Should bitcointalk ban promotion of other forums?

[krishnaverma]

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

it's fine, I mean I think even Theymos is fine about it, he mentioned that he tries to make the forum as free as possible(I assume that includes people advertising other forums). if you've been in the forum long enough you'll know come to find out that a forum called Cryptotalk.org that was owned by Yobit ran a signature campaign here.

The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible. Eg. banning bounties would undoubtedly reduce spam, but that'd be destroying an entire economy/population/culture which has been able to develop due to the forum's freedom. I am willing to take this sort of action, but only as an absolute last resort. It's always preferable to handle these problems by reshaping the environment to make them non-problems, rather than removing some freedom.

Yes, I know about cryptotalk.org. They failed to make any impact even after spending so much money paying users. Personally, I as a forum owner will never allow a competing forum to advertise on my forum though.

[BITCOIN4X]

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Personally, I as a forum owner will never allow a competing forum to advertise on my forum though.

Of course, but only if you really believe that there will be thousands of users who will switch to another forum rather than continue using bitcointalk regularly. You don't need to worry about other forums advertised here (if any), people are free to choose any forum and discuss bitcoin.

But if you're worried, I wonder what you're worried about that you don't want to have competitors?

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Oh I never said forums are totally dead; there will still be decent amounts activity for sure(especially niche stuff, like tech/programming), but if stretch it out in a longer timespan, they've been easily dying to modern equivalents(modern social media sites, Reddit, etc).

Well, I am not so sure because in the forum I posted before there are a lot of young people, teenagers, who participate. It is especially noticeable when there are school holidays when you see them in the general forum making up stories or asking stupid questions (and they don't get paid for writing). These same young people also have social media, not instead of.

[yhiaali3]

I think everyone gave you the correct answer. The Bitcoin Talk forum is too big to consider one of the forums as a competitor to it. This is the largest and oldest Bitcoin forum ever, so I don't think that members should pay this forum owner or take his permission just to talk about other forums, then Thymos announced several times that the forum is satisfied with money and he does not even care about paid advertisements on the forum.

This falls within the scope of personal freedom. If anyone likes an idea in one forum, he has the right to transfer it to another forum, mentioning the source, so that it is not considered plagiarism. and vice versa. This does not involve competition or offense to anyone.

[acroman08]

Yes, I know about cryptotalk.org. They failed to make any impact even after spending so much money paying users.

not only that, they doomed themselves from the get-go, the only reason why people flocked to their platform in the first place was because of the incentive of being paid just by posting. then once they started putting requirements and banning certain countries, the "active" users on their platform started to drop.

Personally, I as a forum owner will never allow a competing forum to advertise on my forum though.

that's good, I mean it's your forum and you'll decide what can be advertised or not.

But if you're worried, I wonder what you're worried about that you don't want to have competitors?

one thing I can think of is OP is afraid of losing active users.

[Botnake]

That only proves that bitcointalk does not care about its competitors, or let’s just say are there really competitors that are reputable and incredible like bitcointalk? I believe there’s none so there’s nothing to worry about because at the end of the day, those who have high faith in this forum will stay and those who have not are free to go.

Bitcointalk is clearly promoting freedom to everyone, most particularly when it comes to expressing our opinions and ideas. There’s no wrong here, every opinion and idea is right, and we can always chose to improve our own opinions and ideas from learning to others words of wisdom. That’s the high advantage of bitcointalk from other forums, competition is not a barrier and will not matter at all.

[OgNasty]

That only proves that bitcointalk does not care about its competitors, or let’s just say are there really competitors that are reputable and incredible like bitcointalk? I believe there’s none so there’s nothing to worry about because at the end of the day, those who have high faith in this forum will stay and those who have not are free to go.

Bitcointalk is clearly promoting freedom to everyone, most particularly when it comes to expressing our opinions and ideas. There’s no wrong here, every opinion and idea is right, and we can always chose to improve our own opinions and ideas from learning to others words of wisdom. That’s the high advantage of bitcointalk from other forums, competition is not a barrier and will not matter at all.

I wouldn’t say they don’t care about their competitor. I’d say they don’t care to spend another second than they have to in order to manage this forum. BTC revenue is drying up as a result of this lack of wanting to put time in and I haven’t looked at the numbers recently but I wouldn’t be surprised if this forum is now operating on a BTC deficit. As it should considering the hands off management approach has resulted in the destruction of a useful trust network and the complete abandonment of talent here. It’s a slow motion train wreck and nobody with the ability to do so has any desire to change it as they’ve already gotten all the BTC they ever will from it.

[Alpha Marine]

Competing forums?
For a forum to compete with this one, it has to be a better coin IMO. I don't think this forum is in any competition with anybody and putting restrictions like that is kind of against what Bitcoin stands for. Bitcoin stands for freedom, so people should be allowed to do what they want to do as long as it's not illegal.
I believe a "competing forum" should only be restricted here if they carry out illicit activities on that forum, but if the forum is something like this, I don't see a new.
More forums make it easier for people to get more knowledge.

The way I see it, restrictions like that will further push people to abandon the forum and seek out places within the community where they will be relatively more free to express themselves.

[Julien_Olynpic]

I think that most likely the startpost is referring to Altcoinstalks. This is probably the only alternative to Bitcoin now. All other crypto forums are quite small. AE was the forum that almost died, but it was revived due to the fact that cryptomixers left the BT forum. But they didn’t go into the void, they went to the Altcoinstalks forum. Thanks to the influx of subscribers paying in Bitcoin, AT began to revive. And if you look at his statistics, everything is great there now. Currently there are 8 subscriptions with payment in bitcoins. In addition, there is such a thing as a “teleportation program”. This means that any user from this forum can move there while maintaining their rank. This is good marketing.

[NotATether]

I wouldn’t say they don’t care about their competitor. I’d say they don’t care to spend another second than they have to in order to manage this forum. BTC revenue is drying up as a result of this lack of wanting to put time in and I haven’t looked at the numbers recently but I wouldn’t be surprised if this forum is now operating on a BTC deficit.

Theymos stopped the banner auctions a long time ago, so Bitcointalk really is running on a deficit.

[Jawhead999]

Since theymos didn't take action to completely ban people who promote Yobit or Cryptotalk, I guess there's will be no action too with altcoinstalks or any other forums that offer pay per post campaigns.

Theymos stopped the banner auctions a long time ago, so Bitcointalk really is running on a deficit.

I have no proof, but the forum still makes money by offering copper membership and evil IP address.

[GeorgeJohn]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

Their is no comparison or a competition concerning people of bitcointalk, what we are interested of is to ensure that we have make our self to be reliable and reputable, we don't need to comparing our forum with another forum, what we should be asking ourselves is what have we understood through the forum since we have partaken in forum, so I know quite well this forum is something that have to do with knowledge, impacting the knowledge of bitcoin and it technology across, so for bitcointalk we don't have competition within members of the forum.

[Majestic-milf]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. 

Well there you have it. The forum is not really bothered about such things because they aren't really in any form of competition. Maybe these other sites get bothered simply because users may get attracted by those sites and may want to move over to those places, thereby causing less traffic for them.
I feel the owner is ok with other forums as long as they don't have anything illegal about them.

[aTriz]

To add to what I said above, I think someone might have asked this question before a very long time ago and if I remember correctly theymos even commented on it if someone wants to do some digging to see what he said.

Yobit and Cryptotalk had their signature campaign to shill Cryptotalk forum in 2019. Because initially it was a spam campaign, Bitcointalk community reacted to it and yahoo took over the campaign to clean spammers from participant list.

theymos even banned the Yobit account here because of abuse and some spammers from that campaign but eventually, he allowed Cryptotalk forum to advertise here via a signature campaign under yahoo62278.

I don't think that was it. I think someone else directly asked whether it was OK or allowed to advertise a competing forum and thyemos gave his opinion.

would love to know what Theymos said. I wish someone could dig that post up.
but I can assume theymose probably said he's ok with that. I don't see why would he not allow posting about other forums when thousands of other websites of any kind being promoted everyday here.
That's the beautify of this forum to give full freedom of it's users. as long as they stay constructive and use related boards to post their topics.

[Z_MBFM]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

Which forums have limitations on other forum promotions?  other forums are not as popular as btt so he might do this but I haven't seen it yet as I'm not familiar with the forums much. bitcointalk has always given everyone the freedom to use the forum freely. But it is always countered by scam projects, spreading fake news which is maintained by DT members. If someone is seen cheating or promoting a scam project, he is flagged with a red tag by DT members. actions are taken against plagiarism posts here too. but not for taking or promoting another forum

[tread93]

I honestly don't see a huge problem with it, they are probably cross promoting Btslk anyhow. I have actually been thinking about joining other forums as well but for other purposes. Like I am interested in a hackers forum and maybe some other IT related forums etc just for educational purposes.

[Casdinyard]

Nope. Most Simple Machines Forum sites have a basic cross-platform functionality and if bitcointalk were to ban the usage of other sites/promotion of other forums in here that would be a complete removal of a nifty feature that would’ve helped bitcointalk to reach other sites and potential users all because we don’t want to “promote” other sites.

Plus bitcointalk’s literally referred to as the advertiser forum for people and projects who want to get into advertising and increasing brand audience. The ban on mixers while necessary is already bad enough against its brand presence, barring access to crypto forums that allow promotion of brands that are barred from this site is going to cause even more problems for bitcointalk trust me.

Lastly, there is no real reason for theymos and the folks to ban the usage of crypto forums besides themselves. It’s already the number 1 site to go for when you’re thinking of getting into the crypto world. It has cemented itself in its top spot so there’s no undermining or sabotage that would happen that could change anything.

[philipma1957]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

so lets list these

telegram does miner sales which is competitive to our marketplace
discord teaches you how to mine various coins
meta promotes many miners and companies
x promotes many coins which is competitive to our forum
ebay does miner sales which is competitive to our marketplace
reddit so many ways they compete.
altcoinstalks competes on many levels.


I invite others to add to the list above.

[Sanitough]

I guess there’s no forum rule that talks about that. Probably because bitcointalk forum is not threaten by other forums and so no matter how often you advertise other forums, that won’t break the rule. However, just for the sake of being a responsible and trustworthy member, know what is good from bad before you insist it doing in the forum. At least, you should know how to respect the forum and its admin staff.

[JollyGood]

I think there is probably a worry or question from some members (including the OP) about what is potentially allowed to be discussed because of the recent mixers ban. It is possible it has raised concerns because of the number of members that have teleported to a forum that could continue to grow further in terms of influence as well as traffic.

I honestly don't see a huge problem with it, they are probably cross promoting Btslk anyhow. I have actually been thinking about joining other forums as well but for other purposes. Like I am interested in a hackers forum and maybe some other IT related forums etc just for educational purposes.