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January 25, 2024, 06:10:28 PM
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Can you please help me to discover WHAT is the name of the market where you only bet that the active or will increase the value or will decrease the value without buying or selling it?
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January 25, 2024, 06:32:34 PM
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Would you mind adding more info on what exactly exchange you looking for?

Are you talking about an exchange without depositing any funds or you talking about an exchange with demo accounts?

If ever you are looking for demo trading accounts check this link below.

- https://learn.bybit.com/crypto/best-crypto-demo-trading-account/

If that's not what you mean then I think you talking about future trading? Have you checked Binance?

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January 25, 2024, 06:36:26 PM
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Would you mind adding more info on what exactly exchange you looking for?

Are you talking about an exchange without depositing any funds or you talking about an exchange with demo accounts?

If ever you are looking for demo trading accounts check this link below.

- https://learn.bybit.com/crypto/best-crypto-demo-trading-account/

Its trading with real money, but instead of buying and selling the cryptos, you will only BET that like in the next 5 minutes the price is gonna go up or go down, and if it happens, you win some amount. I cant find any market like this. I used to use FUTURES at binance many years ago. But now i cant find any market like this because im away from this market for too long.
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January 25, 2024, 07:04:01 PM
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Its trading with real money, but instead of buying and selling the cryptos, you will only BET that like in the next 5 minutes the price is gonna go up or go down, and if it happens, you win some amount. I cant find any market like this. I used to use FUTURES at binance many years ago. But now i cant find any market like this because im away from this market for too long.

What do you mean you can't find any market like Binance's future? Other exchanges also have future trades check this link below.

- https://www.binance.com/en-AE/feed/post/1057131

Or It seems it's a binary option where you can only choose higher or lower I only know one exchange that does this but I'm not sure how safe it is I usually see this on YouTube ads the name of the site is iqoption.com.


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January 25, 2024, 07:21:29 PM
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Its trading with real money, but instead of buying and selling the cryptos, you will only BET that like in the next 5 minutes the price is gonna go up or go down, and if it happens, you win some amount. I cant find any market like this. I used to use FUTURES at binance many years ago. But now i cant find any market like this because im away from this market for too long.

What do you mean you can't find any market like Binance's future? Other exchanges also have future trades check this link below.

- https://www.binance.com/en-AE/feed/post/1057131

Or It seems it's a binary option where you can only choose higher or lower I only know one exchange that does this but I'm not sure how safe it is I usually see this on YouTube ads the name of the site is iqoption.com.



I believe they did change the name of it, so thats why im not finding. I believe its Margin now, but im not sure
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January 25, 2024, 07:23:21 PM
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Can you please help me to discover WHAT is the name of the market where you only bet that the active or will increase the value or will decrease the value without buying or selling it?
You mean derivative trading? You will be able able to use the coin you have to trade but not buying coin like in the spot market. You can use exchanges like Binance, OKX, Bybit, HTX, Kucoin and some other exchanges.  All you have to do is to go to their future trading page.

Or you are talking about options? On the exchanges I mentioned, like Binance, you will see option trading under future trading.

I believe they did change the name of it, so thats why im not finding. I believe its Margin now, but im not sure
Margin trading is similar but not the same as future trading, you may be talking about future trading. Just go there and see if it is future trading that you are talking about. If it is margin trading, go to trading on Binance, you will see margin trading beside spot trading.

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January 25, 2024, 07:31:02 PM
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Can you please help me to discover WHAT is the name of the market where you only bet that the active or will increase the value or will decrease the value without buying or selling it?
You mean derivative trading? You will be able able to use the coin you have to trade but not buying coin like in the spot market. You can use exchanges like Binance, OKX, Bybit, HTX, Kucoin and some other exchanges.  All you have to do is to go to their future trading page.

Or you are talking about options? On the exchanges I mentioned, like Binance, you will see option trading under future trading.

I believe they did change the name of it, so thats why im not finding. I believe its Margin now, but im not sure
Margin trading is similar but not the same as future trading, you may be talking about future trading. Just go there and see if it is future trading that you are talking about. If it is margin trading, go to trading on Binance, you will see margin trading beside spot trading.

Its indeed future trading, but im note able to find it at binance anymore
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January 25, 2024, 07:34:32 PM
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Its indeed future trading, but im note able to find it at binance anymore
How do you want to access Binance? Is it through the web or the Android app or Windows app?

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January 25, 2024, 07:40:47 PM
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Its indeed future trading, but im note able to find it at binance anymore
How do you want to access Binance? Is it through the web or the Android app or Windows app?

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Can you please help me to discover WHAT is the name of the market where you only bet that the active or will increase the value or will decrease the value without buying or selling it?

This is called binary options. But I do not recommend binary options trading, as you can lose all your money due to the fact that fraud is very common in binary options trading. In many countries of the world binary options trading services are prohibited as high risk operations, and also in many countries of the world binary options are equated to gambling.


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January 25, 2024, 07:47:32 PM
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Its indeed future trading, but im note able to find it at binance anymore
How do you want to access Binance? Is it through the web or the Android app or Windows app?

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It is clearly written on Binance Android app:



In the above image, at the lowest part, you can see Home, Markets, Trade, Futures and Wallets. Click on Futures to access the future trading.

Under futures, you will see USD-M, Coin-M, Options, Bots and Copy trading.

On Binance, you can read articles about them more and also watch the video that Binance will show you when you are about to trade with any of it. You can also search for the video on the Binance app.

Know that future trading is very risky. Use less than the amount of money that you can afford to lose to trade futures. It is dangerous than spot trading.

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January 25, 2024, 07:48:24 PM
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Can you please help me to discover WHAT is the name of the market where you only bet that the active or will increase the value or will decrease the value without buying or selling it?

This is called binary options. But I do not recommend binary options trading, as you can lose all your money due to the fact that fraud is very common in binary options trading. In many countries of the world binary options trading services are prohibited as high risk operations, and also in many countries of the world binary options are equated to gambling.



Im from Brasil. And here everything related to gambling are being regulated. So maybe thats why i cant find it on binance anymore. Thanks.
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January 25, 2024, 08:00:52 PM
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Im from Brasil. And here everything related to gambling are being regulated. So maybe thats why i cant find it on binance anymore. Thanks.
Derivative trading by some exchanges like Binance, Bybit and many others is banned in Brazil. I do not think Brazil is against derivative trading, but Brazilian regulators do not give the exchanges permission.

Binance halt derivative trading in Brazil in 2021.

Read more about it here:
https://scambinance.com/latest-news/198-binance-almost-banned-futures-trading-in-brazil.html
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/binance-halts-offering-crypto-derivatives-in-brazil-2021-8

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January 25, 2024, 08:26:40 PM
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Im from Brasil. And here everything related to gambling are being regulated. So maybe thats why i cant find it on binance anymore. Thanks.

I can't say whether binary options trading is banned in Brazil or not, but it turns out it is possible to trade binary options in Brazil. Whether it is legal or illegal you can find out for yourself by searching for information about it or you can ask a lawyer in your country.

Here is a relatively new article (October 27, 2023) on trading binary options in Brazil - Binary options trading in Brazil 2024

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January 26, 2024, 05:01:23 AM
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Can you please help me to discover WHAT is the name of the market where you only bet that the active or will increase the value or will decrease the value without buying or selling it?
It is called Option trading, you will not trade the actual market but bet it in relation to a specific time whether it will hold above a price or hold below it until that time lapses. Well, it is a very good way to make money with the market, but it is not so easy to find a good options broker and I stopped using the ones offered by crypto exchanges because they are nonsense, they will definitely cheat you (not scam) which is why it is not popular among traders. I even requested here last year for any suggestions on good Option brokers/exchanges, but none was able to furnish me with any good answer, not to talk of a satisfactory one.

The issue is that if you are looking to bet on crypto, you might not see a good one, this is because of my earlier reason, exchanges do not offer it properly, and those who claim they offer it apart from exchanges are only scammers, you can't guarantee your withdrawal through them which makes it so ugly somehow. But if it is to bet on Forex, I know a broker (Dukascopy), which is also an investment bank in Switzerland. That is the only one I can recommend, but no crypto options, and the minimum deposit is $1,000.

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This is called binary options. But I do not recommend binary options trading, as you can lose all your money due to the fact that fraud is very common in binary options trading. In many countries of the world binary options trading services are prohibited as high risk operations, and also in many countries of the world binary options are equated to gambling.
SO that thing does exist? I have never heard of this type of trading but it sure is a welcome information to be had but then my awe and happiness for this new knowledge is quickly removed by the fact that it's full of fraudsters abusing it, I wouldn't say high risk though, it's dangerous as it is and I don't think no one should do this because they're better off giving that money to some homeless guy if they want to waste their money on this.



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If you have a coin you can stake the coin to get profit and increase your assets higher.
But if you don't have a coin, you don't buy or sell, you don't get any benefits. trading is a buying and selling process without you doing the selling process or the buying process, it's not trading.
you go short or long in futures or margin trading you also sell or buy.
in demo trading you must sell or buy. without buy or sell you can not call trading

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You're either describing futures, or options.

Regardless, if you're unable to access both on exchanges that you use, not sure if you have already tried doing DeFi stuff on-chain but you can use DEXs like HyperLiquid/GMX(futures) or Aevo/Lyra(options). As always, dyor.

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Its trading with real money, but instead of buying and selling the cryptos, you will only BET that like in the next 5 minutes the price is gonna go up or go down, and if it happens, you win some amount. I cant find any market like this. I used to use FUTURES at binance many years ago. But now i cant find any market like this because im away from this market for too long.

What do you mean you can't find any market like Binance's future? Other exchanges also have future trades check this link below.

- https://www.binance.com/en-AE/feed/post/1057131

Or It seems it's a binary option where you can only choose higher or lower I only know one exchange that does this but I'm not sure how safe it is I usually see this on YouTube ads the name of the site is iqoption.com.



It's binary option i think too.Youre basically making bets on whether maybe the price of a stock or currency will go up or down in a given time. If you guess right, you win some money and if not, you might lose what you put in. It's like predicting market moves without actually buying or selling the real stuff. It's a bit of a gamble and not without risks

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I can't say whether binary options trading is banned in Brazil or not, but it turns out it is possible to trade binary options in Brazil. Whether it is legal or illegal you can find out for yourself by searching for information about it or you can ask a lawyer in your country.
Just like I said in my previous post, derivative trading is not banned in Brazil but those exchanges like Binance are banned not to provide such services to Brazilians.

You're either describing futures, or options.
Yes that is it. But it is good to know that options is part of future trading on exchanges that I have seen. It is also a derivative market trading. That is what most people do not know. But to me it is just gambling.

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Can you please help me to discover WHAT is the name of the market where you only bet that the active or will increase the value or will decrease the value without buying or selling it?

You mean that you are looking a forum where you can keep your money, that means you want to keep your money there, and then you want to continue earning. You want benefit without trading, without hard work, without doing any work yourself, if you want to earn In that way better option what you have, then it is better that a person keeps money in the bank, and you get what you have annually and monthly interest. He will be found on the basis of percentage.

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Binary options are more dangerous than investing in futures contracts, so many countries do not offer them. They are closer to gambling than investment, and the platforms that provide this option are limited, so even if you find a service, it will not be as reliable as trading in binance.

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Binary options are more dangerous than investing in futures contracts, so many countries do not offer them. They are closer to gambling than investment, and the platforms that provide this option are limited, so even if you find a service, it will not be as reliable as trading in binance.

Im interest in trading futures actually.

You mean that you are looking a forum where you can keep your money, that means you want to keep your money there, and then you want to continue earning. You want benefit without trading, without hard work, without doing any work yourself, if you want to earn In that way better option what you have, then it is better that a person keeps money in the bank, and you get what you have annually and monthly interest. He will be found on the basis of percentage.

You didnt understand. I did answer at previous responses that im actually looking for the futures trading. So, i do not want to trade without investing, hard work or anything. That kind of investment that you said at the final i already have, they are no-risk investments. Im looking for the risk ones now.

I can't say whether binary options trading is banned in Brazil or not, but it turns out it is possible to trade binary options in Brazil. Whether it is legal or illegal you can find out for yourself by searching for information about it or you can ask a lawyer in your country.
Just like I said in my previous post, derivative trading is not banned in Brazil but those exchanges like Binance are banned not to provide such services to Brazilians.

You're either describing futures, or options.
Yes that is it. But it is good to know that options is part of future trading on exchanges that I have seen. It is also a derivative market trading. That is what most people do not know. But to me it is just gambling.

Youre right. Its futures. And yes i cant access it on binance in Brasil.

If you have a coin you can stake the coin to get profit and increase your assets higher.
But if you don't have a coin, you don't buy or sell, you don't get any benefits. trading is a buying and selling process without you doing the selling process or the buying process, it's not trading.
you go short or long in futures or margin trading you also sell or buy.
in demo trading you must sell or buy. without buy or sell you can not call trading

I have some shitcoins and a tiny amount of usdt but i want to trade some futures, but unfortunately i discovered with some help here that its not available in Brasil anymore.

Can you please help me to discover WHAT is the name of the market where you only bet that the active or will increase the value or will decrease the value without buying or selling it?
It is called Option trading, you will not trade the actual market but bet it in relation to a specific time whether it will hold above a price or hold below it until that time lapses. Well, it is a very good way to make money with the market, but it is not so easy to find a good options broker and I stopped using the ones offered by crypto exchanges because they are nonsense, they will definitely cheat you (not scam) which is why it is not popular among traders. I even requested here last year for any suggestions on good Option brokers/exchanges, but none was able to furnish me with any good answer, not to talk of a satisfactory one.

The issue is that if you are looking to bet on crypto, you might not see a good one, this is because of my earlier reason, exchanges do not offer it properly, and those who claim they offer it apart from exchanges are only scammers, you can't guarantee your withdrawal through them which makes it so ugly somehow. But if it is to bet on Forex, I know a broker (Dukascopy), which is also an investment bank in Switzerland. That is the only one I can recommend, but no crypto options, and the minimum deposit is $1,000.

I apreciate your comment. Yes, many years ago i made some money at futures, but now its not available anymore in my country. So, i dont think im gonna be able to use this one you suggest. And yes, it doenst have to be crypto straight, i can use fiat.



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It is called binary option. You can do it if you want but I will say it is not safe at all. This can make you a victim of a lot of scams. First of all, you will not find a trustworthy broker.  Again, even if you get a broker, there is no guarantee that you will be able to exchange. Because almost all exchangers here are scammers. It has high risk. I would say it is better not to engage in it. But it all depends on your personal opinion.


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January 27, 2024, 11:10:24 PM
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It is called binary option. You can do it if you want but I will say it is not safe at all. This can make you a victim of a lot of scams. First of all, you will not find a trustworthy broker.  Again, even if you get a broker, there is no guarantee that you will be able to exchange. Because almost all exchangers here are scammers. It has high risk. I would say it is better not to engage in it. But it all depends on your personal opinion.

I just found out that changing binance's app language to portuguese from portugal releases the futures market. So im gonna try there a little bit. Thanks for sharing your advice!
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It is called Option trading, you will not trade the actual market but bet it in relation to a specific time whether it will hold above a price or hold below it until that time lapses. Well, it is a very good way to make money with the market, but it is not so easy to find a good options broker and I stopped using the ones offered by crypto exchanges because they are nonsense, they will definitely cheat you (not scam) which is why it is not popular among traders.
That is what he said, so no need to define it. But great that you already gave the answer to what he was looking for. This is one of the variation of trading but like the others, I won't say it's good. For me, this was only similar to gambling. No wonder why we can find this on some gambling platforms.

We can do this alone, so there is no need to find a broker for this. Doing so is also safer. You should mention the name of that exchange that you don't like, so that we can avoid it. I know they are not popular but we all know the people, they are curious and likes to try new and and unpopular stuffs. This should save them from losing money.

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Can you please help me to discover WHAT is the name of the market where you only bet that the active or will increase the value or will decrease the value without buying or selling it?

This is called binary options. But I do not recommend binary options trading, as you can lose all your money due to the fact that fraud is very common in binary options trading. In many countries of the world binary options trading services are prohibited as high risk operations, and also in many countries of the world binary options are equated to gambling.



Of a truth binary option is just almost same as gambling because you're just concerned about staking on each of the coins blindly without knowing what the outcome of each of them would be so it can even lead to huge losses so to best is just to buy and acquire a coin then you can monitor the activities of other coins in the market so if eventually you see any signal of any coin having more significant gain than the one you acquired then you can sell it off and buy that potential coin that you feel it gonna increase in value, I think that one is preferable than monitoring activities of coins in the market and staking on each of them which is a very high risk situation

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Binary options are more dangerous than investing in futures contracts, so many countries do not offer them. They are closer to gambling than investment, and the platforms that provide this option are limited, so even if you find a service, it will not be as reliable as trading in binance.
It would not be wrong to consider binary trading as gambling rather than trading. Futures trading is as risky as binary trading. Binary trading should never be done while new. If a trader is new to trading then he can start his trading journey through spot trading as this trading is very risk free. Risk free means that there is usually no chance of losing money completely in such trading. If a trader trades in spot trading, maybe if he trades at the wrong time, his money may suffer some loss, but if he can be patient and wait for a good time, then the market can go back to a good state. 

As much as you understand about binary trading, suddenly a candle can turn negative or positive and based on the negative or positive candle your capital will be saved or lost. So I think such risky trading should not be done in the beginning.

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January 29, 2024, 05:22:31 AM
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I think what he is referring to is what collateral to use for trading futures. I guess he doesn’t want to use bitcoin or Ethereum as his collateral because the underlying could go down in value and he will lose his initial investment.

Basically most futures and derivatives in crypto are mostly USDT collaterized. Back with Bitmex we were stuck with holding bitcoin as our margin but now you can do this with stablecoins pretty much.

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January 30, 2024, 01:26:12 PM
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I think you are discussing about the gambling. In gambling you don't need to buy any thing. You just put a long position if it hits you will get your profit and if it goes opposites then you will get a specified loss as per your investment.
I did not experience the gambling, but people's are making lot of money by doing this.

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I think you are discussing about the gambling. In gambling you don't need to buy any thing. You just put a long position if it hits you will get your profit and if it goes opposites then you will get a specified loss as per your investment.
I did not experience the gambling, but people's are making lot of money by doing this.

It often has a lot of losses if you see that the gain is high, but it is necessarily high because there are things in it that you cannot understand,  if you went long on a position. If you have done it, you should also understand how much you have to leverage. The more leverage you have, the more your loss will be the target will be liquidated. There will be savings, but keeping more news will give you more income, so the chances of losing your money are more, so you should avoid this thing, because this thing can cause harm and less benefit. Because you will be worried about it all the time.

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I think you are discussing about the gambling. In gambling you don't need to buy any thing. You just put a long position if it hits you will get your profit and if it goes opposites then you will get a specified loss as per your investment.
I did not experience the gambling, but people's are making lot of money by doing this.
I think not, because this section is about trading. The OP is referring to a binary option where you will be associated with a broker that sells stocks, so they are the ones who will contact the potential investors, so it is impossible not to buy anything or stake money in crypto currency, but the thing is, associating with brokers might be very dangerous as some of them may be scams, so it's better to don't invest if you don't want to by anything, because in crypto investment you will need to buy assets in order to earn. And for you, gambling is different. Yes, you will not buy anything like assets, but it is too risky as there is a large percentage that you will lose your money there, and it is also not recommended or treated as an investment. I don't know why many people who want to be investors want to make money in an easy way. Please give some time and effort if you really want to earn something.

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It is called binary option. You can do it if you want but I will say it is not safe at all. This can make you a victim of a lot of scams. First of all, you will not find a trustworthy broker.  Again, even if you get a broker, there is no guarantee that you will be able to exchange. Because almost all exchangers here are scammers. It has high risk. I would say it is better not to engage in it. But it all depends on your personal opinion.

It is also better that a person invests in a place where he can benefit first of all choose a good exchange so that he is not taking the name of this exchange run and that exchange has been working for years like Binanc. It is a very great exchange I am using it myself also a broker for myself there are good brokers not only those who are scammers there are also good brokers take help from them In the beginning, once you learn up, then do not take help from them, but until you learn, you will need a lot of help, because without learning and without understanding, you can never do up trading, you will only do your own loss, so avoid this loss. So we have to search for a good exchange first and also good broker.

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I think you are discussing about the gambling. In gambling you don't need to buy any thing. You just put a long position if it hits you will get your profit and if it goes opposites then you will get a specified loss as per your investment.
I did not experience the gambling, but people's are making lot of money by doing this.
It's also not just about gambling if it's just buying and not holding any assets. If you trade in Binary Options it will be the same as gambling, just determine Long or Short and it looks very simple but it will give you a lot of losses if your position is wrong. People who make a lot of money from gambling like that certainly have a lot of losses too, don't just look at the many profits, ask about the losses too.
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Ooh,if you are looking for a betting site for crypto and Bitcoin,why not check
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February 21, 2024, 03:42:02 PM
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it is good to know that options is part of future trading on exchanges that I have seen. It is also a derivative market trading. That is what most people do not know. But to me it is just gambling.
But, I believe that options trading cannot be a part of futures trading because, in futures, you still buy and hold positions for a certain amount of time, while in options trading, you don't buy anything but simply predict the future outcome of an asset whether it will go up or go down in the next 30 seconds, 1 minutes, 2 minutes, or any timeframe that you choose based on your personal preferences and understanding of the market.

Futures trading is risky, of course, and someone without much knowledge and experience about the market can barely earn a profit from it, losing your capital and getting liquidated are always available possibilities. However, options trading is way riskier than it because you are straight up gambling with your money on the market and we all know how unpredictable the market gets most of the time.

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Futures, forex and options.

Futures trading is risky, of course, and someone without much knowledge and experience about the market can barely earn a profit from it, losing your capital and getting liquidated are always available possibilities. However, options trading is way riskier than it because you are straight up gambling with your money on the market and we all know how unpredictable the market gets most of the time.
They can try it for them to see if it's a good idea to get on it. Because if they're not going to understand how does futures works, they'll get liquidated easily.

It is deemed by many as another source of income which is true but it's not that easy how they think that they'll pass on and have successful trades.



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