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March 18, 2024, 01:30:43 AM
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Despite Bitcoin's global popularity, the creator behind the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto remains shrouded in secrecy. Many have been captivated by this ongoing mystery. One individual, Australian computer scientist Craig Wright, has repeatedly claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto since 2016. However, these claims have lacked any substantial evidence. In a recent lawsuit brought by the Crypto Open Patent Alliance (COPA) against Wright, a judge ultimately ruled that Wright failed to present any credible proof to support his assertions [1].

The court ruling aimed to resolve the controversy between the Bitcoin community and Craig Wright. Following the ruling, the price of Bitcoin Satoshi Vision (BSV) fell by 17% [2]. Some argue this drop reflects a belief that Satoshi Nakamoto, the creator of Bitcoin, envisioned a greater future for the Bitcoin than what the Bitcoin whitepaper outlines. This view is supported by recently revealed emails between Satoshi and Sirius [3]. BSV is a token built on a foundation of false promises.

There's another point to consider. Craig Wright's claims of being Satoshi Nakamoto have been around for a few years now. Has this impacted Bitcoin's value? No. And what if the court rules in Wright's favor? Will it affect how we hold, use, or trade Bitcoin? The answer remains the same: No.

As a huge Bitcoin enthusiast and admirer of Satoshi Nakamoto, I firmly believe Satoshi deserves anonymity. It's clear Satoshi intended this to safeguard Bitcoin's decentralized nature. Craig Wright's constant efforts to prove his identity go against this core principle. True potential Satoshi candidates like Dorian Nakamoto, Hal Finney, and Nick Szabo have consistently denied the claims, while those seeking notoriety resort to such impersonations.

Bitcoin's value isn't tied to its creator, but rather to its robust features: a massive, decentralized network (over 50,000 nodes strong!), a highly secure proof-of-work protocol, freedom from financial institutions, and broad popularity among internet users. As long as these advantages persist, Bitcoin will remain valuable.

Think about it -  we use Google without knowing its founders, smartphones without knowing their inventors, and electricity without remembering its pioneer. These technologies thrived because they addressed real needs, not because of a single person. Bitcoin is no different. My belief in BTC's value as a store of wealth stems from its potential, not the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto.

Satoshi's anonymity could be interpreted as an empowering act. It places the focus on us, the users, rather than a single individual. This suggests that Satoshi might view the Bitcoin community, the people who use and promote it, as the true driving force behind the Bitcoin, even more important than the creator.

I'd like to hear your views on this issue:
  • Will the outcome of the lawsuit involving Faketoshi Craig Wright affect the value of BTC?
  • Does Satoshi's true identity matter to your BTC investment?
  • When will the community stop searching for Satoshi's identity?

References:
[1] UK court rules Craig Wright not Nakamoto, ending long-standing drama
[2] Satoshi’s Vision down 17% against Bitcoin after Craig Wright verdict
[3] Satoshi - Sirius emails 2009-2011

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March 18, 2024, 03:39:50 AM
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I saw the title and I thought it was going to be the typical stupid thread that we usually see in this section, but it is not bad. I would qualify that today we are the important ones, and not Satoshi, but from the historical point of view we owe the Bitcoin to him and in that sense he is the most important, not only for having created and launched the Bitcoin for all mankind, but for getting out of the way.

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March 18, 2024, 03:58:07 AM
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Without us, the Bitcoin that Satoshi created wouldn't have reached success. But without Satoshi, there wouldn't have been a Bitcoin that we are
all supporting right now. So in this sense I think we are all equally important Satoshi and us.

I think it's just a play of perspectives, but in general we can't really say we are more important than Satoshi. In the same sense that we can't also say that Satoshi is more important than us. As far as Bitcoin is concerned Satoshi and Bitcoin's supporters are all equally important.
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March 18, 2024, 04:18:32 AM
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Is  it really need to distinguish or compare people from satoshi nakamoto?


Satoshi only created Bitcoin to help the world against the government about Financial freedom so this sounds not good to make this an issue.

Satoshi is More Important because without His Creation there will never be Bitcoin that we are treasuring now.

We are important because without us? bitcoin will never reach this top so in all? both are important the Users and the creator.









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March 18, 2024, 04:36:14 AM
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  • Will the outcome of the lawsuit involving Faketoshi Craig Wright affect the value of BTC?
  • Does Satoshi's true identity matter to your BTC investment?
  • When will the community stop searching for Satoshi's identity?
1. If there is manipulation, yes, some will use this issue. If all nature, then no.
2. For me now, Satoshi Nakamoto created Bitcoin to not be controlled by anyone not even the government.
3. For me it will never stop, because it is by nature to study the core of every thing especially Bitcoin, it is already in history and will always be learned by someone. Because if you want to invest in some thing, then for sure you need first to identify the history of it.

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I'd like to hear your views on this issue:
  • Will the outcome of the lawsuit involving Faketoshi Craig Wright affect the value of BTC?
  • Does Satoshi's true identity matter to your BTC investment?
  • When will the community stop searching for Satoshi's identity?

References:
[1] UK court rules Craig Wright not Nakamoto, ending long-standing drama
[2] Satoshi’s Vision down 17% against Bitcoin after Craig Wright verdict
[3] Satoshi - Sirius emails 2009-2011

1. I think no, we've seen the evidence to date. Moreover, look today, many crypto users have understood what they think is true and Craig Wright is just seizing the moment for his benefit.
2. Never. The Bitcoin community is becoming more important than fraudsters.
3. Maybe if Satoshi showed up, with strong and true evidence. But I don't think Satoshi will ever appear at any time. But as far as I know Bitcoin, I am not curious about who it is and where. I have been very grateful for the technology, let him remain Anonymous.

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March 18, 2024, 08:26:34 AM
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We know Craig have always being putting up a show, and many of us already know that he was going to lose the court case even though he put up all manner of show and tried to manipulate the Justment in so many ways but at the end he lost the case, Satoshi was trying to avoid such controversy of over control of the project that is why he chose to remain anonymous to protect the secrecy and freedom of Bitcoin in the long run.
Anyways Craig should have been slammed a big fine to pay for trying to mislead the public by claiming to be Satoshi whereas he is far from being Bitcoin Creator and even going as far as appearing in Court, I think also that Satoshi knows better that there is going to be a lot of crisis of identity where many bad actors we attempt to take the project from him and at the end killing the project because of their gred and love for control will undermine Bitcoin, but at this point, Bitcoin is free from all form of attempt manipulation now that Craig case hoce been completely strick out of the court.

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I'd like to hear your views on this issue:
  • Will the outcome of the lawsuit involving Faketoshi Craig Wright affect the value of BTC?
  • Does Satoshi's true identity matter to your BTC investment?
  • When will the community stop searching for Satoshi's identity?
1. I think not, because this lawsuit (and the outcome of it) was an insignificant factor influencing the current price of bitcoin.
2. It doesn't matter at all. I would say that I feel the opposite effect - while Satoshi is not there and nothing is known about him, I believe in the future (decentralization and freedom) of the project.
3. Never. It's like a riddle that you want to solve and doesn't give you peace.

Satoshi fulfilled his role and retired. Now each of the bitcoin users is a key figure (not individually, as a peer, but as part of a set of peers and a link in the chain of decentralization). If Satoshi is left in the past, then the future is in us (BTC-users).
 

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Heres what I think. The outcome of Craig Wright's lawsuit might cause a stir in the short run, possibly shaking up Bitcoin's value a bit. But in the grand scheme, Bitcoin's worth is more about its tech and how many folks are using it, not who created it. While knowing Satoshi's true identity is intriguing, it won't change much for my BTC investments. As for when the community will stop the hunt for Satoshi? Hard to say, but as Bitcoin's practical use grows, the fascination might taper off over time

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    • Does Satoshi's true identity matter to your BTC investment?
    • When will the community stop searching for Satoshi's identity?

    Personally, it doesn’t matter to me. No matter how fascinating it might be, I don’t need to know satoshi’s real identity in order to appreciate the value of bitcoin. For some, however, they might feel as though they could trust bitcoin more when there is someone they can point their fingers to. If something goes the wrong turn, they can blame satoshi. Maybe having a real person behind all of it makes them feel that bitcoin is indeed real.

    I don’t think there will be a time where the community doesn’t keep looking for satoshi. He has created something so great and helpful that his identity will remain an amusement to others.

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    I'd add we're important than Satoshi because the future of Bitcoin are in our hands.

    If we, as a Bitcoin holder let our coins moved to centralized exchanges, ETFs or any centralized entity, Bitcoin will be less decentralized since most of the coins are recorded with KYC. Imagine if 99% Bitcoins are linked to centralization, the government will know which person send the coins to which person and so on.

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    March 18, 2024, 07:40:20 PM
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    • Will the outcome of the lawsuit involving Faketoshi Craig Wright affect the value of BTC?
    • Does Satoshi's true identity matter to your BTC investment?
    • When will the community stop searching for Satoshi's identity?
    1. How possible is it? Who knows Faketoshi to be the brain behind bitcoin? Since his name doesn't ring a bell in people's ears when bitcoin is called, neither he win nor lose the lawsuit against him, it won't in any way affect the price of bitcoin since he lacks credible proof of signing a message with Satoshi bitcoin address.
    2. It doesn't since we can trade our Bitcoin anonymously without knowing anyone's true identity. Everyone is accumulating bitcoin the way they can and not focusing on other people's identity because that doesn't matter in the pursuit of financial freedom.
    3. Any community or group of people searching for Satoshi is just wasting their time and resources to do that. Satoshi is an anonymous being, anonymous will he continue to be.

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    I agree with you in a way. It's really not that important who Satoshi was and I hope we'll never find out, mainly for his sake. I wouldn't want to see the man interrogated by CIA or extorted...
    Even worse, they could make a pedophile or a rapist out of him, which is getting very common in the recent years with the me too movement and all that shit.
    IMO bitcoin is doing much better with an anonymous founder that it would do with a well known one.


    We are important because without us? bitcoin will never reach this top so in all?

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    The aim and objective of Bitcoin, it's not to supersede order currencies but what is meant for is to help for buying and the selling goods and services and the people that is making use of it right away, is us not a satoshi nakamoto and his objective to create a bitcoin technology is for make something to be easier for us in terms of a change of goods and services across intercontinental countries, is satoshi did not introduce bitcoin because she want to benefit from it but it is a worldwide profit

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    And what if the court rules in Wright's favor? Will it affect how we hold, use, or trade Bitcoin? The answer remains the same: No.

    It would not affect the Bitcoin network, but it would be noticeably damaging.  Suing the Bitcoin Core developers and censoring places like bitcoin.org, or even taking control of it would give value to his shitcoin by manipulating newbies.  The experienced of us know that he is one big scam, but if the court said that he is satoshi then things could go seriously bad.

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    March 18, 2024, 11:23:51 PM
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    1. IDK
    2. No, it doesn’t. And I don’t think it should matter because Bitcoin isn’t about the creator but the creation. We don’t know if Satoshi is dead or alive but Bitcoin still lives on despite their whereabouts. But this doesn’t mean that his reappearance will not impact Bitcoin. If he comes back to claim it, it could cause price increase. But imagine he comes back in a negative way or the government taints his image, the market will likely move along.
    3. Never. People won’t stop looking to know who they are/were. But maybe that’s the storyline and we should just accept it.



     

     

     

     

     

     


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    Bitcoin's value isn't tied to its creator, but rather to its robust features: a massive, decentralized network (over 50,000 nodes strong!), a highly secure proof-of-work protocol, freedom from financial institutions, and broad popularity among internet users. As long as these advantages persist, Bitcoin will remain valuable.


    This is true as long as status quo remains - Satoshi is inactive and his coins are considered as lost. If that would change then suddenly Bitcoin's price would be very dependent on the Satoshi factor. It doesn't even matter if it fundamentally changes nothing, because the price is driven by speculators who look for the slightest reason to make a move.

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    Without us, the Bitcoin that Satoshi created wouldn't have reached success. But without Satoshi, there wouldn't have been a Bitcoin that we are
    all supporting right now. So in this sense I think we are all equally important Satoshi and us.

    I think it's just a play of perspectives, but in general we can't really say we are more important than Satoshi. In the same sense that we can't also say that Satoshi is more important than us. As far as Bitcoin is concerned Satoshi and Bitcoin's supporters are all equally important.

    Interesting,it all a matter of collective efforts from both parties like you've clearly mentioned it here.We both have roles to play,and so far,we've literally deposited so much support,attention and interest for bitcoin.

    In one way or the other,we're seemingly meeting up to the standards and level of importance that satoshi has worked for all these years and I don't think anyone would want to disembark from attaining or achieving more from bitcoin.On behalf of bitcoin,let's all increase the support and forge ahead for more successes with bitcoin.

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    Removing sentimentality and historical importance from the equation, network effects dictate that the more users a network has, the more useful it becomes.  Inactive users are no longer providing any utility.  So in a way, yes.  Today's users are the ones contributing to the overall utility of the network and are therefore more important to Bitcoin's longevity.  Whoever satoshi was, or wasn't, is largely inconsequential.  Bitcoin belongs to the people now (as I suspect was always the intention).

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    Satoshi's anonymity could be interpreted as an empowering act. It places the focus on us, the users, rather than a single individual. This suggests that Satoshi might view the Bitcoin community, the people who use and promote it, as the true driving force behind the Bitcoin, even more important than the creator.
    It actually places the focus in Bitcoin itself, and not on individuals involved in the process, being them the creator or the adopters, although every elements on this equation are equally important for Bitcoin's success. There isn't someone more important than another. Bitcoin wouldn't exist without its creator, and adoption wouldn't exist without Bitcoin. We are all interconnected. The point is that Satoshi helps its creation thriving by remaining anonymous.

    I'd like to hear your views on this issue:
    • Will the outcome of the lawsuit involving Faketoshi Craig Wright affect the value of BTC?
    Maybe some short term speculation is possible, but nothing significant on long run.

    • Does Satoshi's true identity matter to your BTC investment?
    Yes, the real identity of Satoshi would have a heavy impact over Bitcoin's price, therefore affecting my personal investments. So, it does matter for me.

    • When will the community stop searching for Satoshi's identity?
    There will be always people seeking for Satoshi's real identity. Misteries and charades have always fascinated human beings, so that is a subject that never stops being hyped. Even though it's dangerous for crypto adopters to find out who Satoshi really is, due to affecting the value of their personal investments, it seems they are still up to take the risks of doing so, just for a matter of curiosity.

    It's like the Biblical story of Lot's wife who couldn't resist looking back the destruction Sodom's city, and was turned into a pillar of salt as consequence. People keep doing things which will prejudice them, even aware they shouldn't be doing that...

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