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February 04, 2024, 09:45:48 AM
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I still don't understand why one would prefer owning an ETF rather than holding the true thing (Bitcoin).

This article claims the main reasons for choosing bitcoin ETFs over regular bitcoin investment is outsourcing security risks, for tax reasons, or for more advantageous fee structure. I would also add investor compensation schemes. If you lose your keys, you're screwed. If Blackrock loses your keys, well, you might still get lucky and get refunded.
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February 04, 2024, 11:59:57 AM
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I certainly prefer Bitcoin to a Bitcoin ETF, but I can see the appeal of going down that road for some people. If you're a traditional investor who is used to centralized platforms, contracts, and things like that, going with an ETF can be more familiar and can feel more reliable. So I think it's tailored to people who invest in other things like bonds and stocks but want to expand to Bitcoin. They don't want to worry about how Bitcoin works, how not to lose access to your coins, which platforms to use when you want to sell your coins, etc. Going with a big fund can eliminate some of those concerns.

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February 04, 2024, 12:33:21 PM
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I certainly prefer Bitcoin to a Bitcoin ETF, but I can see the appeal of going down that road for some people. If you're a traditional investor who is used to centralized platforms, contracts, and things like that, going with an ETF can be more familiar and can feel more reliable. So I think it's tailored to people who invest in other things like bonds and stocks but want to expand to Bitcoin. They don't want to worry about how Bitcoin works, how not to lose access to your coins, which platforms to use when you want to sell your coins, etc. Going with a big fund can eliminate some of those concerns.

Not to forget: If you deal with a major well established company, preferredly too big to fail, then the government possiblyy will step in to keep this company going if there are operational issues

If you are dealing with a kind of Start UP and things go wrong, then you will likely have to chase your money through the courts on your own expense..... FTX case in point.....
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February 04, 2024, 01:40:32 PM
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I certainly prefer Bitcoin to a Bitcoin ETF, but I can see the appeal of going down that road for some people. If you're a traditional investor who is used to centralized platforms, contracts, and things like that, going with an ETF can be more familiar and can feel more reliable. So I think it's tailored to people who invest in other things like bonds and stocks but want to expand to Bitcoin. They don't want to worry about how Bitcoin works, how not to lose access to your coins, which platforms to use when you want to sell your coins, etc. Going with a big fund can eliminate some of those concerns.

Not to forget: If you deal with a major well established company, preferredly too big to fail, then the government possiblyy will step in to keep this company going if there are operational issues

If you are dealing with a kind of Start UP and things go wrong, then you will likely have to chase your money through the courts on your own expense..... FTX case in point.....

FTX is just a small exchange and nothing compared to investment funds with trillions of dollars in capitalization like Grayscale, Blackrock and iShares...Have you ever wondered why big investors with billions of dollars only trust those big investment funds and never trust small exchanges like Binance or FTX ? 

As for risks, everything has risks and each person will have the right choices for themselves . Holding real bitcoins in a non-custodial wallet also has risks , it is not absolutely safe as you think.

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February 04, 2024, 02:10:42 PM
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Why buy something less in control and more expensive when you can own the real deal? I hear the argument: "ETFs bring Bitcoin to scaredy-cats who don't trust crypto." Comfort zone, I get it. But isn't Bitcoin all about ditching the traditional system, man? ETFs seem like watering down the rebellion.

Maybe folks choose ETFs 'cause they're scared of the real deal, or maybe they just like things neat and tidy within the usual investment stuff. Whatever the reason, as a true Bitcoin believer, ETFs ain't your jam. You're all about direct ownership, where the real Bitcoin magic happens.

Look, there's no right or wrong here. It's all about what feels right for you. Just remember, both ways have their pros and cons. Direct ownership? Badass control, but gotta keep those coins safe yourself. ETFs? Familiar and regulated, but you gotta trust someone else with your Bitcoin.

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February 04, 2024, 02:32:34 PM
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So it’s only going to be found in one type of retirement plan ATM and that’s IRAs. Which of course your company has nothing to do with (there are odd outliers that are very rare). But there’s going to be a heck of a lot of people who will buy these BTC ETFs in them. I’ve probably helped explain how to properly store btc to clients maybe 100 times in the past 3-4 years, and never do they go out and buy a hardware wallet and follow proper direction. They just leave the coins in their CONbase accounts, Binance etc,  So it goes to show these ETFs inside IRAs should be very popular for ease of purchase/storage and as you mentioned..tax advantages.



Yup this. IRAs is where people can now invest in Bitcoin for retirement. And by later this decade there will likely be millions of people doing this. Other retirement accounts are 'managed' and they only give you certain things to invest in. I only had a 401k to invest in for a few months but I could only choose from maybe a couple dozen things to invest in, so yeah BTC ETFs are not going to be in any of those until Bitcoin is WIDELY considered a digital gold, hard money, store of value, so maybe in like 20 years realistically. As long as the 4 year market cycle exists and there are big bitcoin crashes there is zero chance any managed retirement fund is going to let people buy BTC ETFs.


But yeah like you said, and it'll probably take a while, but there are eventually going to be a heck of a lot of people getting into Bitcoin through this. Eventually there's gonna be numerous millions of Americans putting ya know like $50 per paycheck into Bitcoin ETFs for decades through their IRAs. If let's say in ten years there's 10 million Americans putting $50 per paycheck into BTC ETFs through their IRAs, that's $13 billion a year. That's a sizable amount of money that would be flowing in. And of course that's just one segment of the market that will be buying these ETFs.
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There are many altcoins on the market that are considered very reputable and reputable, but there is no 100% guarantee that they are safe and will never turn out to be scams. Altcoin and bitcoin ETFs, I still think bitcoin ETFs are safer.
Well, that's a valid concern but I think their are some good altcoins which won't run away with someone's money. I'm talking about coins like Monero, Lite Coin, Ethereum that have been active on the market for many years and have huge marketcap.

Those coins are some good coins in my eyes but surely everyone has differing opinion about altcoins and some people really can't trust altcoins at any cost. I haven't yet lost my money that I use to buy those altcoins but surely the ones who bought Luna when it was on rise have lost enough money by holding it.

That's why I prefer to hold only those altcoins that have been active on market for long term because those can be somewhat safe than the newer ones.

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