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February 08, 2024, 04:31:48 PM
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Question. I have read in The United States personal debt can be a serious matter, and a very crippling problem for many people who live in debt. How realistically it would be to say it has something to do with the personal mathematical pro-efficiency such person has to manage numbers in general?
I ask because to me, money management in a personal level is just matter of adding basic income and subtracting the expenses, the needs and wants, etc.
Would not be unfair to say people cannot do math and hence become involved in a very serious debt?
If that was true then you would be implying a very important percentage of the people of the United States cannot do math to a basic level. I would like to think that is just rather a stereotype foreigners have on them.  Sad

It might be an exaggeration that "most" can't do basic math but for sure "many" can't. And when it comes to money and debt, there are some shitty business practices, like selling big items with a focus on monthly payments and not on the total cost. For example if you buy a car, all you'll ever hear (unless you specifically ask the right questions) at a dealership is your monthly loan or lease payment. "Just put your signature on this disclosure page, it's fine, don't worry about the $20k interest and $10k in dealership fees, the monthly payment is still what you wanted it to be, because we extended your loan to 8 years".

But all the sketchy-borderline-fraud salesmanship aside, at the root of it all is people not doing math, whether they're too stupid or too lazy.

Those situations you just described actually sound borderline illegal, to be honest. Are you implying people in the United States need to have a private lawyer in order to buy a car with the peace of mind of not being scammed?  Sad
I mean, I was aware there were much people there trying to screw others for a living, but I never thought it was such an endemic thing, to the point one cannot easily buy a car without having to be aware of hidden fees or longer-than-expected loans.
Here it is different, we dont have credit, just recently we have managed to get some of our inflation under control, so banks have managed to increase credits again for the average citizen, not much only 200-300$ limits for cards. If one wants to buy a car or a house one needs to have all the cash on hand at the moment of signing the property transference. No added fees or anything like it.
It is interesting how the excess of credit or the lack of it can have an impact of the "economal culture" of a whole population and a whole country.
I wonder how the life style of the average American person would change if they did bot have access to credit, as it happened to us for many years...

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February 08, 2024, 06:56:29 PM
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Those situations you just described actually sound borderline illegal, to be honest. Are you implying people in the United States need to have a private lawyer in order to buy a car with the peace of mind of not being scammed?  Sad

Don't need a lawyer, just need a functioning brain really. Except some people see the bling of a $100k pickup truck in neighbor's driveway and they think they MUST HAVE a bigger shinier one because that's how we roll. It is possible to pay with cash... however many (or most) people are addicted to debt so can't accept the possibility of living within their means and will agree to any scammy deal that allows them to have the shiny thing for "only $700 a month" (probably closer to $2000 for the aforementioned $100k pickup but I digress).

Nothing particularly wrong with borrowing money for a house or even for a car, if there are advantages of doing that (e.g. opportunity cost vs interest, or depreciation vs interest), it's when debt creates the illusion of being able to afford things that you can't really afford... that's when major issues happen, like the subprime crisis of 2008, and likely will cause the next bubble, and so on.

But you can't put math on your driveway to outbling your neighbors so people don't use math.

Americans have no idea how much power they've given their executive branch over the last decades. The IRS is just a weaponization tool against the common working man. The elites will pay whoever they need to pay to work around the system because they can afford it.

"common working man" likely pays a lot less to the IRS compared to state/county/city/sales/property taxes. That's where the real government grift happens but that's too complicated for a campaign slogan. Not that the convoluted federal tax forms couldn't use an overhaul, but the whole IRS obsession is more of a distraction from the absurd flustercuck of thousands of different tax jurisdictions trying to fuck you over whichever way they can because freedom.
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"common working man" likely pays a lot less to the IRS compared to state/county/city/sales/property taxes.
which is why you never own your home even if you have the loan paid off. you have to pay rent to the government for having your name on the deed. so people don't own houses. nor do they own land. they are simply tenants with a piece of paper that requires them to pay up every year or lose it.

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That's where the real government grift happens but that's too complicated for a campaign slogan. Not that the convoluted federal tax forms couldn't use an overhaul, but the whole IRS obsession is more of a distraction from the absurd flustercuck of thousands of different tax jurisdictions trying to fuck you over whichever way they can because freedom.
you're right.

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"common working man" likely pays a lot less to the IRS compared to state/county/city/sales/property taxes.
which is why you never own your home even if you have the loan paid off. you have to pay rent to the government for having your name on the deed. so people don't own houses. nor do they own land. they are simply tenants with a piece of paper that requires them to pay up every year or lose it.

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That's where the real government grift happens but that's too complicated for a campaign slogan. Not that the convoluted federal tax forms couldn't use an overhaul, but the whole IRS obsession is more of a distraction from the absurd flustercuck of thousands of different tax jurisdictions trying to fuck you over whichever way they can because freedom.
you're right.



You're both wrong. The birth certificate is a transfer of property form. Your parents signed you away in trust to the government. If you don't formally make statement to the government that you are an adult, no longer of trust age, they hold you in trust. They are the trustee. You don't own yourself because of this.

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March 18, 2024, 05:58:34 PM
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He has not paid income Tax in over 30 years.
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