Getting something clear about the trust system

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Seasonal greetings to everyone. I have some misunderstandings about something i need clarification. So, for example, we have member A and member B.  If member A uses the trust system to give member B any of the trust,. If member A's account is banned in the future, what will happen to the trust he gave to member B? Will it still be there?

Also, if two members are in an argument or disagreement,. Can they use the trust system to tag each other's arguments just to tarnish each other's reputations? Something like an emotional use of the trust system, whether positive, neutral, or negative. Is it allowed in the forum?

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[Zaguru12]

Seasonal greetings to everyone. I have some misunderstandings about something i need clarification. So, for example, we have member A and member B.  If member A uses the trust system to give member B any of the trust,. If member A's account is banned in the future, what will happen to the trust he gave to member B? Will it still be there?

Yes everything on that banned user account will still be there including merit and trusts either negative or positive or even neutral. The only thing that I think happens to a ban user account is that they cannot post or engage anymore on the forum.

Also, if two members are in an argument or disagreement,. Can they use the trust system to tag each other's arguments just to tarnish each other's reputations? Something like an emotional use of the trust system, whether positive, neutral, or negative. Is it allowed in the forum?

That is a very bad use of the trust system. The trust system is use to give reviews about someone capablities in either keeping the forum clean, helping others or someone you have done a business here with and you feel he is capable of handling such things should another clients comes asking. It is also a way of review to also warn people of some users illicit dealings. Using emotions to give trust only gets you into some members distrust list or even negative trust feedbacks because they feel you can’t control it and did it for retaliation.

[BenCodie]

Bans do not effect the existence of posts, trust ratings, or any other data. Bans are put in place to limit the future use of the forum, rather than erasing past use. Banned members will not be able to post, leave trust ratings, or make any new content from the moment they are banned onward.

It is common for members to retaliate when a negative trust rating is left. It is best to only leave a negative reputation if you can prove what you are saying with a strong reference, so that other members can support you in the event that the other member retaliates. If the other member retaliates with no justification, it will only reduce the validity of their trust ratings in the future, as members will see the invalid rating and distrust their judgement via trust settings (~username).

If anyone uses the trust system in an emotional way, usually their feedback/judgement is distrusted quite quickly. There are some exceptions unfortunately, as the trust system is not perfect.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

If member A's account is banned in the future, what will happen to the trust he gave to member B? Will it still be there?

Yes, the trust will remain their.

Also, if two members are in an argument or disagreement,. Can they use the trust system to tag each other's arguments just to tarnish each other's reputations? Something like an emotional use of the trust system, whether positive, neutral, or negative. Is it allowed in the forum?

No, that's not a right thing to do, the trust system was not introduced to serve as a weapon of war against members. If any members does that, it will be seen as an abuse of the trust system and such member is not fit to become a DT member.

[_BlackStar]

Seasonal greetings to everyone. I have some misunderstandings about something i need clarification. So, for example, we have member A and member B.  If member A uses the trust system to give member B any of the trust,. If member A's account is banned in the future, what will happen to the trust he gave to member B? Will it still be there?

Positive and negative tags will still be stored in user B's profile - but whether or not they appear ^[trusted] depends on whether user A is DT or not.

Also, if two members are in an argument or disagreement,. Can they use the trust system to tag each other's arguments just to tarnish each other's reputations? Something like an emotional use of the trust system, whether positive, neutral, or negative. Is it allowed in the forum?

In such cases - both users may abuse each other's DT powers based on their functionality. I tend to agree that they use trust lists rather than DT powers if they no longer trust each other.

[suchmoon]

Also, if two members are in an argument or disagreement,. Can they use the trust system to tag each other's arguments just to tarnish each other's reputations? Something like an emotional use of the trust system, whether positive, neutral, or negative. Is it allowed in the forum?

Read LoyceV's excellent guide about using the trust system: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802

Being "allowed" is not the only thing to consider here.

Edit: corrected the link

[Vod]

Also, if two members are in an argument or disagreement,. Can they use the trust system to tag each other's arguments just to tarnish each other's reputations? Something like an emotional use of the trust system, whether positive, neutral, or negative. Is it allowed in the forum?

No, that's not a right thing to do, the trust system was not introduced to serve as a weapon of war against members. If any members does that, it will be seen as an abuse of the trust system and such member is not fit to become a DT member.

This is not true at all.   Look at my signature - the DT member had kept my negative trust on because he thought I was dead and couldn't contest it.  He removed it after I no longer bothered him.   The owner of the trust system does not see this as abuse so everyone who ignorantly trusts him doesn't either.  

[bananaunana]

Seasonal greetings to everyone. I have some misunderstandings about something i need clarification. So, for example, we have member A and member B.  If member A uses the trust system to give member B any of the trust,. If member A's account is banned in the future, what will happen to the trust he gave to member B? Will it still be there?

Trust entries will stay as long as an account is in DT.
But a banned account might lose DT1 status because for DT1, to be eligible, posts need to be written:

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I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:

 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.

Not being able to post is only affecting DT1.
After dropping out of DT1 due to inactivity, account will still be DT2 member, of course...

[digaran]

This excellent guide to use the trust system properly, appears to be missing or inaccessible for me.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51918 , is this a joke or am I missing something?

Also, if two members are in an argument or disagreement,. Can they use the trust system to tag each other's arguments just to tarnish each other's reputations? Something like an emotional use of the trust system, whether positive, neutral, or negative. Is it allowed in the forum?

*of course it's allowed, but at the same time disallowed, though deciding on which standard to follow is up to the DT members and not the forum itself. For instance, as long as one side of argument is either me or a non DT member, it's totally OK to call us scammers, liars etc, but if a ring kisser DT gets tagged, the skies will start falling and everyone will persuade the tagger to remove their tag. It's called double standard and you can easily identify who they are.

In other words, you are either here for a paid per post job, which will end your career when you get tagged, or you have other things in mind. But the lesson here is:

There will be consequences no matter what
*= I used this opportunity to bitch about my self, sue me.😉

[suchmoon]

This excellent guide to use the trust system properly, appears to be missing or inaccessible for me.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51918 , is this a joke or am I missing something?

Sorry, something went wrong in copypasta... the link is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802

*of course it's allowed, but at the same time disallowed, though deciding on which standard to follow is up to the DT members and not the forum itself.

Almost correct, except it's up to anyone (not just DT members) to decide what the "standard" is. Anyone can have a custom trust list and choose which trust ratings they want to see by default.

Having a DT-red rating does not prevent you from participating in the forum as we can see. It doesn't even prevent you from sig-spamming so the only complaint you can possibly have is that it's easier for a casual observer to see all your clownfuckery when there are reference links to it on your trust page. Perhaps not great for you but good for the forum as a whole.

[Gladitorcomeback]

Seasonal greetings to everyone. I have some misunderstandings about something i need clarification. So, for example, we have member A and member B.  If member A uses the trust system to give member B any of the trust,. If member A's account is banned in the future, what will happen to the trust he gave to member B? Will it still be there?

As long as the member remains DT member (DT1 and DT2) the trust will be still available here. Anyway you can see the DT status in Bpip
 https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Username

Also, if two members are in an argument or disagreement,. Can they use the trust system to tag each other's arguments just to tarnish each other's reputations? Something like an emotional use of the trust system, whether positive, neutral, or negative. Is it allowed in the forum?

Yes they can gives but it can be challenged in the reputation sectioned and if the reason is not enough to reach forum rules than DT membership is also in dangers as many of other DT member will remove him from their trust list due to bad use of his trust power.

[Mia Chloe]

Seasonal greetings to everyone. I have some misunderstandings about something i need clarification. So, for example, we have member A and member B.  If member A uses the trust system to give member B any of the trust,. If member A's account is banned in the future, what will happen to the trust he gave to member B? Will it still be there?

Of course it will. A ban or inactive account doesn't remove a users previous action on the forum. It only prevents the user from being able to access the forum via that account, as they may still be able to surf to an extent without logging in.

Also, if two members are in an argument or disagreement,. Can they use the trust system to tag each other's arguments just to tarnish each other's reputations? Something like an emotional use of the trust system, whether positive, neutral, or negative. Is it allowed in the forum?

This has always been a topic with a couple of cases. This is definitely an improper use of trust system and the forum is against it. It isn't right to give trusts due to emotion or argument besides the fact that our ideas are as different as our usernames. But the truth is certain members do give trusts based on these aspects but it ought not to be so.

[348Judah]

Seasonal greetings to everyone. I have some misunderstandings about something i need clarification. So, for example, we have member A and member B.  If member A uses the trust system to give member B any of the trust,. If member A's account is banned in the future, what will happen to the trust he gave to member B? Will it still be there?

It will remain there, the trust system is programmed to work that way, even if the person dies, nothing will change about the merit ratings left on you, each person will be accountable to himself, the only conditions that can kicked the review left invalid is when the banned account was also removed from the trust list of every DT members who trusted him, that will make his own judgement irrelevant.

Also, if two members are in an argument or disagreement,. Can they use the trust system to tag each other's arguments just to tarnish each other's reputations? Something like an emotional use of the trust system, whether positive, neutral, or negative. Is it allowed in the forum?

That's a complete abuse on the trust system, if you're giving a trust, you must back it up with a reference link ideally to make it clear to everyone the reason for doing that, retaliation trust ratings is an abuse.

[MFahad]

Seasonal greetings to everyone. I have some misunderstandings about something i need clarification. So, for example, we have member A and member B.  If member A uses the trust system to give member B any of the trust,. If member A's account is banned in the future, what will happen to the trust he gave to member B? Will it still be there?

Also, if two members are in an argument or disagreement,. Can they use the trust system to tag each other's arguments just to tarnish each other's reputations? Something like an emotional use of the trust system, whether positive, neutral, or negative. Is it allowed in the forum?

while it is a bad ethic for people to use the forum's trust system and try to destroy people's reputation just because of their personal differences in opinions and agreement. but I've seen so many cases like that in this forum.
so yes people can and have been doing this. it is called trust abuse according to forum rules.
Member B can appeal against that trust abuse (but I never seen any forum dmins modifying anyone's trust reviews (so the feedback will still be there in member B's profile) but another member can give Member B a positive review to encounter that negative feedback.

[nakamura12]

The trust system has nothing to do with the user being banned. The trust feedback would still remain. Trust system is what will help us determine if we can trust that member A or member B. There's no point in using trust system if the feedback will get erased if the member who give that trust feedback is banned. Even the account that is no longer used either abandoned or the owner died then the trust is still there. The only way that it can be removed is when the member who sent it will delete the feedback.