An easy way to overcome China and Russia

[Hispo]

Democracy is preached in the world but is not making the world any better both in economy and sociopolitical relationship and that gets me to view it as illusion. Many countries have been in war despite the UN and order organisation that try to bring government into one fold yet they fail to bring peace to the global space.

I don't like such posts; I have come to the conclusion that almost all problems of the western countries are caused by a lack of democracy.
I think that currenly e.g. in the USA there is a hidden union between the leftists and the rightists, and maybe it will be correct to say that the political system in US is in fact one-party, not two-parties.

It is easy to talk about the lack of democracy or actual democracy in the west or even in the United States, but wil actually ignore the problems with democracy in countries like Gaza, Iran, Russia or China?
If we assume that in the United States democracy is actually an illusion and there is only one big party behind the curtains, it would equivalent to say they are not different from what we see in China, which would be difficult to prove, though.

It is true that there are many similarities between the republican party and the democrat party: both accept donations from big corporations and entities, both promote capitalism and free market to some extent. I believe the one of the major differences between them is the fact democrats want to further enhance the taxation system and distribute wealth using already existing systems (also there is a clear point of view to control the access to guns to some extent). The republican party wants to cut taxes to the rich and make easier to anyone to get a weapon for the sake of freedom.

[GrLinkey]

I think that even now, when most Russians have become insane fascists, it is easy for the USA to overcome Putin if they do this in such a way:
1) Declare, that in the case of "Nuclear armageddon" (massive nuclear war), if many Russian missiles will be launched to the USA, USA will launch missiles in retalliation not only to Russia but also to Chine;
2) Declare, that the USA plan to join the war in Ukraine;
3) Declare, that they will stop doing that. either if China will join the sanctions against Russia, or if in Russia a referendum would be pefromed with the suggestion to calcel censorship in the internet and political repressions.
These declarations must be maid as publicly as possible, so that all Russians know them and the nuclear threats of Putin will lower his rating in Russia.
I am sure that Russians will be unable to fight in such a war, because the Russian soldiers will suffer from a cognitive dissonance - what are they fighting for? For prohibiting this referendum?

[Shova]

I think that currently the politicians in democracies do not understand how they should confront authoritarian regimes like China and Russia. It can be very simple – threatening such regimes a war unless they choose political liberalization.
When Hitler started oppressing mass media in 1933, the France could threaten him – stop this unless we start a war. I am sure this was an easy way to prevent all horrors of the WW2. The Germans were eager to fight for their country, their “fatherland” as they understood it; but could they fight for political repressions in Germany, for closing independent mass media? I am sure that no. The same could happen in 2003 in Russia, when Putin started to take away the TV channels from Russian Oligarchs (NTV Ren TV).
And it is not too late to perform this now. Possibly soon Putin will block youtube in Russia (if not – eventually youtube will destroy the state propaganda in Russia). If the West threatens in this case the missile strikes on Russian centers of state TV channels – this will easily end the rule of Putin in Russia. The Russians surely will not fight for blocking youtube, for supporting the Putin’s lies.
The same with China. If I am not mistaken, the Chinese people are quite unhappy with the digital totalitarianism (state social rating) and surely will not fight for it.

I don't plagiarize

A typical example of warmongering citizen filled with western propaganda. Bring in if you dare, the western neo-imperialism would be destroyed once and for all.

[BADecker]

It seems that a 'formerly' secret US plan to defeat/destroy China and Russia has been found out.

Notice that this info is from Natural News.. Check the bibliography whenever looking at NN stories, to see that what they say isn't a NN fabrication.


Declassified documents reveal US secret nuclear war project named “SIOP,” aimed at killing Russians and Chinese people


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-06-07-us-secret-nuclear-war-project-kill-russians-chinese.html
Many cannot help but suspect that the United States, through countries like Ukraine and possibly Taiwan, has been inciting proxy wars to get on with its 1960s plan to mount a nuclear war with Russia and its top ally, China. Declassified documents posted twenty years ago indicate the creation of the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP) six decades ago, that would "kill a lot of Russians and Chinese." According to the documents at the National Security Archive at George Washington University, the U.S. included so many nuclear weapons in its first missile-age plan for nuclear war that top military commanders called it a "hazard to ourselves as well as our enemy."

SIOP has been one of the most secret and sensitive issues in U.S. national security policy because it indicates a massive nuclear strike on military and urban-industrial targets in the Soviet Union (Russia), China and their allies. It originally included a complex organizational scheme involving the interaction of targeting, weapons delivery systems and flight paths, nuclear detonations over targets, measurements of devastation and defensive measures and successive SIOPs that would become even more complex. Under the secret plan, a Russian city would receive three 80-kiloton weapons.

Then outgoing President Dwight D. Eisenhower, along with the Navy leaders and White House Science Adviser George Kistiakowsky, were deeply critical of the SIOP's overkill. The late president even said that the plan "frightened the devil out of him." Incoming Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara soon decried the "fantastic" levels of fallout that attacks on a multitude of Soviet targets would produce.
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[AVE5]

So Western countries decide everything no matter what? To be honest only US can sustain for a while if Russia and China shut their door and most EU countries will go bankrupt and wake up to the reality there is already a switch in the super powers and we are in transition period and in a decade or two the China will become the new US.

The fact that the West holds the mantle the world leadership doesn't mean it should be abused by oppressing others. Not even the West that's been so clean from corruptions and basing its governing system in the demands of their citizens. They ask do have their flux of inconveniences and not to say that everything is just working out perfectly there.
Putin taking down some of those social channels is strickly for security purposes and considering propagandas to be limited.
Indeed the US won't keep being the world power because other countries such as the China is a major outstanding threat to take over the USAs ground.

[Roggeredek]

China supports the goal of undermining Western influence. But it disagrees with some of Russia's tactics, one of which is Moscow's threat to use nuclear weapons. China is fully aware of the consequences of giving unconditional support to Russia in this situation the country is constantly revising its strategies to increase its acceptance in the international arena.

[BADecker]

^^^ China might disagree with using nukes just like Russia does. How do we know that Russia Disagrees with using nukes? They haven't used them, even though they could have, and have good reason to. Nobody disagrees with threatening, just to remind the other side that the nukes are there.

China's lack of unconditional support of Russia in the war is based on many things. After all, China and the US do business every day.

[Hispo]

I am not sure how well that would play out for people from Russia and China to enjoy better life standards and not to be oppressed by the will and whims of dictators. You proposal is basically to threaten making use of an over-measured action against something which would not usually start a conflict. What would be the warranty either China or Russia won't give an over-measured response back after the initial thread from the Western qualition? To me, rather than helping people who are living oppressed lives in those countries, this sounds like a way to rapidly devolve the situation into a hot war with those countries, the kind of direct conflict which could end up with the existence of the human race on this planet. Not thank you... I would rather to read different ideas besides this one.

[GrLinkey]

I am not sure how well that would play out for people from Russia and China to enjoy better life standards and not to be oppressed by the will and whims of dictators. You proposal is basically to threaten making use of an over-measured action against something which would not usually start a conflict. What would be the warranty either China or Russia won't give an over-measured response back after the initial thread from the Western qualition? To me, rather than helping people who are living oppressed lives in those countries, this sounds like a way to rapidly devolve the situation into a hot war with those countries, the kind of direct conflict which could end up with the existence of the human race on this planet. Not thank you... I would rather to read different ideas besides this one.

If Putin swallows Ukraine, his appetite will increase and the Eastern Europe will be next. And the big war with nukes will become even more probable.