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December 28, 2023, 12:41:52 PM
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You only need to look at how slots are designed ... to understand how you are getting bamboozeled. I call it the "frog in the pot" scenario, where you slowly turn up the cooking temperature, so that the frog does not realize that he is being cooked.

Have you noticed how your money are drained over a long period, without you realy noticing it? You play.... lose a little, win a little ... but your balance slowly goes down over time... before you know it, it is all gone.. and you deposit again.

That's what happens a lot, they make another deposit when they have run out of the balance they have, because they are still curious about the gambling they are playing, even though they experience defeat, it won't make them stop there, but they will make another deposit again to play again and to get the winnings in gambling. I think all of that is because they themselves did it because they weren't or weren't satisfied with the results they got and that's what made them make another deposit.

It's a shame that they spend their money in vain,  with gambling that doesn't necessarily give them big wins, because in reality it only makes them lose a lot of their money.

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December 28, 2023, 07:23:05 PM
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You only need to look at how slots are designed ... to understand how you are getting bamboozeled. I call it the "frog in the pot" scenario, where you slowly turn up the cooking temperature, so that the frog does not realize that he is being cooked.

Have you noticed how your money are drained over a long period, without you realy noticing it? You play.... lose a little, win a little ... but your balance slowly goes down over time... before you know it, it is all gone.. and you deposit again.
And accordingly we need to keep track of the money we have spent while gambling to avoid falling into that scenario, because if you do not then it is easy to lose way more money than what you thought in a relatively short amount of time, but when people are having fun they hardly think about things like this and if this happens often enough that behavior could easily become a habit, and once an activity reaches that stage it is very difficult to stop yourself from doing it as now it has become one of your default responses when gambling.
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December 28, 2023, 07:34:37 PM
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But I think having a lot of busyness is one of the effective ways to avoid addiction, because as we know that the desire to gamble always comes from our minds so that when we have free time, our brains and minds will look for some activities that are quite interesting and one of them allows gambling to be an activity to fill time when the situation is like that. Although you think this method cannot fully minimize unwanted things such as addiction, for me this is one of the most effective ways because honestly I was able to recover from gambling addiction by adding several other activities in my life which certainly made my mind distracted from the attraction to gambling and slowly out of the addiction zone.


You are now about to talk about people who have become addicted, and that one of the attempts that can be tried to get rid of this bad habit (addiction to gambling) is to occupy their time with other things, especially the time in which they are accustomed to playing.
But when we want to diagnose cases at their beginning, it can be said that those who fall prey to gambling addiction are people who have mixed greed for profit without productivity with complete ignorance of the basics of mathematical probability. If he did not have these two characteristics in common, then he certainly would not have believed in imaginary fortunes that would make him spend his day gambling and collecting money for gambling.
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December 28, 2023, 07:42:20 PM
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But I think having a lot of busyness is one of the effective ways to avoid addiction, because as we know that the desire to gamble always comes from our minds so that when we have free time, our brains and minds will look for some activities that are quite interesting and one of them allows gambling to be an activity to fill time when the situation is like that. Although you think this method cannot fully minimize unwanted things such as addiction, for me this is one of the most effective ways because honestly I was able to recover from gambling addiction by adding several other activities in my life which certainly made my mind distracted from the attraction to gambling and slowly out of the addiction zone.


You are now about to talk about people who have become addicted, and that one of the attempts that can be tried to get rid of this bad habit (addiction to gambling) is to occupy their time with other things, especially the time in which they are accustomed to playing.
But when we want to diagnose cases at their beginning, it can be said that those who fall prey to gambling addiction are people who have mixed greed for profit without productivity with complete ignorance of the basics of mathematical probability. If he did not have these two characteristics in common, then he certainly would not have believed in imaginary fortunes that would make him spend his day gambling and collecting money for gambling.

This is why it would really be always best that you should really be avoiding gambling addiction at all cost because we know that its never been that something recommended that dealing up with gambling on extreme manner because addiction would really be that likely to happen of too much engagement. This is why you should really be that sensible on the things on what you are doing because once you do lost of track then there's no way that you could turn back.This is why as much as possible you should not let yourself that get addicted with gambling because you would really be messing up  your life so hard on which it comes into  a point that you would really be having hard time on breaking up and would be able to recover. If you dont like for it to happen then you must avoid as much as you could.

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December 29, 2023, 02:20:14 AM
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You are now about to talk about people who have become addicted, and that one of the attempts that can be tried to get rid of this bad habit (addiction to gambling) is to occupy their time with other things, especially the time in which they are accustomed to playing.
But when we want to diagnose cases at their beginning, it can be said that those who fall prey to gambling addiction are people who have mixed greed for profit without productivity with complete ignorance of the basics of mathematical probability. If he did not have these two characteristics in common, then he certainly would not have believed in imaginary fortunes that would make him spend his day gambling and collecting money for gambling.

This is why it would really be always best that you should really be avoiding gambling addiction at all cost because we know that its never been that something recommended that dealing up with gambling on extreme manner because addiction would really be that likely to happen of too much engagement. This is why you should really be that sensible on the things on what you are doing because once you do lost of track then there's no way that you could turn back.This is why as much as possible you should not let yourself that get addicted with gambling because you would really be messing up  your life so hard on which it comes into  a point that you would really be having hard time on breaking up and would be able to recover. If you dont like for it to happen then you must avoid as much as you could.

In my opinion, everyone has a way to be able to avoid themselves from gambling addiction and of course they can try some methods that are quite effective according to other people or mean that there are people who have tried it which in the end can really be useful to keep away from addiction or even cure themselves of gambling addiction. In my opinion, the process of healing gambling addiction really requires recognition from the gambler himself because as we know that gambling addiction lies in the wrong mindset in understanding gambling so that by admitting that you have entered the addiction phase then I think there will at least be some help from the people around you, especially the closest people such as family or friends who can provide some advice that you can certainly consider and try.

It is true friends that it is not easy and even for some people it is very difficult to get out of gambling addiction, none other than because as I said earlier that they have to fight the desires that come out of lust driven by excessive expectations of a victory which in fact is very difficult to get and maybe you will only get occasional wins at the expense of many defeats, so however we must be careful in this activity so as not to end up with addiction especially for gamblers who are new to getting involved.

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December 29, 2023, 09:43:34 AM
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Yes and that means that everyone has different experiences in each approach to gambling and maybe you are one of the people who is not too focused on looking for wins, especially in this type of slot gambling, but in my opinion lately more people are having problems. because of this type of gambling, because as we discussed earlier, this type of gambling can really easily lead gamblers into the addiction zone due to the many things that look very tempting there.

Putting the smallest amount or whatever, especially what we are able to account for, is indeed much better as you do, because usually gamblers always start actions beyond their control when they are unable to accept the result of losing in the sense that they put an amount they cannot accept to lose and Of course, after that, emotions will play a role and maybe you already know what they will do next, yes, that's right, after that they will do the action of chasing losses to reach the break-even point until finally they are trapped in a cycle like addiction. So preventive measures in any way, whether it's reducing the budget or reducing the time spent gambling, are really recommended for safety or at least minimizing the number of losses, yes that's right, everyone will definitely feel a winning situation and they just have to wait patiently.
If we talk about slot games, it can indeed make many people addicted because it is easy to play these slot games, and also gamblers can place low bets. They just have to press the spin button and wait for the results to come out and they can even buy bonus features that might provide big multipliers. This is where the attraction of slot games continues to make many gamblers addicted, especially when I saw on YouTube that many people gathered on one channel and watched the streamer play live.

We have to be careful when playing this type of gambling game because it can make us lose control and forget ourselves and can certainly result in big losses, as I have experienced in several slot games. There must be curiosity when we can't get a big multiplier or scatter, even though it almost hits us. We will try again and again until we can get it, but unfortunately, we won't be able to get it if we don't have luck. If we can't control ourselves well, it's only a matter of time before we will lose a lot of money and be forced to end the slot game because we have run out of money. That's why we have to have strong self-control when gambling and not lose a lot of money just because we want to chase a win that we don't know when we can get.

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December 29, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
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What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than lose as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.

Exactly, you said it all, gambling addiction can not be given good definition, this is because you see yourself doing things that ordinarily you won't do, that's why I feel that addiction starts most times when you make good fortunes in gambling, this will make you to go over and over again, I don't concur to what the op said, gambling is not about comprehending the terms called probability, you can still have a knowledge of probability and still fall victim of addiction, people found themselves being addicted necessarily because they have won but because of their eager to win back their lost money.

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December 29, 2023, 08:20:05 PM
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
We learn basics of probability at School and it doesn't need much brain to figure out that house edge gives advantage to casino, otherwise they would be very risky business and there wouldn't be any established casino, instead, they either collect money and close or would go bankrupt.
If someone can't do that and can't think that he/she can't get fun from gambling, then they just shouldn't don't gamble. If someone thinks about only winnings and completely ignores loses, that's not good either. Wins rigger your dopamine reward center, it's just a natural thing, doesn't matter whether you win a match in football or money in casino, when you realize the fact that you won something desirable, your brain rewards you via releasing dopamine. One can get addicted to sugar because our brain loves it, it's a quick source of energy and rewards us with dopamine. Everything depends on you, you shouldn't start eating excessive sugar, as you shouldn't start getting high from wins and completely ignore the loses that negatively affect your finances.
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December 29, 2023, 08:28:45 PM
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
We learn basics of probability at School and it doesn't need much brain to figure out that house edge gives advantage to casino, otherwise they would be very risky business and there wouldn't be any established casino, instead, they either collect money and close or would go bankrupt.
If someone can't do that and can't think that he/she can't get fun from gambling, then they just shouldn't don't gamble. If someone thinks about only winnings and completely ignores loses, that's not good either. Wins rigger your dopamine reward center, it's just a natural thing, doesn't matter whether you win a match in football or money in casino, when you realize the fact that you won something desirable, your brain rewards you via releasing dopamine. One can get addicted to sugar because our brain loves it, it's a quick source of energy and rewards us with dopamine. Everything depends on you, you shouldn't start eating excessive sugar, as you shouldn't start getting high from wins and completely ignore the loses that negatively affect your finances.
Really that all matters or depends on someones common sense but somewhat not all people would really be having that kind of automatic approach on things on which they wouldnt really be able to find out on what are those probabilities for things to happen if they would really be exerting too much time and effort or spending into it specially with gambling. We do know that once you do make yourself having that kind of mindset and involving money then this is where desperation would kick in specially if you would really be that tending to have  those kind of possible recovery about into those money that you have lost in gambling.
Gambling addiction starts on the time that you would be setting up your mind into those goals which arent that even realistic at all or something that cant be achieved.
If you do come up into such condition or idea then you should stop right away.

People do usually end up on falling into the pit just because of those wrong assumptions of things  which they do believe that it could really happen but totally not that possible in the end of the day.Be sensible
and be that responsible on the actions that you are making on which it would really be just that right that you would really be needing to have that kind adjustments basing up on what
you have observed. Its impossible that you cant really be able to make out such assessmement whether its that good or bad.

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December 29, 2023, 09:28:06 PM
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
We learn basics of probability at School and it doesn't need much brain to figure out that house edge gives advantage to casino, otherwise they would be very risky business and there wouldn't be any established casino, instead, they either collect money and close or would go bankrupt.
If someone can't do that and can't think that he/she can't get fun from gambling, then they just shouldn't don't gamble. If someone thinks about only winnings and completely ignores loses, that's not good either. Wins rigger your dopamine reward center, it's just a natural thing, doesn't matter whether you win a match in football or money in casino, when you realize the fact that you won something desirable, your brain rewards you via releasing dopamine. One can get addicted to sugar because our brain loves it, it's a quick source of energy and rewards us with dopamine. Everything depends on you, you shouldn't start eating excessive sugar, as you shouldn't start getting high from wins and completely ignore the loses that negatively affect your finances.

The brain indeed works according to what we do, and gambling isn't exempted. The brain only sends impulses toward the activities we most likely participate in each day. When a child wins an award in school and is rewarded by his parents he would try his best to win more. Hence in gambling, we shouldn't allow the brain to focus mainly on the activity alone or think that gambling is what we want at all time. If the gambler doesn't limit or control his gambling habit the brain would normalize sending dopamine which would lead the gambler to spend more time gambling. Thereby exposing him to gambling addiction. Why gambling is not advisable to be done consistently for such problems as addiction. Dopamine helps us in other aspects of life. Gamblers also need to understand a few rules of gambling you mentioned, on the house being in control. Since that is the case, gamblers are expected to reduce the rate at which they gamble, to stop sending such signals to the brain which can cause them to gamble more or have no meaningful rest.

The house also wants to earn through gamblers. Hence the competition is not a type to chase for, due to the repercussion. The human brain is sensitive to whatever action we practice, hence gamblers need to safeguard how they think about gambling. Having mood swings if they lose, affects the reaction of the brain each time the person loses something. Most gamblers transfer aggression due to excessive losses, which they've accumulated through gambling. It's a result of the type of message the person is forwarding to his brain. The impulses now become stronger and the gambler won't control it anymore. However mathematical probability helps the maths professional to understand exactly when to expect a win while gambling. The house programs its machines, with the help of a mathematician. Hence gamblers who have mastered probability to some level can be luckier than those who don't have such knowledge.

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December 29, 2023, 10:44:50 PM
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You only need to look at how slots are designed ... to understand how you are getting bamboozeled. I call it the "frog in the pot" scenario, where you slowly turn up the cooking temperature, so that the frog does not realize that he is being cooked.

Have you noticed how your money are drained over a long period, without you realy noticing it? You play.... lose a little, win a little ... but your balance slowly goes down over time... before you know it, it is all gone.. and you deposit again.
And accordingly we need to keep track of the money we have spent while gambling to avoid falling into that scenario, because if you do not then it is easy to lose way more money than what you thought in a relatively short amount of time, but when people are having fun they hardly think about things like this and if this happens often enough that behavior could easily become a habit, and once an activity reaches that stage it is very difficult to stop yourself from doing it as now it has become one of your default responses when gambling.

Yes maybe what you are suggesting is quite good by recording some of the money allocation on gambling for a reminder, but on the other hand you have also said something that is in accordance with the fact that it is very difficult to be able to do this, not very difficult but maybe not easy. And even if you can then I think there are still other possibilities that could be an indication for something much worse to happen, we must understand that we are human beings who have feelings and emotions, and it cannot be denied that there are always people who are easily provoked or provoked by emotions, the scenario is that it could be that when they see in their records that the number of losses is very large in a certain period of time then isn't there still a possibility for an idea to emerge that comes out of emotions such as chasing defeat? Of course things like that are still possible when someone is unable to accept defeat, after all losing money cannot be said to be okay even if you come just for fun.

Therefore I think if someone really  does not want to experience problems in his life, especially financial problems, it is better not to touch gambling at all, no matter what your goal is, after all there are still many other activities that can provide pleasure if your goal is for entertainment and without the risk of losing.


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December 30, 2023, 10:02:10 AM
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Yes and that means that everyone has different experiences in each approach to gambling and maybe you are one of the people who is not too focused on looking for wins, especially in this type of slot gambling, but in my opinion lately more people are having problems. because of this type of gambling, because as we discussed earlier, this type of gambling can really easily lead gamblers into the addiction zone due to the many things that look very tempting there.

Putting the smallest amount or whatever, especially what we are able to account for, is indeed much better as you do, because usually gamblers always start actions beyond their control when they are unable to accept the result of losing in the sense that they put an amount they cannot accept to lose and Of course, after that, emotions will play a role and maybe you already know what they will do next, yes, that's right, after that they will do the action of chasing losses to reach the break-even point until finally they are trapped in a cycle like addiction. So preventive measures in any way, whether it's reducing the budget or reducing the time spent gambling, are really recommended for safety or at least minimizing the number of losses, yes that's right, everyone will definitely feel a winning situation and they just have to wait patiently.
If we talk about slot games, it can indeed make many people addicted because it is easy to play these slot games, and also gamblers can place low bets. They just have to press the spin button and wait for the results to come out and they can even buy bonus features that might provide big multipliers. This is where the attraction of slot games continues to make many gamblers addicted, especially when I saw on YouTube that many people gathered on one channel and watched the streamer play live.

We have to be careful when playing this type of gambling game because it can make us lose control and forget ourselves and can certainly result in big losses, as I have experienced in several slot games. There must be curiosity when we can't get a big multiplier or scatter, even though it almost hits us. We will try again and again until we can get it, but unfortunately, we won't be able to get it if we don't have luck. If we can't control ourselves well, it's only a matter of time before we will lose a lot of money and be forced to end the slot game because we have run out of money. That's why we have to have strong self-control when gambling and not lose a lot of money just because we want to chase a win that we don't know when we can get.

Yes, that's true and it has been proven that the popularity of this type of gambling is increasing very quickly and is also very famous and it doesn't take long for casinos to make this type of gambling popular in the eyes of the public, especially in my country where almost the majority of people choose this type of gambling compared to some other games, none other than because it is true that slot gambling apart from being easy to access, on the other hand, makes people more interested in getting involved here because of the promise of a very big win which is usually 1000x the amount of the bet we place, but it is not easy. also to get it and that's what makes people easily addicted. That's right, plus now more and more streamers or influencers are promoting this type of gambling with some shows that look very tempting which of course makes many people even more curious and interested in getting the same wins as them.

It seems that what you feel is not much different from me in this type of slot game, the free spin bonus is always what every player is waiting for, because usually the maximum winnings are there but it is not easy to get it if we are far away from it. luck. In my opinion, many wins fail to occur there and gamblers only get the indications which of course makes us even more curious and it's true that if we don't have good self-control at all then obviously we will easily get carried away.

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