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March 29, 2024, 02:01:52 PM
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With concerns now, will the Kucoin exchange collapse?
Big exchanges usually have a very strong legal team that are prepared for issues like this, so it will take a very big case to really crash an exchange. As someone using an exchange, there is always an uncertainty, it is due to this uncertainty still that we advise to never keep an amount of money you cannot afford to loose on any exchange.

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March 29, 2024, 02:25:55 PM
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With concerns now, will the Kucoin exchange collapse?
Big exchanges usually have a very strong legal team that are prepared for issues like this, so it will take a very big case to really crash an exchange. As someone using an exchange, there is always an uncertainty, it is due to this uncertainty still that we advise to never keep an amount of money you cannot afford to loose on any exchange.

This is the test for kucoin to see how reliable they are and if they can surpass this legal challenges happen to them recently then maybe we can say that they are good exchange.  But since for now they are facing serious issues then I guess its better to stop using them for a while so that no problem will occur on our side and can make sure that we are safe away from those possible issues that might happen after these problems happen to their platform.

Before we see binance got issue and now kucoin which leaves an impression to me that government is somehow creating issues that can possible make them collapsed since they want this to happen and replaced it with other platform that they can control.

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March 29, 2024, 02:31:10 PM
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None of these exchange developers can evade legal consequences for money laundering. However, when they're pursued by the law, it often seems they're primarily after their cut of the profits, leading to settlements behind closed doors. Kucoin isn't a newcomer in the exchange scene, and I have confidence in their ability to manage such situations effectively

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March 29, 2024, 02:47:22 PM
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The latest news from the Kucoin exchange is that founders Chun Gan and Ke Tang have been accused by the US Attorney's Office of violating anti-money laundering and bank secrecy laws.

That thing got me thinking for a second but it's about being charged under the Bank Secrecy Act.
I was surprised for a moment, did they not just ignore KYC but somehow also magically sold customer data they didn't have in the first place?

But yeah, who didn't see this coming, everyone was restricting no KYC accounts or imposing them but Kucoin was bragging about their high limits with no id check, the only surprise is that it took them so long.

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U.S. Attorney Damien Williams said in a statement that KuCoin actively tried to hide that "substantial numbers of U.S. users were trading" on its platform.
"Indeed, KuCoin allegedly took advantage of its sizeable U.S. customer base to become one of the world’s largest cryptocurrency derivatives and spot exchanges, with billions of dollars of daily trades and trillions of dollars of annual trade volume," he said.

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March 29, 2024, 06:34:04 PM
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News says that a billion dollars were withdrawn within 24 hours from the platform, and usage declined by 20%. The platform explained that the delay in withdrawals was due to the large number of withdrawal requests, and that operations are continuing and have not stopped. It can be said that Kucoin succeeded in overcoming the effects of the news of the accusations against her, hoping that she would not face harsh penalties or that more evidence implicating her would be revealed. Fortunately for Kucoin, this news coincided with a new ATH rise period for Bitcoin, so there was no noticeable impact on the entire market, and events gradually calmed down.

In all the news articles, it is mentioned that the charges against the platform’s administrators may lead to long prison sentences, but nothing is mentioned about the possibility of a scenario similar to what happened with Binance, that is, the possibility of imposing alternative penalties such as financial fines and imposing specific activity policies for the platform, including censorship and, of course, confirmation. Preventing the platform from reaching American users.

According to what I understood from the Airdrop news, the distribution will be for those whose withdrawals were delayed during the three-day date.
In response to a comment on Twitter, Johnny_KuCoin confirmed that the rewards will include all those who remain loyal to the platform.
I found in one of the articles that airdrop may not happen without problems:
However, airdrops are not problem-free, and one of these problems is the threat of regulatory consequences. The SEC, in its “Framework for ‘Investment Contract’ Analysis of Digital Assets,” stated: Just because digital assets are received for free, for example, being put into an “airdrop,” does not mean the investment of money requirement of the Howey test is not met; therefore, an airdrop can be considered a sale or distribution of securities.

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March 30, 2024, 09:52:46 PM
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It's not surprising to see so many people withdrawing their assets from the exchange because those news are very concerning actually. When exchanges fall down they rarely make warnings before, gently asking people to transfer their funds to another platform or to their wallets for their safety, they usually close their doors with all the assets remaining from their customers instead, unfortunately.

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March 31, 2024, 04:27:38 PM
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It's not surprising to see so many people withdrawing their assets from the exchange because those news are very concerning actually. When exchanges fall down they rarley make warnings before gently asking people to transfer their funds to another platform or to their wallets for their safety, they usually close their doors with all the assets remaining from their customers instead, unfortunately.
Exchanges will not tell their customers when they are about to crash exchanges will definitely try to defend with the tweets they make on platform X. Like a few days ago when there was a withdrawal delay of more than two hours Kucoin said it was no problem, but what happened Kucoin compensated the affected withdrawals.

Exchanges will definitely defend what they can not to be seen to fall, exchanges will make opinions to keep their customers.
It is not recommended to stay on the exchange for long, it will definitely refer to it.

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March 31, 2024, 04:45:32 PM
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So if you are right there is a real risk of bank run, because if currently all customers assets are not available because of loans or investments, there could be a crash. People would sell all their funds against cryptos in order to be able to quickly withdraw them or they would sell against fiat money. And since Kucoin is a big exchange with a big volume it could affect all the market, in almost the same way as what happened with FTX.

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April 01, 2024, 09:06:09 PM
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Compensation for Withdrawal Congestion and Gratitude for Loyalty Users

Initially, the bulk of the amount, worth $8.95 million, will be distributed to users whose withdrawals were disrupted during the period extending between March 26, 22:00 PM and March 28, 00:00 AM. The amount allocated to each user will range from $5 to $200, depending on how long the withdrawal is delayed, which can be considered very generous.

It was also announced in the same article that AirDrop will also include users who had assets on their accounts in the same period from March 26 to 28 and had not withdrawn them. The details of this second part of the Airdrop will be announced a week after the article is published, that is, five days after today’s date.

Kucoin statedd in the same article that Airdrop distribution is subject to legal arrangements, and therefore each user has his own situation according to the laws in his country:
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This airdrop may be subject to the regulatory policies of the region where you are located, and may not be distributed.

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April 02, 2024, 12:12:45 PM
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The only exchange I use that is not KYC is still MEXC.
Wait, what?  I could have sworn MEXC went KYC a while ago--are you sure about that statement?

Big exchanges usually have a very strong legal team that are prepared for issues like this, so it will take a very big case to really crash an exchange.
That's an assumption atop an assumption--first, that Kucoin would be considered a "big" exchange and second, that they actually do have some kind of competent legal team that can....defend against money laundering charges.  Yeah, good luck with that!  Even if they could put up a solid defense, they'd be fighting the US government and I'm guessing the cost of that defense would be enough to put them out of business anyway.

Man oh man, how things go from A-OK to disaster within days.  I'll be keeping an eye on this situation, although I'm 80% sure how it's going to turn out.

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April 02, 2024, 03:08:59 PM
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Wait, what?  I could have sworn MEXC went KYC a while ago--are you sure about that statement?
Sure... Because I made a withdrawal without having to go through the KYC process, so until now MEXC exchange is not KYC required.

That's an assumption atop an assumption--first, that Kucoin would be considered a "big" exchange and second, that they actually do have some kind of competent legal team that can....defend against money laundering charges.  Yeah, good luck with that!  Even if they could put up a solid defense, they'd be fighting the US government and I'm guessing the cost of that defense would be enough to put them out of business anyway.
Kucoin poured $10 million for airdrop for yesterday's case, probably to hire lawyers more than that because it is competent and sturdy while Kucoin's market evaluation is now $3,221b according to DefiLlma sources.

Yes... they may survive to hire a solid lawyer to defend the founder. Grin

Man oh man, how things go from A-OK to disaster within days.  I'll be keeping an eye on this situation, although I'm 80% sure how it's going to turn out.
I feel that things are fine now as there are no more complaints in sight, but the court proceedings will continue. My assumption is that Kucoin may still survive.

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April 03, 2024, 02:49:43 AM
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In all fairness, there are reasons for KuCoin to be indicted. There were indeed legal lapses committed by KuCoin. They will have to face that. Whether this is harassment, whether this is simply an anti-crypto move, the point is that KuCoin knowingly and, therefore, willingly committed errors along the way.

I believe government agencies are selective in filing cases. They're not doing their jobs with integrity. Hell, they could even be used by rich and powerful companies like BlackRock to weed out competition. But what can we do? KuCoin failed to register with FinCEN. It failed to register with CFTC. It failed to comply with AML policies. This goes on. They will have to answer for all these failures.

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April 03, 2024, 09:32:18 PM
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Every exchange handles their issues differently but it looks like kucoin will easily get away with this. But if we're going to analyze these issues being thrown to exchanges, it's likely that most of them have their dark secrets.

I believe government agencies are selective in filing cases. They're not doing their jobs with integrity. Hell, they could even be used by rich and powerful companies like BlackRock to weed out competition. But what can we do? KuCoin failed to register with FinCEN. It failed to register with CFTC. It failed to comply with AML policies. This goes on. They will have to answer for all these failures.
I agree and if we're going to take a look at the timing they're doing it, it's been done before the bull run or when the market has already been up. So, that little thing that we can connect through it could really be in favor of these agencies that are pushing the sues to exchanges like kucoin and they might not be the last one.

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April 06, 2024, 06:57:37 PM
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Every exchange handles their issues differently but it looks like kucoin will easily get away with this. But if we're going to analyze these issues being thrown to exchanges, it's likely that most of them have their dark secrets.


Kucoin is a good choice and an ideal alternative to small platforms because it has reached a size that can be trusted to a certain extent, and I think it has proven its integrity in the way it deals with the crisis. But let us not forget that the charges against the platform are serious and cannot be explained solely in relation with the restrictions imposed by the United States on crypto companies since the fall of FTX. The fact that Kucoin can get out of it with reduced penalties does not eliminate the charge, and this in itself cannot be counted in favor of the platform’s reputation. This means that a platform that has been accused of complicity in money laundering operations cannot be completely trusted, even if it is honest with its users, because there is a possibility that its assets will be confiscated or that a heavy penalty will be imposed on it, leading to problems or a defect in management.

It is best for Kucoin or Binance to comply with the laws so as not to expose themselves and their users to many risks, and let us not forget that the platforms can push towards destroying their competitors, as happened with FTX and Binance, which put a nail in the coffin of FTX by selling FTX assets below their value and thereby helped in the collapse of their price.

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April 06, 2024, 09:55:58 PM
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This is actually an indication of not using centralised exchanges. Because that's how exchanges anytime would collapse. They have to deal with different kinds of funds, so accusing an exchange for money laundering is pretty easy. However, though Kucoin said funds are safe and do not impact exchanges, there is still risk. I have actually withdrawn all the funds from Kucoin. I'm not going to use any big funds on Kucoin anymore until they fix everything normal. 

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This is actually an indication of not using centralised exchanges. Because that's how exchanges anytime would collapse. They have to deal with different kinds of funds, so accusing an exchange for money laundering is pretty easy. However, though Kucoin said funds are safe and do not impact exchanges, there is still risk. I have actually withdrawn all the funds from Kucoin. I'm not going to use any big funds on Kucoin anymore until they fix everything normal.

I very much agree! Use DeFi if you want to trade or swap cryptocoins and tokens.

On the question if Kucoin will collapse or not, I speculate that it might occur very much similar to Binance where they are forced by regulators in each jurisdiction to cooperate. Also if their founders will become targets of the American government, they might also be forced to pay a large settlement fee hehehe. However, this is not like a similar case to CZ and Binance. CZ has only become a target because he was the trigger on FTX's collapse. Kucoin might pay only a small fee heheheeh.

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April 07, 2024, 09:26:26 PM
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I very much agree! Use DeFi if you want to trade or swap cryptocoins and tokens.

On the question if Kucoin will collapse or not, I speculate that it might occur very much similar to Binance where they are forced by regulators in each jurisdiction to cooperate. Also if their founders will become targets of the American government, they might also be forced to pay a large settlement fee hehehe. However, this is not like a similar case to CZ and Binance. CZ has only become a target because he was the trigger on FTX's collapse. Kucoin might pay only a small fee heheheeh.
Now that DeFi is more widespread, maybe it is highly recommended.

It is the same speculation that the case of Kucoin is almost similar to Binance but the pressure of Kucoin will not be so big because the owner only violates what has been stated by the US government.
Until now I have not seen how much the fine will be imposed on the founder of Kucoin maybe this is still a stage process where the US government will announce it soon.

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I very much agree! Use DeFi if you want to trade or swap cryptocoins and tokens.

On the question if Kucoin will collapse or not, I speculate that it might occur very much similar to Binance where they are forced by regulators in each jurisdiction to cooperate. Also if their founders will become targets of the American government, they might also be forced to pay a large settlement fee hehehe. However, this is not like a similar case to CZ and Binance. CZ has only become a target because he was the trigger on FTX's collapse. Kucoin might pay only a small fee heheheeh.
Now that DeFi is more widespread, maybe it is highly recommended.

It is the same speculation that the case of Kucoin is almost similar to Binance but the pressure of Kucoin will not be so big because the owner only violates what has been stated by the US government.
Until now I have not seen how much the fine will be imposed on the founder of Kucoin maybe this is still a stage process where the US government will announce it soon.

This is only in the beginning stages of the case heheeh. We are presently witnessing what was being argued last year in the forum. This argument was if the American government can force CZ to retire as CEO of Binance and can also force him to pay billions in settlement, it might also do it against any exchange that are offering their services in America. Political connections will be important to have for these exchanges.

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