WHY PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING THEIR PRIVACY SERIOUSLY.

[AmoreJaz]

and in such environment it is not easy to convince people that they need to let go of some of that convenience so they can attain a higher level of security and privacy, especially when many people feel they do not really have anything to hide.

I am not trying to convince anyone, but it is good for people who want to use BTC to understand that it is different from fiat and centralized banks, some people try to use BTC like they are using their fiat bank, they store funds in centralized exchanges, they allow centralized exchanges to control their keys and use their money for fractional reserve scam. I think for such people it may be better for them to go on using fiat 'conveniently', than using BTC in that way, because they would probably lose their funds along the line and blame the network.

That's dope, Your thoughts regarding privacy make some sense. That people take their funds and keep them in the exchange, and they say that we use the decentralized ecosystem, but according to you, they keep their assets like fiat currency and banking, which is a big stupidity that you are also BTC holders. And if he is also placed in the centralized exchange, then, in my opinion, there can be no more foolishness than this; his example is like making a cat a watchman for meat. Scammers can also steal your funds from exchanges. So it means to take care of yourself. If you have a lot of money, then keeping it in a safe place is called the right privilege.

It means protecting privacy and using hardware wallets instead of centralized exchanges. Exchanges should not be trusted; even if it's Binance, they can't protect your funds either from themselves or from hackers, because just by being online, you can lose your funds if your security arrangements are not strong.

i am guessing up until, with all the hacking and issues that CEXs encountered throughout the years, still there are so many people storing their funds to the exchange for various reasons. one for example that i've read here in the forum is because of the rising fees, they will give directly their exchange address to save fees in transferring their money. well, that's understandable. but one should frequently check his exchange account as some exchanges will change the address you have. so if you are too late to be notified, you don't know if you can still get the money supposedly going to your account. aside from that, once you received your funds, better convert to whatever coin you want to or fiat, and get out from the exchange. send it to your own wallet where you have total control.

sometimes you need to sacrifice your privacy in order to get your funds in fiat. unless, you can find a trustworthy p2p app without kyc to convert your crypto to your fiat. this is why most crypto users can't escape the privacy thing because if you start using a reputable p2p service, you really need to submit kyc for you to use their services. otherwise, you are subjecting to high risk of being scammed. your choice!

[arabspaceship123]

It won't be easy for govts to take over privacy laws. There's human right defender organisations which fight for privacy laws. As a final outcome you'd expect govts to win but it won't be easy. It's going to take years for govts to abolish each law that's supposed to protect our privacies.

I'm sure ppl won't use decentralised mixers if they're banned. Any ppl caught using illegal services will be fined or face jail because they'll be involving themselves with crime so decentralised exchanges could go out of business. That hasn't happened but the future's uncertain.

Governments are increasing their surveillance efforts with the excuse of preventing (or minimizing) as much criminal activity (money laundering, tax evasion, terrorist financing) as possible. But we all know their real intentions. They will ultimately abolish privacy/anonymization techniques to prevent people from getting true financial freedom. Only government officials and bankers will be able to achieve privacy.

Even though governments won't be able to shut down decentralized mixers, most people won't dare to use something that's "banned" from mainstream use. Those who are caught mixing "behind the scenes", will either face fines or jail time. It's a dark future we're heading into. So prepare yourself for the worst.

[franky1]

It won't be easy for govts to take over privacy laws. There's human right defender organisations which fight for privacy laws.

even human rights do not give the right to privacy where governments cannot audit people.. read it

Article 29

    Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.

    In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

people have the right to privacy against other people.. but not to the laws of government

and now you know why "anti money laundering and anti terrorism" clauses of keeping public order, welfare and morality allow governments to audit peoples finances

[DubemIfedigbo001]

Imagine people calling you a criminal for not keeping your money in the bank, instead you choose to keep it in Bitcoin, the next question they will throw at your face is what do you have to hide?

This is part of my own very story, it is easier for people to think that you have something you are hiding when you choose a different part, but I am very glad that Bitcoin transactions are very transparent. 

This is why I don't talk ill about those who use mixers, not all of them are criminals and they have their tangible reasons for choosing to hide their transactions, I choose to get away from my government, I don't want the bank to know my real worth, I don't want them to monitor my life and finance, this was why I choose Bitcoin, but in the eye of the government, why wouldn't they believe that I have something to hide?

I believe there are criminals everywhere, not just in the crypto space. Even banks in  all their  assumed exposure are still been hacked and use funds Catered away  sometimes without trace for a long period of time.

These are just deliberate attacks on bitcoin because it promises freedom from government interference. I love living a private life and if using mixers and other services gives me that satisfaction, then why wouldn't I use it?.

Criminals are everywhere and I believe if any parastatal wants to track fraudulent activities, they can track it, even down to mixers as the case may be and not generalizing about the whole thing being fraud. Bitcoin  supports privacy and people should embrace it. That's freedom which the government doesn't want you to have and are afraid to let you have it.

[barto123]

privacy should be a top priority for everyone. it is a basic human right. privacy is security.

anyone who is attacking privacy is likely in the super rich club helping to push agenda 2030. that fact jack dorsey isn't mining whirlpool blocks tells me he's a paid actor, he's not in the interest of the people. sure he's a great advocate for bitcoin, the way elon is a great advocate for freedom. watch what they do, not what they say.

the reason most people say things like - "I have nothing to hide" "privacy is for criminals" is because there's been trillions of dollars spent to make you think that way. you've been programmed your whole life through your parents, school, TV, hollywood etc. your entire belief system has been installed into you (the matrix).

2023 is the year you think for yourself. you're been deceived beyond belief.

I made a thread here, lots of good replies:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474892.0

[Blitzboy]

Imagine people calling you a criminal for not keeping your money in the bank, instead you choose to keep it in Bitcoin, the next question they will throw at your face is what do you have to hide?

This is part of my own very story, it is easier for people to think that you have something you are hiding when you choose a different part, but I am very glad that Bitcoin transactions are very transparent. 

This is why I don't talk ill about those who use mixers, not all of them are criminals and they have their tangible reasons for choosing to hide their transactions, I choose to get away from my government, I don't want the bank to know my real worth, I don't want them to monitor my life and finance, this was why I choose Bitcoin, but in the eye of the government, why wouldn't they believe that I have something to hide?

I believe there are criminals everywhere, not just in the crypto space. Even banks in  all their  assumed exposure are still been hacked and use funds Catered away  sometimes without trace for a long period of time.

These are just deliberate attacks on bitcoin because it promises freedom from government interference. I love living a private life and if using mixers and other services gives me that satisfaction, then why wouldn't I use it?.

Criminals are everywhere and I believe if any parastatal wants to track fraudulent activities, they can track it, even down to mixers as the case may be and not generalizing about the whole thing being fraud. Bitcoin  supports privacy and people should embrace it. That's freedom which the government doesn't want you to have and are afraid to let you have it.

Indeed, criminals lurk in every corner. Cyber heists, which target banks and show how common theft is, happen all the time. This is not only about Bitcoin; it's also about power in general. Governments are afraid of Bitcoin's promise of freedom, so they often portray it as a place where bad things happen. Why? Because it threatens their power.

Its your right to use mixers for privacy. It gives you power over your own data, which is something that the traditional financial system often takes away. Bitcoin is more than just money; its a sign of defiance against overreach. The government has good reason to be afraid of Bitcoin. It gives people power and freedom that worries old power structures.

We do need to remember, though, that great power comes great duty. Bitcoin isnt a way to hide illegal actions; its a way to free up your money. Some people who abuse it shouldnt take away from its promise.

[GbitG]

Indeed, criminals lurk in every corner. Cyber heists, which target banks and show how common theft is, happen all the time. This is not only about Bitcoin; it's also about power in general. Governments are afraid of Bitcoin's promise of freedom, so they often portray it as a place where bad things happen. Why? Because it threatens their power.

Its your right to use mixers for privacy. It gives you power over your own data, which is something that the traditional financial system often takes away. Bitcoin is more than just money; its a sign of defiance against overreach. The government has good reason to be afraid of Bitcoin. It gives people power and freedom that worries old power structures.

Illegal acts exist outside of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is just a peer-to-peer network that is decentralized. It's not Bitcion's fault that people are misusing it. The government is afraid that because of its decentralized nature, crime and illegal activities will increase, but this is not the case; illegal activities also happen outside of Bitcoin. The government's main objective is to defame Bitcoin and save its fiat currency; it just wants to defame Bitcoin by making false accusations so that Bitcoin becomes less popular among people and people consider it a useless eco system.
 
And as for Mixer, I think the foundation of Mixcer is based on Anynomus, and now it is said about Mixcer on BitcoinTalk that the US government wants to make KYC mandatory for Mixer, but this is wrong. This government is forcibly interfering in these matters because they don't want people to stop acting like this. It's meant that no one has to do anything without the eyes of their government, but this will not be possible. People know that Bitcoin is a better and more valuable thing.

[Abiky]

It won't be easy for govts to take over privacy laws. There's human right defender organisations which fight for privacy laws. As a final outcome you'd expect govts to win but it won't be easy. It's going to take years for govts to abolish each law that's supposed to protect our privacies.

I'm sure ppl won't use decentralised mixers if they're banned. Any ppl caught using illegal services will be fined or face jail because they'll be involving themselves with crime so decentralised exchanges could go out of business. That hasn't happened but the future's uncertain.

Exactly. While most people will avoid decentralized mixers out of fear, that doesn't mean it's the end of the world. There will be a small few using and supporting these services secretly. All that matters is that people obtain financial privacy whenever governments approve it or not. Wasn't the whole point of Bitcoin about eliminating the middleman? Both banks and governments are the anti-thesis of crypto/Blockchain tech.

Most people don't understand this because they're only focused on filling their pockets with money. They let "Wall Street" dictate the rules of the game, instead of letting crypto (particularly Bitcoin) achieve its full potential. I guess greed goes above all else. Governments will continue to increase their surveillance efforts with the hopes of curtailing privacy in the long run. The question is: Will you allow the government to take away your privacy rights?

[arabspaceship123]

That's what sig campaigns does because ppl are in sigs for money to fill their pockets. They don't keep checks on important things in crypto like helping bitcoin to be free from govt control. If ppl were speaking with one voice they'd advocate strong bitcoin adoption but ppl will stand aside while their privacy's taken away.

Most people don't understand this because they're only focused on filling their pockets with money. They let "Wall Street" dictate the rules of the game, instead of letting crypto (particularly Bitcoin) achieve its full potential. I guess greed goes above all else. Governments will continue to increase their surveillance efforts with the hopes of curtailing privacy in the long run. The question is: Will you allow the government to take away your privacy rights?

[Casdinyard]

[the all caps is just to get attention, this is not a rant.]

In case you missed the news, Ocean Mining ran by Jack Dorsey, luke-jr, Giacommo Zummo and some other folks are refusing to mine Samourai whirlpool transactions. But this thread is not about that. This thread is about this tweet:



Why do people think that coordinators, mixers, coinjoin software, etc.  have something to hide?

Would you sow anyone your bank account transactions just because they want to see? Is it any of their business?

People are not taking their blockchain privacy seriously enough. It wasn't too long ago that FTX users' financials were exposed in a hack!

(And follow me on X/Twitter )

I think it's less about the fact that they don't care about their privacy, after all for a regular bloke who wouldn't go out of their own way to create numerous transactions in a day, the current system that the cryptocurrency world is built in is already safe and secure as it is. And as I said, it's less about the lack of care for safety and privacy, and more about the fact that these platforms you mentioned are not only being used for privacy, but to also wash dirty money and obscure hackers and scammers. At the end of the day to the government every sliver of risk is more than enough indication that something deserves to be investigated and if in any case found to be perpetrating such acts, be banned from being used.

It's just the way things go in the land of the free home of the whopper, and some other countries that affiliate themselves with Murica. We got no choice but to really deal with it at this point and in bitcointalk's case, relinquish any affiliation with such platforms to save this site from getting the brunt of the blow as well.

[franky1]

the issue with this topic is..
many people do care about their privacy and know how to remain private

however there are a small group of "mixer" affiliate/advertisers that think that mixers aid privacy

the reality is that its a known researchable FACT that using mixers invades people privacy because they are put into a watchlist.. thus doing the opposite of aiding privacy
tose who dont want to be watched/logged/investigated should not be using tools that will end up having their utxo's added to watchlists(common sense)

however this group of mixer affiliates do not care about users real privacy, they simply want to fool people into using mixers so that mixers get paid to then pay their advertisers.

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there are many many ways to remain private without advertising yourself to be added to a hotlist of people to follow