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March 29, 2024, 10:56:05 AM
Last edit: March 30, 2024, 10:57:49 AM by JollyGood
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How far away are we from that point, I think it is borderline happening already but with the help of human intervention proof reading. If a super-spammer wants to do it, eventually they will be noticed but if it is done more carefully and not automatically posted but a human proof reads the work to add a human touch to it, then becomes a little less detectable.

There are already huge accounts farmers operating in the forum, they have been for many years. They are beginning to change behaviours to adapt to the modern system (bots, AI, etc) and when one changes their style, others will follow. What will happen to the account farmers when one account gets caught? Nothing. They will continue to post with the other accounts until they get caught and in the interim will continue to create new accounts.

I wonder what percentage of active accounts in the previous 3 months are using AI and if it were possible to know, to use that as a comparator to the same period one year ago. That would be an interesting statistic.

What I fear about this is that the day will come when you will be able to tell an AI: "write a text about X but that it cannot be detected as written by an AI" and it will do it correctly, in an undetectable way. Then account farmers like this will be able to make gold, although I don't know what effect it will have on everything globally. For example, if when visiting a forum you can't be sure whether you are talking to humans or to text massively written by AIs, I don't know if people will lose interest in the forums.

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March 29, 2024, 11:39:36 AM
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JollyGood you are trying from your end but calm down. Your blood is hot and the temperature is high but calm down, in a community the good and the bad are always in mixed reaction. That bad which are the defaulters also say they are right and refuse to take correct from the good ones which are the experts and borovichok was one of the bad who refused to take advice and corrections. Chances were given to him but he gave all deaf ears and today the results is clear. There was no way borovichok stopped the using of AI and people would be accusing him of continues using of AI even they are not using the right tools as he said in one the threads.

 I really like your compilation. You did your part for him to stop the using of the AI to post but all was no avail. And today he has resigned from the campaign and also asked the admin to deactivate the account in the forum and that means the account will be dormant from any moments from now. Therefore there should be no too much input on the issue again but all these will be a reference materials in the future. nutildah has also tried on this case. I have read threads and comments on this particular case and finally you removed the red tag and that means that you were not even interested with red flag but to warned.
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March 29, 2024, 12:55:47 PM
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JollyGood you are trying from your end but calm down. Your blood is hot and the temperature is high but calm down, in a community the good and the bad are always in mixed reaction.
You are mistaken, there is no hot blood nor high temperature from my side therefore there is no need to calm down  Grin

I really like your compilation. You did your part for him to stop the using of the AI to post but all was no avail. And today he has resigned from the campaign and also asked the admin to deactivate the account in the forum and that means the account will be dormant from any moments from now. Therefore there should be no too much input on the issue again but all these will be a reference materials in the future. nutildah has also tried on this case. I have read threads and comments on this particular case and finally you removed the red tag and that means that you were not even interested with red flag but to warned.
It has taken a long time for him to give up on the borovichok account and in that process he enrolled on to the Stake campaign and with that had a regular income stream. Fortunately that too is now part of the referenced materials.

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March 30, 2024, 04:08:00 AM
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... but if it is done more carefully and not automatically posted but a human proof reads the work to add a human touch to it, then becomes a little detectable.

Well, I think that as long as you add a human touch and don't just copy-paste, it's not so bad. I consult AI practically every day, and I think that in the near future using it will be as common as using the internet today. In fact, I believe that search engine searches like google are going to be replaced by AI searches.

I wonder what percentage of active accounts in the previous 3 months are using AI and if it were possible to know, to use that as a comparator to the same period one year ago. That would be an interesting statistic.

Without knowing exact data, it has certainly grown, as has the use of AI around the world.

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The AI threat is growing bigger every day. If we return to this question a year from now, I think we will see a massive difference in the number of posts being made by one puppeteer controlling a number of farmed accounts that use AI. <snip>

I just got done watching a video about how overused ChatGPT terms are making their way into the medical literature--and very quickly, too.  That seems to point to medical researchers using AI at the very least to assist in their writing, and to me that's scarier than any of its use on bitcointalk.

But you're correct I think; a year from now I'm guessing we're going to see a lot of AI-generated posts and unless someone creates an excellent tool for catching them....I couldn't even guess what "discussions" are going to look like.  The only bright spot is that account farming is still a difficult thing to do because of the merit system, i.e., it's hard to rank up a stable of accounts without earning merits.  Then again, merits can be bought or given from friends, alt accounts, and who knows where else.  So yeah, the future might be pretty damn bleak for our beloved forum.

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April 05, 2024, 04:20:19 PM
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The way AI is being used in the forum is in a very early stage. Some of those that are using AI to make posts are themselves learning about it as they experiment with the capability levels of AI as well as automated posting scripts. If it is being implemented in the medical field then I agree this is a much more scarier prospect (but having said that, it will be an evolving on-going process that probably aims to become perfect over time).

That seems to point to medical researchers using AI at the very least to assist in their writing, and to me that's scarier than any of its use on bitcointalk.

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“AI” is advanced programming that collects authored data, mixes it up and spits it back out. That is technically completely other peoples work. If AGI existed , real AI imo, then we’d not be able to detect it as it would be legitimately a new authored post most likely far better than most could dream of writing. I see the shit in “legit” mainstream news and media outlets being used and feel it’s insanely unethical. (My 2 as a reformed convict dipshit, so I don’t have much room to talk ).

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“AI” is advanced programming that collects authored data, mixes it up and spits it back out. That is technically completely other peoples work. If AGI existed , real AI imo, then we’d not be able to detect it as it would be legitimately a new authored post most likely far better than most could dream of writing. I see the shit in “legit” mainstream news and media outlets being used and feel it’s insanely unethical. (My 2 as a reformed convict dipshit, so I don’t have much room to talk ).
If AIs were so real to think from one brain and not assembling data randomly on the internet, there wouldn't be any way to prove that a post is AI generated. It is because these AI takes random and generic options and including facts and compile them together. That is why the results are easily detected as AI. If AI users become well advanced and use AI in the real and professional way, it might be difficult to detect an AI written posts. But, above all else, think about it why would one decide to use AI to post in a forum where humans brainstorm to profer solutions.

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April 08, 2024, 09:47:08 AM
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Over a period of time, the software behind AI (and there are multiple sources) will improve and become closer to what we could deem as perfect in the sense we will be unable to distinguish between a human or AI when reading the text. In the future, the same will be applied to audio where we will be unable to distinguish of the voice we are hearing is from a human or AI generated.

As for the forum, the use of AI will increase and even though many will use it for many purposes (not exclusively to increase member rank), it will be driven by account farmers who will use it for precisely that reason and/or to try to infiltrate the trust system.

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