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February 06, 2024, 06:04:48 PM
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Now my confusion is Although the forum says not to use AI content does that mean that paraphrasing or punctuating with AI is allowed?
Using AI to correct your English? That is not plagiarism and that not the wrong use of AI on this forum. You can use AI to make your English better and well structured and that is not against the rules of this forum because all the writings are from you and not from elsewhere.
The forum doesn't acknowledge the use of AI, so whoever that uses Al has disobey the rules and regulations of the forum so that is one of the things that we have to know concerning using artificial intelligence for composition, but it's different from plagiarism, so whatever we are doing in the aspect of plagiarism and AI both of them have similar offence in the forum, we have to understand the concepts, when someone said they are same I think that person is not mistaken because they have same penalty and the forum forbids them.

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February 06, 2024, 07:11:45 PM
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We come to the forum to communicate with people, don't we? Do we want to devolve into communicating with AI?
It gets creepy with that as some of us argued and struggled with discussions we thought were genuine contributions; not knowing otherwise. That has been going on for a while. Those who utilized Ai on the forum before some CMs frowned at it and drew up modalities against its use, can best be described as cheats. They presented what they never were and took credit for it as if they wrote them from the top of their heads. It's deceit.

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February 06, 2024, 07:27:35 PM
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The forum doesn't acknowledge the use of AI, so whoever that uses Al has disobey the rules and regulations of the forum
If the forum doesn't acknowledge AI, how is it against the rules? Spamming the board with zero-value posts is what's against the rules, and that's why AI generated posts are getting deleted.

We come to the forum to communicate with people, don't we?
Fortunately, it is still easy to spot humans on the Internet; each one of us has a unique writing style of their own. It is very easy to spot an AI account. If it's a brand new account, appeared out of nowhere, writing an extensive list of what one needs to consider before starting a new crypto project, using plain bold, then it's probably an AI.

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February 06, 2024, 08:55:58 PM
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The forum doesn't acknowledge the use of AI, so whoever that uses Al has disobey the rules and regulations of the forum
If the forum doesn't acknowledge AI, how is it against the rules? Spamming the board with zero-value posts is what's against the rules, and that's why AI generated posts are getting deleted.
All Al posts are seen as invalid post because its not quality or relevant, when you cross check AI posting you can see that is not formative and that is while it's been deleted..but remember that the system of bitcointalk doesn't capture  Al posting except that it's been noticed by any individual and test run the composition or article before it can be confirmed that the composition is been composed with artificial intelligence, left with the notice of members of the forum, a post that's is made with a artificial intelligence can not be deleted, its base on the post or composition is meaningless and it doesn't have any innovative measures or positive impacts to the forum from the observation of the reporter, do you noticed that all the posts that is being deleted from the system of bitcointalk most be reported first before deleted by mod.

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February 06, 2024, 11:22:45 PM
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spell check and grammarly are just less shopistacated ai.

Spell check is allowed
grammarly is allowed.

there fore ai is allowed.  : note did not use spellcheck for the word there fore to A.I.

Spell check does not use any kind of AI. It simply applies existing spelling rules and does not learn or adapt. Regarding Grammarly,

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Grammarly is an AI-powered writing assistant, not a complete AI writing tool. It won't be able to replace a writer or generate ideas for you. That being said, Grammarly is one of the most advanced AI writing tools for accuracy and quality.

That's the difference. Grammarly only fixes what's there, using "AI" to apply grammar rules. ChatGPT comes up with its own ideas, which are often incorrect when it comes to complicated subjects like the technical details of bitcoin. Therefore it poses an inherent risk for people who come here actually seeking knowledge. It also encourages laziness and social detachment. The only difference between ChatGPT posts and shitposts is the former have better spelling & grammar.

they are both a.i. they are simple versions and not as good as the new shit.

But I have zero problem with spell check  , grammarly or google translate, getting used in posting.

all are pretty simple time savers and you could use old school books the same way.

The better newer modern A.I. is too good.

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vs this tv

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one is simply far better than the other.


BTW if you generate an A.I. paragraph and then misspell a few words does it register as A.I. ?


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February 06, 2024, 11:46:05 PM
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spell check and grammarly are just less shopistacated ai.

Spell check is allowed
grammarly is allowed.

there fore ai is allowed.

note I did not spell check sophisticated above but I did spell check it in this sentence.
I think Spell checking is ok. What is not OK is asking Chat GPT a full question and then someone just copies and pastes the response as their own.

For example, I use LanguageTool sometimes, and It makes AI suggestions on the sentence I have just typed (which I made from my own). I don't actually use it to rephrase my whole writings but just spelling errors and sometimes grammar. I prefer my own writings over AI rephrasing. I think some users already use it to rephrase their sentences.

Here is an example


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February 11, 2024, 08:07:37 PM
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You can quote AI as long as you credit the program and use the quotation marks. The only thing that is against the rules is using the AI work as your own.

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February 11, 2024, 11:39:36 PM
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No one’s gonna beat you up in this forum for having shitty grammar. Long as you have the basic understanding of how to construct english sentences most of us here would make do of the rest and decipher whatever you wrote. And as long as it’s coherent to the most basic degree and it’s not chicken scratch we’re going to understand what you’re saying, trust me. So for newbies out there, rather than rely on AI to help you with constructing posts94 comments, try posting using your own methods first. I reckon it would be exceptionally better for you as it allows you to express yourself through your own way and it builds mastery as well.

That being said, I don’t think Blackhat’s wrong for suggesting the use of AI in such a minor degree. But the thing is there’s a massive slippery slope that could lead users into eventually using AI for posting here, since it has been human nature to abuse what very little power they are given from the moment they get it.

My verdict and opinion remains in favor of banning the use of AI in this forum. It’s disingenuous, it stops you from formulatin your own opinions, and it’s exceptionally harmful for newbies up to full members here cause it’s not like you’re going to read whatever shitpost the AI made once it’s done.

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February 11, 2024, 11:46:05 PM
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I think signature campaign managers should do a better job at managing their campaigns. There's almost no exception to this as in every campaign these days there's some perpetrator sometimes. Some managers are quick to get such members out of their campaigns, others don't seem to care.

For instance, AI or not... There's too many nonsensical messages that add nothing to the discussion of each given topic. If managers look into quality over quantity a bit more it will make things easier. As of AI spam... I think someone needs to develop a reliable methodology for detecting it and host it as a service. Allowing managers that pay him a fee to check for messages to be AI free. Of course this would need some supervision to be more reliable so perhaps advertisers could pay managers to hire some extra staff.

Back in the day plagiarization was always caught by bitcointalk detectives but there's only so much that can be done against LLMs thesedays, especially when there's managers that don't care about nonsense posts being paid, who's gonna care about AI which is barely distinguishable from normal posts.

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February 12, 2024, 05:59:18 AM
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Back in the day plagiarization was always caught by bitcointalk detectives but there's only so much that can be done against LLMs thesedays, especially when there's managers that don't care about nonsense posts being paid, who's gonna care about AI which is barely distinguishable from normal posts.
I think AI is also being detected on this forum by the spam blasters of the forum. Nutildah has created a thread in reputation board where active users report AI generated posts whenever they find one. The AI detectors aren't that bad as they can detect AI generated text to some good extent.

I know that it's not going to stop those who are good at training AI themselves but at least most users don't really know that kind of technical things and they mostly rely on available AI text generators like ChatGPT, Google bard and a few others.

When it comes to quality of posts then surely managers do care about those and they avoid accepting those participants in the campaigns that only post useless things and nothing else. They are doing their job at their best and we can't blame them at all.

They are also humans and checking each user's all posts manually isn't possible so they might read a few posts of the users to see that how good the user is doing. I think we should appreciate managers of the forum because their job isn't easy but still they're doing their best.

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February 12, 2024, 07:41:57 AM
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They are also humans and checking each user's all posts manually isn't possible so they might read a few posts of the users to see that how good the user is doing. I think we should appreciate managers of the forum because their job isn't easy but still they're doing their best.

As far I know most Compaign manager has added special bonus for AI post detectors and also banning for all compaign for year if catched successfully for AI spamming. More than five members who was accepted in compaign has been removed and their payment givens to those who catched them. It is not true that compaign manager not caring about quality. Ab de Royse77 is I think first who added AI spamming note in the compaign thread.

There are some tools mentioned in Nutildah thread for detecting AI post but still some members are so clever and they are adding some extra word to humanize it.

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There are some tools mentioned in Nutildah thread for detecting AI post but still some members are so clever and they are adding some extra word to humanize it.

There are more methods to hide AI usage and I will not mention them for obvious reasons. But it is still usually just a matter of time when those who use AI will be caught, because those who are so lazy that they prefer not to write several posts by themselves are usually too lazy to edit their posts enough each time, because good editing will take even more time than to write by themselves.

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February 12, 2024, 09:31:02 AM
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The use of AI on Bitcoin talk is against the rules of this forum . Of course part of the rules on this forum is not to make use of AI to generate posts or to use AI copied text as your own or original text. But how strict is it?

Posts appear more presentable here when proper paraphrasing and punctuations are used. Unfortunately, not everyone here on Bitcoin talk is a native English speaker or writer hence some persons may find some difficulties paraphrasing or punctuating their write-ups.

Now why did I create this thread?
Recently I came across a post in the beginners and help section by a newbie whose English was not ok. Now what drove me into thinking was the reply of one of the forum's most reputable member; BlackHatCoiner. Here was his reply ;
Re: New member as you notice there he mentioned the op rather use an AI to punctuate his posts than leave them poorly structured.

Now my confusion is Although the forum says not to use AI content does that mean that paraphrasing or punctuating with AI is allowed?

Imo, at some point, using paraphrasing tools is somehow similar to AI-produced content, grammar check is fine I guess. If you let AI construct your sentence even if the idea came from you, there's a chance that it can be flagged as an AI-generated post even if it's not your intention. My advice is just to make it grammatically correct or understandable, users here already know that we're different and some are not english fluent, formality is not quite used but always depends on the topic.

So yeah, be careful with what you compose. AI is getting good nowadays, they can even compose a sentence with emotion, not AI style.
In general, if you really want to learn and at the same time make your efforts here worth it, AI isn't really a good use here since we need a discussion on a certain topic based on your own understanding or experience. For sure, a user who uses AI will suffer in the long term once based people come up with an idea where they can detect AI-produced posts. If people can detect plagiarism, made by AI are possible to be detected too so they give value to the process of learning, don't skip it by AI, study everything and make use of it in real life. 

There are bunch of tools that can detect AI already and at some point I agree that using AI on minor things is not impressive.  
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February 12, 2024, 12:05:42 PM
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Now my confusion is Although the forum says not to use AI content does that mean that paraphrasing with AI is allowed?
There is a difference between using AI-generated text to make posts on the forum and using tools like QuillBot, Grammarly, and many other online English tools to enhance your writing skills.
 
All the tools is helping you to do is put your grammar in writing sense and not ask the AI to write for you.

I definitely agree with you.

It's entirely different when you're just using those software to help you correct your grammar so that you can clearly state what you're trying to say in a certain topic, unlike using like chatGPT to construct paragraphs for you regarding about a certain topic and just pasting here in the forum.

And another form of paraphrasing that is not allowed in the forum is when you copy someone else's work, which is also considered plagiarism, and use AI to paraphrase it into something else. Such use of AI is abusing and trying to outsmart people, but in the area of grammar and sentence correction, I consider it useful.

About this one, you can avoid plagiarism if you're just going to use a certain blog as your reference by giving proper credits to the author(s).

Also, don't just simply do copy and paste kind of action but try to derived it in your own perspective to avoid plagiarism. It's not bad to read something that you found in google, when you're just trying to get some other opinions regarding about certain topics but don't forget to always put proper credits to the rightful owners, like what I've said earlier.
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February 12, 2024, 02:31:18 PM
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We come to the forum to communicate with people, don't we? Do we want to devolve into communicating with AI?
It gets creepy with that as some of us argued and struggled with discussions we thought were genuine contributions; not knowing otherwise. That has been going on for a while. Those who utilized Ai on the forum before some CMs frowned at it and drew up modalities against its use, can best be described as cheats. They presented what they never were and took credit for it as if they wrote them from the top of their heads. It's deceit.

You're all right, there's no point in making post without giving credit to the source and the content are not directly from the experience we had, so what's the point coming out in this, someone will make a post and will not identify the credit to the source of the post be it AI or not, so i dont see it as nothing than pure plagiarism in disguise.

This is not about the requirements by the signature campaigns, here we are talking about someone making a true and genuine post in a thread, and not lending from the robot to make contributions.



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February 12, 2024, 11:48:21 PM
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It’s not bad to seek answers through AI as it can be helpful actually but the moment you commanded AI to provide you an answer, that makes it so wrong, it’s like you only copy its idea without having your own. It still falls on plagiarism which is certainly not allowed in the forum. If you continue doing that, you will be banned permanently once caught.

However, if AI becomes one of your basis only and you interpreted it on your own and give your personal opinion or idea, that is sharing what you have understand, and not copying from AI. Sometimes, using words from AI can initiate clues, and that’s where you start formulating your own words and phrases based on how you comprehend on the topic or thread.

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February 13, 2024, 04:51:20 AM
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It seems like I'm far behind in the discussion this time, but I want to add a little. Don't know if anyone said this or not

Plagiarism is usually prohibited as it relates to copyright and can bring one into legal jurisdiction. Meanwhile, blog writing techniques are usually known as re-writing and copy-writing, namely the technique of combining writing and rewriting in your own language. In the past, Google's algorithm did not prohibit rewriting because no patent violations were found, so I don't think AI is part of plagiarism even though I also don't like AI, and it seems that the latest Google algorithm also quite hates writing created by AI.

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February 13, 2024, 07:04:42 AM
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Plagiarism is usually prohibited as it relates to copyright and can bring one into legal jurisdiction. Meanwhile, blog writing techniques are usually known as re-writing and copy-writing, namely the technique of combining writing and rewriting in your own language.

LOL. Maybe for you. Every piece of writing (blog or otherwise) I've ever done came 100% from my own brain. I would expect anyone else to do the same. Personally I can't stand reading regurgitated text and I can spot it almost immediately. I guess if you are lacking in creativity and don't care to put any effort into your work, then text spinning a suitable alternative, but it will never drive as much clicks or engagement as original content, SEO-wise.

In the past, Google's algorithm did not prohibit rewriting because no patent violations were found, so I don't think AI is part of plagiarism even though I also don't like AI, and it seems that the latest Google algorithm also quite hates writing created by AI.

It doesn't really matter what Google does. Use of text spinners has been disallowed on this forum for quite some time. When you paste AI-written text without crediting it as such, you are basically attempting to trick the reader into thinking your post is a product of your own brain when it is not. It is dishonest and deceitful.

Sure, it makes life easier if you are posting from several different accounts, but nobody will read your posts, and the employers of your sig campaigns will notice this.

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February 13, 2024, 08:20:41 AM
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Now my confusion is Although the forum says not to use AI content does that mean that paraphrasing or punctuating with AI is allowed?

the law of not using AI in creating post is rather contextual than it literal connotation.

If I have a topic I intend creating and maybe I am not all that good at writing from scratch, I can use AI as a tool that will help me pass my message in a readable and easily compressive manner. That's way different from asking AI to write a post that is Bitcoin related for me. From reading through a post, it wouldn't take time before you will be able to differentiate between an organic post and one that is generated by AI.

I think the way we are looking at the use of this AI of a thing is rather strange. The Essene of the use of AI is to serve as an aid that will guide you while doing a particular task.

Sometimes if I'm writing an application letter for a particular job, I can decide to give chat GPT the details that I need to be included in my writing and I tell it to write it in a professional way. I know it can't give me the standard of application letter that I want but I will allow it to generate something for me and then I combine it with what I have written down already and I come up with one of the best application letter you can ever see. It's not to say that I'm giving any false details about my qualification or stuff like that but its more of presenting myself in a moderate and easy to understand manner.

Of course as I have stayed a bit longer in the forum, one of the main thing I have learnt is that people actually love it when you're real and apart from sourcing for fact before making some statement in the forum, I just prefer to write my thing to the extent of my knowledge and that's just it.

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February 13, 2024, 01:01:54 PM
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If I have a topic I intend creating and maybe I am not all that good at writing from scratch

It can be so, and it's much better if others will see it. Because if you don't know how to write well something and rely on AI, you can miss when it will say something not exactley what you wanted. And when the entire text will look like it was written by a professional, people may think that some disgusting idea was the thing you really wanted to say. And if your text is not perfect, people usually think that it was just a mistake because of problems with formulating. AI is not a good friend, it is dangerous tool which should be used with all possible caution, if we are not talking about using it for fun.

And you can always make a reference that AI was used for writing your text not to mislead others.

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