called off, though I guess either fighter could pull out of their own volition.

Kovalev is 40 years old and beyond shot. He was already considered washed up when he was cherry-picked by Canelo, and that was many years ago. With all the legal problems he has had it doesn't surprise me that he is now desperate for a paycheck.

I was considering buying the PPV but if it's going to be $80, it kind of feels like a ripoff even if the main event is a historic heavyweight fight.

The PPVs in the USA are always a rip off and are usually 3-4x the times of it in the UK. I think this fight could come at a premium though given it's a historical undisputed but the Saudi's don't really care about making their money back and will always make a loss from these type of showdowns as no amount of PPV revenue is gonna cover the boxers fees.

[Kemarit]

I've search for the undercard and this is what I've found:

Joe Cordina vs. Anthony Cacace
Sergey Kovalev vs. Robin Sirwan
Isaac Lowe vs. Hasibullah Ahmadi
Moses Itauma vs. TBA Bakhodir
Jalolov vs. TBA
David Nyika vs. TBA

(https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/01/fury-usyk-undercard-unveiled-opetaia-vs-briedis-2-on-february-17th-in-saudi-arabia/)

Lame undercard though, seriously Kovalev? And then Cordina?

Is that the best that they can put in this great fight?

Kovalev is 40 years old and beyond shot. He was already considered washed up when he was cherry-picked by Canelo, and that was many years ago. With all the legal problems he has had it doesn't surprise me that he is now desperate for a paycheck.

I was considering buying the PPV but if it's going to be $80, it kind of feels like a ripoff even if the main event is a historic heavyweight fight.

Yes, most likely Kovalev is just looking for a his last pay check here and he was just lucky that he was still given a fight in the undercard here. But then the PPV though, yeah I believed its going to be $80 as this is the biggest fight in Heavyweight. But the undercard is really disappointed, however, as @hilariousetc said, the Saudi doesn't care about making money here, all this wealthy person wanted to see the best of the best in Usyk and Fury.

If they are going to lose money, it's fine with them and it's good to the sports of boxing as I have said. At least everyone is happy as they are making money and hopefully we can see fights more often, undisputed or just two great boxers, specially in the lower weight class and not just for the HW division.

[JollyGood]

It could be the case they (Fury and Usyk) will let all this drag on without much fanfare for several weeks more and then go on a publicity campaign to bring more of a spotlight on the fight. Also, eventually when the two boxers get on a stage to face-off at the weight-in, that will be a significant moment. If that is their plan (not wanting to overhype, I think their strategy will fail).

If the teams behind the Fury vs Usyk fight are looking at the buzz surrounding the Joshua vs Ngannou fight, they have to accept there is a problem. I think there should be far more anticipation and excitement at the unification fight but Ngannou had added a new dimension to the heavyweight scene (for now at least).

Well, I think the hype only started to pick up in the past few days. Before that there was hardly a whisper regarding this fight and it was not being mentioned as much as it should. Regarding who Fury will fight if he wins or who Usyk will fight if he wins, I think beyond Parker and Joshua (and now Ngannou) there are not many heavyweights out there that can either or fill a void.

Even if Usyk is the underdog, he cannot be that far behind because the high standards of Fury have dropped to unbelievably low levels.

I still don't think there's been any hype. All we've had so far is a poster and no real comments from anyone involved or an undercard yet. The AJ/Ngannou fight is dominating talks so far and that fights even further away. They need to get the press conference sorted and that's when things will heat up. Fury will be a gobshite as usual wanting to grab headlines.

[hilariousetc]

It could be the case they (Fury and Usyk) will let all this drag on without much fanfare for several weeks more and then go on a publicity campaign to bring more of a spotlight on the fight. Also, eventually when the two boxers get on a stage to face-off at the weight-in, that will be a significant moment. If that is their plan (not wanting to overhype, I think their strategy will fail).

If the teams behind the Fury vs Usyk fight are looking at the buzz surrounding the Joshua vs Ngannou fight, they have to accept there is a problem. I think there should be far more anticipation and excitement at the unification fight but Ngannou had added a new dimension to the heavyweight scene (for now at least).

Letting it drag on without promo doesn't make any sense unless there is issues behind the scenes or they're just concentrating on the camp, but something still seems off to me. Frank Warren said something worrying at the end of this interview earlier when asked about the fight and said something along the lines of I hope Tyson doesn't pull out and doesn't believe that's the case but he really doesn't seem that confident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht0yY2mzHB4

The fight is less than a month away now and still no undercard or press conference announced. If they don't announce something before the end of the month my money is on the fight not happening. They need to get moving with this so the AJ/Ngannou fight doesn't overshadow it then and soon as this fight is done they can start ramping up the promo for that the following month.

[Kemarit]

Many are still enraged with how the undercard are put up for this fight. I think everyone here as well can't believed that a wash up fighter is there for the biggest fight in this division. To the point that they are saying that this is the worst undercard ever, ouch.

[JollyGood]

I cannot speak for others but in my opinion it is clear Fury will damage his legacy beyond imagination if he pulls out of the fight. Why would he play mind games for the sake of getting to this stage only to withdraw from the fight?

I completely agree with you, something does not seem right about the way the lack of promotion is playing out but even more than that the lack of comments from both boxers has been noted too and I do not think it is down to them concentrating on their training.

Letting it drag on without promo doesn't make any sense unless there is issues behind the scenes or they're just concentrating on the camp, but something still seems off to me.

[hilariousetc]

Many are still enraged with how the undercard are put up for this fight. I think everyone here as well can't believed that a wash up fighter is there for the biggest fight in this division. To the point that they are saying that this is the worst undercard ever, ouch.

Where has this been announced though cos I haven't seen anything from the official channels or the promoters etc? Nothing on either fighters socials nor Turki's where it's usually the first to be posted. Frank Warren has been saying we'll all be blown away by the undercard and that's certainly not a very good one. Jai Opetaia was reportedly sent home from sparring with Fury after only 5 rounds and there's rumours he knocked down Fury so if he's fighting then what are they doing sparring together at such a late stage?

https://boxing-social.com/news/jai-opetaia-leaves-tyson-fury-camp/
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/01/rumor-mill-churns-opetaias-team-denies-fury-knockdown-rumors/

I cannot speak for others but in my opinion it is clear Fury will damage his legacy beyond imagination if he pulls out of the fight. Why would he play mind games for the sake of getting to this stage only to withdraw from the fight?

I completely agree with you, something does not seem right about the way the lack of promotion is playing out but even more than that the lack of comments from both boxers has been noted too and I do not think it is down to them concentrating on their training.

Letting it drag on without promo doesn't make any sense unless there is issues behind the scenes or they're just concentrating on the camp, but something still seems off to me.

I think there should be a new poll: Will this fight go ahead on the 17th. It's only three weeks away now and we've still got nothing. I think Fury is probably desperately trying to get fit/in shape behind the scenes but might know he isn't ready for what is gonna be one of the toughest if not the toughest fight of his career. Maybe the Francis performance has knocked his confidence. To be honest, I think they might be better off doing this fight after the AJ/Ngannou one and then they can announce the winner of that fight will get a shot at either Fury or Usyk again.

[JollyGood]

Though everything related to the fight is muted I think it will be a public relations disaster for the Saudi government promotions machine if the fight is called-off. What was Fury and his team thinking when he decided to fight Ngannou just a four months before a heavyweight unification fight? I have no doubt Usyk would have been empowered by what he saw when Ngannou took the fight to Fury but Usyk dropped a few levels in standard when he beat Dubois in th 9th round back in August.

If Fury vs Usyk goes ahead on 17th February and then Joshua vs Ngannou take place on 8th March, these fights will define the rest of the year when it comes to heavyweight boxing. Parker is not going anywhere especially after he dismantled Wilder, he deserves a title fight. If Ngannou beats Joshua (as I am sure he will), this is going to be a year of a couple more title fights.

I think there should be a new poll: Will this fight go ahead on the 17th. It's only three weeks away now and we've still got nothing. I think Fury is probably desperately trying to get fit/in shape behind the scenes but might know he isn't ready for what is gonna be one of the toughest if not the toughest fight of his career. Maybe the Francis performance has knocked his confidence. To be honest, I think they might be better off doing this fight after the AJ/Ngannou one and then they can announce the winner of that fight will get a shot at either Fury or Usyk again.

[hilariousetc]

Though everything related to the fight is muted I think it will be a public relations disaster for the Saudi government promotions machine if the fight is called-off.

I don't think it will be too bad for them if they just push it back a month or so. I think it will be very bad for them if this fight goes ahead without much promo or fanfare though. Normally the fighters go on big press tours for these fights to try sell it to the mainstream/casual fans who will only tune in for special fights but without any promo it will just be the hardcore that bother. Maybe the Saudi's don't even care about viewing figures but the networks that will be broadcasting it certainly will so surely they should be pushing for promos.

What was Fury and his team thinking when he decided to fight Ngannou just a four months before a heavyweight unification fight? I have no doubt Usyk would have been empowered by what he saw when Ngannou took the fight to Fury but Usyk dropped a few levels in standard when he beat Dubois in th 9th round back in August.

Greed. Fury got paid a shitload and thought it was gonna be an easy fight and a walk in the park for him.

If Fury vs Usyk goes ahead on 17th February and then Joshua vs Ngannou take place on 8th March, these fights will define the rest of the year when it comes to heavyweight boxing. Parker is not going anywhere especially after he dismantled Wilder, he deserves a title fight. If Ngannou beats Joshua (as I am sure he will), this is going to be a year of a couple more title fights.

These four involved will likely face each other at some point. Francis wants another go at Fury and AJ has been wanting the Fury fight for years, and then of course we might even get Usyk V AJ for the trilogy which might be a good option for them. There's plenty of combos that can happen and the Fury/Usyk rematch that is contracted will probably happen too though possibly not if one of them gets battered and might not want to go again. If either fighters gets embarrassed they might just call it a day.

[cabron]

This Fury vs Usyk fight should be even bigger than Fury vs Ngannou but yap there is not much promotion even just flash talks on news channels with sports news.

Could it be that the war in the Red Sea is making the fight close to being postponed/canceled?  Are they afraid Houtis are going to shoot the planes too?
If there is less promotion for this fight, there's got to be some reason for it or this fight is just promoted in Saudi and exclusively for the richest men in Saudi.

[aioc]

This Fury vs Usyk fight should be even bigger than Fury vs Ngannou but yap there is not much promotion even just flash talks on news channels with sports news

It is the biggest boxing event this year because what is at stake are all the titles in the heavyweight division and be pride to called the lineal champion the last lineal champion who held the last belt was Lennox and that was 20 years ago, whoever wins the both here will take everything and that includes the greatest in this era.
Whoever wins the fight can retire happily as there's no need to prove he had a large amount of money and he has established any boxer's goal to become the greatest, so February 17th is the much-awaited day for boxing fans.

[JollyGood]

Greed. Fury got paid a shitload and thought it was gonna be an easy fight and a walk in the park for him.

How many people gave Ngannou much hope before the fight took place? Fury did not seem as though he was in the best shape and he obviously thought it was going to be an easy night. The amount of money he made from the Ngannou fight should never have been the reason why he might not be in the best mental or physical shape to face Usyk. Fury might regret fighting Ngannou if he loses his titles to Usyk.

These four involved will likely face each other at some point. Francis wants another go at Fury and AJ has been wanting the Fury fight for years, and then of course we might even get Usyk V AJ for the trilogy which might be a good option for them. There's plenty of combos that can happen and the Fury/Usyk rematch that is contracted will probably happen too though possibly not if one of them gets battered and might not want to go again. If either fighters gets embarrassed they might just call it a day.

Of all the possible fights you mentioned, I think Fury vs Ngannou is the one that will not happen. I just cannot see them getting in the ring to face each other again. I think Wilder should retire after the manner in which Parker outclassed and outboxed him therefore Fury, Usyk, Joshua and Parker remain. Ruiz should also have been in the mix but he did have surgery on his shoulder and was inactive since 2022 therefore he will need to work a lot to get a chance at a title.

If Fury vs Usyk and Joshua vs Ngannou go ahead as planned, where do you think Parker fits in with his next fight?

[hilariousetc]

It looks like Fury and Usyk have done a face-to-face off round-table interview at least with a leaked clip surfacing: https://talksport.com/sport/1723884/proof-oleksandr-usyk-fierce-response-tyson-fury-mock-earring/

Oleksandr Usyk took no offence from Tyson Fury's insults about his earring during their face-to-face sit-down interview.

Ahead of the undisputed heavyweight world title fight on February 17, the two rival champions filmed a special show together for TNT Sports, which has leaked online.

So it looks like the fight is still going on at least, but I'm still sceptical.

Greed. Fury got paid a shitload and thought it was gonna be an easy fight and a walk in the park for him.

How people gave Ngannou much hope before the fight took place? Fury did not seem as though he was in the best shape and he obviously thought it was going to be an easy night. The amount of money he made from the Ngannou fight should never have been the reason why he might not be in the best mental or physical shape to face Usyk. Fury might regret fighting Ngannou if he loses his titles to Usyk.

Fury is never really 'in shape', but lots of people seemed to be of the opinion that he was just taking an easy fight, but I was quite vocal that Ngannou could quite easily KO him. I thought Francis would try get an early KO though and come out swinging but Francis was very reserved and tried to box instead which has its pros and cons. I don't know whether Fury will regret the Francis fight as he did get the win and got paid handsomely for it but maybe it was the wake up call Tyson needed as that fight definitely should have put his ego down a peg or two.

Of all the possible fights you mentioned, I think Fury vs Ngannou is the one that will not happen. I just cannot see them getting in the ring to face each other again. I think Wilder should retire after the manner in which Parker outclassed and outboxed him therefore Fury, Usyk, Joshua and Parker remain. Ruiz should also have been in the mix but he did have surgery on his shoulder and was inactive since 2022 therefore he will need to work a lot to get a chance at a title.

If Fury vs Usyk and Joshua vs Ngannou go ahead as planned, where do you think Parker fits in with his next fight?

Well, money talks. Like I said, Fury did get the win ultimately (though maybe not in the eyes of many fans) but both can learn from their mistakes and it might make the second fight much more interesting. I guess it depends on how both fighters do in their upcoming fights. If both Ngannou and Tyson win then why not get that fight on again. However, if Ngannou has improved from the first fight and batters AJ Fury might wanna pass haha. With that being said, Ngannou could lose badly and maybe people will lose interest in seeing him again, but the rematch is always there I reckon. Even if Fury loses to Usyk he can still fight Ngannou so there's still lots of options.

[hilariousetc]

One more bizarre entry in the will it won't it happen saga of this fight: The full face-to-face-off interview between Fury and Usyk leaked but is getting removed by TNT sports. Not sure why they haven't just uploaded it to their channel already unless they think this fight might not be happening. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/25524373/tyson-fury-usyk-tnt-sports-face-off-leaked-earrings/

I watched it and it was Tyson just being Tyson. Trying to mock Usyk and Usyk just being classy and turning it back on him. One thing that was interesting is we got another another lie/contradiction from Fury in that he admitted to not training for as long as he said he did for Ngannou. Tyson contradicts himself so much you never know what to believe is the lie or not. Something really fishy about all this.

[JollyGood]

Fury is never really 'in shape', but lots of people seemed to be of the opinion that he was just taking an easy fight, but I was quite vocal that Ngannou could quite easily KO him. I thought Francis would try get an early KO though and come out swinging but Francis was very reserved and tried to box instead which has its pros and cons. I don't know whether Fury will regret the Francis fight as he did get the win and got paid handsomely for it but maybe it was the wake up call Tyson needed as that fight definitely should have put his ego down a peg or two.

If the fight goes ahead, there would be a sense of irony if Fury facing Ngannou becomes the ultimate reason why Fury becomes undisputed heavyweight champions that unifies all the belts and defeats Usyk. Maybe he was far too confident when getting in the ring with Ngannou without proper training and thought he would pocket several millions of USD$ before facing Usyk. Now he knows he has to be in excellent shape before he get gets in to the ring with Usyk.

One thing that was interesting is we got another another lie/contradiction from Fury in that he admitted to not training for as long as he said he did for Ngannou. Tyson contradicts himself so much you never know what to believe is the lie or not. Something really fishy about all this.

He does contradict himself from time to time 

I think the fight is going ahead. They are both probably occupied in their thoughts about the post-fight world. Fury and Usyk know if they win there will be a rematch clause which will be triggered and if it is not (because the loser retires), the winner knows he can beat Joshua, Parker or Ngannou to retain the titles and retire.

[hilariousandco]

So they finally posted the fight trailer and it's even more epic than the Fury/Ngannou and AJ/Wallin ones: https://youtu.be/uw-c-J90_ZE?si=Bx5Hu30z2poHon8o

At least they're starting the promo now. If it had've got to Feb with nothing I would have assumed it wasn't going to happen.

[JollyGood]

At least you are finally convinced that the unification bout is going ahead as planned. I was always fairly certain it would not be postponed but as we approach closer to fight night I am beginning to have suspicions that something does not seem right. Well, when boxers start turning in to movie stars and animated gigantic alter-egos, it is one way to attract attention. I guess there is no further need to try to hype the fight after that strange attempt at promotion

So they finally posted the fight trailer and it's even more epic than the Fury/Ngannou and AJ/Wallin ones: https://youtu.be/uw-c-J90_ZE?si=Bx5Hu30z2poHon8o

At least they're starting the promo now. If it had've got to Feb with nothing I would have assumed it wasn't going to happen.

[Kemarit]

So they finally posted the fight trailer and it's even more epic than the Fury/Ngannou and AJ/Wallin ones: https://youtu.be/uw-c-J90_ZE?si=Bx5Hu30z2poHon8o

At least they're starting the promo now. If it had've got to Feb with nothing I would have assumed it wasn't going to happen.

And to think that the fight is what? barely two weeks, so definitely it's going to happen with the released of this promo, probably one of the best that we have seen in recent years. So it bring the hype once more for this fight, and if it doesn't excite us, then nothing will, IMHO.

For those looking for the current odds,

Fury @1.66, and Usyk @2.14.

[TopTort777]

So they finally posted the fight trailer and it's even more epic than the Fury/Ngannou and AJ/Wallin ones: https://youtu.be/uw-c-J90_ZE?si=Bx5Hu30z2poHon8o

At least they're starting the promo now. If it had've got to Feb with nothing I would have assumed it wasn't going to happen.

How cool was Fury vs Ngannou promo video, and imho how lame is Usyk vs Fury promo video. Fury seems to look like he did not even wanted to shoot or it is all AI. Usyk, he was a cowboy, gladiator, samurai while in most of his conferences he dresses in Ukrainian national clothes (Vyshyvanka) or/and gets Cossacks look.

I would prefer him to look more like this:



Politics aside, but this looks suits him better, than this outlaw look. I understand that that Cossack wont fit in the video at all, but they could have changed its script or make more funny like Fury vs Ngannou. Usyk loves to have fun, he would sign for that easily.

[Natalim]

So they finally posted the fight trailer and it's even more epic than the Fury/Ngannou and AJ/Wallin ones: https://youtu.be/uw-c-J90_ZE?si=Bx5Hu30z2poHon8o

At least they're starting the promo now. If it had've got to Feb with nothing I would have assumed it wasn't going to happen.

And to think that the fight is what? barely two weeks, so definitely it's going to happen with the released of this promo, probably one of the best that we have seen in recent years. So it bring the hype once more for this fight, and if it doesn't excite us, then nothing will, IMHO.

The link shared by hilariousandco is gone but I saw this one ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RWW1pI8kDo.. This must be the trailer people are talking, just released 17 hours ago. I still find Fury vs Ngannou more unique. 

For those looking for the current odds,

Fury @1.66, and Usyk @2.14.

I'll take Fury all day. 1.66 is already a go for me, he is still the top heavyweight in his era IMO.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Chris Mannix
@SIChrisMannix
Tyson Fury has suffered a cut in training and is out of the undisputed heavyweight title fight with Oleksandr Usyk, Usyk's manager, Egis Klimas, told
@SInow
https://x.com/sichrismannix/status/1753468422128898051

[hilariousetc]

So they finally posted the fight trailer and it's even more epic than the Fury/Ngannou and AJ/Wallin ones: https://youtu.be/uw-c-J90_ZE?si=Bx5Hu30z2poHon8o

At least they're starting the promo now. If it had've got to Feb with nothing I would have assumed it wasn't going to happen.

How cool was Fury vs Ngannou promo video, and imho how lame is Usyk vs Fury promo video. Fury seems to look like he did not even wanted to shoot or it is all AI. Usyk, he was a cowboy, gladiator, samurai while in most of his conferences he dresses in Ukrainian national clothes (Vyshyvanka) or/and gets Cossacks look.

I would prefer him to look more like this:



Politics aside, but this looks suits him better, than this outlaw look. I understand that that Cossack wont fit in the video at all, but they could have changed its script or make more funny like Fury vs Ngannou. Usyk loves to have fun, he would sign for that easily.

I thought the video was great. They've gone for a western theme for the fight with Ring of Fire so it's in line with that. Usyk being in traditional dress wouldn't have made much sense but maybe he'll do that for the press conference or face-offs etc.

Chris Mannix
@SIChrisMannix
Tyson Fury has suffered a cut in training and is out of the undisputed heavyweight title fight with Oleksandr Usyk, Usyk's manager, Egis Klimas, told
@SInow
https://x.com/sichrismannix/status/1753468422128898051

  . I mean are we believing this was a freak accident or just a very convenient one? The cut does look nasty but given the circumstances regarding the promotion of this fight I wouldn't at all be surprised if this was purposely done. How the hell did he even do it? Sparring? If so, what is he doing having heavy sparring two weeks before a fight. Very suspicious to me. Logan Paul fought on with a cut that he got the day before the fight, though admittedly it wasn't as bad and not above the eye.

[JollyGood]

Well, that did not come as a complete surprise to those that could not explain why they felt something did not sound right about the fight. I have to say it seems very strange for Fury to have got that cut as a result of sparring. Surely he would have kept his head protective gear on while he was sparring in the ring. The cut is a bad one but the circumstances surrounding it are simply bizarre.

There seems to be a bruise surrounding the cut therefore maybe it was an unfortunate clash of heads of heads that did it, we do not know.

[FinneysTrueVision]

There is leaked footage showing Fury getting hit by an elbow in sparring.
https://talksport.com/sport/1735523/leaked-footage-tyson-fury-cut-sparring-elbow-oleksandr-usyk/

The cut is in the same place where Fury was badly cut against Otto Wallin and which has been reopened in other fights. Fury’s susceptibility to getting cut has been one of his weaknesses and is something Usyk can take advantage of.

Usyk still plans to go ahead and defend his titles on February 17. Filip Hrgović, who has been the IBF mandatory since 2022 when he beat Zhilei Zhang, is being considered as a replacement opponent. Hrgović is a good fighter who would be a tough opponent, but two weeks doesn’t seem like enough time to prepare for someone of Usyk’s caliber.

[JollyGood]

In that video it is clear Fury was hit by the elbow and he is fortunate it was above the eye and not on the eye itself. If it were to be stitched up and then Fury were to face Usyk before it healed, it goes without say that Usyk (or any other opponent) would definitely exploit the wound by trying to poke and jab at it in the hope the referee would stop the fight early-on.

Usyk will have to put all this behind him and try to focus on fighting the candidate put forward but the IBO have stated Hrgovic is their mandatory choice. Usylk will now have to focus on the next opponent instead of Fury and it will not be an easy fight as his tactics will change. If Usyk does end up fighting Hrgovic it will be a difficult fight because Hrgovic has won all 17 of his professional fights, 14 by knockout.

There is leaked footage showing Fury getting hit by an elbow in sparring.
https://talksport.com/sport/1735523/leaked-footage-tyson-fury-cut-sparring-elbow-oleksandr-usyk/

The cut is in the same place where Fury was badly cut against Otto Wallin and which has been reopened in other fights. Fury’s susceptibility to getting cut has been one of his weaknesses and is something Usyk can take advantage of.

Usyk still plans to go ahead and defend his titles on February 17. Filip Hrgović, who has been the IBF mandatory since 2022 when he beat Zhilei Zhang, is being considered as a replacement opponent. Hrgović is a good fighter who would be a tough opponent, but two weeks doesn’t seem like enough time to prepare for someone of Usyk’s caliber.

[bisdak40]

Well, that did not come as a complete surprise to those that could not explain why they felt something did not sound right about the fight. I have to say it seems very strange for Fury to have got that cut as a result of sparring. Surely he would have kept his head protective gear on while he was sparring in the ring. The cut is a bad one but the circumstances surrounding it are simply bizarre.

There seems to be a bruise surrounding the cut therefore maybe it was an unfortunate clash of heads of heads that did it, we do not know.

Whether it was caused by an elbow hit or head butt, it was a nasty one. Just unfortunate news for us boxing lovers who have waited for this fight to happen for months but suddenly got postponed. They should be careful enough for this kind of incident to not happen again because they have a contract to fulfill.

[Baofeng]

Well, that did not come as a complete surprise to those that could not explain why they felt something did not sound right about the fight. I have to say it seems very strange for Fury to have got that cut as a result of sparring. Surely he would have kept his head protective gear on while he was sparring in the ring. The cut is a bad one but the circumstances surrounding it are simply bizarre.

There seems to be a bruise surrounding the cut therefore maybe it was an unfortunate clash of heads of heads that did it, we do not know.

Whether it was caused by an elbow hit or head butt, it was a nasty one. Just unfortunate news for us boxing lovers who have waited for this fight to happen for months but suddenly got postponed. They should be careful enough for this kind of incident to not happen again because they have a contract to fulfill.

Yeah, it was very unfortunate to see him injured before the big fight, but it is what it is. And I do agree, something is not right in this fight, from the last press conference to almost no promotion. Maybe everything is already working beyond our control that this fight is not going to happen or at least be postponed and @hilariousetc have foreseen it. 

It says it will require at least 3 months to heal? That's a lot of time, maybe they will have to find a opponent for Usyk, another get busy fight for him and wait till the injury heals 100%.

[Yaunfitda]

In that video it is clear Fury was hit by the elbow and he is fortunate it was above the eye and not on the eye itself. If it were to be stitched up and then Fury were to face Usyk before it healed, it goes without say that Usyk (or any other opponent) would definitely exploit the wound by trying to poke and jab at it in the hope the referee would stop the fight early-on.

Usyk will have to put all this behind him and try to focus on fighting the candidate put forward but the IBO have stated Hrgovic is their mandatory choice. Usylk will now have to focus on the next opponent instead of Fury and it will not be an easy fight as his tactics will change. If Usyk does end up fighting Hrgovic it will be a difficult fight because Hrgovic has won all 17 of his professional fights, 14 by knockout.

There is leaked footage showing Fury getting hit by an elbow in sparring.
https://talksport.com/sport/1735523/leaked-footage-tyson-fury-cut-sparring-elbow-oleksandr-usyk/

The cut is in the same place where Fury was badly cut against Otto Wallin and which has been reopened in other fights. Fury’s susceptibility to getting cut has been one of his weaknesses and is something Usyk can take advantage of.

Usyk still plans to go ahead and defend his titles on February 17. Filip Hrgović, who has been the IBF mandatory since 2022 when he beat Zhilei Zhang, is being considered as a replacement opponent. Hrgović is a good fighter who would be a tough opponent, but two weeks doesn’t seem like enough time to prepare for someone of Usyk’s caliber.

Obviously that will be Usyk's main focus now, moving forward, the fight with Fury is cancelled from the original date and everyone is really affected by it. Maybe it could be a blessing for Usyk for all we know. He will have a target now and see if he can open that cut again during their fight, whatever date it is. It's the question whether Filip will be ready by February 17 or if Saudi wanted to continue with the fight as everything have been set up already but getting another fighter to replace Fury. There are a lot of conspiracies, noises being heard but I do think that it's all accidentally and that Croatian sparring partner doesn't want to deliberately damage Tyson in their sparring.

[TopTort777]

I knew, I knew that something is going to happen to make this fight not to happen. I had a feeling that it will be from Fury side. By the intense in the media (lack if it), by the weak promotion, by the lack of overall information, it was clear that nothing good is going to happen on Feb 17. They had so much negotiations about the fight before, they quickly made agreement to fighr on Feb 17, it was clear that something fishy is about to happen.

[Kemarit]

I knew, I knew that something is going to happen to make this fight not to happen. I had a feeling that it will be from Fury side. By the intense in the media (lack if it), by the weak promotion, by the lack of overall information, it was clear that nothing good is going to happen on Feb 17. They had so much negotiations about the fight before, they quickly made agreement to fighr on Feb 17, it was clear that something fishy is about to happen.

Yep, we don't know, we had this feeling that this fight is not going to happen as there was no promotion up to the last minute. Sometimes there are those fights that is not bound to happen. And it any case, the Saudi said that they are not going to have someone replace Fury, or at least that's how I interpret it because the statement says that they are going to refund the ticket.

Sorry for fight fans, we need to wait for Fury to heal that huge cut in his eye and then they will go on training and promotion again. Hopefully, if there is a second time, everything will be smooth and those negative emotions removed from Fury.

[TopTort777]

I am also curious what is going to happen to all event in general. If the main event is cancelled, will the other fight also be canceled? If yes, then Fury has set up a lot of other fighters, who had several weeks camp, perhaps cut weight or planned to do that, as minimum spent money on preparation. What is going on in such cases? Does anyone knows what happens in this case? Do fighters get something as cashback? Are such things stated in their contracts?

[nimogsm]

I am also curious what is going to happen to all event in general. If the main event is cancelled, will the other fight also be canceled? If yes, then Fury has set up a lot of other fighters, who had several weeks camp, perhaps cut weight or planned to do that, as minimum spent money on preparation. What is going on in such cases? Does anyone knows what happens in this case? Do fighters get something as cashback? Are such things stated in their contracts?

very good question, I also thought about this, most likely it is written in the contract and for every day of non-compliance there will be a penalty like a fine. It is very unfortunate that this happened, this is the second postponement of the fight and now it will take place at best by the summer if not later. There is already news in the news about a new opponent for Usyk, but few people will be interested in this since expectations will not be justified. I think a week or two and we will hear new dates and conditions of the fight.

[bittraffic]

I knew, I knew that something is going to happen to make this fight not to happen. I had a feeling that it will be from Fury side. By the intense in the media (lack if it), by the weak promotion, by the lack of overall information, it was clear that nothing good is going to happen on Feb 17. They had so much negotiations about the fight before, they quickly made agreement to fighr on Feb 17, it was clear that something fishy is about to happen.

Yep, we don't know, we had this feeling that this fight is not going to happen as there was no promotion up to the last minute. Sometimes there are those fights that is not bound to happen. And it any case, the Saudi said that they are not going to have someone replace Fury, or at least that's how I interpret it because the statement says that they are going to refund the ticket.

Sorry for fight fans, we need to wait for Fury to heal that huge cut in his eye and then they will go on training and promotion again. Hopefully, if there is a second time, everything will be smooth and those negative emotions removed from Fury.

The gut feeling seem right after all. I wouldn't say Fury intentionally did harm himself but something just won't happen. They have been plaanning such bout for a long time and then this happen. People are dying to see a fight like this one and if they refund the fans for thier tickets I guess they just won't give this fight another schedule.

This Hrgovic look ferocious, I don't know why this guy earn his title fight but if the Saudi allow it then its on still.

[TopTort777]

Give Usyk Dubois. That would be a very good fight that would put an end to their previous low blow or not situation. But I think Usyk wont accept that. He has prepared for Fury (did he really? Or they all knew that there wont be a fight), Dubois is different and wont “cost” that much to fight him.

[JollyGood]

There is no doubt about it, that was a nasty cut. After reviewing the video several times it does show Fury took a hit from the elbow of the sparring partner and it was unfortunate his headgear was probably just a fraction elevated at the time of impact. Fury and Usyk still have a two fight contract but there is always a danger their deal/contract could be put aside if Usyk (however unlikely) manages to lose his fight if he fights on 17th February.

18th May 2024 is the new date for the Fury vs Usyk unification fight

Whether it was caused by an elbow hit or head butt, it was a nasty one. Just unfortunate news for us boxing lovers who have waited for this fight to happen for months but suddenly got postponed. They should be careful enough for this kind of incident to not happen again because they have a contract to fulfill.

[hilariousetc]

https://www.youtube.com/live/q2euzZelAuA?si=mGFuKc6xhYfV7ahf

Turki, Tyson & Usyk were all just on Ariel's show. Tyson does have the cut so we at least now know it's not fake or an old injury.

I am also curious what is going to happen to all event in general. If the main event is cancelled, will the other fight also be canceled? If yes, then Fury has set up a lot of other fighters, who had several weeks camp, perhaps cut weight or planned to do that, as minimum spent money on preparation. What is going on in such cases? Does anyone knows what happens in this case? Do fighters get something as cashback? Are such things stated in their contracts?

They've just pushed it back a few months. Looks like there will be no boxing on that day now. There were rumours they were tyring to get usyk another opponent but it's probably best to not risk him losing or getting injured and further delaying it.

[nimogsm]

https://www.youtube.com/live/q2euzZelAuA?si=mGFuKc6xhYfV7ahf

Turki, Tyson & Usyk were all just on Ariel's show. Tyson does have the cut so we at least now know it's not fake or an old injury.

I am also curious what is going to happen to all event in general. If the main event is cancelled, will the other fight also be canceled? If yes, then Fury has set up a lot of other fighters, who had several weeks camp, perhaps cut weight or planned to do that, as minimum spent money on preparation. What is going on in such cases? Does anyone knows what happens in this case? Do fighters get something as cashback? Are such things stated in their contracts?

They've just pushed it back a few months. Looks like there will be no boxing on that day now. There were rumours they were tyring to get usyk another opponent but it's probably best to not risk him losing or getting injured and further delaying it.

The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
 Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

[bittraffic]

https://www.youtube.com/live/q2euzZelAuA?si=mGFuKc6xhYfV7ahf

Turki, Tyson & Usyk were all just on Ariel's show. Tyson does have the cut so we at least now know it's not fake or an old injury.

I am also curious what is going to happen to all event in general. If the main event is cancelled, will the other fight also be canceled? If yes, then Fury has set up a lot of other fighters, who had several weeks camp, perhaps cut weight or planned to do that, as minimum spent money on preparation. What is going on in such cases? Does anyone knows what happens in this case? Do fighters get something as cashback? Are such things stated in their contracts?

They've just pushed it back a few months. Looks like there will be no boxing on that day now. There were rumours they were tyring to get usyk another opponent but it's probably best to not risk him losing or getting injured and further delaying it.

The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
 Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

On with the show then. Too disappointing to just cancel the event and there is too much work in refunding. It's best to just move the schedule. In 2 months I guess that wound will heal thoroughly.  Fury's body is better too than when he fought Ngannou so they are taking this fight seriously.

$10M is more than enough for those undercards. They can't get that if the fight is held on the other soil. The cut turns out to be a blessing for all fighters.

[Kemarit]

https://www.youtube.com/live/q2euzZelAuA?si=mGFuKc6xhYfV7ahf

Turki, Tyson & Usyk were all just on Ariel's show. Tyson does have the cut so we at least now know it's not fake or an old injury.

I am also curious what is going to happen to all event in general. If the main event is cancelled, will the other fight also be canceled? If yes, then Fury has set up a lot of other fighters, who had several weeks camp, perhaps cut weight or planned to do that, as minimum spent money on preparation. What is going on in such cases? Does anyone knows what happens in this case? Do fighters get something as cashback? Are such things stated in their contracts?

They've just pushed it back a few months. Looks like there will be no boxing on that day now. There were rumours they were tyring to get usyk another opponent but it's probably best to not risk him losing or getting injured and further delaying it.

The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
 Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

It really depends though, most of the time, their trainers knows how many weeks they will have to go to be on their peak. In this case, for Usyk, he has to reset everything again, as his trainer doesn't want to have him overtrain.

Yes, it was good that they will have to cancel and move it to another date and not get any replacement opponent for Usyk.

So in any case, everything is on the shoulder of Fury to fulfill all the agreed upon, $10 million is huge for him if he still can't fight on May 18 and most likely the Saudi's are not going to allow him to fight anymore as His Highness, Turki Alalshikh will be done on Fury's antics.

[FinneysTrueVision]

The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
 Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

So if either fighter pulls out of the fight they would be on the hook for $10 million. That is very interesting. I wonder about the logistics of this agreement. Do they actually have $20 million in escrow, $10 million from each, or is it just a contract they signed saying they will pay that amount if they don't go through with it? I just hope there are no more obstacles and we get an undisputed heavyweight champion once and for all.

[TopTort777]

Lets hope that nothing interferes them from having a fight in May (should be change topic name? huh?). Otherwise someone can be called chicken if the fights gets canceled or postponed again.

Should we get back to this topic the closer fight date is or continue to speculate? Do you think that cut was accidental or made on purpose? Its weeks before fight, why not wear headgear? Can such cut really make so much influence on performance? Shouldnt it heal just partly till Feb 17? Fighters with such cuts continue fighting, while Fury has 2 weeks and millions to spend on doctors.

[KTChampions]

Lets hope that nothing interferes them from having a fight in May (should be change topic name? huh?). Otherwise someone can be called chicken if the fights gets canceled or postponed again.

Should we get back to this topic the closer fight date is or continue to speculate? Do you think that cut was accidental or made on purpose? Its weeks before fight, why not wear headgear? Can such cut really make so much influence on performance? Shouldnt it heal just partly till Feb 17? Fighters with such cuts continue fighting, while Fury has 2 weeks and millions to spend on doctors.

I wrote before that Fury is a cowardly trash, so I’m not at all surprised by this news. On the contrary, I would be surprised if the fight took place.
If someone considers me biased, then for example Alexander Gvozdik also expressed doubts about this whole story (even if diplomatically, but as they say, everyone understands everything).
Stupid Arabians think that a fine of 10 million will stop the gypsy chicken from his habits 
He would rather get high on cocaine and nandrolone again and sue them for having mental problems because of them 

[nimogsm]

The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
 Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

So if either fighter pulls out of the fight they would be on the hook for $10 million. That is very interesting. I wonder about the logistics of this agreement. Do they actually have $20 million in escrow, $10 million from each, or is it just a contract they signed saying they will pay that amount if they don't go through with it? I just hope there are no more obstacles and we get an undisputed heavyweight champion once and for all.

I don’t know if any of them have such funds since the amount is not small, but it will be a good incentive for every athlete to come to the fight and box.
If this is not done, boxers may lose the support of their fans and earn a reputation as a person who is not responsible for their words and actions, which will also negatively affect their future career.

[hilariousetc]

The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
 Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

So if either fighter pulls out of the fight they would be on the hook for $10 million. That is very interesting. I wonder about the logistics of this agreement. Do they actually have $20 million in escrow, $10 million from each, or is it just a contract they signed saying they will pay that amount if they don't go through with it? I just hope there are no more obstacles and we get an undisputed heavyweight champion once and for all.

I dunno but I'm sure Turki is good for it  . I think it's money he's put up to give to either party should one of them pull out. I guess it's only half given it's unlikely both fighters pull out at the same time.

Lets hope that nothing interferes them from having a fight in May (should be change topic name? huh?). Otherwise someone can be called chicken if the fights gets canceled or postponed again.

Should we get back to this topic the closer fight date is or continue to speculate? Do you think that cut was accidental or made on purpose? Its weeks before fight, why not wear headgear? Can such cut really make so much influence on performance? Shouldnt it heal just partly till Feb 17? Fighters with such cuts continue fighting, while Fury has 2 weeks and millions to spend on doctors.

If Fury comes up with some other excuse to not fight in May you can assume he's just chickened out. I would find it hard to believe even Fury can walk away from the amount of money being offered here even if he thinks he's likely to lose. Had Fury hid away and not shown the injury I would have assumed he was pulling some shenanigans but at least we know there is a genuine injury. I think he's an idiot for doing heavy sparring two weeks away from the biggest fight of his career.

[btc_angela]

The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
 Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

So if either fighter pulls out of the fight they would be on the hook for $10 million. That is very interesting. I wonder about the logistics of this agreement. Do they actually have $20 million in escrow, $10 million from each, or is it just a contract they signed saying they will pay that amount if they don't go through with it? I just hope there are no more obstacles and we get an undisputed heavyweight champion once and for all.

I don’t know if any of them have such funds since the amount is not small, but it will be a good incentive for every athlete to come to the fight and box.
If this is not done, boxers may lose the support of their fans and earn a reputation as a person who is not responsible for their words and actions, which will also negatively affect their future career.

The Saudi's just wanted this fight to happen, simply as that, and it's good that they have this clause, so that in this case Fury will have not any reasons to stall it again. And definitely, everything will be on the line specially for Fury, but he should really come to the fight and box.

And it seems that Fury has no more reasons or excuses to not fight. If he had this another freak accident, like "I broke my elbow during during the sparring", or "my cut is not yet healed 100%", then for us boxing fans, we can't deny that he chicken out and doesn't want to fight Usyk.

[KTChampions]

The Saudi's just wanted this fight to happen, simply as that, and it's good that they have this clause, so that in this case Fury will have not any reasons to stall it again. And definitely, everything will be on the line specially for Fury, but he should really come to the fight and box.

And it seems that Fury has no more reasons or excuses to not fight. If he had this another freak accident, like "I broke my elbow during during the sparring", or "my cut is not yet healed 100%", then for us boxing fans, we can't deny that he chicken out and doesn't want to fight Usyk.

Nope. It doesn't work that way. Just re-read the previous threads and this one. Even if Fury chickens out 99 times and avoids fighting under different (or identical) pretexts, someone will always say “well, if he chickens out for the 100th time then I’ll recognize him as a coward, but for now we have to wait.”

In general, I am of course very surprised by this situation (in a global sense, since, in principle, I have lost interest in this clownery) because Fury is the obvious favorite, but he is simply afraid. I don't remember such a case in boxing or other sports. Avoiding a stronger opponent is reasonable and rational (albeit mean), but avoiding a (supposedly) weaker opponent is... I don’t know how to describe it.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I wrote before that Fury is a cowardly trash, so I’m not at all surprised by this news. On the contrary, I would be surprised if the fight took place.
If someone considers me biased, then for example Alexander Gvozdik also expressed doubts about this whole story (even if diplomatically, but as they say, everyone understands everything).

So you're using a biased source to confirm your own bias? Oleksandr Gvozdyk is Usyk's close friend for many years so of course he is going to cast doubt on Fury.

In general, I am of course very surprised by this situation (in a global sense, since, in principle, I have lost interest in this clownery) because Fury is the obvious favorite, but he is simply afraid. I don't remember such a case in boxing or other sports. Avoiding a stronger opponent is reasonable and rational (albeit mean), but avoiding a (supposedly) weaker opponent is... I don’t know how to describe it.

Rejecting an unreasonable purse split when you are clearly the bigger draw isn't avoiding someone, it's common business sense. If Jake Paul agreed to fight Canelo only if he got a 50/50 split, then logically Canelo would reject that deal. Having to postpone a fight because of a harder than expected fight against a knockout artist is also not cowardly or chickening out, unless you're implying Fury intentionally allowed the record holder for most powerful punch to hit him, which would be an idiotic theory.

Freak accidents happen all the time. Errol Spence was in a horrific car accident, suffered a torn retina, was in another car accident and there are people stupid enough to say he had these incidents, some which were life threatening, because he was afraid of fighting Terence Crawford.

[hilariousetc]

I wrote before that Fury is a cowardly trash, so I’m not at all surprised by this news. On the contrary, I would be surprised if the fight took place.
If someone considers me biased, then for example Alexander Gvozdik also expressed doubts about this whole story (even if diplomatically, but as they say, everyone understands everything).

So you're using a biased source to confirm your own bias? Oleksandr Gvozdyk is Usyk's close friend for many years so of course he is going to cast doubt on Fury.

I think given the evidence presented recently we can see the injury is genuine and probably just a freak sparring accident. Had Fury just hidden away for weeks/months I would have assumed some shenanigans and thought it was a faked/feigned injury done to either stall or get out of the fight. I think Fury does want this fight even if he knows he's going to struggle or it being his biggest test. The money is just too good to turn down. Gareth A Davis has a saying for why fights do or don't happen: Money, ego, timing and he's right, but money is the biggest factor. Many fighters will avoid fights if they think they will lose or struggle but every fighter also has a price. Would I get in the ring with Fury or Usyk for a few grand? Nope. Would I do it for millions? Of course.

[KTChampions]

I wrote before that Fury is a cowardly trash, so I’m not at all surprised by this news. On the contrary, I would be surprised if the fight took place.
If someone considers me biased, then for example Alexander Gvozdik also expressed doubts about this whole story (even if diplomatically, but as they say, everyone understands everything).

So you're using a biased source to confirm your own bias? Oleksandr Gvozdyk is Usyk's close friend for many years so of course he is going to cast doubt on Fury.

In general, I am of course very surprised by this situation (in a global sense, since, in principle, I have lost interest in this clownery) because Fury is the obvious favorite, but he is simply afraid. I don't remember such a case in boxing or other sports. Avoiding a stronger opponent is reasonable and rational (albeit mean), but avoiding a (supposedly) weaker opponent is... I don’t know how to describe it.

Rejecting an unreasonable purse split when you are clearly the bigger draw isn't avoiding someone, it's common business sense. If Jake Paul agreed to fight Canelo only if he got a 50/50 split, then logically Canelo would reject that deal. Having to postpone a fight because of a harder than expected fight against a knockout artist is also not cowardly or chickening out, unless you're implying Fury intentionally allowed the record holder for most powerful punch to hit him, which would be an idiotic theory.

Freak accidents happen all the time. Errol Spence was in a horrific car accident, suffered a torn retina, was in another car accident and there are people stupid enough to say he had these incidents, some which were life threatening, because he was afraid of fighting Terence Crawford.

Each person has his own opinion and each person occupies some place in the world - he has a nationality, a country of residence, perhaps a religion, a certain level of income, certain tastes, etc. Naturally, one can say about any person on some basis that he is biased, I do not argue with that.
Fury has run away too many times (and from more than one opponent - remember the Klitschko story?) so I have reason to be biased not to believe him. For some reason, his circus fights go super smoothly (except for the fact that he likes to lie down on the canvas to rest a little), but in fights that are turning points in his career, “surprises happen.”

[JollyGood]

We have not see a unification fight since 1999 therefore this one is highly anticipate because of the historic element involved.

The new date has been set for 18th May 2024 but if for any reason the fight does not go ahead on that date because of either injury or anything else, it would seem then fight would not be going ahead at all. Usyk is trying to become the first heavyweight boxer trying to unify both at cruiserweight and heavyweight whereas Fury is trying to cement his own legacy.

[JollyGood]

Here is an interesting article about Fury stating he wants to fight Usyk twice, then Joshua (probably twice) and Ngannou again but is Fury just being Fury by talking about things that distracting from the real focus? Five fight plan for Tyson Fury

Call it a hunch but when I read about the unification fight I feel there is a chance Fury will pull out of the re-scheduled 18th May 2024 fight with Usyk. Hopefully it will go ahead as planned.

[hilariousetc]

Tyson yesterday notified the WBC that he intends to go ahead with the Usyk fight so we can assume the fight is still on track: https://www.si.com/fannation/boxing/tyson-fury-notifies-wbc-president-mauricio-sulaiman-that-he-is-prepared-to-proceed-with-usyk-preparations

Still a myriad of things can go wrong to not make this fight happen, but I believe Tyson wants it even if the thinks he might lose. The money is too big to not take it.

Here is an interesting article about Fury stating he wants to fight Usyk twice, then Joshua (probably twice) and Ngannou again but is Fury just being Fury by talking about things that distracting from the real focus? Five fight plan for Tyson Fury

Call it a hunch but when I read about the unification fight I feel there is a chance Fury will pull out of the re-scheduled 18th May 2024 fight with Usyk. Hopefully it will go ahead as planned.

I mean great if true, but Fury changes his mind like the weather, and I also don't believe half of the shit he says. It was only a month or two ago that he said he has no interest in fighting AJ and that he's not on his level. I think all those fights would be good, but I'd love to see him against someone like Zhang assuming he beats Joseph Parker next which is on the AJ/Ngannou undercard.

[JollyGood]

Tyson yesterday notified the WBC that he intends to go ahead with the Usyk fight so we can assume the fight is still on track: https://www.si.com/fannation/boxing/tyson-fury-notifies-wbc-president-mauricio-sulaiman-that-he-is-prepared-to-proceed-with-usyk-preparations

If Fury were to lose the fight he would want it to be as a result of a highly dubious points decision rather than a clean KO (or TKO) as it would allow him to claim he won but was cheated. I did read an article stating the WBC was thinking of having five ringside judges for the fight just in case the fight went the full 12 rounds and the result awarded on the judges scorecards.

It was only a month or two ago that he said he has no interest in fighting AJ and that he's not on his level. I think all those fights would be good, but I'd love to see him against someone like Zhang assuming he beats Joseph Parker next which is on the AJ/Ngannou undercard.

It is funny reading some quotes from Tyson Fury, he changes his mind far to often for anybody to take him seriously 

For the fights you mentioned, I will go for Ngannou to win by knockout by round 4 and for Parker to win by TKO by round 8.

[hilariousetc]

Tyson yesterday notified the WBC that he intends to go ahead with the Usyk fight so we can assume the fight is still on track: https://www.si.com/fannation/boxing/tyson-fury-notifies-wbc-president-mauricio-sulaiman-that-he-is-prepared-to-proceed-with-usyk-preparations

If Fury were to lose the fight he would want it to be as a result of a highly dubious points decision rather than a clean KO (or TKO) as it would allow him to claim he won but was cheated. I did read an article stating the WBC was thinking of having five ringside judges for the fight just in case the fight went the full 12 rounds and the result awarded on the judges scorecards.

Ngannou needs to knock Fury out next time and make a statement, and I think he will try his best to do so it's not left up to the judges. I think more judges would help, but people will still be robbed.

It was only a month or two ago that he said he has no interest in fighting AJ and that he's not on his level. I think all those fights would be good, but I'd love to see him against someone like Zhang assuming he beats Joseph Parker next which is on the AJ/Ngannou undercard.

It is funny reading some quotes from Tyson Fury, he changes his mind far to often for anybody to take him seriously 

For the fights you mentioned, I will go for Ngannou to win by knockout by round 4 and for Parker to win by TKO by round 8.

I personally wouldn't put money on Parker in that fight. Parker was KO-ed by Joe Joyce and Zhang absolutely battered Joyce twice and very comfortably I might add. I'm really routing for Zhang as I think he could be very dangerous to the other heavyweights especially Tyson and the big heavyweights are gonna avoid him like the plague. A Zhang Vs Ngannou would be a slugfest. Both have heads and chins made of granite. Either way I'm looking forward very much to the Zhang/Parker fight on the undercard.

[JollyGood]

Ngannou needs to knock Fury out next time and make a statement, and I think he will try his best to do so it's not left up to the judges. I think more judges would help, but people will still be robbed.

I have a feeling there will not be a another fight for Fury after Usyk. I would not surprised at all if Fury hangs up his gloves after the first Usyk fight even if there is a rematch clause and we know they know they have a three-fight clause. No matter what Fury is stating about Joshua and Ngannou, he probably does not want to face Ngannou again and Joshua further down his pecking order.

I personally wouldn't put money on Parker in that fight. Parker was KO-ed by Joe Joyce and Zhang absolutely battered Joyce twice and very comfortably I might add. I'm really routing for Zhang as I think he could be very dangerous to the other heavyweights especially Tyson and the big heavyweights are gonna avoid him like the plague. A Zhang Vs Ngannou would be a slugfest. Both have heads and chins made of granite. Either way I'm looking forward very much to the Zhang/Parker fight on the undercard.

Zhang out punched Joyce in their first fight and caused a stopped because of hos swollen eye and then knocked him out on their rematch. Parker was beaten by Joyce but I think that night was for him to shine and Parker to remind himself that a loss is a punch away.

If Parker can make Zhang get tired he will win but Zhang looks like the real deal yet still unpolished and has work to go further. I think he will be a heavyweight champion within 18 months.

[btc_angela]

And so the eye injury has healed already,

Tyson Fury insists that the cut that caused the postponement of his eagerly awaited fight with Oleksandr Usyk has already healed and that he is ready to stop the Ukrainian when they finally meet in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia on May 18.

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-healed-raring-go-usyk--181888

And he still has enough time for training or could be training already as he anticipated that that cut will be healed this time. So again, there should no more excuses and no more delayed as everyone is looking for this fight come May 18th.

And Usyk could also be raring to go and it could be at his advantage to have more time in his hands to prepare for this fight.

[JollyGood]

This is supposed to be one of the most eagerly anticipated boxing fights in a very long time but I remember Fury vs Wilder had more media attention and buzz around it. I guess we have been close on several occasions having Fury and Usyk in the ring but been let down therefore it does not have the same eagerness now. At this moment, Joshua vs Ngannou has more boxing fans and neutrals talking about it.

[Kemarit]

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

Got curious when I read that Usyk is now the favorite in this fight and so I check Stake and this is the listing right now,

Fury, Tyson - 1.85
Usyk, Oleksandr - 1.89

Fury is still the favorite but Usyk is closing in and the odds is almost even now. So there is a big swing in the odds. Most likely after the AJ destroys Ngannou fight, and when bettors see how Ngannou had a close fight against Fury and then AJ just dominated Francis, maybe bettors saw that as a sign that Fury could might have a hard time or even lose against Usyk now.

What do you think could be the reasons of the bet swing in favor of Usyk here?

[JollyGood]

The poll in this thread stands at 15 votes:

Fury win = 10
Usyk win = 5
Draw = 0

I think over time it will tilt more towards Usyk therefore will almost level out but Fury will just edge it and remain favourite. After the way Ngannou shocked him, Fury must be thinking seriously about how to make sure Usyk does not get a good start in the fight.

As for Usyk, his confidence must be high after he saw Fury knocked down by Ngannou but even he knows it will take an extremely special performance to beat Fury.

[TravelMug]

The poll in this thread stands at 15 votes:

Fury win = 10
Usyk win = 5
Draw = 0

I think over time it will tilt more towards Usyk therefore will almost level out but Fury will just edge it and remain favourite. After the way Ngannou shocked him, Fury must be thinking seriously about how to make sure Usyk does not get a good start in the fight.

As for Usyk, his confidence must be high after he saw Fury knocked down by Ngannou but even he knows it will take an extremely special performance to beat Fury.

Yeah, probably after that performance of Tyson Fury against Ngannou, Usyk could have been more motivated than ever and see in his mind that he can beat Fury. And this could also be what the boxing community sees as well, that's why we shouldn't be surprised as the fight gets closer, Usyk could be the slight favorite as he is now inching closer with just couple of odds separating them. But so far our boxing fans here still has Fury as majority favorite.

[JollyGood]

It seems widely accepted by fans and pundits that it will be a close fight. In testament to Fury, he did brilliantly against Wilder in all three fights but it seems it might have taken a lot out of him in terms of motivation. After that trilogy he seemed to have fallen in to a flat period where he was unable to have momentum on his side. Yes he won the subsequent fights but how many of those victories had the authority of a champion?

Yeah, probably after that performance of Tyson Fury against Ngannou, Usyk could have been more motivated than ever and see in his mind that he can beat Fury. And this could also be what the boxing community sees as well, that's why we shouldn't be surprised as the fight gets closer, Usyk could be the slight favorite as he is now inching closer with just couple of odds separating them. But so far our boxing fans here still has Fury as majority favorite.

[JollyGood]

I had not thought about this possibility as an outcome for when Fury and Usyk eventually get in the ring on 18th May 2024 (to have the heavyweight unification title fight that most boxing fans want to see) but Ricky Hatton suggested the could be over in a stoppage win for Usyk if the wound over the eye opens up during their clash. There is no suggestion Usyk will deliberately try to target that wound but it should have healed by that stage to the point it should not re-open easily.

Keeping that aside, footage of Fury training for the fight has gone viral as fans think Usyk will be in trouble when they meet in the ring because Fury seems to be in peak condition and fully focused on winning.

[hilariousetc]

It seems widely accepted by fans and pundits that it will be a close fight. In testament to Fury, he did brilliantly against Wilder in all three fights but it seems it might have taken a lot out of him in terms of motivation. After that trilogy he seemed to have fallen in to a flat period where he was unable to have momentum on his side. Yes he won the subsequent fights but how many of those victories had the authority of a champion?

It's a 50/50 fight for me. I either think Fury will get a KO or Usyk will win on points, but I've got a feeling it could be a boring match it both fighters are just trying to win it on points, especially as they will both know there's a two-sided rematch clause so either fighter can just learn from their mistakes from the first match. The only thing that could spice it up is Tyson could probably play dirty if Uysk is clearly beating him, which is certainly a possibility. Expect some low blows and elbows. Skybet currently have Fury as the slight favourite at 1.83 to Usyk's 2.00.

I wonder when they're gonna start ramping up the promo for this because it's become quiet again. No press conferences or undercard announced yet. Both fighters have also been silent on the promo.

[Baofeng]

It seems widely accepted by fans and pundits that it will be a close fight. In testament to Fury, he did brilliantly against Wilder in all three fights but it seems it might have taken a lot out of him in terms of motivation. After that trilogy he seemed to have fallen in to a flat period where he was unable to have momentum on his side. Yes he won the subsequent fights but how many of those victories had the authority of a champion?

It's a 50/50 fight for me. I either think Fury will get a KO or Usyk will win on points, but I've got a feeling it could be a boring match it both fighters are just trying to win it on points, especially as they will both know there's a two-sided rematch clause so either fighter can just learn from their mistakes from the first match. The only thing that could spice it up is Tyson could probably play dirty if Uysk is clearly beating him, which is certainly a possibility. Expect some low blows and elbows. Skybet currently have Fury as the slight favourite at 1.83 to Usyk's 2.00.

I wonder when they're gonna start ramping up the promo for this because it's become quiet again. No press conferences or undercard announced yet. Both fighters have also been silent on the promo.

Stake had it 1.85 for Fury and 1.89 for Usyk. Yeah, it could be both fighters are going to be very careful in the beginning unless Fury started hot like in the Wilder fight and really wanted to stomped his class against Usyk.

But Usyk is also very technical so it's hard for Fury to used that tactics as Usyk knows that, so no clinching for him and he wants the fight to be in the middle. I also haven't hears anything yet, it will be April next week so most likely they are working hard in the gym for now.

[JollyGood]

It's a 50/50 fight for me. I either think Fury will get a KO or Usyk will win on points, but I've got a feeling it could be a boring match it both fighters are just trying to win it on points, especially as they will both know there's a two-sided rematch clause so either fighter can just learn from their mistakes from the first match.

Sometimes the fights that are supposed to be blockbusters end up being the complete opposite. If they both fight to cautious extremes it could end up being a boring fight but I guess we will have to wait for it to take place before coming to any conclusion. It is after all the first heavyweight unification fight since 1999.

I wonder when they're gonna start ramping up the promo for this because it's become quiet again. No press conferences or undercard announced yet. Both fighters have also been silent on the promo.

Lack of hype and promotion really does not help but that is secondary to the fact an historic moment is about to happen.

Stake had it 1.85 for Fury and 1.89 for Usyk.

In all honesty, the fight really is far too close to call. On the day and any given day, either of these two boxers can tip the balance in their favour and win.

[hilariousetc]

The undercard was announced at least:



https://www.instagram.com/p/C5G1HAbLcdQ/


    Jai Opetaia vs. Mairis Briedis
    Joe Cordins vs. Anthony Cacace
    Frank Sanchez and Agit Kabayel
    Mark Chamberlain vs. Joshua Oluwaseun
    Sergey Kovalev vs. Robin Sirwan
    Isaac Lowe vs. Hasibullah
    Ahmadi David Nyika vs. Michael Seitz
    Moses Itauma vs. Ilja Mazencev

Pretty lacklustre for a fight of this magnitude. I thought they would have gone all out with it being a historic event, but they probably blew their beans with the recent Saudi cards.

[KTChampions]

Stake had it 1.85 for Fury and 1.89 for Usyk. Yeah, it could be both fighters are going to be very careful in the beginning unless Fury started hot like in the Wilder fight and really wanted to stomped his class against Usyk.

But Usyk is also very technical so it's hard for Fury to used that tactics as Usyk knows that, so no clinching for him and he wants the fight to be in the middle. I also haven't hears anything yet, it will be April next week so most likely they are working hard in the gym for now.

Incredibly, the quotes came to almost 50/50. Initially, everyone considered Fury the big favorite and the quotes were accordingly. I don’t even know if it’s worth betting on Usik now since the odds are no longer so good, but on the other hand, almost always when I saw such strong changes in quotes, the one in whose favor they changed won.

[JollyGood]

I think you are being extremely generous if you are using the word lacklustre, I can think of several more apt words to describe it. This is the first heavyweight unification fight since 1999, it clearly deserved bigger names on the undercard.

To be more direct, you would have imagined they would have at the very least added a blockbuster undercard. How many people in the arena will fall asleep while waiting for the main event? 

The undercard was announced at least: Pretty lacklustre for a fight of this magnitude. I thought they would have gone all out with it being a historic event, but they probably blew their beans with the recent Saudi cards.

[inthelongrun]

2 title fights in the undercard. Not bad. Hoping for Briedis to get back his old belt but it's a mission nearly impossible since he is inactive and is also nearing in his 40s. Beterbiev, if he becomes undisputed with a clear win over Bivol should move up and face the winner.

I wonder if there are also odds for Fury to make another excuses to cancel or delay this fight. Anyways, he gets what he wants. He has a lot of time to train while trimming down in weight to become faster. But I am not counting out yet on Fury making another drama to get out of this unification if he performs bad in sparring sessions.

[Kemarit]

2 title fights in the undercard. Not bad. Hoping for Briedis to get back his old belt but it's a mission nearly impossible since he is inactive and is also nearing in his 40s. Beterbiev, if he becomes undisputed with a clear win over Bivol should move up and face the winner.

I wonder if there are also odds for Fury to make another excuses to cancel or delay this fight. Anyways, he gets what he wants. He has a lot of time to train while trimming down in weight to become faster. But I am not counting out yet on Fury making another drama to get out of this unification if he performs bad in sparring sessions.

Not sure Fury wanted to make another excuses mate, I mean if he did then more than the belt itself, his will lose the respect of the biggest boxer broker right now which is HE Turki Alalshikh. And he might not get a chance to step on Saudi if he will do that.

So for me this is a go already and Fury even if he gets injured or what, should proceed.

I would also agree that the undercard is pretty lame, but I guess this fighter is willing to go to Saudi now and make their bones.

[JollyGood]

The fight is taking place next month and one thing has been almost constant from when the contracts were signed, the promotion is exceptionally muted. I cannot recall any important heavyweight boxing clash ever receiving less news and promotion. When you consider this is the first heavyweight unification fight since 1999, the silence is baffling.

[Baofeng]

The fight is taking place next month and once things has been almost constant from when the contracts were signed, the promotion is exceptionally muted. I cannot recall any important heavyweight boxing clash ever receiving less news and promotion. When you consider this is the first heavyweight unification fight since 1999, the silence is baffling.

I do agree, really puzzle me as well as why there are noise on this fight? We've seen more of Mike Tyson being interviewed by media about his fight with Jake Paul?

Or they are doing what they have done with the AJ vs Ngannou fight wherein it was also silent until the last minute, then suddenly they have a lot of promotions even creating this so called online games?

And base on the odds, almost 50/50, Usyk 1.89/Fury 1.85.

[JollyGood]

The odds seem interesting in that if the fight occurred a couple of years ago, they would have favoured Fury with a larger margin. Now it seems Usyk is making it (almost) even.

Boxing fans seem to have waited a very long time for any heavyweight unification fight and this one had long negotiations over a couple of years before they were supposed to meet. After that, Fury suffered a cut above his eye in training therefore the original date was postponed. Now, the fight does not seem to get anybody excited.

If the media were to get behind this fight and start promoting it by talking about it more, I think the anticipation and excitement level will increase but this simply is not happening.

I do agree, really puzzle me as well as why there are noise on this fight? We've seen more of Mike Tyson being interviewed by media about his fight with Jake Paul?

Or they are doing what they have done with the AJ vs Ngannou fight wherein it was also silent until the last minute, then suddenly they have a lot of promotions even creating this so called online games?

And base on the odds, almost 50/50, Usyk 1.89/Fury 1.85.

[Baofeng]

Well for those who wanted to see some kind of promotion, here is a video of Usyk

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1777428051938210132

Not that much, and there are another video of him hurting his sparring partner with a quick over hand left. We will probably see a video of Fury then next trying to trash talk Usyk with those videos that he released.

[JollyGood]

Finally there is a video from Usyk, it took a long time. The problem is the amount of talk there is going on in the media. Fury is keeping a low profile with the exception of his recent sparring video and we are scratching our heads wondering where the promotion is. Where is the media hype?

Could it really be a case of both boxers simply being focused on their training to the extent they have almost closed themselves off from the outside world media?

Well for those who wanted to see some kind of promotion, here is a video of Usyk

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1777428051938210132

Not that much, and there are another video of him hurting his sparring partner with a quick over hand left. We will probably see a video of Fury then next trying to trash talk Usyk with those videos that he released.

[yazher]

The fight is taking place next month and one thing has been almost constant from when the contracts were signed, the promotion is exceptionally muted. I cannot recall any important heavyweight boxing clash ever receiving less news and promotion. When you consider this is the first heavyweight unification fight since 1999, the silence is baffling.

This fight should happen and after I watch how Usyk climbs the ladder from unifying all belts Cruser Weight to be a champion in the heavyweight right now and the only one left for him is Fury to beat, I want to watch and cheer him in his journey to become Unified Heavyweight Champion this year. we all want to see this one and this is undoubtedly a big fight compared to Ngannoue vs Fury because Usyk is more capable of beating Fury and has a high chance to unify all the Heavyweight Belts. They need to make it happen this year since both of them are about to reach their limit and settling it next month is the only way to satisfy the fans of whoever wins the fight.

[bbc.reporter]

Finally there is a video from Usyk, it took a long time. The problem is the amount of talk there is going on in the media. Fury is keeping a low profile with the exception of his recent sparring video and we are scratching our heads wondering where the promotion is. Where is the media hype?

Could it really be a case of both boxers simply being focused on their training to the extent they have almost closed themselves off from the outside world media?

Well for those who wanted to see some kind of promotion, here is a video of Usyk

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1777428051938210132

Not that much, and there are another video of him hurting his sparring partner with a quick over hand left. We will probably see a video of Fury then next trying to trash talk Usyk with those videos that he released.

I speculate that if Tyson Fury is very quiet, this is where he might be spending all of his time only on training and creating new tactics with his father. I reckon that it should be very clear that the Fury we have witnessed against Francis Ngannou did not train. He was eating, drinking and watching his cartoon shows while Francis was in the gym hehehe.

However, Tyson Fury presently has been training 24 hours a day without a rest. He uploaded his latest picture on social media. You will notice the very big difference.

[inthelongrun]

The fight is taking place next month and one thing has been almost constant from when the contracts were signed, the promotion is exceptionally muted. I cannot recall any important heavyweight boxing clash ever receiving less news and promotion. When you consider this is the first heavyweight unification fight since 1999, the silence is baffling.

This fight should happen and after I watch how Usyk climbs the ladder from unifying all belts Cruser Weight to be a champion in the heavyweight right now and the only one left for him is Fury to beat, I want to watch and cheer him in his journey to become Unified Heavyweight Champion this year. we all want to see this one and this is undoubtedly a big fight compared to Ngannoue vs Fury because Usyk is more capable of beating Fury and has a high chance to unify all the Heavyweight Belts. They need to make it happen this year since both of them are about to reach their limit and settling it next month is the only way to satisfy the fans of whoever wins the fight.

Big belly has over a month to train harder. I believe Fury is determined because he has no choice, he is cornered and it will be a shame if he ducks once again which is normal to him. But I still believe he won't enter the ring unless he is performing well in his sparring sessions. He already trimmed down in weight as expected and now he needs to maintain it.

I wonder what's next for AJ after his big win over Ngannou. Usyk and Fury are locked in with a rematch clause. I would like AJ to take on IBF mandatory, Filip Hrgovic or a rematch with WBO interim holder Joseph Parker.

[Dave1]

The fight is taking place next month and one thing has been almost constant from when the contracts were signed, the promotion is exceptionally muted. I cannot recall any important heavyweight boxing clash ever receiving less news and promotion. When you consider this is the first heavyweight unification fight since 1999, the silence is baffling.

This fight should happen and after I watch how Usyk climbs the ladder from unifying all belts Cruser Weight to be a champion in the heavyweight right now and the only one left for him is Fury to beat, I want to watch and cheer him in his journey to become Unified Heavyweight Champion this year. we all want to see this one and this is undoubtedly a big fight compared to Ngannoue vs Fury because Usyk is more capable of beating Fury and has a high chance to unify all the Heavyweight Belts. They need to make it happen this year since both of them are about to reach their limit and settling it next month is the only way to satisfy the fans of whoever wins the fight.

Big belly has over a month to train harder. I believe Fury is determined because he has no choice, he is cornered and it will be a shame if he ducks once again which is normal to him. But I still believe he won't enter the ring unless he is performing well in his sparring sessions. He already trimmed down in weight as expected and now he needs to maintain it.

His face is on the line here, if he cancelled it again, it will be over for him. The Saudi's might not give him any opportunity in the future as we all know that honor is a big word for them. And if Fury uses another excuses, so once t hat happens, it's done.

It's good that some video of Usyk has surface, so at least this fight is still happening. Fury might be secretly and trainer harder. But I don't think he will likely lost some pounds in this fight or his "big belly". He will need that extra weight again to put on Usyk when they clinch, just like what he did against Wilder.

[KTChampions]

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However, Tyson Fury presently has been training 24 hours a day without a rest. He uploaded his latest picture on social media. You will notice the very big difference.

Wow, The Rock Dwayne Johnson is in great shape. However, if Fury considers himself to be one, then most likely he does not train 24/7 but is again experiencing mental problems due to cocaine and nandrolone 

Quotes haunt me - at the moment on sportsbet.io it’s literally 1.85 to 1.85. In theory, such a dramatic change is a sure sign that you should bet against the former favorite. But 1.85 doesn't seem like good compensation for the risk.

[JollyGood]

Big belly has over a month to train harder.

I wonder what's next for AJ after his big win over Ngannou. Usyk and Fury are locked in with a rematch clause. I would like AJ to take on IBF mandatory, Filip Hrgovic or a rematch with WBO interim holder Joseph Parker.

Joshua had a fantastic win over Ngannou and we were all surprised to see how he completely dominated the fight. The ending was a sad thing to watch as Ngannou required medical attention. Having said that, I believe Parker will beat Joshua. It went to the judges scorecard the first time they met in 2018 but if they were to meet today, I am confident Parker will defeat Joshua.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Joshua had a fantastic win over Ngannou and we were all surprised to see how he completely dominated the fight. The ending was a sad thing to watch as Ngannou required medical attention. Having said that, I believe Parker will beat Joshua. It went to the judges scorecard the first time they met in 2018 but if they were to meet today, I am confident Parker will defeat Joshua.

Parker’s biggest weakness is his lack of power. He also got dropped twice against Zhang. Joshua isn’t some slow, overweight neanderthal like Zhang is. If he is able to hurt Parker, he is not going to allow him to recover. Deontay Wilder is supposed to fight Zhang next. If he wins that fight, then I would rather see him face Joshua. Despite neither being champions anymore, it would still be a huge fight that would do great numbers on PPV.

[bbc.reporter]

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However, Tyson Fury presently has been training 24 hours a day without a rest. He uploaded his latest picture on social media. You will notice the very big difference.

Wow, The Rock Dwayne Johnson is in great shape. However, if Fury considers himself to be one, then most likely he does not train 24/7 but is again experiencing mental problems due to cocaine and nandrolone  

Quotes haunt me - at the moment on sportsbet.io it’s literally 1.85 to 1.85. In theory, such a dramatic change is a sure sign that you should bet against the former favorite. But 1.85 doesn't seem like good compensation for the risk.

However, if Tyson Fury trained for the fight against Francis Ngannou and punched Francis straight to the stretcher and carried out by Mike Tyson, would the odds on Fury be 1.85? It will certainly be very much lower, I reckon. This is the picture mentioned that was being compared by the fans to the Rock.

Also, what is this nondrolone? This is my first time knowing this ehehe. Is this good? Will this drug cause Fury to imagine and invent a new punch heheheh.

[hilariousetc]

Tyson is having a snap press conference soon at 12:30 GMT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ZkLdYVtJ4



Apparently he's doing it by himself. Bit bizarre announcing a shock press conference within 24 hours. I've got a feeling this isn't going to be good news. Retirement, postponement, failed a drug test???

[btc_angela]

Tyson is having a snap press conference soon at 12:30 GMT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ZkLdYVtJ4



Apparently he's doing it by himself. Bit bizarre announcing a shock press conference within 24 hours. I've got a feeling this isn't going to be good news. Retirement, postponement, failed a drug test???

Doesn't look good to be honest, but If I'm going to be positive here, probably Tyson Fury is hyping this fight with this kind of press conference. He hasn't had history of drug related failed test isn't it?

But if this is true, then it's really a shocker and then the fight getting cancelled again and most likely it will not going to happen.

Hopefully this is not the case.

[Baofeng]

Tyson is having a snap press conference soon at 12:30 GMT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ZkLdYVtJ4



Apparently he's doing it by himself. Bit bizarre announcing a shock press conference within 24 hours. I've got a feeling this isn't going to be good news. Retirement, postponement, failed a drug test???

Doesn't look good to be honest, but If I'm going to be positive here, probably Tyson Fury is hyping this fight with this kind of press conference. He hasn't had history of drug related failed test isn't it?

But if this is true, then it's really a shocker and then the fight getting cancelled again and most likely it will not going to happen.

Hopefully this is not the case.

Nothing of that happen in the press conference in his hometown with Frank Warren. It's just all Fury wanting to let everyone knows that he is back and then point to a fact that a CW like Usyk cannot beat the top tier boxer.

And then the litany of great CW in history when they step up with the great Heavyweight fighters, they usually lost according to him.

And so with that, he believes that Usyk is not  going to beat him this May 18th.

[Jating]

^^ Ok, but why make a separate press conference for this kind of non-sense from him? He can simply say that Usyk is not going to beat him as size matter. But still he put on a a tirade and attack those CW in history that lost to a good HW fighter.

“We have weight divisions for a reason. When the cruiserweights step up to the big boys, they are usually found wanting. You can beat the average big ones, but you can’t beat the elite big ones because size really matters,”

https://www.boxingscene.com/tyson-fury-cruiserweights-step-up-theyre-usually-found-wanting--182752

In any case, he should prepared for this fight 100% because if he losses here, this whole press conference is just a bunch of rubbish.

[bbc.reporter]

Tyson is having a snap press conference soon at 12:30 GMT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ZkLdYVtJ4



Apparently he's doing it by himself. Bit bizarre announcing a shock press conference within 24 hours. I've got a feeling this isn't going to be good news. Retirement, postponement, failed a drug test???

It appears that Tyson Fury might have made this decision to have a snap press conference because he wants to promote the fight, however,he also wants to promote this under his own schedule. I will not be shocked if he is not present on 1 or 2 official press conferences. He will be busy training hehehe.

On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.

[Fundamentals Of]

On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.

But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.

In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.

[KTChampions]

Wow, The Rock Dwayne Johnson is in great shape. However, if Fury considers himself to be one, then most likely he does not train 24/7 but is again experiencing mental problems due to cocaine and nandrolone  

Quotes haunt me - at the moment on sportsbet.io it’s literally 1.85 to 1.85. In theory, such a dramatic change is a sure sign that you should bet against the former favorite. But 1.85 doesn't seem like good compensation for the risk.

However, if Tyson Fury trained for the fight against Francis Ngannou and punched Francis straight to the stretcher and carried out by Mike Tyson, would the odds on Fury be 1.85? It will certainly be very much lower, I reckon. This is the picture mentioned that was being compared by the fans to the Rock.

Also, what is this nondrolone? This is my first time knowing this ehehe. Is this good? Will this drug cause Fury to imagine and invent a new punch heheheh.

It is difficult to say whether it is possible to invent a new punch with the help of nandrolone, but since it is an anabolic steroid, it can help you get into shape faster (which Fury definitely needed). The question is whether he will again be able to find a boar with the required concentration of nandrolone in the meat  

Quotes are still 1.85 - 1.85. I still don’t understand if there is value here (probably in a bet on Fury). There is probably no point in betting live, since one hit will change the whole picture.

[hilariousetc]

That had to have been one of the most pointless press conferences ever. Nothing was announced at all. The highlight was John Fury being honest and saying the fight could be boring haha, which Frank Warren didn't seem too happy about and caused quite a stir amongst the crowd. It looks like they are probably panicking about the lack of promo. Tyson's manager did an interview after and someone asked him what it was all about and why it came out of the blue and he said something along the lines of they're contractually obligated to promote the fight, so that's probably the only reason it happened. Interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbOG7AXkEMc

It wouldn't surprise me if the PPV buys have been very poor so far due to lack of promotion and poor undercard. Could this be one of the most anticlimactic fights in history?

[btc_angela]

That had to have been one of the most pointless press conferences ever. Nothing was announced at all. The highlight was John Fury being honest and saying the fight could be boring haha, which Frank Warren didn't seem too happy about and caused quite a stir amongst the crowd. It looks like they are probably panicking about the lack of promo. Tyson's manager did an interview after and someone asked him what it was all about and why it came out of the blue and he said something along the lines of they're contractually obligated to promote the fight, so that's probably the only reason it happened. Interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbOG7AXkEMc

It wouldn't surprise me if the PPV buys have been very poor so far due to lack of promotion and poor undercard. Could this be one of the most anticlimactic fights in history?

Oh well, I was hype about this so called press conference, but it was a snoozer and nothing exciting has been announced here. And probably some boxing fans, including myself has fallen for it waiting and then it's obvious that this is just a promotion that is long overdue on the side of Warren and Tyson Fury to come out in public for this fight.

And with that, it didn't do anything as intended, no hype whatsoever in social media and it's obvious as well that this is like being force by Warren as they are obligated to promote this fight as you have said. No preparation whatsoever, just get someone to announce it and invite the media, that's it.

[bbc.reporter]

On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.

But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.

In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.

I mention similar measure of capabilities implying that they are in top 5 in their weight division. This does not need to be 100% similar measure, there will be differences like you mentioned. However yes, the argument is if Fury and Usyk is compared to someone who has not fought a big name in the heavyweight division would clearly imply that it is not in a similar measure.

In any case, agreed on your prediction. Tyson Fury also will be quicker for the fight after his diet from beer and junk food hehee.

@hilariousetc. Is Tyson Fury doing something similar as Muhammad Ali where he confuses his enemies before the fight?

[Kemarit]

On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.

But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.

In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.

I mention similar measure of capabilities implying that they are in top 5 in their weight division. This does not need to be 100% similar measure, there will be differences like you mentioned. However yes, the argument is if Fury and Usyk is compared to someone who has not fought a big name in the heavyweight division would clealy imply that it is not in a similar measure.

In any case, agreed on your prediction. Tyson Fury also will be quicker for the fight after his diet from beer and junk food hehee.

@hilariousetc. Is Tyson Fury doing something similar as Muhammad Ali where he confuses his enemies before the fight?

Not sure what you mean by this, but I don't see Fury confusing Usyk here, on the contrary, in that press conference, he says that a big men will always beat the smaller one and size matters. So obviously he is stating that he is going to beat Usyk because he is the bigger and better boxer.

And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.

[JollyGood]

One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.

And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.

[bbc.reporter]

On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.

But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.

In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.

I mention similar measure of capabilities implying that they are in top 5 in their weight division. This does not need to be 100% similar measure, there will be differences like you mentioned. However yes, the argument is if Fury and Usyk is compared to someone who has not fought a big name in the heavyweight division would clealy imply that it is not in a similar measure.

In any case, agreed on your prediction. Tyson Fury also will be quicker for the fight after his diet from beer and junk food hehee.

@hilariousetc. Is Tyson Fury doing something similar as Muhammad Ali where he confuses his enemies before the fight?

Not sure what you mean by this, but I don't see Fury confusing Usyk here, on the contrary, in that press conference, he says that a big men will always beat the smaller one and size matters. So obviously he is stating that he is going to beat Usyk because he is the bigger and better boxer.

And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.

Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight? He might weigh 20 pounds lighter or more for this fight, I reckon. He has declared that size matters implying that he will use this, however, during the time of the fight I speculate that we might see a slender and sexy Tyson Fury who will float like a butterfly similar to Muhammad Ali hehehehe. Also, Tyson's bee stings might be stronger than Muhammad Ali's bee stings hehehe.

[JollyGood]

His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost  lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?

Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?

[hilariousetc]

One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.

And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.

To be fair that's a common tactic in boxing. Not only does it give the boxer a breather but it drains your opponent of energy as they have to bare their weight. Fury tried doing it to Ngannou but Francis was too heavy/strong and it backfired. Tyson will 100% use this against Usyk given he's the taller and heavier man, but I expect Tyson will play dirty in other ways like low blows and elbows, especially if it's clear he is losing.  

His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost  lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?

Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?

He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Has this been discussed before here?



https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1768563585951621370

6 judges really? I'm opposed to it, I must admit that there are really some outrage scorecard in some high profile fights, but having 6 judges to score? nah, I don't think it won't happen and it won't solved any. And for all we know, all this judges is as corrupt as the boxing body themselves like WBC.

[Dave1]

^^ The timing though, it's a high profile fight and Sulaiman wanted to have a test run with this big fight?

Why not test it out to some lesser known fights and see how it goes? And he could have been adding more controversies in this fight, so it doesn't make sense for the WBC president to put more fuel to the fire here.

And for sure majority of boxing fans here are not going to agree with him.

[hilariousetc]

^^ The timing though, it's a high profile fight and Sulaiman wanted to have a test run with this big fight?

Why not test it out to some lesser known fights and see how it goes? And he could have been adding more controversies in this fight, so it doesn't make sense for the WBC president to put more fuel to the fire here.

And for sure majority of boxing fans here are not going to agree with him.

Yeah, it's silly doing it for such a high profile fight. I'm sure it would only cause more drama not less. I'm not opposed to more judges and something really needs to change with the scoring system as there's far too many robberies these days and often the judges don't seem to be watching the same fight as the viewers. Maybe they need another judge who watches the same TV feed the fans do so they can get a better look from a unique angle that neither the ref or judges can. There's also talk of implementing some sort of VAR, which I'm not sure would be great for boxing, but that additional ref who is watching the stream could maybe talk to the ring ref during the fight if he spots a foul/low blow or elbow etc.

[JollyGood]

He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.

In the digital age where everything that is being said and posted is scrutinised with the finest of fine combs, it is a huge risk to put up older photos of a bygone era looking very fit and healthy because it can open boxers up to ridicule. Hardly anybody will believe Fury is not going to be in top shape when he enters the ring and the same goes for Usyk too. Both boxers will be looking forward to trying to make history and they can only do so if they are in peak physical condition.

6 judges really? I'm opposed to it, I must admit that there are really some outrage scorecard in some high profile fights, but having 6 judges to score? nah, I don't think it won't happen and it won't solved any. And for all we know, all this judges is as corrupt as the boxing body themselves like WBC.

It has been mentioned before but I cannot see the logic in having six judges when they already have three. If a change was to be made I think an odd numbr would be better as the chances of awarding a draw will become slightly (less) better,

[hilariousetc]

He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.

Hardly anybody will believe Fury is not going to be in top shape when he enters the ring and the same goes for Usyk too. Both boxers will be looking forward to trying to make history and they can only do so if they are in peak physical condition.

I dunno. Tyson's weight seems to fluctuate widely and he has often got in the ring quite out of shape, or least with a lot of fat on. I don't suppose it matters if you get the win but I think Uysk is going to be a far more dangerous fighter than any of Tyson's last fights of Nhannou, Chisora and Whyte. Usyk is in shape all year around as well which is far better than Tyson's yo-yoing in weight and fitness. Given that this a is a two-fight deal I hope Tyson doesn't go into this thinking it doesn't matter as he can make changes and get retribution in the rematch should he lose.

6 judges really? I'm opposed to it, I must admit that there are really some outrage scorecard in some high profile fights, but having 6 judges to score? nah, I don't think it won't happen and it won't solved any. And for all we know, all this judges is as corrupt as the boxing body themselves like WBC.

It has been mentioned before but I cannot see the logic in having six judges when they already have three. If a change was to be made I think an odd numbr would be better as the chances of awarding a draw will become slightly (less) better,

I think the first proposed change was going to be 5 judges. First I've heard of six which does seem far too many. What's going to happen when the scorecards are all widely different. I do think the with the current three it does lead to far too many issues. Plenty of times the judges are split and often go against what the viewers thought.

[bbc.reporter]

One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.

And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.

To be fair that's a common tactic in boxing. Not only does it give the boxer a breather but it drains your opponent of energy as they have to bare their weight. Fury tried doing it to Ngannou but Francis was too heavy/strong and it backfired. Tyson will 100% use this against Usyk given he's the taller and heavier man, but I expect Tyson will play dirty in other ways like low blows and elbows, especially if it's clear he is losing.  

His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost  lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?

Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?

He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.

I speculate that Tyson Fury did not go through his normal training routine against Francis Ngannou because he underestimated Francis. If he did this, we can be quite certain that Tyson Fury would have given Francis a knockout very much similar to Anthony Joshua.

On Tyson Fury's yo-yo and struggle. This is the most important fight of Tyson Fury's career, I reckon. He will be in the best muscular form for a fat boxer in his age. He might not be very muscular, however, he will also not be fat and slow for this fight.

[hilariousetc]

One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.

And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.

To be fair that's a common tactic in boxing. Not only does it give the boxer a breather but it drains your opponent of energy as they have to bare their weight. Fury tried doing it to Ngannou but Francis was too heavy/strong and it backfired. Tyson will 100% use this against Usyk given he's the taller and heavier man, but I expect Tyson will play dirty in other ways like low blows and elbows, especially if it's clear he is losing.  

His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost  lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?

Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?

He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.

I speculate that Tyson Fury did not go through his normal training routine against Francis Ngannou because he underestimated Francis. If he did this, we can be quite certain that Tyson Fury would have given Francis a knockout very much similar to Anthony Joshua.

On Tyson Fury's yo-yo and struggle. This is the most important fight of Tyson Fury's career, I reckon. He will be in the best muscular form for a fat boxer in his age. He might not be very muscular, however, he will also not be fat and slow for this fight.

He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.

There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.

[pawel7777]

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He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.

Does he lie a lot though? I always considered Fury to be one of the most honest in the boxing world and speaking his mind. The fact that he wasn't making any excuses after the Ngannou fight somewhat proves that.

There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.

This is bizarre, I'm getting much more feeds about Bivol Vs Beterbiev fight, which is also great, but it's not happening until 1 June, whereas Fury Vs Usyk is only 2 weeks away.
It really looks like they exhausted all the marketing budget before the original fight date, although I don't recall seeing any massive promo back them either.

Anyhow, originally I thought it'll be an easy fight for Fury, simply because of the reach/height advantage, but now I'm having second thoughts about it, given Fury's poor performance in Ngannou fight, as well as that he got knocked-down few times in the Wilder trilogy.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Usyk has ever got knocked-down or really struggled in a fight in his professional career (he did have some troubles against Beterbiev during their Olympic fight though, but still managed to win).
Also, I was sure Usyk is only around 180cm tall (~6.0ft) but apparently he's 190-191cm (~6.3ft) according to the internet, but think a lot of the height metrics are wrong or based on self reported data etc, so not very believable.

[JollyGood]

Regardless of the number of judges they have at ringside when the fight eventually takes place, what are the chances of there being a huge row if the fight were to go the distance? We all already know in that scenario the blame of the outcome will be put on the judges because the result will inevitably be contested and will be a controversial one.

For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.

There are rematch clauses involved therefore Fury and Usyk are expected to have a minimum of two fights and probably a maximum of three and it would be better for there to be a winner in each fight before the judges scorecard is involved.

I think the first proposed change was going to be 5 judges. First I've heard of six which does seem far too many. What's going to happen when the scorecards are all widely different. I do think the with the current three it does lead to far too many issues. Plenty of times the judges are split and often go against what the viewers thought.

[EarnOnVictor]

I just voted for Usyk and my preferences are based on personal sentiment and unbiased speculation. It was personal due to the fact that I do not like Fury, oh yes, I dislike a lousy mouth and an arrogant person. And as we all know, Usyk despite possessing all the qualities and belts he has, is a humble person, which is why I naturally support him.

For the second part which is based on true speculation, well, by virtue of the fight between Anthony Joshua and Usyk where the latter beat him twice and Anthony Joshua easily beat Francis Ngannou which was difficult for Fury to beat means a whole lot. If we do the arithmetic, we should know that the odds still support Usyk in this regard even though it's not the only factor that will determine this fight, nevertheless, it still counts so much.

[pawel7777]

Regardless of the number of judges they have at ringside when the fight eventually takes place, what are the chances of there being a huge row if the fight were to go the distance? We all already know in that scenario the blame of the outcome will be put on the judges because the result will inevitably be contested and will be a controversial one.

For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.

Don't they have the rematch clause in the contract? I'm not 100% sure, but think I've read it somewhere.
If so, the controversial decision would be the best thing that could happen from the promoters perspective, as the rematch would hype-up itself.

It's fair to say that if it goes to the judges, then Usyk would come on the top as he's technically much better. Fury will have to search for a KO or score a knock down or two.

Not sure if this has already been posted in this thread, but here's a face to face interview between both of them (from few months back) where Fury looks more mentally dominating (to no surprise):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8elBzTOBXY

[btc_angela]

Regardless of the number of judges they have at ringside when the fight eventually takes place, what are the chances of there being a huge row if the fight were to go the distance? We all already know in that scenario the blame of the outcome will be put on the judges because the result will inevitably be contested and will be a controversial one.

For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.

Don't they have the rematch clause in the contract? I'm not 100% sure, but think I've read it somewhere.
If so, the controversial decision would be the best thing that could happen from the promoters perspective, as the rematch would hype-up itself.

It's fair to say that if it goes to the judges, then Usyk would come on the top as he's technically much better. Fury will have to search for a KO or score a knock down or two.

Not sure if this has already been posted in this thread, but here's a face to face interview between both of them (from few months back) where Fury looks more mentally dominating (to no surprise):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8elBzTOBXY

Yes, there is a rematch clause between the two, however, there is a teaser from Saudi's powerful boxer broker, HE Turki Alalshikh that maybe they could bypass the rematch and then we will see the winner fighting Anthony Joshua,



https://twitter.com/Turki_alalshikh/status/1780336190958215638

Although Usyk has beaten Joshua twice already, the fight that we wanted to see is Fury vs Joshua for All-British unification fight.

[JollyGood]

I am unsure about this because by far too many neutrals and sports commentators were certain Fury did beat Wilder in their first fight even though the judges awarded it as a draw. As good as a technically gifted boxer Usyk undoubtedly is, I honestly believe if the best version of Fury fought the best version of Usyk, then Fury would win the fight.

I would also be sure that if the best versions of Fury and Usyk turned up for the fight, neither would win by a KO and the chances of either winning by TKO would almost zero therefore it would have to go to the judges scorecard.

It's fair to say that if it goes to the judges, then Usyk would come on the top as he's technically much better. Fury will have to search for a KO or score a knock down or two.

[Kemarit]

(...)
He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.

Does he lie a lot though? I always considered Fury to be one of the most honest in the boxing world and speaking his mind. The fact that he wasn't making any excuses after the Ngannou fight somewhat proves that.

Excuses are only for those who losses the fight, and obviously he still emerge victories with the help of the judges. And he might have said that right after the fight and we don't know behind close doors if he is trying very hard for Francis or no.

But here he shouldn't underestimate Usyk, he knows what's at stake in this fight. He should come in here in the best shape of his fighting career. Otherwise, if he is caught sleeping again like in the Ngannou fight, Usyk will take advantage of it and going to dominate him.

[inthelongrun]

I just voted for Usyk and my preferences are based on personal sentiment and unbiased speculation. It was personal due to the fact that I do not like Fury, oh yes, I dislike a lousy mouth and an arrogant person. And as we all know, Usyk despite possessing all the qualities and belts he has, is a humble person, which is why I naturally support him.

For the second part which is based on true speculation, well, by virtue of the fight between Anthony Joshua and Usyk where the latter beat him twice and Anthony Joshua easily beat Francis Ngannou which was difficult for Fury to beat means a whole lot. If we do the arithmetic, we should know that the odds still support Usyk in this regard even though it's not the only factor that will determine this fight, nevertheless, it still counts so much.

I also naturally like fighters that are humble and respectful but I cannot deny that trash talkers are making events more colorful and exciting. What I don't like on Fury though is when he ducked fights like his rematch with Wlad and avoided Usyk for over a year now.

Styles make fights. Ngannou was not respected by Fury and it nearly cost him that fight. Whereas AJ is rebuilding and is showing determination to be back to his old form. So he never gave Ngannou the chance to be comfortable in that fight.

This is going to be an interesting fight. I am rooting for an Usyk win. But given the extra time Fury had, he will come up more prepared or he might even risk of cancelling the fight again if he is not performing well in his camp especially on his sparring sessions.

[bbc.reporter]

One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.

And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.

To be fair that's a common tactic in boxing. Not only does it give the boxer a breather but it drains your opponent of energy as they have to bare their weight. Fury tried doing it to Ngannou but Francis was too heavy/strong and it backfired. Tyson will 100% use this against Usyk given he's the taller and heavier man, but I expect Tyson will play dirty in other ways like low blows and elbows, especially if it's clear he is losing.  

His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost  lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?

Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?

He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.

I speculate that Tyson Fury did not go through his normal training routine against Francis Ngannou because he underestimated Francis. If he did this, we can be quite certain that Tyson Fury would have given Francis a knockout very much similar to Anthony Joshua.

On Tyson Fury's yo-yo and struggle. This is the most important fight of Tyson Fury's career, I reckon. He will be in the best muscular form for a fat boxer in his age. He might not be very muscular, however, he will also not be fat and slow for this fight.

He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.

There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.

However not as good as he was after what we have witnessed on his fight against Francis Ngannou? Ngannou cannot be the person that will erase all of his victories against all of his opponents who are real boxers, would it not?

On what is the litmus test, we have witnessed this already against Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder, I reckon. Those victories have proven that he has passed the test. This fight against Usyk will be proof that he might be a heavyweight goat if he wins. Also, if Fury wins, I predict his next opponent will be Anthony Joshua.

[FinneysTrueVision]

There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.

This has dragged on for so long that it has killed most of the hype. We originally thought they were going to fight in 2022, only for them to go in separate directions over disagreements about how much money they each thought they deserved. The Saudis then came in and were able to meet their financial demands but a poor performance against Ngannou and a sparring injury delayed it further. Usyk also didn’t leave the best impression in his previous fight, where he managed to survive due to some dubious refereeing.

[Dave1]

There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.

This has dragged on for so long that it has killed most of the hype. We originally thought they were going to fight in 2022, only for them to go in separate directions over disagreements about how much money they each thought they deserved. The Saudis then came in and were able to meet their financial demands but a poor performance against Ngannou and a sparring injury delayed it further. Usyk also didn’t leave the best impression in his previous fight, where he managed to survive due to some dubious refereeing.

Yes, they didn't capitalized on the hype, just like when there was also talks of AJ vs Wilder 2018 era if I'm not mistaken when both are still undefeated. They could have earn huge amount but they waited and waited to build that hype until AJ was upset by Ruiz.

And we are probably in the Ryan Garcia hype still as we are talking about a supposedly failed drug test by Ryan.

So boxing fans around the world might have forgotten about this fight and it might only gain traction in the last week of the fight itself.

[JollyGood]

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[bbc.reporter]

There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.

This has dragged on for so long that it has killed most of the hype. We originally thought they were going to fight in 2022, only for them to go in separate directions over disagreements about how much money they each thought they deserved. The Saudis then came in and were able to meet their financial demands but a poor performance against Ngannou and a sparring injury delayed it further. Usyk also didn’t leave the best impression in his previous fight, where he managed to survive due to some dubious refereeing.

Agreed. This might be because Tyson Fury might want to lose more weight, however, he cannot stop eating his junkfood and cannot stop drinking beer hehehe. Might this also he because of the use of steroids? I reckon some athletes need more time to make it untraceable from urine and blood samples because of their slower metabolism. It certainly appears that Fury has a slow metabolism hehehehe.

[hilariousetc]

They have finally started the promo at least Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk Official Documentary: The Ring of Fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJVW62rC470

(...)
He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.

Does he lie a lot though? I always considered Fury to be one of the most honest in the boxing world and speaking his mind. The fact that he wasn't making any excuses after the Ngannou fight somewhat proves that.

Tyson lies more than he tells the truth. Usually if he says something I tend to believe the opposite. Just google Tyson Fury lies and you'll see an awful lot.

https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/tyson-fury-boxing-lies-interview-20221110

One of the more recent ones was him lying about him starting camp already and that Sugar Hill had flown over that day to start training him. He hadn't. He'd flown over to train another fighter and was just taking advantage of that fact to make out like he was in camp already when he wasn't: https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/11z0ju6/sugarhill_steward_confirmed_to_boxingkingmedia_he/

Regardless of the number of judges they have at ringside when the fight eventually takes place, what are the chances of there being a huge row if the fight were to go the distance? We all already know in that scenario the blame of the outcome will be put on the judges because the result will inevitably be contested and will be a controversial one.

For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.

There are rematch clauses involved therefore Fury and Usyk are expected to have a minimum of two fights and probably a maximum of three and it would be better for there to be a winner in each fight before the judges scorecard is involved.

I agree, but I think it probably will go the distance. Usyk doesn't knock many people out and Tyson doesn't get knocked down easily (though lets ignore that last fight  ). I also don't have much faith in the judges. The Saudi's seem to be quite biased towards Fury so I hope Usyk gets a fair shot and their relationship with Fury doesn't cloud their judgement. If it's close I can see a draw especially since it's a two fight deal but if Usyk is dominating and Fury wins or it's a draw there will be outrage.

[JollyGood]

This has all the signs of being a very close fight because of the excellent records both boxers accumulated over the years. I really hope it plays out in a very entertaining way.

There should be enough adrenalin flowing through their veins to ensure neither gets knocked out even one or both gets knocked down for a less than 10 seconds if they get caught out by a surprise punch. I think most commentators and analysts as well as the ordinary person probably thinks this will go the distance.

I agree, but I think it probably will go the distance. Usyk doesn't knock many people out and Tyson doesn't get knocked down easily (though lets ignore that last fight  ). I also don't have much faith in the judges. The Saudi's seem to be quite biased towards Fury so I hope Usyk gets a fair shot and their relationship with Fury doesn't cloud their judgement. If it's close I can see a draw especially since it's a two fight deal but if Usyk is dominating and Fury wins or it's a draw there will be outrage.

[hilariousetc]

I thought this Usyk's message to Tyson was pretty funny: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LvBGCEHnUdM

Did Usyk get in Tyson's head with that or was Fury just confused?  .

This has all the signs of being a very close fight because of the excellent records both boxers accumulated over the years. I really hope it plays out in a very entertaining way.

There should be enough adrenalin flowing through their veins to ensure neither gets knocked out even one or both gets knocked down for a less than 10 seconds if they get caught out by a surprise punch. I think most commentators and analysts as well as the ordinary person probably thinks this will go the distance.

I agree, but I think it probably will go the distance. Usyk doesn't knock many people out and Tyson doesn't get knocked down easily (though lets ignore that last fight  ). I also don't have much faith in the judges. The Saudi's seem to be quite biased towards Fury so I hope Usyk gets a fair shot and their relationship with Fury doesn't cloud their judgement. If it's close I can see a draw especially since it's a two fight deal but if Usyk is dominating and Fury wins or it's a draw there will be outrage.

It's hard to predict for sure, which on paper should make the fight more exciting, I just hope it isn't boring. I think Uysk will give a boxing masterclass which can either be exciting or dull. Fury has the potential to KO him but he'd need to be the first to do so. Tyson could play dirty if he gets frustrated which will add some spice to the fight.

[Rruchi man]

They have finally started the promo at least Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk Official Documentary: The Ring of Fire:

There is a lot of hype, and as I saw online, the Swiss luxury Jacob & Co. watch brand made a very beautiful piece for this big fight.


see very beautiful video here of this wristwatch: https://www.instagram.com/p/C6wE-cKOkNh/?igsh=MTl0OGk0NWJjam52eA==

I still do not have a favorite for the fight, I will choose before that day.

[hilariousetc]

Only a week to go now. Just saw there's some events announced on Dazn schedule:

Tuesday 14th Grand Arrivals: https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/5hk4br58lvbctme995e85p7qq
Wednesday 15th Open Workouts: https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/7hab40wcmxj4vp3z8qxpcpr4l
Thursday 16th Press Conference:  https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/5jbjkttm7atng2wqn4zq0kpvj
Friday 17th Weigh in: https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/51z03iktxjyqf7g3v00q4m8yo

And the 18th is obviously the fight. They've definitely left it late to promote this but at least it looks like it'll be a busy week starting Tuesday. I think all of the above apart from the fight obviously will be live to stream on the Dazn youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@DAZNBoxing

[JollyGood]

It's hard to predict for sure, which on paper should make the fight more exciting, I just hope it isn't boring. I think Uysk will give a boxing masterclass which can either be exciting or dull. Fury has the potential to KO him but he'd need to be the first to do so. Tyson could play dirty if he gets frustrated which will add some spice to the fight.

It cannot be denied, this fight should be an exciting blockbuster that should go down in history for all the right reasons BUT we have seen far too many boxing fights that have turned out as total disappointments. If Fury and Usyk start the fight with too much caution, it could take away the entertaining factor.

This is a heavyweight unification fight, the first since 1999 therefore everybody is hoping for a memorable money in history.

I still do not have a favorite for the fight, I will choose before that day.

When you look at the phenomenal boxing record of both Fury and Usyk, you have to simply respect them for what they have achieved. Usyk stepped up as an unbeaten unified cruiserweight champion to heavyweight champion.

If Usyk wins, he will be the first champion in history that unified both the cruiserweight and heavyweight titles and did it by winning all of his fights. He had an impressive 16-0-0 record at cruiserweight and now a 5-0-0 at heavyweight record including winning the WBA, IBF, WBO, and IBO heavyweight titles against Joshua in just his 3rd heavyweight fight. He has an overall 21-0-0 record (including 14 KO and 7 on the judges scorecard).

If Fury wins, he did it the hard way by overcoming adversity including serious mental health issues. His first professional fight was in 2008 but when he beat W Klitchko to win the n WBA, IBF, WBO, IBO, and The Ring heavyweight titles in November 2015 he suffered mental and physical health issues and did not fight again until June 2018. His overall record stands at 35-0-1 (the only draw being the disputed result against Wilder in the first fight of their trilogy). He won 24 by KO and 10 on the judges scorecard.

It is very difficult to pick a winner.

[hilariousetc]

The "Grand Arrivals" part of promo is now streaming live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcaNEk1TVuE

They're just going through the undercard one by one so far.

John Fury disgustingly headbutted a young lad in Usyk's camp yesterday completely unprovoked:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S1e3wl3gs2w
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8QbzZsancX4

The Saudi's should grow some balls and send him home. He wouldn't have done that in the UK or he'd be straight back to prison.

[pawel7777]

(...)
John Fury disgustingly headbutted a young lad in Usyk's camp yesterday completely unprovoked:
(...)
The Saudi's should grow some balls and send him home. He wouldn't have done that in the UK or he'd be straight back to prison.

It was a cheap move by the old man, it didn't seem like there was any real provocation, other than Usyk's team chanting his name.
You'd expect a little bit more restraint and self-control from a man of his age, instead he acted as an overly emotional teenager. Sucker headbutting non-aggressive and much smaller guy won't bring him any glory, not to mention that he seemed to suffer more damage than the Ukrainian lad, who btw gave an interview later on and wasn't too bothered by the situation.
I don't think Saudis would take any action, given the guy who got headbutted is unlikely to report it.

[JollyGood]

John Fury disgustingly headbutted a young lad in Usyk's camp yesterday completely unprovoked

John Fury clearly overstepped the mark when he headbutted a member of the Usyk team.We all know this was not the first time he has been an absolute attention-seeker but what happened on this occasion was basically on a completely different level to the usual banter, taunting and occasional pushing that takes place between two parties.

What he did was unacceptable and definitely he should receive an appropriate punishment for it because it should have been considered an assault and he should have been arrested/questioned at the time.

The Saudi's should grow some balls and send him home. He wouldn't have done that in the UK or he'd be straight back to prison.

Whether he gets sent back to the UK or not, Usyk released a statement about the headbutting incident giving him even more reason to win the fight. It is starting to look as though the time for jokes is over and this is finally getting serious.

[btc_angela]

^^ I do agree, this is not acceptable action by the Fury's here, he is making a mockery of boxing, if they want to do like this in promotion then they should be fighting in exhibitions matches not pro-boxing. And for sure, some fans are really disappointed and obviously wanting to see Fury getting smack by Usyk.

Speaking of head-butt,



https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1790448887674618262

[JollyGood]

Most of the time, Bellew does speak a lot of sense and that tweet was interesting.

He made it clear before the first Usyk vs Joshua fight that Usyk would win and he was confident about it after he himself was beaten by Usyk when they met as cruiserweights. Bellew suffered a knockout in round 8 and was on his way to winning the fight because he was ahead on the judges scorecards, that was until the end of the 6th round when he received powerful shots from Usyk before the bell.

After that, Usyk took over the fight and ended up winning but Bellew knew he was up against a technical genius in Usyk that was why he knew he would beat Joshua (twice) and he believes it will be close between Fury and Usyk but according to him Usyk will win.

[TopTort777]

This is not the first time John Fury cant control his anger. Remember how furious he was when his other kid fought Jake Paul ? Or the time he attacked glass at at Tommy Fury vs KSI ? He has serious problems with anger management. It is commendable when parent protect their kids against any thread, but this time, both of his kids can take care of themselves He looks like a crazy angry drunk to me.

Have you seen Fury on crutches in the lobby in few days before the fight? What is this? A new soil for excuse ?

[JollyGood]

No matter how much he tried to pass it off as a joke/banter, I think Tyson Fury must be embarrassed by what his father John Fury did.

I am glad we are now just three days away from the fight. First they could not agree terms. Then, they agreed to fight but Fury got injured. Now they are actually getting in the ring for this anticipated history making fight and they have a two-fight clause therefore you have to expect they will challenge each other at least twice.

Back to the fight itself, if it ends in a draw clearly there will be a rematch. Also, if there is a winner, the loser will definitely trigger the rematch. The fight record of both Fury and Usyk makes this a really intriguing fight:

[Yaunfitda]

It is just me or Fury looks slim in this fight? Or maybe he just shave his beard that's why he look slim? But I agree with @ JollyGood, this is just an embarrassed and the Fury looks the villain here and they are the street thugs and then Usyk and his flag becoming the hero. Most of the time this kind of antics could really backfire on some boxers as they go out of the box just to promote the fight. It's one thing to trash talk the other camp to hype and promote it, but physically assaulting a part of the other team is not good in the eyes of most boxing fans, specially the high level of this fight.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Not long now, really looking forward to this. Can Tyson Fury back up his loud mouth or will Usyk be crowned the greatest heavyweight in the world.

I really don’t know what to think about this one. As a British guy I should want Fury to win but part of me is rooting for Usyk. I love his attitude and fighting style against mostly bigger men. He is small for a heavyweight but he more than makes up for it. The way he dismantled Anthony Joshua twice was impressive.

[pawel7777]

It is just me or Fury looks slim in this fight? Or maybe he just shave his beard that's why he look slim? But I agree with @ JollyGood, this is just an embarrassed and the Fury looks the villain here and they are the street thugs and then Usyk and his flag becoming the hero. Most of the time this kind of antics could really backfire on some boxers as they go out of the box just to promote the fight. It's one thing to trash talk the other camp to hype and promote it, but physically assaulting a part of the other team is not good in the eyes of most boxing fans, specially the high level of this fight.

Yeah, he looks kind of smaller than usual, and not sure if it's a good thing or not. On the one hand, massive size advantage could work in his favour, on the other, losing extra pounds means he should be much faster while still having the reach advantage. But Usyk will be superior when it comes to technique and speed anyway, so getting too slim could not be a great idea for Tyson.

As for John, I think there's a massive overreaction to what he did. He made a mistake and apologised, so not much more to discuss. Have we really got so feminised and domesticated that we're going to freak out over a little unplanned violence?

[JollyGood]

It is just me or Fury looks slim in this fight? Or maybe he just shave his beard that's why he look slim?

Tyson Fury definitely looks trim in his training photos that were released recently and he looked both focused and determined but if he stands any chance to beat a fully fit Usyk he will have to be at his 100% best because nothing else will do. Also, I think the same applies to Usyk too because if he stands any chance of beating a fully fit Fury he will have to be at his 100% best.

If both are 100% at their best it might have to be settled by the scorecard judges.

Not long now, really looking forward to this. Can Tyson Fury back up his loud mouth or will Usyk be crowned the greatest heavyweight in the world.

I really don’t know what to think about this one. As a British guy I should want Fury to win but part of me is rooting for Usyk. I love his attitude and fighting style against mostly bigger men. He is small for a heavyweight but he more than makes up for it. The way he dismantled Anthony Joshua twice was impressive.

Without a doubt Usyk taught Joshua a boxing lesson by showing him how technically superior he was when he defeated him twice. The problem (if it can be called that) for Usyk is he is now 37 whereas Fury is 35 and that might play a part when they enter the ring.

[TopTort777]

The problem (if it can be called that) for Usyk is he is now 37 whereas Fury is 35 and that might play a part when they enter the ring.

I think that does not work for heavyweights. It is in more light division age matter a lot, since you lose in speed. When heavyweights rely more on he power. They do not throw thousands of strikes during the fight. I might say, that heavyweights are like wine, with time they only get better. Undoubtedly age matter, but for example Holyfield fought till 49 yo and won some belts when being 40+.

[Yaunfitda]

It is just me or Fury looks slim in this fight? Or maybe he just shave his beard that's why he look slim?

Tyson Fury definitely looks trim in his training photos that were released recently and he looked both focused and determined but if he stands any chance to beat a fully fit Usyk he will have to be at his 100% best because nothing else will do. Also, I think the same applies to Usyk too because if he stands any chance of beating a fully fit Fury he will have to be at his 100% best.

If both are 100% at their best it might have to be settled by the scorecard judges.

Ok thanks, I thought I was the only who noticed how his face is somewhat very thin as compare to his fight with Ngannou. Maybe he lost some weight in this fight so that he can go and bounce and use his legs more for movement to counter Usyk. And with them, we shouldn't expect that much of a hugging from Fury and uses that strategy of putting all his weight on his opponents to tire them up. Fury is still the favorite in this fight, but it's just a very slim at 1.7x as compare to Usyk's, 1.90. I do agree, Usyk should be very well prepared in this fight at 100% not just physically, but mentally as well as Fury is know to uses psyche war before the fight, like trash talking and what his father did.

[JollyGood]

I think that does not work for heavyweights. It is in more light division age matter a lot, since you lose in speed. When heavyweights rely more on he power. They do not throw thousands of strikes during the fight. I might say, that heavyweights are like wine, with time they only get better. Undoubtedly age matter, but for example Holyfield fought till 49 yo and won some belts when being 40+.

Well there was Holyfield as you mentioned and also there was one of the greatest boxers that also made a comeback and reigned for a long time too, it was George Foreman. Maybe the age factor will be irrelevant when Fury and Usyk meet in the ring.

I do agree, Usyk should be very well prepared in this fight at 100% not just physically, but mentally as well as Fury is know to uses psyche war before the fight, like trash talking and what his father did.

It was interesting to see the way Usyk reacted after the headbutting incident on a member of his team. He was literally focused on nothing except the fight and he does not like to get involved with trash-talking or creating a scene to attract attention on himself. I think both boxers are way beyond the psychological game stage, they just want to get in the ring and try to win.

[hilariousetc]

Both the open workouts and the press conference today were pretty boring. Tyson choose not to even look at Usyk during the face off today. Not sure why as that's usually seen as sign of weakness.

It is just me or Fury looks slim in this fight? Or maybe he just shave his beard that's why he look slim?

Tyson Fury definitely looks trim in his training photos that were released recently and he looked both focused and determined but if he stands any chance to beat a fully fit Usyk he will have to be at his 100% best because nothing else will do. Also, I think the same applies to Usyk too because if he stands any chance of beating a fully fit Fury he will have to be at his 100% best.

If both are 100% at their best it might have to be settled by the scorecard judges.

He's lost a lot of weight for sure, but I don't know whether that's the right plan for him. He should try use that extra weight to his advantage by weighing down Usyk in the clinch, unless he's burnt it off doing cardio trying to get his stamina up which he will need as Usyk can go the full distance with ease and even ups the pace throwing more punches in the last rounds.

It was interesting to see the way Usyk reacted after the headbutting incident on a member of his team. He was literally focused on nothing except the fight and he does not like to get involved with trash-talking or creating a scene to attract attention on himself. I think both boxers are way beyond the psychological game stage, they just want to get in the ring and try to win.

Uysk and his team are consummate professionals and they do not react to all the shenanigans. Tyson now knows he can't get in Usyk's head so he's changed up his gameplan. He's also started hyping him up saying he going to be his hardest opponent and how much he respects him, but I only think he's saying this stuff cos if he loses it looks bad on him.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Both the open workouts and the press conference today were pretty boring. Tyson choose not to even look at Usyk during the face off today. Not sure why as that's usually seen as sign of weakness.

It is just me or Fury looks slim in this fight? Or maybe he just shave his beard that's why he look slim?

Tyson Fury definitely looks trim in his training photos that were released recently and he looked both focused and determined but if he stands any chance to beat a fully fit Usyk he will have to be at his 100% best because nothing else will do. Also, I think the same applies to Usyk too because if he stands any chance of beating a fully fit Fury he will have to be at his 100% best.

If both are 100% at their best it might have to be settled by the scorecard judges.

He's lost a lot of weight for sure, but I don't know whether that's the right plan for him. He should try use that extra weight to his advantage by weighing down Usyk in the clinch, unless he's burnt it off doing cardio trying to get his stamina up which he will need as Usyk can go the full distance with ease and even ups the pace throwing more punches in the last rounds.

It was interesting to see the way Usyk reacted after the headbutting incident on a member of his team. He was literally focused on nothing except the fight and he does not like to get involved with trash-talking or creating a scene to attract attention on himself. I think both boxers are way beyond the psychological game stage, they just want to get in the ring and try to win.

Uysk and his team are consummate professionals and they do not react to all the shenanigans. Tyson now knows he can't get in Usyk's head so he's changed up his gameplan. He's also started hyping him up saying he going to be his hardest opponent and how much he respects him, but I only think he's saying this stuff cos if he loses it looks bad on him.

Perhaps though Tyson Fury that there might not be any clinch at all as Usyk is going to expect it. So he goes light try to used his feet more against a agile boxer, but it could backfire on him as obviously Usyk has more movement.

Or their plan will go to box Usyk and uses Fury's length and jab and hope that he can land that one big punch and then see how Usyk will react or how his chin is going to hold up against Fury's power if he landed that flush on the chin. And with that, I'm expecting more feints by Fury to see how Usyk will react.

[TopTort777]

I can not say that I a huge boxing expert, but I notice that Usyks weak spot are body shots. Dubois landed a clear shot (imho it was clean), Briedis gave him a hard fight with body punches when he was in cruiserweight, and in amateur career Beterbiev found that weak spot also. But Fury, as a really huge guy and heavy hitter, going to cause lots of troubles if he even land a punch to the block. Usyks feature is landing lots of punches, long combos and a win by points. Amazingly, but Fury can do the same and in high tempo. I expect Fury to win by TKO.

P.S. However, I notice in media, that they already agreed for a rematch. Does it means the fight will be fixed and we get a draw ?

[Inwestour]

I can not say that I a huge boxing expert, but I notice that Usyks weak spot are body shots. Dubois landed a clear shot (imho it was clean), Briedis gave him a hard fight with body punches when he was in cruiserweight, and in amateur career Beterbiev found that weak spot also. But Fury, as a really huge guy and heavy hitter, going to cause lots of troubles if he even land a punch to the block. Usyks feature is landing lots of punches, long combos and a win by points. Amazingly, but Fury can do the same and in high tempo. I expect Fury to win by TKO.

P.S. However, I notice in media, that they already agreed for a rematch. Does it means the fight will be fixed and we get a draw ?

It's simple, they agreed on a rematch because they know whoever wins this fight, the rematch will bring even more money. 

Usik's advantage is that he is faster, but Fury has very strong punches, so Usik will dodge and wear Fury out, and if he does it well, Fury will not be able to knock him out. But I doubt that Usyk is strong enough to knock out Fury, so maybe we’ll see a draw.

Fury's last fight with Ngannou showed that Fury was not in very good shape at that time, let's see how he prepared for this fight. Usyk most likely won’t allow a scuffle with him, the fight will be measured and perhaps more cautious, but Fury loves dirty tricks, we’ll see.

[TopTort777]

On the press conference and stare downs I saw a totally different Fury. Obvious that he did not take Ngannou seriously. There were no belts on the line, so why push hard yourself when you get paid anyway. This time it is different. Whoever wins will get all the belts. Anyway, I expect Fury to land a lot of body shots, and in the second half of the fight Usyk will brake. On one hand it is circling around your opponent and spam punches, other thing is that your huge opponent is able to do the same. On the paper I dont see Usyks advantages. If this was Olympic boxing or amateur, when they win by points, Usyk would win. In profs, where damage matters, Fury wins.

[Rruchi man]

Fury's last fight with Ngannou showed that Fury was not in very good shape at that time, let's see how he prepared for this fight. Usyk most likely won’t allow a scuffle with him, the fight will be measured and perhaps more cautious, but Fury loves dirty tricks, we’ll see.

You can say that Fury was unprepared against Francis, but you cannot predict his performance in this fight based on that fight. Against Usyk, Fury will be well prepared, knowing that his opponent is not a first-time boxer and that the fight is a big chance to make history in one of the biggest rivalries. I like both fighters and still have not been able to settle on the one I like to win, so I will just be enjoying the fight because it will surely be entertaining.

Fury totally avoided the staredown during their last press conference, looking away from Usyk's eyes during the staredown. Fury said

"He's a scary looking dude,"

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He must have avoided eye contact to maintain the confidence he has in his abilities.

[Dave1]

I can not say that I a huge boxing expert, but I notice that Usyks weak spot are body shots. Dubois landed a clear shot (imho it was clean), Briedis gave him a hard fight with body punches when he was in cruiserweight, and in amateur career Beterbiev found that weak spot also. But Fury, as a really huge guy and heavy hitter, going to cause lots of troubles if he even land a punch to the block. Usyks feature is landing lots of punches, long combos and a win by points. Amazingly, but Fury can do the same and in high tempo. I expect Fury to win by TKO.

I think everyone is vulnerable to a body shot, specially if you are hit on that sweet spot. But there is a video of Dubois landing that questionable body shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssVX2FQdMiw

P.S. However, I notice in media, that they already agreed for a rematch. Does it means the fight will be fixed and we get a draw ?

Nah, a lot of pride in the line, I don't think that anyone will give someone inch of advantage and make the judges score it a draw. There will be someone to be declared a winner in this highly anticipated fight and for the unification in this division.

[JollyGood]

Two heavyweight champions at the weight-in was supposed to be seriousThe weight-in was hilarious, it has to be one of the funniest ones I have ever seen. At one point Fury decided to completely ignore Usyk instead of having a genuine face-off, it was really funny to watch.

While Fury was playing mind games, Usyk did not want to take his eyes away from Fury but Fury had other plans. When interviewed afterwards, Fury joked he did not look at Usyk because he was a "scary looking dude" 

All jokes aside, Usyk looks focused and believes he will win the fight tomorrow, just one look at him you can see he means business and he is determined. The same for Fury, he is playing the jokes and mind games but he looks confident he will win the fight, he also is just as determined. Not long to go now.

[Baofeng]

Two heavyweight champions at the weight-in was supposed to be seriousThe weight-in was hilarious, it has to be one of the funniest ones I have ever seen. At one point Fury decided to completely ignore Usyk instead of having a genuine face-off, it was really funny to watch.

While Fury was playing mind games, Usyk did not want to take his eyes away from Fury but Fury had other plans. When interviewed afterwards, Fury joked he did not look at Usyk because he was a "scary looking dude" 

All jokes aside, Usyk looks focused and believes he will win the fight tomorrow, just one look at him you can see he means business and he is determined. The same for Fury, he is playing the jokes and mind games but he looks confident he will win the fight, he also is just as determined. Not long to go now.

Right, when we have seen recently about fighters having a long stare-down of 3-4 minutes and I thought this will be the new trend obviously you wanted to look at your opponents eye and try to intimidate him somewhat and read what's on his mind.

Now comes this biggest fight in recent years in the heavyweight division, but Fury doesn't want to look at Usyk and just totally ignore him. But still though, Usyk goes to the motions, or maybe Fury is really scared and doesn't have the guts to look at Usyk eye to eye?

[JollyGood]

We do not know what the real reason was for Fury to totally ignore Usyk instead of staring at each other but I do not think it was because he was scared. If anything, Fury looked very relaxed and in some way was at ease with himself and I think that must have been his plan. Usyk also did not deviate from his plan, which was show Fury he was interested in the mind games.

It was refreshing to see a different style of face-off, if the fight turns out to be a total boring encounter at least we can look back on the face-off and laugh.

Right, when we have seen recently about fighters having a long stare-down of 3-4 minutes and I thought this will be the new trend obviously you wanted to look at your opponents eye and try to intimidate him somewhat and read what's on his mind.

Now comes this biggest fight in recent years in the heavyweight division, but Fury doesn't want to look at Usyk and just totally ignore him. But still though, Usyk goes to the motions, or maybe Fury is really scared and doesn't have the guts to look at Usyk eye to eye?

[Queentoshi]

Right, when we have seen recently about fighters having a long stare-down of 3-4 minutes and I thought this will be the new trend obviously you wanted to look at your opponents eye and try to intimidate him somewhat and read what's on his mind.

I have a question to ask the experts since I have been thinking of it since I saw the headline, How can the weight of the fighter affect his fight?

Tyson Fury's weight was reported as 262lbs while his Oleksandr Usyk weighed 233.5lbs which is less than Fury's weight. Does lighter weight make you a better boxer who will find it easier to move, or does light weight mean that punches have lesser power? I am a bit confused, help me understand.


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[Kemarit]

Right, when we have seen recently about fighters having a long stare-down of 3-4 minutes and I thought this will be the new trend obviously you wanted to look at your opponents eye and try to intimidate him somewhat and read what's on his mind.

I have a question to ask the experts since I have been thinking of it since I saw the headline, How can the weight of the fighter affect his fight?

Tyson Fury's weight was reported as 262lbs while his Oleksandr Usyk weighed 233.5lbs which is less than Fury's weight. Does lighter weight make you a better boxer who will find it easier to move, or does light weight mean that punches have lesser power? I am a bit confused, help me understand.


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I'm not a boxing expert but I will just throw my my sats here,

a. lighter fighter might have the advantage as far as movement goes, and Usyk might have a advantage as he can move around and get away from Fury's power. But also remember that Usyk is not a natural HW, is is just a blown up CW.

b. heavier boxer in his case Fury will have the more power obviously, and he can used his weight to sap all the energy of Usyk as he might try to muscle him up in the clinch. And additional weight might only means that he can take the power of Usyk and not be affected by it.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I have a question to ask the experts since I have been thinking of it since I saw the headline, How can the weight of the fighter affect his fight?

Tyson Fury's weight was reported as 262lbs while his Oleksandr Usyk weighed 233.5lbs which is less than Fury's weight. Does lighter weight make you a better boxer who will find it easier to move, or does light weight mean that punches have lesser power? I am a bit confused, help me understand.


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Having a weight advantage is definitely beneficial. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t see so many fighters try to negotiate a catchweight or a rehydration clause when they have to fight somebody who is bigger.

In Fury’s most notable wins, against Deontay Wilder, the weight difference played a key role in his victory. Instead of trying to outbox Wilder from the outside, Fury fought at a close distance and made it very physical fight. In the end, the second and third fights both resulted in Wilder being severely battered.

Fury’s ability to impose his size is why he was so heavily favored when this fight was initially announced. Those odds have narrowed considerably after Fury showed some signs of decline in his previous fight. In just a few hours we will know for sure if the big man is still capable of using his size advantage effectively or will Usyk be able to nullify it with speed and movement.

[bbc.reporter]

It appears that the Tyson Fury has taken his training more serious for this fight against Usyk. Did I see that there was abdominal muscles in Fury's midsection? Did these abdominal muscles appear when Fury fought Francis Ngannou? I reckon Fury appears to be more slimmer for this fight vs. Usyk than the fight against Ngannou hehehe. I predict this fight against Usyk will be a similar performance Tyson Fury has done against Wladimir Klitschko.

[pawel7777]

Many were quite surprised by Usyk steping on scale and showing almost 6kg (or 12.5 pounds) heavier than in his fights against Joshua or Dubois, but it turned out to be a mistake caused my miscommunication between the supervisor and Michael Buffer.
His actual weight was not 233.5 pounds (106kg) but 223 pounds (101kg).

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/usyk-weight-wrong-fury-weighin-b2547157.html

For comparison, Fury is 262 pounds (119kg), so heavier by 39 pounds (almost 18kg).

[EarnOnVictor]

It appears that the Tyson Fury has taken his training more serious for this fight against Usyk. Did I see that there was abdominal muscles in Fury's midsection? Did these abdominal muscles appear when Fury fought Francis Ngannou? I reckon Fury appears to be more slimmer for this fight vs. Usyk than the fight against Ngannou hehehe. I predict this fight against Usyk will be a similar performance Tyson Fury has done against Wladimir Klitschko.

Hahaha...abdominal muscles? Maybe he recently had an abdominal muscle surgery that is out of the media space...lol Frankly, your shape as a boxer doesn't determine your winning. Even the weight loss is relative in nature and not about the weight loss in all cases, it depends on the fight. It also depends on how you can use it to your advantage, especially to the disadvantage of your opponent if you can manage it well which should have been detected during training, it's a plus in this case.

But I will not neglect the fact that he would have made many adjustments having studied the previous fight of Usyk and a suggestion of weight loss might have been made. Yet, this doesn't necessarily mean a plus because some boxers can still use your weight loss against you if they know how to do so.

Regardless, the bout is finally today, many hours time though, another event that will take sleep off my eyes. It is a must-watch for me.

[JollyGood]

Usyk weighed in at 16st (224lb) and that is his heaviest ever. He probably needed the extra weight to counter the weight advantage Fury has.

Fury weighed in at 18st 7lb (262lb) and that was his lightest in four years but he is in very good physical condition and still much heavier that Usyk.

When Fury finally managed to be bothered to look at Usyk at the weigh-in it lasted around two seconds because he immediately pushed Usyk. They have to be separated but both were shouting at each other from a distance.

[pawel7777]

Usyk weighed in at 16st (224lb) and that is his heaviest ever. He probably needed the extra weight to counter the weight advantage Fury has.

Some media are reporting 223lb, some 223.5lb, I'm not sure if there has been an official correction announcement, but it's still not that much heavier than what we saw against AJ or Dubois. So we know what to expect from Usyk.

Fury weighed in at 18st 7lb (262lb) and that was his lightest in four years but he is in very good physical condition and still much heavier that Usyk.

I'm not 100% convinced that dropping that much weight is a good tactic, but I guess he and his team know better.
It's not like it'll make him faster than Usyk. Now he'll still be a bit slower, but will have less advantage of weight and power.

When Fury finally managed to be bothered to look at Usyk at the weigh-in it lasted around two seconds because he immediately pushed Usyk. They have to be separated but both were shouting at each other from a distance.

To me, it's pretty clear that Fury just wants to get in Usyk's head to shift the chance on his side a little bit. There's no other reason for him (or his father) to act that hostile, especially when he stated multiple times that he has nothing but respect for Oleksandr.

I think it's a 50/50 fight and that's what makes it more interesting.
I made a tiny bet on a draw just for a laugh.

[JollyGood]

Many people are giving their views about who they think the winner will be:

Who is backing Fury
Frank Warren
Lennox Lewis
Deontay Wilder
Mike Tyson
Naseem Hamed
Simon Jordan
Ricky Hatton

Who is backing Usyk
Anthony Joshua
Tony Bellew
Evander Holyfield
George Groves
Malik Scott

Who is undecided
Eddie Hearn
Frazer Clarke


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The fact Lennox Lewis, Deontay Wilder, Naseem Hamed and Mike Tyson have backed Fury to win is to be noted. It was not a surprise to see Joshua backing Usyk to win because he was comprehensively defeated by Usyk twice but when Bellew backed Usyk it was also to be noted.

This fight is too close to call but I am now edging towards Fury to win on a highly contentious points decision.

[Baofeng]

^^ I will go as well with Fury winning in a very close fight, a decision win could be UD or MD, 8-4 rounds for Fury.

Usyk might fade in the later rounds and then Fury taking over the championship rounds, and as per Stake, the odds for Fury is 1.79 and Usyk at 1.92. So it seems bettors are putting their money on Fury after the weigh-in as it was used to be 50/50 odds.

Fury by decision is 3.15, best of luck to all bettors!!!

[_act_]

I think the match is some hours to come. Fury has remain unbeatable and I read that Usyk has been unbeatable also but we all respect the more success of Fury. I would wish someone among them should become the winner of this coming match. If anyone among them would be the winner, I will say the unbeatable days of Fury is over as I guess that Usyk would be able to defeat him today. I go for Usyk.

[Queentoshi]

How can someone be 35 years old and have had 35 fights already winning 34, makes him a really dangerous fighter with Knockouts (24) even more than the career fight that his opponent Usyk has had (21). The statistics favor Fury more, and if Usky will win, then he is a very good fighter.

Having a weight advantage is definitely beneficial. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t see so many fighters try to negotiate a catchweight or a rehydration clause when they have to fight somebody who is bigger.

Since weight has an advantage, I think Fury will be the winner of the fight.

[Inwestour]

You can say that Fury was unprepared against Francis, but you cannot predict his performance in this fight based on that fight. Against Usyk, Fury will be well prepared, knowing that his opponent is not a first-time boxer and that the fight is a big chance to make history in one of the biggest rivalries. I like both fighters and still have not been able to settle on the one I like to win, so I will just be enjoying the fight because it will surely be entertaining.

Fury totally avoided the staredown during their last press conference, looking away from Usyk's eyes during the staredown. Fury said

"He's a scary looking dude,"

source

He must have avoided eye contact to maintain the confidence he has in his abilities.

I don't know, Fury is actually very cunning and that's why he manages to stay on top for so long. He fully lives up to his name, like a clever gypsy who always finds a way out of any situation.

In addition, he has a very strong punch and strong willpower, remember the fight with Wilder, when he got up every time. Now Wilder is not taken so seriously, because after the last fights you can see how bad his defense is, it was spectacular, but at the same time stupid.

Fury is a very, very experienced fighter, although he looked very bad in the fight with Ngannou, but this could served as a good tip for him, and he prepared more thoroughly for the fight with Usik. I think that he was dragging out this fight for a reason, waiting until he was completely physically ready to withstand all 12 rounds.

[JollyGood]

This fight is an historic event therefore it is understandable there will be some degree of interest in this thread but I am somewhat disappointed at the number of votes. With the number of pages in this thread and the number of posts made here, it is surprising that only 20 votes have been cast:

Fury - 14 (70%)
Usyk - 6  (30%)
Draw - 0 (0%)

Fury and Usyk have a two-fight and keeping that in mind I would not be surprised if there is a winner announced by the judges in their first meeting and then a draw announced in the second meeting.

[inthelongrun]

The winner of this fight will be stripped later of the IBF belt due to its failure to defend to its mandatory. IBF mandatory Filip Hrgovic will finally get the chance to win the belt against Daniel Dubois. So it means that the winner of the rematch between Usyk and Furywill not be undisputed anymore.

Usyk as always looked focused. He is giving up a lot of weight and reach so it will be very interesting how Usyk can solve this puzzle. I still think Usyk is faster with his hands and foot work. The referee plays a major role here and hopefully he won't allow Fury's dirty tactics.

Let's get ready to rumble!

[Rruchi man]

Let's get ready to rumble!

Fury started very well, but Usyk became turned on as the fight went on, and he was able to hurt Fury in the worst possible way. Never seen fury so hurt, he even did well to recover because those sets of punches could have knocked out any regular boxer.

Usyk becomes the new undisputed heavyweight champion of the world!!!

Very well deserved!

[FinneysTrueVision]

It wouldn’t be a Tyson Fury fight if he didn’t get badly hurt. He did manage to recover, like he often does, but this time around it wasn’t enough and this was the key to Usyk’s victory. Fury seemed to be in control of the fight up until that point, but Usyk maintained his discipline and was looking for any mistake he could take advantage of. Fury’s carelessness and his cockiness came back to bite him. Once Usyk hurt him, he never relented and swept the final rounds on my scorecard.

The fight will likely be remembered for Fury getting badly hurt, but it was a great fight with good moments for both fighters. There will probably be a rematch, which I expect will be very competitive as well. Fury still has exceptional talent but his resistance has deteriorated further. If he cannot win the rematch, it would be better for him to retire rather than continue to take damage.

[JollyGood]

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Full credit to both boxers.

In the end Fury survived that battering in round 9 and took the fight to 12 rounds but he could have stepped up to finish the fight when he had the chance. Instead he allowed Usyk back in to the fight. Similarly, it was Usyk that started the fight on top but Fury countered in round 3.

The way Fury dominated in round 4 reminded me of the Fury of old with arrogance as well as brilliance but overall, I honestly could not choose a winner at the end of round 12 because for me it was a draw.

Either way, what a fantastic way for both Fury and Usyk to make history.

[hilariousetc]

Great fight. I would give it something like 7/5 to Usyk. Fury did well to recover after the knockdown but he was saved by the ropes and the bell but won a couple of the later rounds. One of the judges giving it to Fury needs to be investigated. Even a draw would have been controversial. I'm looking forward to the rematch in October. Fury needs to go for broke in that. I thought Fury was taking the loss well until he said he thought he won and Usyk probably got some sympathy votes from the judges because of the war. Just say it was close but you were narrowly beaten by the better man and you'll look to avenge the loss in the rematch. He would have gained so many fans back if he said something like that.

Let's get ready to rumble!

Never seen fury so hurt, he even did well to recover because those sets of punches could have knocked out any regular boxer.

I think when Wilder knocked him down was a worse knockdown. Fury was spark out for a few seconds but came back from the dead.

[JollyGood]

Frank Warren has stated that Fury immediately wanted to activate the rematch clause and the fight will go ahead in October. That is right, as it currently stands Fury and Usyk will have to fight all over again. Going by the spectacle witnessed today, the rematch could go either way. If Fury wins, there will not be a new rematch clause inserted therefore if there were to be a trilogy it would have to be negotiated separately.

Congratulations to Usyk and well done to Fury for saying they will fight each other again after 5 months 

[OgNasty]

Frank Warren has stated that Fury immediately wanted to activate the rematch clause and the fight will go ahead in October. That is right, as it currently stands Fury and Usyk will have to fight all over again. Going by the spectacle witnessed today, the rematch could go either way. If Fury wins, there will not be a new rematch clause inserted therefore if there were to be a trilogy it would have to be negotiated separately.

Congratulations to Usyk and well done to Fury for saying they will fight each other again after 5 months 

Does anyone want to see this fight run back again? I don’t. I think Fury is done. Francis showed that he’s no goat and now he’s being thrown to the wolves. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t win another fight and retires. He’s only hurting his legacy from this point. I’m a little surprised the fight didn’t get called in the 9th round when it was clear Fury was out on his feet…

[FinneysTrueVision]

Great fight. I would give it something like 7/5 to Usyk. Fury did well to recover after the knockdown but he was saved by the ropes and the bell but won a couple of the later rounds. One of the judges giving it to Fury needs to be investigated. Even a draw would have been controversial. I'm looking forward to the rematch in October. Fury needs to go for broke in that. I thought Fury was taking the loss well until he said he thought he won and Usyk probably got some sympathy votes from the judges because of the war. Just say it was close but you were narrowly beaten by the better man and you'll look to avenge the loss in the rematch. He would have gained so many fans back if he said something like that.

A draw wasn’t out of the realm of possibility. People always feel like there needs to be a clear cut winner and that it should be in favor of their preferred fighter. There is always going to be a degree of subjectivity, and when they are so evenly matched there will never be 100% consensus. Watching it live, I scored it a draw, (6 rounds Fury, 5 rounds Usyk, 1 round even, and a knockdown in Usyk’s favor).

Fury didn’t need to bring up the military conflict in Ukraine, but anybody who loses a close decision would look for anything to grasp onto. There is definitely a strong pro-Ukranian bias from some in the boxing media, but this wasn’t why Fury lost a decision. He should instead reflect on his mistakes and how he can fix them. He might be declining, but he’s still capable of winning the rematch.

[OgNasty]

I just read that Drake had money on Tyson Fury to win this fight. How many gambling losses is that in a row for Drake now on big events? How much would you be up if you bet against Drake and let your winnings ride? Seems like maybe Drake is the Jim Cramer of gambling. Do the opposite of what he does and enjoy the ride.

[LogitechMouse]

Frank Warren has stated that Fury immediately wanted to activate the rematch clause and the fight will go ahead in October. That is right, as it currently stands Fury and Usyk will have to fight all over again. Going by the spectacle witnessed today, the rematch could go either way. If Fury wins, there will not be a new rematch clause inserted therefore if there were to be a trilogy it would have to be negotiated separately.

Congratulations to Usyk and well done to Fury for saying they will fight each other again after 5 months 

No surprise TBH.
The fact that it ended as a split decision despite him getting knocked down in the 9th round. Like you said, it's hard to pick who is the winner on this fight.

The feeling of you might've defended the belt, but you just got knocked down in the 9th round and got outboxed by a smaller fighter like Usyk. That's what Fury is feeling right now. A new trilogy opened for these 2 fighters indeed. A rematch is almost expected on this one, but Fury must win on their rematch or else, we are seeing a new king in the heavyweight division.

Congratulations to both fighters. For sure, fans loved this match that made history.

[bbc.reporter]

@LogitechMouse. I am not very optimistic on Tyson Fury's chance of having the victory on this immediate rematch on October. He was knocked down by Usyk who is smaller and who does not have much power on his punches? Also, why did Tyson stop the uppercuts to the body? It was beginning to disrupt Usyk on round 7! Yes, this result of this was quite a shock and also certainly a disappointment for the fans of Mike Tyson Fury!

[bittraffic]

@LogitechMouse. I am not very optimistic on Tyson Fury's chance of having the victory on this immediate rematch on October. He was knocked down by Usyk who is smaller and who does not have much power on his punches? Also, why did Tyson stop the uppercuts to the body? It was beginning to disrupt Usyk on round 7! Yes, this result of this was quite a shock and also certainly a disappointment for the fans of Mike Tyson Fury!

It will still be the same result in the rematch. Usyk clearly is the better fighter. Does anybody notice the ref counts too long in favor of Fury?

The knockdown should play a big part in the score but in the end, the score says the fight is close. This is all a shitshow and they wanna do it again and if they are doing this in Saudi again, they really are shameless.

[inthelongrun]

What a fight! But I noticed Usyk seemed disrespected and a lot are trying to save the more marketable fighter from losing. Usyk had 3 belts compared to Fury's 1 but he walked first and was also introduced first. But maybe they're one of Fury's dozens of demands just to make this undisputed fight. The referee saved Fury in round 9. And a judge had it 113-114 for Fury? It was a close fight but there was a clear winner. I had it 115-112 for Usyk as well.

So here is the compubox stats of the fight.


Power shots have more value than those jabs of course. And if we're going to score it based on the stats it is an easy 116-111 for Usyk. But Usyk does not have a huge fan base and is not a big PPV fighter which is why he needs to win fights convincingly when he is against fighters with huge economic value.

[Inwestour]

@LogitechMouse. I am not very optimistic on Tyson Fury's chance of having the victory on this immediate rematch on October. He was knocked down by Usyk who is smaller and who does not have much power on his punches? Also, why did Tyson stop the uppercuts to the body? It was beginning to disrupt Usyk on round 7! Yes, this result of this was quite a shock and also certainly a disappointment for the fans of Mike Tyson Fury!

Despite the fact that Usyk is shorter, his blow is strong enough, otherwise he would not have been able to decorate Fury like that in the 9th round. And when Fury started hitting the body in the 5th round, the result was immediately visible, how bad Usiki was in the next round. In general, Usik’s advantage was obvious, and in the ninth round the referee saved Fury from a knockout, it is unclear why he stopped the fight, everything could have ended earlier.

[bakasabo]

First thing I would like to say, that Usyk won that fight fair. There were no judges help, there were no political help. A true undisputed champion. I dont remember anyone holding all the belts recently. One thing I dont understand that why it is a win by split decision, but not a majority decision. I believe that maximum what Fury achieved was a draw. If there were no standing knockdown, then it might be a chance that one judge would be in Fury favor.

[Viscore]

First thing I would like to say, that Usyk won that fight fair. There were no judges help, there were no political help. A true undisputed champion. I dont remember anyone holding all the belts recently. One thing I dont understand that why it is a win by split decision, but not a majority decision. I believe that maximum what Fury achieved was a draw. If there were no standing knockdown, then it might be a chance that one judge would be in Fury favor.

Yes he couldn't make it if Fury was more careful and didn't allow that shot that hurt him and made him go knock down. That was a great fight in overall but Fury IMO deserve a rematch here. Take that knock down and Fury could have won the fight easily. Anyway, that happened and we have to respect the result, what I like about Fury is that he respected the result, he is a good sport unlike other boxers who claimed they won after not declaring them the winner.

[JollyGood]

A new trilogy opened for these 2 fighters indeed. A rematch is almost expected on this one, but Fury must win on their rematch or else, we are seeing a new king in the heavyweight division.

Before the fight there were two kings of the heavyweight division and now there is just one. Whether we agree with the judges scorecards or not we all have now already seen history being made. A trilogy is not needed, the rematch is enough to settle this.

If Fury or Usyk (or both) opt to retire before their rematch that is a decision they will consider after discussions with their team but the rematch will bring them even more money than the first fight.

Usyk had 3 belts compared to Fury's 1 but he walked first and was also introduced first. But maybe they're one of Fury's dozens of demands just to make this undisputed fight.

I do not think it was even a matter of demands. Fury held the WBC belt which historically is the belt that has the most value and historical association. It was never going to be debatable as to which boxer would walk in to the ring second.

[TopTort777]

Wtf happened in round 9 ? Why on earth that ref jumped between them and stop Usyk from TKOing Fury? I have noticed several time, that ref wanted to jump between them when Usyk was pushing forward and was about to make a series of punches. That ref interfered more than did something useful.

In conclusion - Fury went with one of his best forms, but still lose. I remember they have a rematch, then during it Usyk would TKO Fury for sure. First loss for Fury, knowing his mental problems, it definitely going to leave a mark and be advantage for Usyk in their next fight.

[Cryptmuster]

Wtf happened in round 9 ? Why on earth that ref jumped between them and stop Usyk from TKOing Fury? I have noticed several time, that ref wanted to jump between them when Usyk was pushing forward and was about to make a series of punches. That ref interfered more than did something useful.

In conclusion - Fury went with one of his best forms, but still lose. I remember they have a rematch, then during it Usyk would TKO Fury for sure. First loss for Fury, knowing his mental problems, it definitely going to leave a mark and be advantage for Usyk in their next fight.

When the referee stopped the fight in the 9th round, I was almost sure that he was stopping the fight, but it turned out to be some kind of crap. It’s good that in the end it didn’t help Fury and in the end there wasn’t any surprise, like a draw, although I wouldn’t be surprised by that. I think no one has any doubt that Usyk won this fight, the advantage was too obvious, I think Fury also agrees with this, but of course he had to say that he thinks that he won. He will want a rematch in any case, this is a lot of money that he cannot refuse.

[EarnOnVictor]

Wtf happened in round 9 ? Why on earth that ref jumped between them and stop Usyk from TKOing Fury? I have noticed several time, that ref wanted to jump between them when Usyk was pushing forward and was about to make a series of punches. That ref interfered more than did something useful.

In conclusion - Fury went with one of his best forms, but still lose. I remember they have a rematch, then during it Usyk would TKO Fury for sure. First loss for Fury, knowing his mental problems, it definitely going to leave a mark and be advantage for Usyk in their next fight.

When the referee stopped the fight in the 9th round, I was almost sure that he was stopping the fight, but it turned out to be some kind of crap. It’s good that in the end it didn’t help Fury and in the end there wasn’t any surprise, like a draw, although I wouldn’t be surprised by that. I think no one has any doubt that Usyk won this fight, the advantage was too obvious, I think Fury also agrees with this, but of course he had to say that he thinks that he won. He will want a rematch in any case, this is a lot of money that he cannot refuse.

Stand up for the champion! I knew how this match would end and I am so happy that it did not disappoint me. The two guys tried their best, but still, I realised that Usyk had studied carefully how to beat a giant like Fury coupled with his surviving spirit and strength. If the referee had not cautioned Usyk at some points, he would have collapsed Fury, if not knocked him out. I respect Usyk for his respect for the sport, he never got aggressive or tried to overdo but followed instructions and cautioned himself nicely, which is another herioc part of him. He understood the game and played well by the rules despite having some advantage to do some ugly things.

And yes, Fury has accepted that defeat and even thanked Usyk for a very good match. There could be a rematch though, but the Fury is ranting for now even as he was never coherent in his speech as usual claiming family, self and health. With time, we see how things unfold, but still, I believe he can't do better against Usyk, the guy will beat him again based on what I saw yesterday.

[JollyGood]

The referee did not jump in immediately and eventually had to do one of two things. Either he had to stop the fight to protect Fury and award the win to Usyk or he had to give a mandatory ten second count because Fury would have been on the floor if the ropes were not stopping him from falling.

During the part when Fury almost falling backwards I was expecting the referee to jump in to stop the fight. Full credit to the referee, he did not stop the fight until the point he awarded a knockdown to Usyk. It was when the referee decided Fury would have been on the canvas if the ropes were not holding him up therefore he intervened and counted a mandatory ten seconds.

Full credit to Usyk because he was about to unleash more shots as Fury was falling on to the ropes but he stopped and immediately withdrew when the referee jumped in. It also seemed as though Usyk decided to not throw punches (when he saw Fury about to topple) probably because he did not want to cause damage to Fury and he thought he was about to win by KO.

Wtf happened in round 9 ? Why on earth that ref jumped between them and stop Usyk from TKOing Fury? I have noticed several time, that ref wanted to jump between them when Usyk was pushing forward and was about to make a series of punches. That ref interfered more than did something useful.

[cabron]

The referee did not jump in immediately and eventually had to do one of two things. Either he had to stop the fight to protect Fury and award the win to Usyk or he had to give a mandatory ten second count because Fury would have been on the floor if the ropes were not stopping him from falling.

During the part when Fury almost falling backwards I was expecting the referee to jump in to stop the fight. Full credit to the referee, he did not stop the fight until the point he awarded a knockdown to Usyk. It was when the referee decided Fury would have been on the canvas if the ropes were not holding him up therefore he intervened and counted a mandatory ten seconds.

Full credit to Usyk because he was about to unleash more shots as Fury was falling on to the ropes but he stopped and immediately withdrew when the referee jumped in. It also seemed as though Usyk decided to not throw punches (when he saw Fury about to topple) probably because he did not want to cause damage to Fury and he thought he was about to win by KO.

Wtf happened in round 9 ? Why on earth that ref jumped between them and stop Usyk from TKOing Fury? I have noticed several time, that ref wanted to jump between them when Usyk was pushing forward and was about to make a series of punches. That ref interfered more than did something useful.

Is that an official rule?
He wasn't really KO'd so it is never counted as one but it would have been a devastating KO for Fury. I say this fight is rigged for Fury and then they didn't expect this is how it would turn, giving another few seconds for Usyk to continue hitting, Fury wouldn't be able to stand up.

I would understand it if Fury touched the floor with his gloves but this is really a cheat so to speak. I there is anything like that where the ref has to interfere while they stand still, the referee would stop the fight in order to save the fighter but not to count 10.

[pawel7777]

I don't know if there's any official boxing rule saying that a boxer needs to drop to the ground (or kneel etc) before he can be considered knocked down and the counting can begin, but if it's up for the referee to decide, then I see no controversy re the round 9 situation.
Tyson was in trouble but he was conscious, so stopping the fight would be completely wrong, and I don't think Fury would necessarily be KO'd cold if the referee didn't step in. Anything could've happened, but, to me, it looked like Fury was about to drop on his knee before he noticed the ref got between himself and Usyk.
This doesn't matter though, as Usyk has still won, and during the post-fight interview, he wasn't bothered by the situation at all.
I haven't seen the full fight yet, only the extensive highlights, but think Usyk won fair and square. The rematch should be really exciting.

[cabron]

I don't know if there's any official boxing rule saying that a boxer needs to drop to the ground (or kneel etc) before he can be considered knocked down and the counting can begin, but if it's up for the referee to decide, then I see no controversy re the round 9 situation.
Tyson was in trouble but he was conscious, so stopping the fight would be completely wrong, and I don't think Fury would necessarily be KO'd cold if the referee didn't step in. Anything could've happened, but, to me, it looked like Fury was about to drop on his knee before he noticed the ref got between himself and Usyk.
This doesn't matter though, as Usyk has still won, and during the post-fight interview, he wasn't bothered by the situation at all.
I haven't seen the full fight yet, only the extensive highlights, but think Usyk won fair and square. The rematch should be really exciting.

Well. It's already over and Usyk won. But there will be lots of talk about it. Because it is just unusual to count 10 when there is no knockdown. It may not matter to us but for some boxers, they keep that in mind. And they wouldn't be talking about a rematch if Fury dropped cold and there is no way the score would look like it's a very close fight.

I actually thought the ref stepped in to stop the fight and it's a TKO. lol

[KTChampions]

~ One of the judges giving it to Fury needs to be investigated.~

100% Imagine that another judge would be just as blind (or just bought/fucked up) - now we would have another scandalous result and endless discussions about the fact that boxing is a trash sport due to corruption.
However, even with such a fight where the greedy belly was beaten, I read many opinions in X that he was robbed and he won on points  It is clear that this is just the whining of fanboys, but when the judges make such strange calculations, even the most wretched opinion suddenly has some justification.

[Rruchi man]

Let's get ready to rumble!

He never seen fury so hurt, he even did well to recover because those sets of punches could have knocked out any regular boxer.

I think when Wilder knocked him down was a worse knockdown. Fury was spark out for a few seconds but came back from the dead.

Wilders punch looked to just have caught Fury off his feet, and although it counted as a knockdown, Fury was not so hurt, he just took some time to take a deep breath before getting back up.

Usyk clearly damaged Fury, I saw his knees wobble; he needed the ropes for support.

Does anyone want to see this fight run back again? I don’t. I think Fury is done.

I like to see the fight again to be convinced.

Fury had a good fight, but Usyk was just too special. It will take another fight to confirm the Usyk supremacy.

[FanEagle]

I feel like everyone already said it, but that 9th round referee save was clear indicator that Usyk was the winner, and he did very well. I remember the days when boxers had their peak at around 28-30 years old, being 37 years old and still fighting at the top of your game is amazing, I remember 45 year old Foreman fighting was a big deal, although he won too.

Usyk deserved this, and I am sure that they are going to do a rematch for the title, they will not have to wait for that long neither, they will fight like this fall or something. I Christmas fight would have been perfect too, while billions are at home, they could just sit and watch, or whenever it happens, it is going to be a great fight to watch without a doubt, and Fury will try more I am sure.

[Synchronice]

Usyk deserved to win, his performance was amazing! Very well done, congrats Usyk! By the way, it would be good if Fury wasn't complaining about how everyone's favorite was Usyk because Ukraine is in war, bla, bla, bla. You are a man, 35 years old, take a lose like a man, stand up and keep going!

I think when Wilder knocked him down was a worse knockdown. Fury was spark out for a few seconds but came back from the dead.

That is one of my favorite fight. Who could imagine that Fury would stand up and beat Wilder?

Usyk deserved this, and I am sure that they are going to do a rematch for the title, they will not have to wait for that long neither, they will fight like this fall or something. I Christmas fight would have been perfect too, while billions are at home, they could just sit and watch, or whenever it happens, it is going to be a great fight to watch without a doubt, and Fury will try more I am sure.

Tyson Fury confirmed that he wants a rematch and I also believe that rematch will happen, it gives Fury a chance to beat the Usyk and at the same time it will generate a good amount of money. On top of that, if Usyk wins again, that will be a huge achievement for him.

[KTChampions]

~
Tyson Fury confirmed that he wants a rematch and I also believe that rematch will happen, it gives Fury a chance to beat the Usyk and at the same time it will generate a good amount of money. On top of that, if Usyk wins again, that will be a huge achievement for him.

I'm not sure that Fury really wants this fight, maybe in words he is brave (as it always was, his mouth produced a lot of loud words) but in deeds he is a coward. After Usyk destroyed Fury's claim to legacy by making him a mere decoration, what's the point of him fighting again? I think he will be content with bumfights and by the way he is quite up to their level, he is finished.
I wonder what Usik himself will do next, he has completed boxing completely in two weight categories. Maybe it's worth leaving undefeated, maybe it's worth just making money and losing sooner or later... it doesn't matter since he's already soared to maximum heights.

[Quidat]

~
Tyson Fury confirmed that he wants a rematch and I also believe that rematch will happen, it gives Fury a chance to beat the Usyk and at the same time it will generate a good amount of money. On top of that, if Usyk wins again, that will be a huge achievement for him.

I'm not sure that Fury really wants this fight, maybe in words he is brave (as it always was, his mouth produced a lot of loud words) but in deeds he is a coward. After Usyk destroyed Fury's claim to legacy by making him a mere decoration, what's the point of him fighting again? I think he will be content with bumfights and by the way he is quite up to their level, he is finished.
I wonder what Usik himself will do next, he has completed boxing completely in two weight categories. Maybe it's worth leaving undefeated, maybe it's worth just making money and losing sooner or later... it doesn't matter since he's already soared to maximum heights.

We do know that as long that there would really be some huge money involved then even if this possible rematch is unlikely to happen but it would really be arranged up accordingly
but of course it would really be that basing up on the demand of the fans or the public because this is where money do comes from. Usyk did fought well and you could really be able to see
those solid punches on which making that Fury look like a drunkard on that 9th round. Its true that it is really that looks like a bit of save. Usyk deserve that and now being a unified champion
on which im already anticipating that Fury would be defeated on this fight, i dont know if its just me that Fury looks too lousy or just that because of his non good looking physique? lol

[Balmain]

Wtf happened in round 9 ? Why on earth that ref jumped between them and stop Usyk from TKOing Fury? I have noticed several time, that ref wanted to jump between them when Usyk was pushing forward and was about to make a series of punches. That ref interfered more than did something useful.

In conclusion - Fury went with one of his best forms, but still lose. I remember they have a rematch, then during it Usyk would TKO Fury for sure. First loss for Fury, knowing his mental problems, it definitely going to leave a mark and be advantage for Usyk in their next fight.

I don't know what to say about what happened in the ninth round. Fury did not collapse, but if the referee had not intervened, Usyk would have TKOed him. He walked around the ring and shook with the left pole shots he hit. There is a weight difference between them. Usyk destroyed him, but he showed that he is the best. There is another possibility for Fury, they made a contract for a rematch, so even if we consider Fury at his strongest, Usyk looks much better, I don't know, I think Usyk finished the event in this match, of course the rematch will be very entertaining.

[KTChampions]

~ i dont know if its just me that Fury looks too lousy or just that because of his non good looking physique? lol

100%! When I watched the fight for the second time today (I downloaded the entire fight from a torrent lol to check some points) I also noticed this. Fury's sides, which hang like a random fat man's, look super unaesthetic and actually correspond to his physical form - he could not be active for more than 15 seconds, it seemed to me. He reminded me of Valuev who, after a certain stage of the fight, could hardly “wear” his hands 
As for mental strength, it seemed to me that Fury understood everything already in the first round, then he flaunted and even seemed to level the fight by winning several rounds, but Usik, as always, decided everything in his favor.

[pawel7777]

I'm not sure that Fury really wants this fight, maybe in words he is brave (as it always was, his mouth produced a lot of loud words) but in deeds he is a coward. After Usyk destroyed Fury's claim to legacy by making him a mere decoration, what's the point of him fighting again? I think he will be content with bumfights and by the way he is quite up to their level, he is finished.
I wonder what Usik himself will do next, he has completed boxing completely in two weight categories. Maybe it's worth leaving undefeated, maybe it's worth just making money and losing sooner or later... it doesn't matter since he's already soared to maximum heights.

I see you're not a Fury fan to the point that you're being unreasonable in your criticism.
Why would he be content in fighting bums? Not for the glory/legacy, that's for sure, so for money? A rematch with Usyk would yield them much more than a dozen bum fights.

He lost to Usyk in a close fight by split decision while dealing more physical damage to Usyk than the other way around. Of course he's not without a chance in a rematch, so why would he be afraid of it?

Plus, they had a rematch clause in the contract, both confirmed they want it to happen, and it's tentatively scheduled for 12th October, so this is happening unless one of them backs out of it (there could be some penalties involved though).

[Kemarit]

I don't know if there's any official boxing rule saying that a boxer needs to drop to the ground (or kneel etc) before he can be considered knocked down and the counting can begin, but if it's up for the referee to decide, then I see no controversy re the round 9 situation.
Tyson was in trouble but he was conscious, so stopping the fight would be completely wrong, and I don't think Fury would necessarily be KO'd cold if the referee didn't step in. Anything could've happened, but, to me, it looked like Fury was about to drop on his knee before he noticed the ref got between himself and Usyk.
This doesn't matter though, as Usyk has still won, and during the post-fight interview, he wasn't bothered by the situation at all.
I haven't seen the full fight yet, only the extensive highlights, but think Usyk won fair and square. The rematch should be really exciting.

Well. It's already over and Usyk won. But there will be lots of talk about it. Because it is just unusual to count 10 when there is no knockdown. It may not matter to us but for some boxers, they keep that in mind. And they wouldn't be talking about a rematch if Fury dropped cold and there is no way the score would look like it's a very close fight.

I actually thought the ref stepped in to stop the fight and it's a TKO. lol

It's obvious that the referee didn't know what to do with it, maybe he was thinking of stopping that fight, but then decided for a standing 10 count like in the amateurs, LOL. But it obvious that Uysk won, I do agree, what the hell is the other judges winning and giving it to Fury?

And with that, there is a rematch, so another big money fight, but Fury took damage here so not sure how he will get back from this kind of psychological beating from Usyk. And yeah, we all know what he doesn't want to look at Usyk's eye because he is afraid and be intimidate by that scary looks.

[Bananington]

And with that, there is a rematch, so another big money fight, but Fury took damage here so not sure how he will get back from this kind of psychological beating from Usyk. And yeah, we all know what he doesn't want to look at Usyk's eye because he is afraid and be intimidate by that scary looks.

If Fury does not win the rematch, his career would have ended very badly already, and it would mean Usyk is really the undisputed. Usyk does not need to relent in training and practice because fury will train even more with this loss in the fight round. There are many errors in the game for Fury and his team to fix before the next fight, there are many lesson that Usyk and his team need to perfect if they will maintain their competitive edge in the next fight. But until that challenge, big respect to Usyk in the fight, it is never easy to go against a fighter who has weight and height advantage over you.

[pawel7777]

And with that, there is a rematch, so another big money fight, but Fury took damage here so not sure how he will get back from this kind of psychological beating from Usyk. And yeah, we all know what he doesn't want to look at Usyk's eye because he is afraid and be intimidate by that scary looks.

I believe it's advised for fighters to have 6-12 month break after a knockout, but Fury was not KO'd cold (i.e. his body did not shut down) so I don't think he would need that long to recover. Plus, neither of them is getting any younger so they cannot afford to sit idle for too long, so the proposed date of rematch for October sounds reasonable.

If Fury does not win the rematch, his career would have ended very badly already, and it would mean Usyk is really the undisputed. (...)

Fury mentioned a few times before that he struggled to find motivation for regular fights that didn't have much on the line. So I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to retire if he were to fail the rematch. Or maybe he would just take Joshua for his final goodbye fight, as there was a lot of beef and some unsettled score between those two.
But whether or not his career would be over, it'll be entirely up to him. His name will still be so big that he wouldn't be complaining about the lack of options (for less money of course).

[FinneysTrueVision]

I see you're not a Fury fan to the point that you're being unreasonable in your criticism.
Why would he be content in fighting bums? Not for the glory/legacy, that's for sure, so for money? A rematch with Usyk would yield them much more than a dozen bum fights.

He lost to Usyk in a close fight by split decision while dealing more physical damage to Usyk than the other way around. Of course he's not without a chance in a rematch, so why would he be afraid of it?

Plus, they had a rematch clause in the contract, both confirmed they want it to happen, and it's tentatively scheduled for 12th October, so this is happening unless one of them backs out of it (there could be some penalties involved though).

Fury has been a polarizing and controversial figure. People would have looked for reasons to discredit him regardless of the outcome. I don’t really get it, it’s not like he is Jake Paul. I’ve seen some opinions online from people saying he is a bum who has never beaten any good fighters and that he was easily defeated by an MMA fighter. Paradoxically, most of these people are now saying that Usyk is the #1 fighter in the world after winning against an "overrated bum" like Fury.

Usyk is indeed a great fighter, but whether people want to admit it or not, Fury is also great. Up until this loss, I would’ve considered him the best heavyweight in the post-Klitschko era. Winning his titles against a legend like Klitschko in his adopted home country of Germany, and then being the first to beat a fearsome killer like Wilder are not accomplishments that can easily be ignored.

[bittraffic]

I see you're not a Fury fan to the point that you're being unreasonable in your criticism.
Why would he be content in fighting bums? Not for the glory/legacy, that's for sure, so for money? A rematch with Usyk would yield them much more than a dozen bum fights.

He lost to Usyk in a close fight by split decision while dealing more physical damage to Usyk than the other way around. Of course he's not without a chance in a rematch, so why would he be afraid of it?

Plus, they had a rematch clause in the contract, both confirmed they want it to happen, and it's tentatively scheduled for 12th October, so this is happening unless one of them backs out of it (there could be some penalties involved though).

Fury has been a polarizing and controversial figure. People would have looked for reasons to discredit him regardless of the outcome. I don’t really get it, it’s not like he is Jake Paul. I’ve seen some opinions online from people saying he is a bum who has never beaten any good fighters and that he was easily defeated by an MMA fighter. Paradoxically, most of these people are now saying that Usyk is the #1 fighter in the world after winning against an "overrated bum" like Fury.

Usyk is indeed a great fighter, but whether people want to admit it or not, Fury is also great. Up until this loss, I would’ve considered him the best heavyweight in the post-Klitschko era. Winning his titles against a legend like Klitschko in his adopted home country of Germany, and then being the first to beat a fearsome killer like Wilder are not accomplishments that can easily be ignored.

I don't know. Fury isn't as graceful in accepting defeat actually it's like taking out the glory from Usyk by saying he thought he was winning that's why in the last 2 rounds he was just running around. Duh?  If it weren't for the referee he would have been crawling like Haney, I doubt he would even get up as he isn't raising his hands anymore at that 9th round.

[mu_enrico]

My opinion was the same as most of the voters here, but I guess Fury was just too lazy. He has everything: technique, reach, height, and weight, but if he's too lazy to train, then he has nothing. The signs were there, starting with his sluggish performance against Ngannou when he could have easily beaten him if he had trained well. Instead, he was in trouble! If and only if Fury isn't injured and spends the rest of the months training like hell, then he still has a chance to get his revenge.

[bakasabo]

My opinion was the same as most of the voters here, but I guess Fury was just too lazy. He has everything: technique, reach, height, and weight, but if he's too lazy to train, then he has nothing. The signs were there, starting with his sluggish performance against Ngannou when he could have easily beaten him if he had trained well. Instead, he was in trouble! If and only if Fury isn't injured and spends the rest of the months training like hell, then he still has a chance to get his revenge.

But if we compare Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou and Tyson Fury vs Alexander Usyk, we would get two different boxers. In a fight against Usyk we did not get lazy Fury. Just look on his form, how slim (if it is right to say that about him) he was. This is achieved through hours and hours of training. In my opinion, it is not that Tyson Fury was lazy, it is Usyk who was better than him. But I can accept the fact that Fury is just old for boxing. Look at his career in past and now. He was furious, and now in two last fights he was knocked downed, and in the second time saved by referee.

[yazher]

But if we compare Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou and Tyson Fury vs Alexander Usyk, we would get two different boxers. In a fight against Usyk we did not get lazy Fury. Just look on his form, how slim (if it is right to say that about him) he was. This is achieved through hours and hours of training. In my opinion, it is not that Tyson Fury was lazy, it is Usyk who was better than him. But I can accept the fact that Fury is just old for boxing. Look at his career in past and now. He was furious, and now in two last fights he was knocked downed, and in the second time saved by referee.

The split decision tells us what kind of fight it was and surely we want to see another re-match if it's possible because it was the kind of Heavyweight fight we really want to see. They reached the last rounds which often Fury has the advantage but the consistent punches from Usyk made him more furious and gave him enough points to win that fight. Well, Fury is getting mold but he was able to counter effectively but not as good as he was before because those heavy punches when landed to his opponent's face back then, knocked them out cold like how Wilder was.

[bakasabo]

But if we compare Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou and Tyson Fury vs Alexander Usyk, we would get two different boxers. In a fight against Usyk we did not get lazy Fury. Just look on his form, how slim (if it is right to say that about him) he was. This is achieved through hours and hours of training. In my opinion, it is not that Tyson Fury was lazy, it is Usyk who was better than him. But I can accept the fact that Fury is just old for boxing. Look at his career in past and now. He was furious, and now in two last fights he was knocked downed, and in the second time saved by referee.

The split decision tells us what kind of fight it was and surely we want to see another re-match if it's possible because it was the kind of Heavyweight fight we really want to see. They reached the last rounds which often Fury has the advantage but the consistent punches from Usyk made him more furious and gave him enough points to win that fight. Well, Fury is getting mold but he was able to counter effectively but not as good as he was before because those heavy punches when landed to his opponent's face back then, knocked them out cold like how Wilder was.

From your point of view, what kind of fight it was? Thus that this fight is split and not majority, means one judge saw Fury winning this fight. Which rounds Fury has won do you think? As I dont think that rematch is necessary it this case. Even if they went close, round 9 showed who is better. As well as Alexander Usyk has obtain all the belts. He had all belts in cruiserweight, now had them in heavyweights. For him its looks like he has achieved everything in boxing so far, and maybe it is time to think about retirement.

[Lannakosa]

From your point of view, what kind of fight it was? Thus that this fight is split and not majority, means one judge saw Fury winning this fight. Which rounds Fury has won do you think? As I dont think that rematch is necessary it this case. Even if they went close, round 9 showed who is better. As well as Alexander Usyk has obtain all the belts. He had all belts in cruiserweight, now had them in heavyweights. For him its looks like he has achieved everything in boxing so far, and maybe it is time to think about retirement.

The sixth round was difficult for Usyk, but giving the victory to a fighter just because of one round? Usyk achieved his goal, this is a great achievement, but he is still too young to think about retiring from his career. Besides, a rematch is a common thing, and it seems to me that Usyk would not mind repeating this fight again, given that he was better throughout almost the entire fight. For Fury, this is the first defeat, it can change his self-confidence, it’s not for nothing that he was afraid to look Usyk in the eyes. Usik also pointed out to the referee a couple of times that Fury struck at the back of the head, but this is his method, he always liked to act with some tricks, and by the way, he once refused Klitschko a rematch.

[FanEagle]

Fury has been a polarizing and controversial figure. People would have looked for reasons to discredit him regardless of the outcome. I don’t really get it, it’s not like he is Jake Paul. I’ve seen some opinions online from people saying he is a bum who has never beaten any good fighters and that he was easily defeated by an MMA fighter. Paradoxically, most of these people are now saying that Usyk is the #1 fighter in the world after winning against an "overrated bum" like Fury.

Usyk is indeed a great fighter, but whether people want to admit it or not, Fury is also great. Up until this loss, I would’ve considered him the best heavyweight in the post-Klitschko era. Winning his titles against a legend like Klitschko in his adopted home country of Germany, and then being the first to beat a fearsome killer like Wilder are not accomplishments that can easily be ignored.

I don't know. Fury isn't as graceful in accepting defeat actually it's like taking out the glory from Usyk by saying he thought he was winning that's why in the last 2 rounds he was just running around. Duh?  If it weren't for the referee he would have been crawling like Haney, I doubt he would even get up as he isn't raising his hands anymore at that 9th round.

Lol, he said that he was winning and didn't fight much on the last two rounds AFTER he got a knockdown? I mean technically he wasn't down, but the count was up so that was considered as knockdown, so he assumed that after that in the 9th round, he assumed that he was doing fine? Lol, wonder what made him think that, at the very least his corner should have let him know that he was losing.

The fact that he lost just by a small margin is the real scandal, dude lost by a huge margin, everyone who watched the fight knew that after the first few rounds, he was nowhere to be found and Usyk really gave him the business, dude fought all 12 rounds and that is why he won the fight. They talked about October rematch during the end, I really hope that happens again.

[KTChampions]

I'm not sure that Fury really wants this fight, maybe in words he is brave (as it always was, his mouth produced a lot of loud words) but in deeds he is a coward. After Usyk destroyed Fury's claim to legacy by making him a mere decoration, what's the point of him fighting again? I think he will be content with bumfights and by the way he is quite up to their level, he is finished.
I wonder what Usik himself will do next, he has completed boxing completely in two weight categories. Maybe it's worth leaving undefeated, maybe it's worth just making money and losing sooner or later... it doesn't matter since he's already soared to maximum heights.

I see you're not a Fury fan to the point that you're being unreasonable in your criticism.
Why would he be content in fighting bums? Not for the glory/legacy, that's for sure, so for money? A rematch with Usyk would yield them much more than a dozen bum fights.

He lost to Usyk in a close fight by split decision while dealing more physical damage to Usyk than the other way around. Of course he's not without a chance in a rematch, so why would he be afraid of it?

Plus, they had a rematch clause in the contract, both confirmed they want it to happen, and it's tentatively scheduled for 12th October, so this is happening unless one of them backs out of it (there could be some penalties involved though).

I think Fury will prefer bumfights because it’s easy money and for the sake of the show (or rather its continuation), the judges can help him even if he loses the fight (with fair judging).
Fury is a shameful coward, a nandrolone lover who ran from Klitschko, then ran from Usik, but by some miracle the unification fight still took place and everyone saw that Fury was just a sack.
No need to talk about a split decision and a close fight, just watch it again (I did that, for example) 

[inthelongrun]

Usyk had 3 belts compared to Fury's 1 but he walked first and was also introduced first. But maybe they're one of Fury's dozens of demands just to make this undisputed fight.

I do not think it was even a matter of demands. Fury held the WBC belt which historically is the belt that has the most value and historical association. It was never going to be debatable as to which boxer would walk in to the ring second.

It is a matter of demands. Normally when 2 champs fight each other, the champion who enters the ring first will be the one introduced last.

All belts, the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO are all equal. Historically, it's the WBA because it's the first. The WBC is probably the most popular because the Sulaimans were corrupt and provide special rankings and treatments to popular fighters for monetary purposes. The biggest name and cashcow in the sport at the moment, Canelo Alvarez is the perfect example. Not getting stripped of his WBC belt even if he's not fighting his mando.

[bakasabo]

From your point of view, what kind of fight it was? Thus that this fight is split and not majority, means one judge saw Fury winning this fight. Which rounds Fury has won do you think? As I dont think that rematch is necessary it this case. Even if they went close, round 9 showed who is better. As well as Alexander Usyk has obtain all the belts. He had all belts in cruiserweight, now had them in heavyweights. For him its looks like he has achieved everything in boxing so far, and maybe it is time to think about retirement.

The sixth round was difficult for Usyk, but giving the victory to a fighter just because of one round? Usyk achieved his goal, this is a great achievement, but he is still too young to think about retiring from his career. Besides, a rematch is a common thing, and it seems to me that Usyk would not mind repeating this fight again, given that he was better throughout almost the entire fight. For Fury, this is the first defeat, it can change his self-confidence, it’s not for nothing that he was afraid to look Usyk in the eyes. Usik also pointed out to the referee a couple of times that Fury struck at the back of the head, but this is his method, he always liked to act with some tricks, and by the way, he once refused Klitschko a rematch.

From what I saw, Usyk won more than one round, and despite 6th round was tough for Usyk, Fury did not send him to knockdown. Late rounds, the most complicated or called champion rounds were all taken by Usyk. For me, the way Usyk performed that night is enough to call him a winner or champion.

Maybe you are right that it is early for him to retire, but what should he do next despite having title protection? There is nothing else to achieve. He could continue fighting only for the sake of money, as there is nothing else left to win. Olympic champion, Worlds champion in all organizations.

[Baofeng]

I see you're not a Fury fan to the point that you're being unreasonable in your criticism.
Why would he be content in fighting bums? Not for the glory/legacy, that's for sure, so for money? A rematch with Usyk would yield them much more than a dozen bum fights.

He lost to Usyk in a close fight by split decision while dealing more physical damage to Usyk than the other way around. Of course he's not without a chance in a rematch, so why would he be afraid of it?

Plus, they had a rematch clause in the contract, both confirmed they want it to happen, and it's tentatively scheduled for 12th October, so this is happening unless one of them backs out of it (there could be some penalties involved though).

Fury has been a polarizing and controversial figure. People would have looked for reasons to discredit him regardless of the outcome. I don’t really get it, it’s not like he is Jake Paul. I’ve seen some opinions online from people saying he is a bum who has never beaten any good fighters and that he was easily defeated by an MMA fighter. Paradoxically, most of these people are now saying that Usyk is the #1 fighter in the world after winning against an "overrated bum" like Fury.

Usyk is indeed a great fighter, but whether people want to admit it or not, Fury is also great. Up until this loss, I would’ve considered him the best heavyweight in the post-Klitschko era. Winning his titles against a legend like Klitschko in his adopted home country of Germany, and then being the first to beat a fearsome killer like Wilder are not accomplishments that can easily be ignored.

I don't know. Fury isn't as graceful in accepting defeat actually it's like taking out the glory from Usyk by saying he thought he was winning that's why in the last 2 rounds he was just running around. Duh?  If it weren't for the referee he would have been crawling like Haney, I doubt he would even get up as he isn't raising his hands anymore at that 9th round.

That's how it is, no one accepts defeat, because fighters doesn't see what's the real score and obviously everyone is very positive that they are winning until the judges scorecard is announced.

And so there is a rematch, Fury will have to adjust, Usyk really amazes us, I mean he is CW, but when he moves up, it seems that he really improved a lot and his punches have power. We never thought that he could give a beating like that to a bigger Fury. Something though is wrong with Fury though, perhaps he just try to hide everything with his antics even during the fight. But deep inside his mentality is very different.

[Yaunfitda]

My opinion was the same as most of the voters here, but I guess Fury was just too lazy. He has everything: technique, reach, height, and weight, but if he's too lazy to train, then he has nothing. The signs were there, starting with his sluggish performance against Ngannou when he could have easily beaten him if he had trained well. Instead, he was in trouble! If and only if Fury isn't injured and spends the rest of the months training like hell, then he still has a chance to get his revenge.

I think he seriously trained in this fight, and as I have said before, he losses a lot of weight and that could be his strategy here and could be looking to really moved around. But Usyk is getting better as he outbox and outsmart Fury and his straight and overhand left was very effective and Fury can't counter him. Now, if Fury is really a great champion, then if the rematch he will try to avenge his lost. But then, if he takes another close lose, maybe we can say that Usyk is really the best on this era now. Defeated Joshua two times and now drop Fury to win. One judges though, his scores is questionable.