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January 23, 2024, 06:44:15 PM
Last edit: January 24, 2024, 11:54:38 AM by ENDORPHINA
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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly https://www.bikinislots.com/

It's not just a casino; it's a lifestyle.

Good luck and happy spinning!

Any recommendations for another casino like that one?







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January 23, 2024, 06:46:41 PM
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I don't understand if you are endorsing/promoting this casino or you are searching "another casino like that one".
why this casino it's a lifestyle? why it's different from others and what we need to find here as really interesting?
the motivation you have added are something ... common for a casino? Roll Eyes

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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

It's not just a casino; it's a lifestyle.

Good luck and happy spinning!

Any recommendations for another casino like that one?









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January 23, 2024, 06:56:06 PM
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doesn't have anything new in the casino. it needs registration to check the live dealer but i would assume this is where they make the difference as the dealers are wearing bikinis?  right?   sure the owner knows how to market a casino if this is the case. sex sells all the time.

haven't registered and i may not until someone confirms they wear bikinis.  Roll Eyes









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January 23, 2024, 06:59:00 PM
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I don't know much about this said casino but to me it would be much better people have review of this site to know if they are legit or not because just bring a site and asked people to look into it looks very suspicious, and no reputable member over here would accept to go deposit their funds over there to spin be it free spin they would still find it hard. To me it's better they launch a promotion over here than you just copy a site link elsewhere to post here and whom do you hold responsible if they scam people over here?

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January 23, 2024, 07:01:06 PM
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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

It's not just a casino; it's a lifestyle.

Good luck and happy spinning!

Any recommendations for another casino like that one?
You must be representing the Casino. This is a smart community and it's hard to trick them :-D
Anyway, welcome to the community.

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January 23, 2024, 07:44:55 PM
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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

It's not just a casino; it's a lifestyle.

Good luck and happy spinning!

Any recommendations for another casino like that one?

Tell us more about your big wins because even if you are targeting the high rolles this site only let you withdraw $2500/week a max of $10k/month

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3.3.11. Upon requesting a withdrawal of winnings, BikiniSlots reserves the right to pay-out the requested amount up to maximum of $2,500 per week and no more than $10,000 USD per month.

I'm sorry but this is not a good site for highrollers.

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It's nice to see a casino with poker, I wanted to check if there are players at the poker tables and if there are any tournaments and such, but it's impossible without registration. So can you share more about this if you are playing there, maybe some screenshots, etc...

"Just" an x25 rollover for deposit bonuses sounds good as well. But I will not register and try it just like that... Why should we trust this casino?

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3.3.11. Upon requesting a withdrawal of winnings, BikiniSlots reserves the right to pay-out the requested amount up to maximum of $2,500 per week and no more than $10,000 USD per month.

I'm sorry but this is not a good site for highrollers.

Nice catch! Definitely not a place for high rollers! I wonder if they also have maximum bets/bonus buys on their games? Smiley

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January 23, 2024, 08:08:20 PM
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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

It's not just a casino; it's a lifestyle.

Good luck and happy spinning!
Before all else let me applaud you for your marketing skills, trust me mate you really killed the show... Grin

You mind giving us some pictorial evidence of your big wins ( from the rollers) for us to be sure you're not acting as an influencer but as someone that is talking from his experience with the casino he's referring as a lifestyle in itself.

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January 23, 2024, 08:17:20 PM
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Players tend to prefer casinos that are already popular and large enough to spend most of their time there rather than playing at new, untested casino sites.
Many of the active players at the casinos here already have experience, so it is very difficult for us to be easily influenced.

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January 23, 2024, 08:27:47 PM
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If you're working directly for the gambling platform then try to make it in a more professional manner by getting yourself a copper membership rank to enable you post images, then try to make a design of your announcement thread, also if you can afford having a signature campaign to help advertise your service to the world more better, all these are what you can start with for now, but if you're not a representative to this casino, I think you may need to stay yourself clear about it.



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January 23, 2024, 08:37:37 PM
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This is an indirect promotion and this leads me to ask the ops, what exactly stopped him from making an ANN thread if he is the owner of this casino because it's clear that he is not just here to let us know about the good features of this so-called casino that he is trying to promote to us here in the forum.


But then also we have to let ops also know that, members of the forum rather trust an already known casino that has already built a good reputation for themselves than risking to trust some random site that is just being put at our faces.

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I hate seeing threads like this, if you are going to advertise a casino and want to get positive attention from the forum members, please do it properly. also, it's funny how you mentioned high rollers when the casino you are advertising is what high rollers usually avoid, I mean $2500 maximum withdrawal per week and $10,000 per month is quite low, especially for high rollers.

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3.2.8. It is not permitted to deposit funds into an account where sufficient balance exists to play when considering recent gambling wager levels. Without valid explanations such situations may result in such deposits being refunded and your account being closed.

3.2.12. BikiniSlots may charge assigned fees for processing deposits. Fees may change over time and current fee structure is specified on the cashier deposit page at the moment of requesting a deposit to the site.

So any user must ask for the permission first if they want to deposit while there is still some balance left on their accounts? that is not fun at all lol
Deposit fees ... man, its 2024 now not 2001.

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@OP your words are good, but the site is not. Look at those terms like their users is being restricted.
Limited withdrawals and limited deposits too until you used all your balance you are not able to deposit? What kind of rules is that, i just heard something ridiculous like that.

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3.2.12. BikiniSlots may charge assigned fees for processing deposits. Fees may change over time and current fee structure is specified on the cashier deposit page at the moment of requesting a deposit to the site.

So any user must ask for the permission first if they want to deposit while there is still some balance left on their accounts? that is not fun at all lol
Deposit fees ... man, its 2024 now not 2001.

There is one of the worst wack rules I have ever come across in my history with all online casinos. Are they really there to serve the public, or is the casino just made for family members who are controlling their personal funds and need some restriction in order to protect them from spending too much?
 
The best thing that could have been done is to set a deposit limit, either daily or weekly, if the casino is still new, so they don't run low on budget due to the high rate of winning and need someone to write a letter explaining why I need to top up my balance. Whoever doesn't know the reason for refilling the balance should gamble more and wager with a higher amount.

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Hey OP, you’ve already mentioned the game variety and crypto-friendly.
How about the security and fairness? To ensure the casino is licensed and regulated by a reputable authority, the games are fair, and the money is safe? I don’t see this on that casino.
The casino has no rewarding loyalty program, this will attract and retain players.
And they don’t have customer support. A good casino should have this available 24/7 and can be reached through various channels like live chat or email.

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I’m assuming you’re somehow affiliated with this casino and came up with this post/promo to get us to visit the website. This tactic may work in other places but playing tricks on forum members will not do you any good, I suggest you create an ANN thread like other casinos and post your service there. The website is only a few months old, a new casino should be focused on building a solid reputation. So far you have only made it more difficult to trust you.

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Try Dplay, it's fully powered by XFUN, which you can obtain by swapping some FUN. No KYC either. I'm sure you'll have loads of fun, pun intended.
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I don't know much about this said casino but to me it would be much better people have review of this site to know if they are legit or not because just bring a site and asked people to look into it looks very suspicious, and no reputable member over here would accept to go deposit their funds over there to spin be it free spin they would still find it hard. To me it's better they launch a promotion over here than you just copy a site link elsewhere to post here and whom do you hold responsible if they scam people over here?

The OP should be asking for reviews indeed, just dropping there the link and making a post with a less that great style and English writing looks much more like throwing a link to the algorithm rather than an actual invite to the other forum users to find a similar site in the web. I think the site adds little to what is out there and the process of registering is a bit slow.

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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

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Good luck and happy spinning!

Any recommendations for another casino like that one?



So what happened to your First Casino/Slot game , Have you quit already and now changing strategy  to be asking about  this site? sorry but never heard about this site but will take a look to check which is offering the same .

Here's your last thread  created years ago

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January 24, 2024, 01:32:09 AM
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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

It's not just a casino; it's a lifestyle.

Good luck and happy spinning!

Any recommendations for another casino like that one?

Hope you will earn clickers for that Link but we mostly denied clicking links that has something
like promotional because the way you posted this is sounding not asking but promoting or encouraging , but to sum
it all most casinos has the same offers of games they only has difference from their bonuses and events so just
click each casinos in this Gambling section and check yourself which will give you satisfaction , don't be lazy in
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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

It's not just a casino; it's a lifestyle.

Good luck and happy spinning!

Any recommendations for another casino like that one?








I cannot give opinion because I am not that familiar with that site and yeah like others I don't wanna just click everything from Newbie account.

But I may suggest you playing in Duelbits or Roobet at least and if you wanted to play Plinko then visit Bitvest.io .

also those two sites offers sports betting so enjoy your visit and stay active because they are generously giving to their supporters.









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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

It's not just a casino; it's a lifestyle.

Good luck and happy spinning!

Any recommendations for another casino like that one?

What are you doing now? Are you the owner or part of the casino team? Or is this just spam? We have a casino that has a good reputation on this forum and I just found out about the casino you attached and honestly I'm not interested in trying it. If you are part of a casino team then it is better to create an ANN thread that better reflects your casino

If you plan to do promotions or maybe look for referrals here then use a smarter method, making posts like that will most likely not be successful on this forum. If you want to play at another casino, I think you should try playing at bets.io

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Your first post in this forum represents that you are an official representative of Endorphina, one of the available game provider in this gambling industry but now what you are doing is like promoting one specific casino. Honestly, it is the first time I see one specific game provider try to promote one specific casino. A bit strange for me but maybe it is a common thing that I did not know. Surprisingly, the casino you mentioned here is not even providing endorphina game. It makes stranger if you ask me, how can you as endorphina representative (supposedly) but you try to promote a casino where your games are not even available in the casino.

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Well, they cannot be very good if they resort to "cheap" marketing tactics like this. You are not one of their marketing guys with a small marketing budget... are you?

I also see that the withdrawal limit is very low, so that points to a new casino with a small bankroll, which is always risky for highrollers.

The site looks good, but I will do some more research to see if they are legit.

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Well, they cannot be very good if they resort to "cheap" marketing tactics like this. You are not one of their marketing guys with a small marketing budget... are you?
same thought about those cheap sites that we have witnessed using this same marketing strategy and did not even spend a penny to advertised here and now ends nothing but a dead thread.

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I also see that the withdrawal limit is very low, so that points to a new casino with a small bankroll, which is always risky for highrollers.
limiting so little for withdrawal makes gamblers have idea how low the capital of the site and will only lure newbies and those who have no better understanding about the sites because oldschool gamlers will notice this rightaway.

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The site looks good, but I will do some more research to see if they are legit.
well this legit because the site looks good in their  UI.

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I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

You have previously said that you are a representative of one of the gambling sites. You should know how to promote and gain the trust of forum members. This method is very classic and no one will trust the site you share.
Maybe it's just part of a scam site that you created. You want to get profits from forum members who will deposit their money on your site. but you underestimate forum members too much.
If you want to do business well, do it the right way. I hope you wake up quickly.









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January 24, 2024, 06:44:02 AM
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Well, they cannot be very good if they resort to "cheap" marketing tactics like this. You are not one of their marketing guys with a small marketing budget... are you?

I also see that the withdrawal limit is very low, so that points to a new casino with a small bankroll, which is always risky for highrollers.



I don't know why those people would ever think that simple post like this would attract people to try their casino. For so many reputable casino reputable around for sure this type of cheap marketing they made will surely get ignored by people since they might don't find any relevant on the words posted especially that they don't have any credibility giving their own feedbacks towards that casino they have mentioned.

Also if they want to attract more people especially those high rollers they should set the withdrawal limit high and also they should do more better marketing than this since doing this will just make people think that they have low budget and maybe they can payout them if certain big win hit by a player.

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January 24, 2024, 06:59:47 AM
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I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

You have previously said that you are a representative of one of the gambling sites. You should know how to promote and gain the trust of forum members. This method is very classic and no one will trust the site you share.
Maybe it's just part of a scam site that you created. You want to get profits from forum members who will deposit their money on your site. but you underestimate forum members too much.
If you want to do business well, do it the right way. I hope you wake up quickly.
The first is that have to become copper member and after that have to really make improvements to the promotion board which will be shown in the thread in promoting the gambling site, apart from that, also have to always be active in the forum to be able to provide all the answers regarding some of the feedback still question.
Trust will be difficult to get if the representative from the gambling site doesn't really provide what he should answer and is not active in the forum, when promoting just making thread and leaving it then I sure there won't be any development.
This just looks like site that is being promoted, I haven't tried accessing it but looking at how he created this thread it doesn't show that it can attract many people using the site.
And looking at the feedback given by other users, I can already conclude how the gambling site really is, I might try to access it if the OP has really made lot of statements here regarding the development and progress of the site he is showing.

But if the OP asks for other casino options that are similar to what he has shown then I would say that there are many other casinos that are much bigger and more reliable, and even have very good trust and reputation.
Several of these casinos are also here and he can choose one or use all of them.

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🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

It's not just a casino; it's a lifestyle.

Good luck and happy spinning!

Any recommendations for another casino like that one?

It is your money and you can chose to play wherever you want and and bear the risk. Nothing bad about trying new casinos but you must ensure you do your due diligence. You must check if they are registered in any jurisdiction.

Another key factor is to ensure you read their TOS and confirm their position on KYC and country restrictions. Some of these rules may not be a problem during registration and deposits, it is when you want to withdrawal you will have to find out most of them. I have other reputable casinos that I use and they have been living up to expectations so I don't have any reason to change.

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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

It's not just a casino; it's a lifestyle.

Good luck and happy spinning!

Any recommendations for another casino like that one?

It is your money and you can chose to play wherever you want and and bear the risk. Nothing bad about trying new casinos but you must ensure you do your due diligence. You must check if they are registered in any jurisdiction.
correct no one needs to tel him where to play because it is his decision to find and deal , we can advise but the decision is hers, and choosing is really an issue if we are lazy to find one.

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Another key factor is to ensure you read their TOS and confirm their position on KYC and country restrictions. Some of these rules may not be a problem during registration and deposits, it is when you want to withdrawal you will have to find out most of them. I have other reputable casinos that I use and they have been living up to expectations so I don't have any reason to change.

Almost all TOS are the same , they might be editing some but such the same rules applies by everyone .

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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/


Ok thanks for sharing this casino if the casino is that good why not invite them here and launch a marketing promotion, Bitcointalk as we well know is one of he best platform to launch a casino, they are still unknown to many gamblers until they launch their announcement here and create a campaign, they are not yet that popular.
Many gamblers are not comfortable playing in casino that has no announcement thread here and with active representative.

The top casinos in the industry have a representative here and active campaigns like Stake.com, if they are that good they should launch a marketing for people to know how good there casino is.

Checking additional information on bikinislots.com
Domain Information : https://www.whois.com/whois/bikinislots.com

Domain: bikinislots.com  Registrar:IONOS SE   Registered On:2023-02-28
Expires On:2024-02-28    Updated On: 2023-11-22

They are new in the industry its better they start a massive campaign now, if the developers of that casino is reading this, they should take action.
 

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Hey Casino High Rollers!

🎲 Feeling lucky? I tried a new casino and its totally your gateway to a world of unparalleled excitement and thrilling wins, where the stakes are high, the games are hot, and the wins are even hotter! +They accept crypto

And the wins? Let's just say I've had my fair share of unforgettable moments. The rush of hitting a big win at this Casino. com is an experience like no other.

I really like the games and they are crypto-friendly  🎰 https://bikinislots.com/

It's not just a casino; it's a lifestyle.

Good luck and happy spinning!

Any recommendations for another casino like that one?

Tell us more about your big wins because even if you are targeting the high rolles this site only let you withdraw $2500/week a max of $10k/month

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3.3.11. Upon requesting a withdrawal of winnings, BikiniSlots reserves the right to pay-out the requested amount up to maximum of $2,500 per week and no more than $10,000 USD per month.

I'm sorry but this is not a good site for highrollers.
Maybe 10k a week is high for him? We have no idea the country they are from.

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I think the site adds little to what is out there and the process of registering is a bit slow.
I don't click the link op provided here for security reasons since it's very common for a random user to come post whatever links they wanted at last someone might phished since most of here are not security conscious enough to guide their gadgets and again i don't easily got attracted by with sign up bonus and referral bonuses all these things is what attracts most people to fall victim of scam while some people will like to jeopardized registration bonus by referring themselves.

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