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November 14, 2023, 01:51:00 AM
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Greetings to all those passionate about the crypto world!

We all know that blockchain technology provides unmatched transparency by recording all transactions, but how can we maintain an appropriate level of privacy in this decentralized network?
Is it possible to guarantee anonymity in Bitcoin? There are several techniques, protocols and tools that seek to address this challenge, and I would love to explore them with you.

A tool that I have seen a lot and as a popular option is the use of Mixers (also known as tumblers) that allow transactions to be mixed and masked, making it difficult to track the origin and destination of funds. Another method that has recently gained attention is CoinJoin, where multiple transactions are grouped together and make it more difficult to track the final address of each one.

But here comes the most intriguing question: is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?
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November 14, 2023, 01:58:40 AM
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But here comes the most intriguing question: is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?

Maybe the latter. Though we have some tools such as mixers. There still no way to conveniently use bitcoin in a easiet way to convert of it into pure money or fiat without giving up a little of our identity. Yes we can hide our tracks but those bitcoin if you want for fiat you need a trusted companion or peer which tells us that guy "knows you at least by nickname or personally( seen your face)" so its totally impossible.

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November 14, 2023, 02:17:22 AM
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I'm not an expert on this topic and I cannot analyze the specific technicalities whether certain mixers, coinjoin, swaps through DExes, conversions to privacy coins like Monero, etc are enough to keep your privacy absolutely intact, but it can probably provide you sufficient privacy.

If you're just an everyday user who simply wants to be private, you can make use of these available tools and they're effective enough. But if you are involved in something illicit and global for example that the three-lettered agencies of the US government will have to use their resources to identify you, I bet you'd still be known.

But Bitcoin wasn't created to keep all of its users private such that everybody is confident enough to get into all kinds of transactions because they can't be known. Privacy coins probably have that goal.
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November 14, 2023, 02:21:56 AM
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Greeting

Bitcoin uses technology called blockchain, which is a digital ledger that functions to record and ensure all bitcoin transactions are safe and cannot be changed.
Speaking of Coinjon, although this method is widely said to be unreliable, it combines multiple Bitcoin payments from multiple shoppers into one transaction to make it difficult for outside parties to determine which shopper paid or which recipient.

I think it depends on the user, which one they will choose from Bitcoin transactions.
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November 14, 2023, 02:26:44 AM
Last edit: November 14, 2023, 05:22:34 AM by albert0bsd
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Is it possible to guarantee anonymity in Bitcoin?

Yes it is possible, I have three approach with this:

I use a seed exclusively to KYC transactions and other different seed exclusively for Non-KYC Transactions

All KYC are used only for regular payements were privacy is not a concern and when I get enough Balance on it (The KYC address) i used a Good Mixer for it Once that the balance is mixed almost five times i send it to my Non-KYC Seed.

All the Non-KYC outputs are send using only coin-join or stonewall

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November 14, 2023, 02:58:52 AM
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The level of privacy depends on the extent of your experience and your ability to correctly use the available options. If you think that by using Monero you will be completely hidden, then you are wrong, let alone solutions that try to enhance the privacy of Bitcoin, which is not the goal of Bitcoin. basic privacy is supposed to break the link between his inputs and outputs, that is what mixing services do, which provide you with a simple and easy interface to manage CoinJoin transactions or any other mixing method, to enhance privacy such as time delays, dividing Bitcoin into several addresses, and setting a restriction that you do not receive anything from your previous transactions.

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November 14, 2023, 03:10:17 AM
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moving transactions manually/normally does not trigger any great scrutiny/analysis software to flag you as suspicious just by making a transaction

BUT
regulations of services have policies to specifically identify mixer methodology. and then flag anyone using a mixer, as suspicious..
and then follow their out-flow of transactions out of the mixer
and follow backwards the in-flow of taint of transactions that went into a mixer

in short using a mixer gets you noticed MORE and the funds movements into and out of a mixer get watched more closely compared to any other normal movement transaction

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analogy
imagine you want to walk down a sidewalk without being noticed by anyone.. do you manually/normally walk like everyone else.. or do you put a laundry powder box on your head..
.. many people will notice someone with a box on their head and be more intrigued to see what he is upto
you think you are hiding by using a box.. but its the box that becomes the reason people watch your movements more often

MIXERS ARE LISTED IN REGULATIONS as a suspicious activity flagged for greater scrutiny of analysis.. using a mixer will get you noticed more
this means if they see a mixer they should follow all funds inflows and outflows more closely and share information to find out where funds came from and end up


offering a service promoted/advertised as a mixer is asking for trouble before trouble starts just by calling it a service listed as suspicious
its like saying sugary drinks are bad.. and then soda companies purposefully brand themselves "sugary drink".. not a good business decision

those operating mixers or obfuscation systems need to take a hard read of regulations and find the loopholes and create systems/services based on the loopholes and whats NOT listed in regulations about tracking susppicious funds

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November 14, 2023, 03:17:02 AM
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Greetings to all those passionate about the crypto world!

We all know that blockchain technology provides unmatched transparency by recording all transactions, but how can we maintain an appropriate level of privacy in this decentralized network?
Is it possible to guarantee anonymity in Bitcoin? There are several techniques, protocols and tools that seek to address this challenge, and I would love to explore them with you.

A tool that I have seen a lot and as a popular option is the use of Mixers (also known as tumblers) that allow transactions to be mixed and masked, making it difficult to track the origin and destination of funds. Another method that has recently gained attention is CoinJoin, where multiple transactions are grouped together and make it more difficult to track the final address of each one.

But here comes the most intriguing question: is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?


There are many tools to maintain privacy like mixers. Also, there are special privacy coins as well.
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November 14, 2023, 03:42:45 AM
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Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?
Here's the thing, Bitcoin is not a centralized orgs, if some people think coinjoin or mixer is not enough they'd definitely build their own solution for privacy issues. I'm pretty sure some are already doing that, so you don't have to worry about the lack of innovation related to privacy tools. At the same time, there's no way to force all communities to focus on this topic since not everyone feels the urgency to improve the layer of privacy. I'd argue the average joe probably doesn't care about it, and some developers probably think other issues are more important (scalability issues etc).

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November 14, 2023, 03:52:40 AM
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Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?
Here's the thing, Bitcoin is not a centralized orgs, if some people think coinjoin or mixer is not enough they'd definitely build their own solution for privacy issues. I'm pretty sure some are already doing that, so you don't have to worry about the lack of innovation related to privacy tools.

there are a few methods of obfuscating the movements of funds that do not sound like "mixers".. but if you read any of the "privacy"/"mixer" topics on this forum, you do not see much discussion about innovating new tools to bypass regulated lists. instead you see mixer operators screaming that everyone should use their service more..

most mixer operators and their commissioned affiliates do not care about making a tool of true privacy. they prefer making an easy service that is PROMOTED as privacy enhancing, but all they are really offering is something that requires a fee, for a service that will get service users flagged as suspicious. they dont care who gets harmed, they took their fee, and their care of their customer ends

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November 14, 2023, 04:18:28 AM
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There are many tools to maintain privacy like mixers. Also, there are special privacy coins as well.

as @franky1 said using mixers to cover up your transactions will only make you look more suspicious and i agree with that considering that the government has labeled mixers as suspicious services and using these services makes you look suspicious.

and using a privacy coin will actually make your transactions more open, remembering that there is no such thing as a privacy coin because when the government forces developers to open access to their backdoors then they have to comply with this, like the sec did with monero.

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November 14, 2023, 05:06:37 AM
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there are a few methods of obfuscating the movements of funds that do not sound like "mixers".. but if you read any of the "privacy"/"mixer" topics on this forum, you do not see much discussion about innovating new tools to bypass regulated lists. instead you see mixer operators screaming that everyone should use their service more..
Why we need to find a new tools if mixer is the best way? there are many ways to protect privacy using Bitcoin, each way has it's pros and cons Your options to having privacy in Bitcoin - and their tradeoffs

Using a mixer and DEX are enough to make you stay private, except you're want to laundering your tainted coins where you need a sort of agreement.

and using a privacy coin will actually make your transactions more open, remembering that there is no such thing as a privacy coin because when the government forces developers to open access to their backdoors then they have to comply with this, like the sec did with monero.
Where did you read this? I have never read Monero developers give access or changing the code in order to comply with the regulations.

SEC did crackdown Monero, but it's only delisted from centralized exchanges.
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November 14, 2023, 05:22:30 AM
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   In general, digital privacy tools can be effective in protecting our identity and other activities in the digital world.  In addition to that,
the use of digital privacy tools depends on how they are used.

  There are other tools that are used to provide a high level of privacy. Just like using a VPN, it hides the real IP address. And the other is to provide a lower level of privacy, like ad blockers, to prevent cookies from tracking browser activity.

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But here comes the most intriguing question: is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?
You should first know that there is a difference between privacy and anonymity.
Anonymity is when you keep your identity private but not your actions. In that sense Bitcoin is anonymous, since by looking at a transaction on chain nobody can find your identity. The only way you'd lose that is if you join in a centralized service like CEX and willingly give them your identity through something like KYC which will associate your "actions" with your identity. Using a mixing technique improves that.
Privacy is when your actions remain hidden which is not possible in a transparent blockchain where every "action" is recorded publicly.

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The biggest challenge, in my opinion, lies in converting Bitcoin to cash while maintaining privacy. Transactions can be hidden in many ways, such as the ones you mentioned at the beginning. But we have to convert Bitcoin into cash in the end, and here lies the problem.

The available means of converting Bitcoin to Cash while maintaining privacy are very limited. There are P2P or via DEX that do not require KYC, but the rest of the central services are all unsafe.

We therefore seek to develop more secure, decentralized solutions to hide the trace of Bitcoin during the transfer process as well as when converting it to cash.

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there are a few methods of obfuscating the movements of funds that do not sound like "mixers".. but if you read any of the "privacy"/"mixer" topics on this forum, you do not see much discussion about innovating new tools to bypass regulated lists. instead you see mixer operators screaming that everyone should use their service more..
Why we need to find a new tools if mixer is the best way?

Using a mixer and DEX are enough to make you stay private, except you're want to laundering your tainted coins where you need a sort of agreement.

just your statements alone show you dont know enough

just the term "mixer" is not a default status of privacy..

the term "mixer" has no min standards. many "cheap" "fast" mixers do not actually obfuscate pattern recognition. they just shuffle inflows in one reserve and outflows in other reserve. where pattern recognition software can link the inflows and outflows
(being cheap means not many middle man tx spending to mix)
(being fast means no delay between inflow outflow)
(making it EASY for pattern recognition to link)

a service simply naming itself "mixer" already causes trigger warnings to analytics/pattern recognition tools to look closer at their operation

operators of mixers that dont want to rebrand.. dont care/lazy/not providing a good system. they just want to get rich doing little effort
operators of obfuscation/mixer services need to actually do things beyond a min effort

imagine this
imagine pedestrian security regulated that hopping along the sidewalk looked suspicious and can trigger a stop and search

imagine someone didnt want to leave a footprint on a sidewalk.. so purposefully employed a "hop" service to ride on someones back as they hop along the sidewalk. !! you will get noticed more !! - compared to all other pedestrians

people knowing that hopping is suspicious and then advertising that they offer hop services .. are morons asking for trouble.
they should think harder to offer a service that does not even sound like "hopping", where it does not leave a footprint(the customers desire). EG offer a tuktuk/bicycle service for customers to not set foot, leave THEIR footprint on the sidewalk

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November 14, 2023, 12:04:27 PM
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is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?
You can achieve a high level of privacy if you use privacy tools, but that alone isn't enough, because it is easy to de-anonymize yourself when you make a mistake. For example, using privacy tools and sending your coins straight into a centralized exchange does not make sense, because centralized exchanges are data farms, so you can't achieve privacy when you use their service.

For a better privacy, you have to use CoinJoin implementations, as well as decentralized exchanges, but if you do these without running your own node but connecting to third party servers, your ip addresses and BTC addresses would be exposed to whichever server you are connected to, so running your own node is also very important if you want to protect your privacy.

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November 14, 2023, 12:29:26 PM
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We all know that blockchain technology provides unmatched transparency by recording all transactions, but how can we maintain an appropriate level of privacy in this decentralized network?

Make use of a mixer if you needed a privacy, secondly you can make use of bitcoincore to run your own node, download it's software over Tor, privacy is very important in dealing with bitcoin transaction and as long as you're not using a centralized exchange.

Is it possible to guarantee anonymity in Bitcoin?

Yes, that's bitcoin privacy as well, the bitcoin network is know as a p2p network, there's more of anonymity in this regarding privacy and the kind of wallet you're using, you have the decision with yourself to anonymize your bitcoin or not


 

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November 14, 2023, 12:50:41 PM
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is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?
You can achieve a high level of privacy if you use privacy tools,

incorrect

something advertising buzzword "privacy" does not mean it achieves a high standard of anything
i can say i can offer you privacy and just shuv a box over your head

using a service just because it mentions the word "privacy" does not prove it achieves privacy

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incorrect
Nothing i said in my post is incorrect, and so much for taking a single line out of context without reading the entire post, just so you could use the word 'incorrect'. Privacy tools help to achieve a high level of privacy, but in addition with the other points i made in my post above, please read them. The privacy tools people decide to use is discussion for another topic and i can't spoon-feed people enough to always mention 'do your own research' before using a particular privacy tool.

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But here comes the most intriguing question: is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?


Achieving privacy becomes possible if we avoid services that demand KYC requirements. Keep in mind, with blockchain, once a record is written, it's permanently public. So, if we maintain anonymity and refrain from complying with KYC, even if others see our address, they won't know who it belongs to.

The problem arises when we do go through KYC. If we still want to keep our anonymity, which is already challenging, our only option is to use a mixer to blend our transactions, making it tough to trace. However, take note that while mixers make it difficult, it doesn't make it impossible to discover transaction origins. Therefore, it seems avoiding the KYC route is the most effective way to preserve our privacy in this context.

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But here comes the most intriguing question: is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?

If you are careful enough with your transactions and you care about your privacy as well, there is no way someone can find you just from your Bitcoin address. The problem is we use centralized services and we share our personal information in casinos, exchanges and other services. You have to keep them secret if you have never shared it online.

Never end up putting your crypto or bitcoin in centralized exchanges. Mixer and Coinjoin is already enough for people who cares about their privacy. I do not see any way to catch someone just from their Bitcoin address.

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Mixers are useful for making the money trail harder to follow, so people can't easily see where the cash originally came from.  But you gotta be realistic - these don't make you completely invisible.  If someone tries really hard or the tool has some kinda flaw, your identity might come out.  For better privacy, think about using the mixer along with other stuff focused on privacy, like using privacy-focused coins.

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November 14, 2023, 09:57:45 PM
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But here comes the most intriguing question: is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?

There was this time in the past when I had some tradable altcoin in my wallet and those coins were trading on a decentralized exchange, so I had to swap the coins for USDT. After I did that, I deposited those USDTs on one centralized exchange that doesn't require KYC. I bought some bitcoin from that exchange and repaid it back to my wallet.

From what I have explained so far, I don't really think I can be tracked to my identity as the owner of those bitcoins I purchased because I did not pass KYC on that exchange. You have talked about mixers and coinjoin, and I don't think there should be any other tool needed to be developed for privacy.

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November 15, 2023, 12:54:32 AM
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Is it possible to guarantee anonymity in Bitcoin?

Yes it is possible, I have three approach with this:

I use a seed exclusively to KYC transactions and other different seed exclusively for Non-KYC Transactions

All KYC are used only for regular payements were privacy is not a concern and when I get enough Balance on it (The KYC address) i used a Good Mixer for it Once that the balance is mixed almost five times i send it to my Non-KYC Seed.

All the Non-KYC outputs are send using only coin-join or stonewall

This means that through transactions they can reach a person in the form of tracking? He thought that he was very anonymous and that was what really worried the federal agencies, legal entities, not being able to find who did the ''theft''
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This means that through transactions they can reach a person in the form of tracking? He thought that he was very anonymous and that was what really worried the federal agencies, legal entities, not being able to find who did the ''theft''
By he, do you mean the quoted user above? Then yes. He mentioned using different seed/wallet to make transactions and a mixer to bridge one to the other. Personally, I don't think that will guarantee that any chain analysis company won't be able to break down the link, but it should take some time unless they use a terrible mixer. You should not expect privacy if you use any KYC-ed platform to begin with.

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By he, do you mean the quoted user above? Then yes. He mentioned using different seed/wallet to make transactions and a mixer to bridge one to the other. Personally, I don't think that will guarantee that any chain analysis company won't be able to break down the link, but it should take some time unless they use a terrible mixer. You should not expect privacy if you use any KYC-ed platform to begin with.
To understand common detection process of centralized exchanges to analyze on chain transactions, traces and discover tainted coins, OP can watch this Youtube video from Andreas Antonopoulos.

Bitcoin Q&A: Blacklists, Taint, and Wallet Fingerprinting

Use change address, use CoinJoin, mixers for transactions or privacy coins to enhance privacy of on chain transactions.

Some good decentralized exchanges, no KYC, can be used for privacy achievement too.
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But here comes the most intriguing question: is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?

While Mixer and CoinJoin contribute to increasing privacy in cryptocurrency transactions, it is crucial to acknowledge their limitations. Blockchain analytics techniques are constantly evolving, and complete anonymity cannot be guaranteed. Achieving complete privacy on a transparent blockchain poses significant challenges, emphasizing the importance of additional steps such as blending anonymization techniques into Bitcoin transactions. It is important to take care when using Bitcoin and contribute to preserving privacy. If you stay with these precautions and advanced technology in controversial situations, you may be able to preserve the privacy of your personal information and transactions.

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A tool that I have seen a lot and as a popular option is the use of Mixers (also known as tumblers) that allow transactions to be mixed and masked, making it difficult to track the origin and destination of funds.
Nothing guarantees anonymity, meaning there is always a risk and using a mixer service we have to trust someone because a mixer service has an owner who runs it.
In certain processes, working offline and using tools such as Tor to hide a computer's IP address are efforts to maintain a level of privacy.
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It's not bothering me since if we care about our identity, if it's going to be leaked, the number one source would be the government, since they all have our data.

There's no need to be alarm unless you're transferring a laundered money, or anything illegal. Also, there's a lot of transactions happening in the Blockchain and I doubt not every single of them will be monitored by a hacker or someone who wants to stole our identity. You can't even tell who's the owner of a certain wallet address unless you accidentally connected some personal information of yours somewhere in the internet.
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It's not bothering me since if we care about our identity, if it's going to be leaked, the number one source would be the government, since they all have our data.
But it's different if your personal information leaked through your government because there's no link you're a Bitcoin enthusiast (except you use CEX or leaving a trace you're a Bitcoin enthusiast), with your identity leaked through CEX where they know your face, location and how much coins you have.

I believe everyone care with their privacy including people who flex their wealth, mostly they do that for personal branding or work, so they don't have a choice.

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November 16, 2023, 02:37:15 PM
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There's no need to be alarm unless you're transferring a laundered money, or anything illegal.
Very wrong you are here.  I have a high need for Privacy and I am not laundering any thing other than my clothes.  Nor am I doing any thing illegal that I am aware of.

This type of response is why we are here today.  Privacy is not for criminals.  Privacy is a human right we should all be offered.  In theory.  Because reality is different and people call others out for wanting to cover up and go unseen.

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I doubt any of us has perfect Privacy even with the best tools used.  I doubt even many of the Monero users have perfect Privacy and Monero is a private Blockchain focused on just that.  Offering close to perfect Privacy for who needs it.  What we are doing is IMPROVING our Privacy using the tools we have at hand.  If an Authority some how gets to untangle Coin Joins and Mixers, they could do that with no need to publicly say so.  We are under risk of having our identity unveiled at any time and we would not even notice.

But by taking enough care.  We can make it less likely to find out about at least a part of what we have and do.

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Very wrong you are here.  I have a high need for Privacy and I am not laundering any thing other than my clothes.  Nor am I doing any thing illegal that I am aware of.
It seems that you regularly do laundry, do you also open a laundry service?  Grin Grin Grin

This type of response is why we are here today.  Privacy is not for criminals.  Privacy is a human right we should all be offered.  In theory.  Because reality is different and people call others out for wanting to cover up and go unseen.
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Quite interesting about the discussion of Privacy is a Human Right, as your account name "PrivacyG" emphasizes every data remains anonymous and there is no disclosure of Privacy by third parties.

Criminals seem to be most aware of privacy because their initial goal is to commit various crimes of fraud, money laundering, etc.
In theory, it looks perfect, but in reality, other people's data is used as protection for real privacy.

There is no perfect privacy today.
When we register at a bank, or register a phone number and the internet all of that requires detailed data.
But in the end, what is feared will happen is that a lot of data will be leaked that contains the identities of many people and even some are sold for the benefit of advertisers or some insurance offers.

It is impossible to achieve perfect privacy in today's digital age.

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November 16, 2023, 03:03:41 PM
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At first glance, maintaining privacy with bitcoin is easy. Don't associate your public addresses and transactions with your identity in any way and your privacy is guaranteed. How do they recognize who is behind that address, to whom and for what they sent a bitcoin. No way. But the problem is that in the process of receiving and purchasing bitcoin, one way or another, your personal information of one kind or another remains. Now it is impossible for an ordinary user (without expensive equipment) to mine bitcoin, that is, to directly receive bitcoin without intermediaries and become the original owner. One way or another, a money-to-bitcoin (or vice versa) transfer will be made. And this transition is the weak link.

At this stage, it seems to me that the privacy tools described above by OP should be quite sufficient (for now we have no alternatives). If only providers of services (these tools) for ensuring privacy don't accumulate, transfer, or lose data about their clients, which will nullify all their efforts to maintain their privacy.

Technologies don't stand still and I am sure that new tools will be created for this. It’s like the eternal struggle between shield and sword - ways of revealing the identity behind a specific address will progress, and ways of hiding this information will also progress.

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November 16, 2023, 06:51:26 PM
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Criminals seem to be most aware of privacy because their initial goal is to commit various crimes of fraud, money laundering, etc.
In theory, it looks perfect, but in reality, other people's data is used as protection for real privacy.
Maybe they seem to be the ones most aware of Privacy.  But there is no study to prove that more Privacy leads to more crime.  Studies about Monero and Bitcoin revealed there is not as much crime as it was thought to be among these Transactions.

Also it is not about hiding from something I am afraid I will be caught with.  Start learning about Privacy today and I guarantee you will be shocked to find out the things I did and will start being much more careful too.

You could have a contradictory argument with any body who is skeptical about my motives and it could last for hours with no end.  I always ask questions like Why do you close that bathroom door when you poop?  Are you snorting something behind the door or what is there to hide?  Why do you close your door when you are having sex if every thing you are doing is normal and moral?  Why do you not watch porn on loudspeaker, what is there to hide if you are watching legal porn?  And so on.  It could be infinite.  Many of the things we do, we like doing under our own Privacy.

In fact.  If we talk about Privacy then I will bring up this subject too.  Who is the bigger criminal, a Bitcoin user who hides their laundered thousands or Banks who are LEGAL institutions allowing TRILLIONS of suspicious Dollars to pass through?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bank-scandal-2020-2-trillion-transaction-suspected-illegal-activity-money-laundering/

They are using the illegal things they are doing against us all.  So even if I am innocent, I have to suffer.  The 'privileged' can however pass through Banks the money I would never be able to.

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But here comes the most intriguing question: is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?
First of all I personally think that bitcoin's decentralized system primarily protects privacy and anonymity. Here primarily a person can remain anonymous using Bitcoin if he can properly hide his privacy from others like Don't Reveal Bitcoin Address.
Moreover, Bitcoin Mixing Service plays a big role in remaining anonymous, it works much like erasing the footprint. Where transactions from one wallet to another are visible, the mixing tools provide a  veil on this. Things must be done in the right way because there are many mixers who have had their gateways seized due to money laundering. Moreover, I think these mixing tools can provide enough anonymity as per the current situation, but I would also say that there is no end to the improvement.

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November 16, 2023, 10:58:23 PM
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Greetings to all those passionate about the crypto world!

We all know that blockchain technology provides unmatched transparency by recording all transactions, but how can we maintain an appropriate level of privacy in this decentralized network?
Is it possible to guarantee anonymity in Bitcoin? There are several techniques, protocols and tools that seek to address this challenge, and I would love to explore them with you.

A tool that I have seen a lot and as a popular option is the use of Mixers (also known as tumblers) that allow transactions to be mixed and masked, making it difficult to track the origin and destination of funds. Another method that has recently gained attention is CoinJoin, where multiple transactions are grouped together and make it more difficult to track the final address of each one.

But here comes the most intriguing question: is the level of privacy provided by these tools enough to protect our identities and activities in the digital world? Or should we be focusing on developing new solutions and improvements to further safeguard our privacy in the Bitcoin ecosystem?


Mixers and CoinJoin is not enough...and ultimately if you are using a centralized exchange, there's no point in a lot of the measures you might take. There are some general principles you can follow to increase your chances of protecting your privacy:
- Ensure that your browser, network and system are privacy optimized. If you are leaking sensitive data, you will make a lot of your efforts redundant
- Ensure that your system is hardened. A weak system will open up vulnerabilities in regard to the latter, and to your general safety of funds.
- Mixers are one way to gain a level of privacy. Another is privacy focused protocols, like Monero. Or a combination of these if you want to go further.
- Using decentralized exchanges will prevent you from being stopped by KYC and other unfair checks that CEX'S constantly make.
- Using P2P services if you are interchanging fiat with crypto and vice versa. Platforms like AgoraDesk can enable this in a safe and escrowed environment.
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