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February 02, 2024, 03:07:44 AM
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Depending on each individual's strategy, whether short term or long term, we cannot make it general for everyone. Each has different strategies and applications, even Warren Buffet and Michael J Saylor have different views regarding Bitcoin.

In fact, the right strategy can make someone rich faster even with not too much money. Until now and perhaps beyond, investors who continue to actively monitor the market and trade VS passive investors who might be called HODLER, each have their own advantages and disadvantages. Just adjust it to your type.

I've been watching many YouTube videos on how to make lots of money through day trading.
Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.
They are quite impressive and compelling indeed but not all of them are real, many are manipulated to attract people to trade.
Have these people become rich already because of trading?
Maybe he is rich because he is a YouTuber ...he has created content that is so interesting that someone is interested in seeing it. Don't focus on how interesting the content is, but pay attention to the content of the content being delivered. In the current era, more and more video editors have succeeded in making ordinary things visually extraordinarily attractive.
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February 02, 2024, 11:22:27 AM
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I've been watching many YouTube videos on how to make lots of money through day trading.
Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.

You will find many videos on YouTube that can really impress you but that doesn't mean they are the real picture because it could be that the person making the video has another agenda such as looking for referrals or people who want to join their channel which is about signals and will slowly start paying for it get the signal.

However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.
Because he is a very successful investor, his words can be trusted because he has proven it, whereas what he says about Bitcoin is something else and it is up to us to agree or disagree because everyone has different experiences with Bitcoin.
And based on my experience as an investor, it will indeed be more profitable than trading and you can also check that people who bought Bitcoin a decade ago and are still holding it are currently enjoying profits, maybe they will also still make a profit if they trade it every day but the amount may not be the same because daily trading sometimes puts traders under pressure to always make quick profits which makes them take wrong actions and end up in loss.

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February 02, 2024, 12:46:42 PM
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I've been watching many YouTube videos on how to make lots of money through day trading.
Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.

However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.

https://www.investors.com/news/warren-buffett-bashes-bitcoin-as-gambling-token-bitcoin-price-hovers-near-30000/#:~:text=%22Something%20like%20bitcoin%2C%20it%20is,intrinsic%20value%2C%22%20Buffett%20said.

Somehow he is right since the profit you can only get for short trading is low and there's a chance that you provably lose all your capital in single trade if you miscalculate your move. That's why its really good to make your investment as passive especially if you invest it in bitcoin since this coin is known to get a big pump when long years past. So those investors doing a hodl would surely get a lot of benefits from that movement if that scenario will came.

We can always see that base on bitcoin movement for past years that's why many people believe that is to hodl is more better choice and people don't need to get thru a lot of stress before they can earn since by holding their bitcoin they can earn from it if certain like bull run event will come.

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February 02, 2024, 12:50:42 PM
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There should be no doubt that passive investors earn more profit than those who actively trade. In any case, they did not lose their money, like most who, without the necessary knowledge and experience, tried to trade, but simply lost their money as a result. So, getting a profit from day trading fate is not for many.

This is the most simple yet correct explanation on the subject matter. Just additional thoughts since you didn’t mention it. Paper loss is usually being neglected by newbie traders yet it’s the most crucial part on trading that makes holders better than active trader in terms of profit.

Crypto is too much volatile so there’s a high chance that a trade will go south with this unprecedented volatile market. This makes trading will give you more lose in case the market is always against your position while on the other hand holders will just experience paper loss that soon will be negligible once the price recovers and turns to profit.

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February 02, 2024, 02:05:50 PM
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There should be no doubt that passive investors earn more profit than those who actively trade. In any case, they did not lose their money, like most who, without the necessary knowledge and experience, tried to trade, but simply lost their money as a result. So, getting a profit from day trading fate is not for many.

This is the most simple yet correct explanation on the subject matter. Just additional thoughts since you didn’t mention it. Paper loss is usually being neglected by newbie traders yet it’s the most crucial part on trading that makes holders better than active trader in terms of profit.

Crypto is too much volatile so there’s a high chance that a trade will go south with this unprecedented volatile market. This makes trading will give you more lose in case the market is always against your position while on the other hand holders will just experience paper loss that soon will be negligible once the price recovers and turns to profit.
Not all but the majority who choose trading fails than those who just buy, hold, and sell (common investor). Yes, if we compare the results, investing is quite true to profit realization than trading. Aside from that investing doesn't give you pressure, as long as you choose profitable coins, you never feel any worries of it dumps or dying. Unlike trading, stressful and risky which is sometimes we can't sleep well thinking about the mistakes and losses we made.

Well, it is an individual choice in where we think it suits us. Whether it is trading or just simply investing, it still incurs losses if mismanaged.
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February 02, 2024, 04:42:30 PM
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I've been watching many YouTube videos on how to make lots of money through day trading.
Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.

However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.

Buffet is just one of the oldest investor that dominate stock and feel like he can say anything he like but he doesn't know that he knows nothing about bitcoin. This men control most of the stock markets and because they didn't have the opportunity to hold Bitcoin the way they control other stock, they think they can trash Bitcoin the way they like but Bitcoin creators know of their existence and didn't give them that chance and that's why they are quick pain anytime Bitcoin is making progress.

He might be right about not making good money in short term investment but you can't compare his world of stock to Bitcoin. In crypto, 4 years is like 10 years in another investment. If you can use your time well with Bitcoin, under this 4 years of bitcoin cycle, you can make what will take stock 10 years to profit and if you chose good altcoins, you will can get more than that amount under what he described as 4 years.

The next time he want to look for a topic of discussion about bitcoin, he should do away with this intrinsic cap he repeat all the time. If he doesn't know what bitcoin stand for by now, he can move to another thing to talk on Podcast, it mustn't be about Bitcoin all the time.

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February 02, 2024, 08:32:33 PM
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This is the most simple yet correct explanation on the subject matter. Just additional thoughts since you didn’t mention it. Paper loss is usually being neglected by newbie traders yet it’s the most crucial part on trading that makes holders better than active trader in terms of profit.

Crypto is too much volatile so there’s a high chance that a trade will go south with this unprecedented volatile market. This makes trading will give you more lose in case the market is always against your position while on the other hand holders will just experience paper loss that soon will be negligible once the price recovers and turns to profit.
Not all but the majority who choose trading fails than those who just buy, hold, and sell (common investor). Yes, if we compare the results, investing is quite true to profit realization than trading. Aside from that investing doesn't give you pressure, as long as you choose profitable coins, you never feel any worries of it dumps or dying. Unlike trading, stressful and risky which is sometimes we can't sleep well thinking about the mistakes and losses we made.

Well, it is an individual choice in where we think it suits us. Whether it is trading or just simply investing, it still incurs losses if mismanaged.
The point is that, when you buy and hold then everyone will profit, it doesn't really separate good or bad because we all do the same thing, it doesn't really give people any different result at all. However, if we are talking about trading then the result is not the same, there are good traders and there are bad traders and depending on which one you are, you will either make some money or won't make any money.

Obviously we are going to end up with holding bitcoin for a greater return, and that should be the most important thing, it will give you some good return and will make sure that you make a profit. I am not really after higher than that, because it would mean I would have to put a lot more at risk if I want to make that kind of money.

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February 03, 2024, 10:17:19 PM
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The point is that, when you buy and hold then everyone will profit, it doesn't really separate good or bad because we all do the same thing, it doesn't really give people any different result at all. However, if we are talking about trading then the result is not the same, there are good traders and there are bad traders and depending on which one you are, you will either make some money or won't make any money.

Obviously we are going to end up with holding bitcoin for a greater return, and that should be the most important thing, it will give you some good return and will make sure that you make a profit. I am not really after higher than that, because it would mean I would have to put a lot more at risk if I want to make that kind of money.
This means the level of difficulty to become a trader is way higher, and this must be taken into account by anyone that wants to earn money this way, after all becoming an investor is relatively easy and as long as you pick a good asset and you can hold it for a very long time you will do well, but traders need to do way more than that to obtain profits, and if they are incapable of doing them correctly they will waste both their time and their money.
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February 03, 2024, 10:54:17 PM
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I really believe that passive investors make more profits than active investors, passive investors tend to evaluate more details about the project they are going to invest in, look for lots of information about the project, understand the product, vision and mission, they read more seriously, if they are worth it, they will invest their money, while active investors are more towards trading who often look at indicators and concise information
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February 04, 2024, 02:25:12 AM
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First and foremost, let us distinguish between "active investors" and "passive investors." It is possible that others will believe they are interchangeable when they are not; let us investigate.

Active investors can invest in individual equities as well as commodities. Even in terms of investment strategy, they are actively researching. Passive investors can focus less on purchasing and selling. And they always entail reduced risk due to what is known as diversity.

Reference: https://www.investopedia.com/news/active-vs-passive-investing



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~snip~

However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.

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Day trading can give you more profits compared to only holding your investment for the long term but there are always more risks for you to face on day trading. More profit will always be tempting but if you don't have good analysis you will make your hard work money become lost in vain. Warren Buffet already missed the train so no wonder he will be against to Bitcoin,  those who can't accept the development of the world will only complain that new technology is a scam, gambling, useless invention, etc. 

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February 04, 2024, 05:14:30 AM
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How much money you can earn depends on your investment. If you invest a large amount of Bitcoin and are successful enough to invest, your earnings will increase. Usually the amount of money I earn will depend on my investments. You can earn as much as you succeed in investing. A cousin of mine became an overnight owner of a lot of money when he caught on to passive investing. But I have not done passive investing. I think passive investors are much less stressful than active investors. If we want to be stress free then of course we can invest passively.

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If we are talking about generalities, yes. I understand that some traders can make a lot of money but the percentage of them is very low. On the other hand, passive investors, who buy good financial assets and hold them for a long time, make a huge percentage of their money. And the longer they hold, the more they earn. Somewhere I heard that the most profitable portfolios in the USA belonged to people who had died and for many years their heirs did not know that the deceased had this portfolio. Simply by compounding interest over many years, the profitability ends up rising exponentially.


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I've been watching many YouTube videos on how to make lots of money through day trading.
Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.

However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.

https://www.investors.com/news/warren-buffett-bashes-bitcoin-as-gambling-token-bitcoin-price-hovers-near-30000/#:~:text=%22Something%20like%20bitcoin%2C%20it%20is,intrinsic%20value%2C%22%20Buffett%20said.



Everyone has their own thinking and everyone wants to make their own analysis, whether they are businessmen, whether they are service professionals, but they make their own analysis of what Bitcoin is and Future besides what is the role of cryptocurrency but in my opinion cryptocurrency is not gambling I often see that it is both loss and gain. Even if you open a business, a real business that exists, you will still have to face both the benefits and the losses take example if person open a petrol pump as a business he take petrol in the price of 1 dollar per liter and the government decrease the price of petrol per liter .90 dollars then what will your situation in this case. You will have to bear the loss because this is the decision of the government.

Similarly, if you buy bitcoin at high prices and there is bad news, which is against bitcoin, it is obvious that Bitcoin price will dump if you are patient, you will get its reward, if you are not patient, you will have to come out of it and sell it, so we cannot say that bitcoin or crypto currency is gambling. The both profit and loss are available in crypto currency. But make sure to wait long can make your future in crypto currency.

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However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.

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Day trading can give you more profits compared to only holding your investment for the long term but there are always more risks for you to face on day trading. More profit will always be tempting but if you don't have good analysis you will make your hard work money become lost in vain. Warren Buffet already missed the train so no wonder he will be against to Bitcoin,  those who can't accept the development of the world will only complain that new technology is a scam, gambling, useless invention, etc. 

Day trading is risky, I am not sure there's anyone who always makes a profit with day trading. People win & lose money so it can be very stressful in the long run. And there are no guarantees that you will end up with some profit, I experienced that when I thought I could day-trade. I made a profit here and there, but I had too many losses and bad calls, so day trading is not for me and I realized that not everyone can do it.

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I guess it's what passive investing is. You choose what you think it's good and you just hodl no matter what! In the end, it can pay off big time if you choose the right project to invest in. And Bitcoin is for sure one of the best-performing assets. I had more luck and I made more profit with some of my long-term investments.

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February 05, 2024, 09:38:13 AM
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How much money you can earn depends on your investment. If you invest a large amount of Bitcoin and are successful enough to invest, your earnings will increase. Usually the amount of money I earn will depend on my investments. You can earn as much as you succeed in investing. A cousin of mine became an overnight owner of a lot of money when he caught on to passive investing. But I have not done passive investing. I think passive investors are much less stressful than active investors. If we want to be stress free then of course we can invest passively.
It is indeed that passive investing offers a lesser stress but make sure you are investing on a blue chips stocks or with the top coins and make sure to still monitor it so you can know if there's a big movement on your holdings especially if its a negative news. There's a theory saying that passive investing makes more money as they are preserving their money and not spending that much on the fees, also the active investors/traders are losing money actively and that's the risk they are willing to take for actively trading in the market. Both can actually be profitable, its just a matter of time and your strategy as well.

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February 05, 2024, 11:10:53 AM
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Passive investing gives me more profit than active trading...My experience tells me something I was not good at trading but rather be good at investing. However, this never means that even if we are a passive investor but didn't make it the right way, it is not profitable anymore. Maybe my experience is the same as others and can be the opposite as well.

Whether it is right or wrong, the one that can answer this is ourselves. We can assess ourselves where are good at because some people showcase more impressive trading results than investing. Because I already know where I can make more money.

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When it comes to cryptocurrency, passive investors will definitely make more money than an active investor. This is because there is a high tendency that traders will run at loss during their trading period. Also it is doesn't give you that rest of man when trading compare to a hodler, who just kept his bitcoin in his wallet and wait for a very long period of time before he will think of taking profit. The most benefiting side for a passive investor is the compounding profit that his bitcoin portfolio will generate for him, because from bitcoin price history, it shows that bitcoin price keeps increasing with timeline. I prefer to be a hodler, because your money is working for you all you need is to be patient with your long term investment. Traders stress themselves out reading charts, following signals, which will not still save them from acquiring losses.

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It's mixing things, you can't generalize, you even mention WB, so, like comparing a billionaire investor with someone who invests Thousands of dollars.

A trader needs money to eat, pay a bills, so, they invest " $1000" and puts it to production, they cannot expect "$1000" to become 2x,3x, etc., ah!  what period of time: 1 week, 1 month, 1 year. So it does both.

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Most of the youtube videos you watches out there doesn't have any quality to show that they are really making cool cash via day trading, you think day trading is that easily and so cheap as you may have think?

Well, if you must know YouTube influencers are the worst sets of people who lure beginners to feels like trading is so common without the knowledge to know that before one must involved himself into trading he must first go for knowledge and that doesn't just come with immediate effects after joining someone who knows more about it.

Boiling down to Warren Buffet, I don't know how knowledgeable he is towards bitcoin but I understood from him is that the volatility of Bitcoin doesn't allow him to freely have the final decision to invest in bitcoin since he thought that his investment could worth zero or even lose about 50 percent of his investment.

To me I know he knowledgeable hence should understand the principle and mechanism behind bitcoin.

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