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November 29, 2023, 10:42:04 PM
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Does it take THAT long to add a few Transactions to a Block?  Are a few seconds not enough for at least one of them to be included?
The mining pool still has to validate the entire previous block before adding even a single transaction to a new candidate block.

Let's say I validate the first 10% of the previous block. I then decide to add Transaction X to my new candidate block. How do I know Transaction X hasn't already been mined in the remaining 90% of the previous block? I don't. Is it worth risking the 6.25 BTC block reward for the few thousand extra sats I would gain from mining Transaction X, versus invalidating my entire block because Transaction X has already been mined?

Before adding a single transaction to my new candidate block I need to verify the entire previous block. It only takes a few seconds (or even less), but on occasion this is all that is needed to successfully mine an empty block.

not quite
most pools already validated most transactions to even get into the mempool. to already get into a block. so they dont need to do any validation on their own block.. its actually 2 other things
a. the exclusion of spent UTXO inputs of the UTXOSET and the inclusion of outputs into the UTXOSET
b. its also then ordering the mempool in feerate order and chosing candidate transactions which add upto the block limit of a candidate block

whats also happening is the asics dont sit idle waiting for a full block header to hash. they have been given a empty block blockheader which gives them a nonce+extra nonce range to work on before asking for extra work via a update of a blockheader. its those few seconds of mining a nonce+extra nonce range that takes longer then the pool making a full block template header to then send to asics

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November 29, 2023, 10:48:19 PM
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Block number 818960 was mined completely empty by Antpool recently.
At a time of very high transaction fees, we're having this issue again. A large pool like Antpool just sabotaging the protocol...
https://mempool.space/block/00000000000000000001cda8cd28d2a202898fa0b66a1d0a144f81fc1f8fb594

Yes, just a couple of weeks ago, ViaBTC mined a empty block as well: Block 817214.

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November 30, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
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Another one just now
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/blocks/btc/819056
Just a little over 2 hours apart from each other.
 https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/blocks/btc/819045

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November 30, 2023, 01:46:24 AM
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It seems to be mostly Antpool that mines these empty blocks.
Given that they have a similar hashrate to Foundry, shouldn't this be happening at a similar frequency between the two?

This makes me suspect that Antpool is doing this on purpose. I get that this blocks that came out empty were mined at a very close time proximity to the previous block by the same pool...
But couldn't they have mined in such a way that they would be able to confirm at least some transactions?
Well if it's only antpool mining such blocks these days maybe other pools found a way to prevent empty blocks!

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November 30, 2023, 01:57:15 AM
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Another one just now
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/blocks/btc/819056
Just a little over 2 hours apart from each other.
 https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/blocks/btc/819045
full                          empty
819055 >15 secs > 819056
819044 >05 secs > 819045

Block number 818960 was mined completely empty by Antpool recently.
At a time of very high transaction fees, we're having this issue again. A large pool like Antpool just sabotaging the protocol...
https://mempool.space/block/00000000000000000001cda8cd28d2a202898fa0b66a1d0a144f81fc1f8fb594

Yes, just a couple of weeks ago, ViaBTC mined a empty block as well: Block 817214.
full                          empty
818959 >09 secs > 818960
817213 >35 secs > 817214

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November 30, 2023, 03:31:43 AM
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Being that mining empty blocks is a normal thing, and that although there is a decreasing trend we can still expect a few more until the end of the year and about 100 or more next year, I hope that every time an empty block is mined the OP will not reopen a thread titled: "Here we go again...". For the mining of empty blocks, while it may seem surprising to someone who doesn't know much about the subject, it shouldn't be surprising to someone who registered on the forum in 2013.

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November 30, 2023, 03:43:50 AM
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while it may seem surprising to someone who doesn't know much about the subject, it shouldn't be surprising to someone who registered on the forum in 2013.

by the fact that someone from 2013 should be self sustainably wealthy after 2 reward halving events and 3 ATH events.. by the OP doing sig-spamming for small sat amounts.. i think it must be a newbie that bought an old account

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November 30, 2023, 03:52:24 AM
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Does it take THAT long to add a few Transactions to a Block?  Are a few seconds not enough for at least one of them to be included?
The mining pool still has to validate the entire previous block before adding even a single transaction to a new candidate block.

Let's say I validate the first 10% of the previous block. I then decide to add Transaction X to my new candidate block. How do I know Transaction X hasn't already been mined in the remaining 90% of the previous block? I don't. Is it worth risking the 6.25 BTC block reward for the few thousand extra sats I would gain from mining Transaction X, versus invalidating my entire block because Transaction X has already been mined?

Before adding a single transaction to my new candidate block I need to verify the entire previous block. It only takes a few seconds (or even less), but on occasion this is all that is needed to successfully mine an empty block.

this will become less and less as the rewards to fee ratios make it dumber and dumber after each ½ ing.

the shorts become stupid as fuck when the rewards are 0.39 vs fees of 0.50 around 2036

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November 30, 2023, 04:25:16 AM
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this will become less and less as the rewards to fee ratios make it dumber and dumber after each ½ ing.

the shorts become stupid as fuck when the rewards are 0.39 vs fees of 0.50 around 2036

4000000bytes with 50,000,000sats is 12500sat/kbyte
just wait for bitcoin spot market to multiply and people start paying 1250sat/kbyte and total fee become 0.05btc total
just wait for bitcoin spot market to multiply and people start paying 125sat/kbyte and total fee become 0.005btc total

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November 30, 2023, 04:46:45 AM
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Seems we get a post like this weekly. I remember reading about a similar block last week. I looked up the block Height and looked at the time and it was very close to the prior block.

This happens from time to time and it’s because it takes time to process the transactions and since they found the block already they can’t send new work to the pool because the nonce would be different so they send the empty block.

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