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March 20, 2024, 04:50:56 AM
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What are you even comparing? Do you know that we have similar concept in Bitcoin as well? You can deposit Bitcoin into an online wallet and purchase a card from the wallet company. Then you can simply use that card to do all your daily transactions. The merchants get paid in Fiat and you spend in crypto.
i don't trust 3rd party companies to hold any of my crypto i guess. that would be my main objection to the solution you are mentioning above. they could just steal the bitcoin, or more likely go out of business and i lose all my money. or they could get hacked electronically. you can't hack gold electronically and its protected in a vault with armed guards. bitcoin is not.
 
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I think we would still need bitcoin because in this case there is a company called glint and you trust them, with bitcoin you trust no one. With a company (glint) you are going to be at their mercy, if they do back it up that's great, if they don't back it up then it's a problem
i don't trust 3rd party companies to hold funds. Whether they hold bitcoin or gold. I've never heard of glint but they are not a government depository right? A government depository is different. I could trust something like that as far as storing gold there and using it with a debit card. But not a third party company that was not insured by the government. that's just how i see things.

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Other projects offering "digital forms of real gold" are not started by the government, and their "secure warehouse" can be raided at any time. Having "Reno County State Rep. Michael Murphy backing a bill" in Kansas is much different and this will be a victory if it somehow passes.
this guy gets it! you deserve a merit good sir!

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.. i hope that translation explains why people still need bitcoin
i think i would rather the government holding my gold than me trying to store it at home. but i understand what you're saying. but in my view, having a trustworthy custodian who is there to manage my gold and let me spend it without any hassle and keeping my gold safe and i would like the option to be able to cash out my gold if i wanted they should be able to send me gold bars that i owned at any time. what more could you ask for? but i don't know if they would do physical delivery. maybe they could get an agreement with the us postal service to do that.  Grin

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March 20, 2024, 05:34:41 AM
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What are you even comparing? Do you know that we have similar concept in Bitcoin as well? You can deposit Bitcoin into an online wallet and purchase a card from the wallet company. Then you can simply use that card to do all your daily transactions. The merchants get paid in Fiat and you spend in crypto.
i don't trust 3rd party companies to hold any of my crypto i guess. that would be my main objection to the solution you are mentioning above. they could just steal the bitcoin, or more likely go out of business and i lose all my money. or they could get hacked electronically. you can't hack gold electronically and its protected in a vault with armed guards. bitcoin is not.
 
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I think we would still need bitcoin because in this case there is a company called glint and you trust them, with bitcoin you trust no one. With a company (glint) you are going to be at their mercy, if they do back it up that's great, if they don't back it up then it's a problem
i don't trust 3rd party companies to hold funds. Whether they hold bitcoin or gold. I've never heard of glint but they are not a government depository right? A government depository is different. I could trust something like that as far as storing gold there and using it with a debit card. But not a third party company that was not insured by the government. that's just how i see things.

Quote from: Step_By_Step
Other projects offering "digital forms of real gold" are not started by the government, and their "secure warehouse" can be raided at any time. Having "Reno County State Rep. Michael Murphy backing a bill" in Kansas is much different and this will be a victory if it somehow passes.
this guy gets it! you deserve a merit good sir!

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.. i hope that translation explains why people still need bitcoin
i think i would rather the government holding my gold than me trying to store it at home. but i understand what you're saying. but in my view, having a trustworthy custodian who is there to manage my gold and let me spend it without any hassle and keeping my gold safe and i would like the option to be able to cash out my gold if i wanted they should be able to send me gold bars that i owned at any time. what more could you ask for? but i don't know if they would do physical delivery. maybe they could get an agreement with the us postal service to do that.  Grin


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March 20, 2024, 11:07:49 AM
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You can't take a gold coin or a silver coin in to buy groceries or gas or whatever like that. The idea behind this is, there's new technology that has come around in the last five years that allows us to have a depository."


Murphy currently uses one overseas, but he'd like to see one in Kansas.

"This is actually working and I actually use it," Murphy said. "There's a depository in Switzerland and there's a company named Glint, that you can get a debit card from them and you buy gold and it goes into the depository. You don't have to buy like an ounce. You don't have to buy any specific amount of gold, you buy it by how much money you want to put in. You can buy as little as one cent worth of gold. If you want to buy five dollars, $20, $100, $ 1 million, whatever, you can do that. That sits in the depository. This is not paper, it's actual gold. Then, when you need to go buy gas, groceries, pay rent, whatever like that, you can use that debit card and it will deduct whatever amount that is."


https://hutchpost.com/posts/46ff49c7-1dd3-4a9b-b59c-d8d0cdb3be3b

If they get this instituted nationwide, you wouldnt need bitcoin. Not really...

Do you get the whole point of Bitcoin?
In your example, the investors are buying a "promise" that this company will buy actual gold with their money and store it in a safe place.
You are still putting all your money and your trust in a centralized entity and you will have to pray every day that this company won't scam you and run away with your money(or gold). It doesn't matter if it's actual gold being stored somewhere or some other financial asset. The investors don't have control over that gold, which means that the gold isn't their possession. A similar example would be putting all your BTC in a centralized exchange and hoping that the centralized exchange won't scam you and run away with your BTC.

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March 20, 2024, 11:39:23 AM
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Gold is a very precious metal so usually gold cannot be purchased with minimum amount of money. To buy gold we have to spend at least 50 dollars to 100 dollars so how is it possible that a person can buy gold with a dollar or less. Gold means we understand it is very valuable, but we cannot buy gold if we don't have enough money. Most people buy gold to fulfill their hobby. There are very few people who buy gold and try to earn profit rather they buy gold and see that money as savings and also use the gold. If gold can be bought for a dollar or less and this policy is implemented worldwide, many low-income people may be able to fulfill their desire to buy gold.

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March 25, 2024, 04:46:55 AM
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Indeed, it is an object that we can make as decoration, or as a bar, which has a very valuable value, indeed has a value whose price continues to rise over time, it can indeed be an investment for our future, if we have a lot of money saved, it is better to buy as much gold as possible, It's true that gold can't buy things, but indeed we can sell them at a high value anywhere and anytime, as long as we have gold, the price of gold will rise if the price of the dollar also rises, if we save a lot it won't make us lose money, where we need our money Just sell the gold directly to the shop, bitcoin doesn't have a form, it's just a number, but the value of that number is also high when the price of a coin rises high, and the dollar also rises, the price of bitcoin also rises, these two things we can make an investment for our future, be sure to save from now to change our lives.

two points to make:

selling your gold at the gold dealer or pawn shop you always take a hit. they never pay spot price, they always discount you. same for when you buy,they always add a "premium" on top of the spot price. these things cause you to lose money. hopefully a government run depository would have a much tighter "spread" than these scam mom and pop gold dealers who rip people off. i call them mom and pop dealers but really everyone. you can never get spot price. ever.

having a tighter spread means you can actually cash out small amounts of gold with a debit card to buy things without getting ripped off. unlike with the dealer who will only buy an ounce at a time. and pay you less than what its really worth by ALOT.
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March 25, 2024, 04:54:11 AM
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Do you get the whole point of Bitcoin?
i know its' not exactly as decentralized as bitcoin but having a government run depository should mean my gold is INSURED against any type of losses.

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In your example, the investors are buying a "promise" that this company will buy actual gold with their money and store it in a safe place.
there is no company. the government would be running it. if it was a company, i wouldn't be so excited.

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You are still putting all your money and your trust in a centralized entity and you will have to pray every day that this company won't scam you and run away with your money(or gold). It doesn't matter if it's actual gold being stored somewhere or some other financial asset. The investors don't have control over that gold, which means that the gold isn't their possession. A similar example would be putting all your BTC in a centralized exchange and hoping that the centralized exchange won't scam you and run away with your BTC.
we're not talking about a company, we are talking about the us government. they would insure EVERYTHING. up to a certain amount. just like they do with bank and savings accounts. or you don't believe that guarantee is any good?

https://www.fdic.gov/resources/deposit-insurance/
The FDIC provides deposit insurance to protect your money in the event of a bank failure. Your deposits are automatically insured to at least $250,000 at each FDIC-insured bank.

if you don't then take your money out of all bank accounts immediately! and put them in bitcoin. Shocked
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