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February 03, 2024, 09:54:49 AM
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To answer your question, there is nothing stopping anybody from creating a copy of Bitcoin protocol or Bitcoin blockchain and creating a new altcoin like BCH, BCH-SV, BSV, BTCX, BTD,.... like 2017. The only thing stopping them is the fact that creating such useless copies can only work for a little while at the beginning (ie. 2017) but people slowly learn about their uselessness and most importantly learn how to dump their "airdropped coins" which means the price of these shitcoins drops a lot quicker now compared to the beginning where majority of users were confused about how they should sell them.
After those failed forked coins, altcoin developers created another trend, Wrapped Bitcoin tokens.

If anyone already witnessed the fiasco of Terra stable coin $UST, they will understand risk of Wrapped Bitcoin tokens. They are not bitcoin and just altcoins with pegs to Bitcoin. However, their pegs can be depegged and I prioritize my capital safety than convenience. Saving some money in transaction fees (by selling Bitcoin to stable coins, then using stable coins to buy altcoins) by buying Wrapped Bitcoin tokens is not worthy in my opinion. If wrapped tokens depeg, I will lose my money.

If I buy bitcoin, no depeg and I can sleep very well.

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February 03, 2024, 02:06:39 PM
Last edit: February 03, 2024, 03:11:37 PM by ChiBitCTy
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Bitcoin itself doesn't fork, it's only correct to say that Bitcoin forked when there's a major split in the network and both are claiming to be Bitcoin. Instead you should say that people are creating altcoins by forking Bitcoin. I don't know if people still do it, probably yes, but it's irrelevant if those forks are not listed on exchanges, because you can't do anything with them. The hype around BTC forks died a long time ago, these days the hype is about Bitcoin NFTS and new altcoins.

I get that..you knew what I meant. I also understand what you’re saying overall.  There’s a few forks that are worth something still and not dead..bcash ($240), bitcoin gold ($23),  BSV, hard fork of Bcash ($73).  I think there’s one or two others worth a few bucks. Bitcoin Diamond was worth something at one point, but it’s now at .08 cents, and so dying it is , but not dead. It’s nothing crazy but it’s incorrect to say they died. Sadly the Bcash and BSV community are very much alive.


Edit: I know this is not really supposed to be brought up, but it goes hand in hand (hope mods understand) but I'm curious about all this as for say monero and ethereum as well.
There is nothing wrong with this subject or with bringing it up. You just have to learn to use more accurate terminology.

To answer your question, there is nothing stopping anybody from creating a copy of Bitcoin protocol or Bitcoin blockchain and creating a new altcoin like BCH, BCH-SV, BSV, BTCX, BTD,.... like 2017. The only thing stopping them is the fact that creating such useless copies can only work for a little while at the beginning (ie. 2017) but people slowly learn about their uselessness and most importantly learn how to dump their "airdropped coins" which means the price of these shitcoins drops a lot quicker now compared to the beginning where majority of users were confused about how they should sell them.

Actually I think it’s yourself who’s confused. I know the terminology. I’ve been around for a mn. A fork is split off of a coin, of course the reasoning and how it’s handled is broken down by what type of fork (soft / hard).  The blockchain records the split, so it’s not just a copy of the code. Anyone can copy most coins code. If this is what a fork was, there’d be no reason for the terminology to exist, it wouldn’t be a facilitated split registered on the blockchain. Copying code is simply creating an altcoin. It has no tie to any coins blockchain or ever has (sure it’s connected in how it’s just taken/stolen code..but there’s no facilitation taking place within btc for it to be created, so a different story). Bitcoin Cash, the first fork, did more than just copy bitcoins code, they changed it (block size). There’s a reason you get to keep the forks, and store or sell them…because it was split off from coins you owned. Its not an air drop.

Also I was saying I hope it’s okay to discuss as I was referring to alts forking being discussed, not Bitcoin.

Bitcoin itself doesn't fork, it's only correct to say that Bitcoin forked when there's a major split in the network and both are claiming to be Bitcoin. Instead you should say that people are creating altcoins by forking Bitcoin. I don't know if people still do it, probably yes, but it's irrelevant if those forks are not listed on exchanges, because you can't do anything with them. The hype around BTC forks died a long time ago, these days the hype is about Bitcoin NFTS and new altcoins.

I mean they are considered hard forks no? I guess I see what you mean, as to not confuse people.  I'm also curious if there's ever been a soft fork.

Edit: I know this is not really supposed to be brought up, but it goes hand in hand (hope mods understand) but I'm curious about all this as for say monero and ethereum as well.


I think you need to draw the distinction between forks, hard forks, and soft forks.

Forking creates an altcoin. That's when you just take the bitcoin code and change it how you want to create an altcoin. Lots of older altcoins were created this way, well before the BCH fork that started the trend of trying to pass off altcoins as Bitcoin and using the Bitcoin name to try to trick people.

And then upgrading the actual Bitcoin network would be either hard forks or soft forks. And these get voted on to pass them so they can be implemented.

A hard fork would not be backwards compatible, so basically it would be a clean break saying we don't care about the network not working for certain people or whatever anymore we just want to update the network without worrying about those sorts of consequences. This would create two separate blockchains, two separate protocols. Anyone still operating on the old bitcoin protocol after the hard fork would be completely separated from the updated protocol. Basically this could lead to a split in bitcoin itself.

A soft fork is a backwards compatible way to update the network protocol. And this is what has essentially been decided is the best way to upgrade Bitcoin so everything stays consistent, bitcoin stays immutable, everything keeps working, and network participants can upgrade at their leisure because everything still works no matter which version of the protocol you use. People running the old version just can't do whatever the new updated version does.

Appreciate the detailed response. I’m familiar with the types of forks. I just didn’t exactly break down the terminology or word it exactly correct. I also know the majority (if not all) were hard forks.  Edit : forgetting there have been, like SegWit.  Not sure if Taproot is also considered a soft fork but I would imagine it is. So I think there’s been two soft forks  Huh


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February 04, 2024, 05:02:29 AM
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It was free money for so many people. Many exchanges profited from that by withholding those forked coins of customers that couldn't withdraw on time to private wallets to enable them claim. That event was an eye opener for so may people. It's the same thing with those who send exchange addresses for staking certain tokens to claim airdrops. That's not a good idea. Use private wallets.

I didn't have Bitcoin on any exchanges or in my wallet. I remember something about a casino. They have listed BSC or maybe it was BSV (I don't remember correctly), but they have airdropped the same amount to the user account that was holding Bitcoin back then. I didn't understand why people were getting those money for free. I only understood that last year when I learned more about forks. I also checked if my blockchain.info wallet qualifies for any forks like BSC or BSV, but I noticed that I hadn't held any Bitcoin back then. I was doing only transactions with my Bitcoins. Do you know which exchanges didn't airdropped forked coins to their users who have Bitcoin Balance?

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February 04, 2024, 05:12:59 AM
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Besides Bitcoin Cash, the rest of the forks didn’t really catch on. Many were listed on small exchanges and the forked bitcoin chains basically died off one by one.

Later in 2018 was when Bitcoin SV was forked but it was a fork of Bitcoin Cash and since one is listed on some exchanges but due to some contrevosary it was delisted on some exchanges like Binance.

But yeah those Bitcoin Pizza and Bitcoin Diamond or Bitcoin Plus all pretty much died off.
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