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April 01, 2024, 12:07:17 PM
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Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.


All of the casino that has a license usually have a license logo on their website which oftentimes position on the bottom part of the casino. It should be clickable and you will direct to the license validation website that match the casino license description.

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Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Doesn’t matter to me because I only play on the casino that I trusted for a long time but of course casino shouldn’t asked KYC if they are not regulated.

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Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

This is proven effective compared to the initial crypto casino industry which a lot of casino turn to scam. Nowadays, only legit businesses is entering crypto casino industry that reduces the scam casino but having a scam a casino will not gonna be avoided 100% because there’s always a scammer in every aspect of business especially online.

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April 01, 2024, 12:20:55 PM
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For an old existing that has been in operation for years and have earned a wide range of reputation I fear if gamblers with bother going to the extent of inquiring to verify if they have a proof operational license or not. In the gambling industry trust is everything which is why new casino's despite having a proving license gamblers are still skeptical to make use of them because that trust is what they haven't earned going by their time in the industry.

Although plenty gamblers choose to make use of a license casino as they feel secured using them believing it will be hard to make a scam exit or exhibit certain scam behaviors and actions  by licensed casino. And yes, licensing casinos can largely reduce many of the scams we experiencing with online casino.

I had a similar discussion sometime back and there were fascinating replies to the question, maybe some persons would want to read some of those replies too https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5479472.msg63397945#msg63397945

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April 01, 2024, 12:30:26 PM
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What proof do we still need?

If they state they are regulated and they have a license from "'''''',,, then it's us to verify if that is true, because if we are not convince, then there's no reason to play in a particular casino, that's very simple, right?

Casinos are running a business based on reputation, if they have a good reputation, gamblers will choose them because gamblers would feel their money are safe and anytime they can withdraw their winnings without a problem. personally, I don't investigate mucn, as long as the casino is popular, and when checked they claim they have a license, I always make it a go to play.

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April 01, 2024, 12:33:03 PM
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Honestly, I never checked the license of one online casino.
I always rely on the players, not the government who provided the license. Why? Because it can still be manipulated and it all can be a fake or they will still scam anyone even with their license.
But those who gained a reputation through different players who tested their gambling sites are different.
If you are a popular one, will you still do something stupid and wreck your business? I highly doubt that. Because first of all, it was not easy to gain that position. It takes time before you can scatter the gospel.
Second, while you are making a lot of money and connection will you still do something stupid like scamming a player just to make a profit? I doubt that too. They can make profits out of the house edge and more players means more losers and more profits for them. I don't think it is small if you gain popularity so they don't need to do scams just for a one-time gain and then lose most of their customers in the process.

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April 01, 2024, 12:37:06 PM
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My question to all of you is ...

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

I have not verified if the casino I use is verified because these licences make little or no difference. They would not stop the casino from maltreating gamblers since I have never seen any case where these regulators intervene when gamblers complain of rights violations. I see most of these licences as a means to get money from casinos and nothing more. Licences are mere promotional tools to make gamblers think that these casinos are reputable.

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Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

It doesn't bother me since I don't see the usefulness of these licenses. I just ensure that I don't leave much funds in my casino account and I gamble only with what I can afford to lose. I trust casinos that have a reputation in Bit Bitcointalk than other that have license.

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Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

To the best of my knowledge, casino licenses have not reduced scams because many of them lack the power to enforce regulatory provisions on these casinos. Secondly, casino license is easy to get if you can afford it. So a fraudulent casino will always get another licence from another country.

All of the casinos that has a license usually have a license logo on their website which oftentimes position on the bottom part of the casino. It should be clickable and you will direct to the license validation website that match the casino license description.

You are correct that most casinos have the logo of the licensor on their website but some casinos don't have such links therefore lying about their license. There was a recent issue on the forum where a casino claimed they had a license which was untrue.

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April 01, 2024, 12:41:25 PM
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Casinos are running a business based on reputation, if they have a good reputation, gamblers will choose them because gamblers would feel their money are safe and anytime they can withdraw their winnings without a problem. personally, I don't investigate mucn, as long as the casino is popular, and when checked they claim they have a license, I always make it a go to play.

I like this logic when talking about the casino reputation. Many people already forgetting that even a casino has a licensed, they can still turn into scam because they can always use their license to new casino by updating it to license provider.

On the other hand, Casino reputation that built based on trust for so many years is much reliable as basis on trusting a casino because it can’t be fake or achieved for a short period of time. That’s why casino with good reputation for a long time always protects their reputation because it’s very to build it for so many years. Additionally, they spend already a lot of money for marketing just to promote the brand.

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April 01, 2024, 12:50:26 PM
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I always prefer to be able to verify this information. Of course even if they are registered they can scam, get bankrupt and so on...
But I want verity this aspect of license since it is an aspect of transparency to clearly state certain information.
obviously I avoid playing on a site that actually doesn't really have a license (and they are claiming to...)

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April 01, 2024, 12:52:51 PM
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Casinos are running a business based on reputation, if they have a good reputation, gamblers will choose them because gamblers would feel their money are safe and anytime they can withdraw their winnings without a problem. personally, I don't investigate mucn, as long as the casino is popular, and when checked they claim they have a license, I always make it a go to play.

I like this logic when talking about the casino reputation. Many people already forgetting that even a casino has a licensed, they can still turn into scam because they can always use their license to new casino by updating it to license provider.

On the other hand, Casino reputation that built based on trust for so many years is much reliable as basis on trusting a casino because it can’t be fake or achieved for a short period of time. That’s why casino with good reputation for a long time always protects their reputation because it’s very to build it for so many years. Additionally, they spend already a lot of money for marketing just to promote the brand.
Like you rightly said, despite the fact that some of the casino companies are fully registered, it doesn't stop them from scamming their unsuspecting customers and that's why I'm strongly against any casino company that doesn't have a strong proof of their authenticity. For a casino company to be trusted, they must have established unwavering trust and good customer service fir a long period of time. So as a gambler, my advice is that before you start to engage in any gambling activity with any of the casinos, the best thing to do us to fact check their authenticity by seeing other people's review about such casino and also their years of existence. Genuine casino companies will always protect their integrity so that customers will always trust them and be free to engage in their services. Lack of authentic proof of a casino company is and should always be be big factor in determining which casino company to gamble with

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April 01, 2024, 12:54:29 PM
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If a casino claims to have a license it will display it on its homepage a license has a way to verify serial numbers you can check the license issuer if the serial numbers are valid, if not then the casino automatically lose its reputation for lying and showing false certificate, there are a lot of ways to verify a license I don't know where you get that idea that there is none.

Licenses are not proof that casinos will not scam their players, it is never a parameter that they are legit and will give them an immediate reputation, reputation is built based on feedback not certificates, it's a wrong impression that you can build a reputation based on vouch from companies.

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April 01, 2024, 12:58:17 PM
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Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.

My question to all of you is ...

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?
This is where that research and reading would really be relevant specially into this forum on which we know that there are people who are really that good when it comes on verifying things or someone whose really that good when it comes on searching up some red flags. The beauty of this forum is that you could really be able to know whether its really that licensed or regulated or just simply fake, but for me in overall then it would really be just that enough if have seen on how big the community is because this would really be signifying that you have put up yourself into the right place. Although it wont be an assurance that it would be completely 100% safety
but at least you are really that somewhat sure that you are on a better place rather than on risking into those new ones which their reputation isnt really that still established.

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April 01, 2024, 01:05:07 PM
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Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.

My question to all of you is ...

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

I think that as long as no one is complaining about a specific casino,when I am winning there the withdraw is run almost instantly and they have only good reviews not only from this forum but from many other online sources I see no reason to be worried if the casino is regulated or not,of course most likely I believe that the casino is regulated.I don't think that showing a license will reduce the number of scams as the one who has the intention to scam will bypass all levels,buy the license,make the casino pay for sometime and when you least expect it,to go scam.I am not naming a specific one but haven't we just noticed something happening like this not long ago?

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April 01, 2024, 01:27:29 PM
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Casinos are running a business based on reputation, if they have a good reputation, gamblers will choose them because gamblers would feel their money are safe and anytime they can withdraw their winnings without a problem. personally, I don't investigate mucn, as long as the casino is popular, and when checked they claim they have a license, I always make it a go to play.

I like this logic when talking about the casino reputation. Many people already forgetting that even a casino has a licensed, they can still turn into scam because they can always use their license to new casino by updating it to license provider.

On the other hand, Casino reputation that built based on trust for so many years is much reliable as basis on trusting a casino because it can’t be fake or achieved for a short period of time. That’s why casino with good reputation for a long time always protects their reputation because it’s very to build it for so many years. Additionally, they spend already a lot of money for marketing just to promote the brand.
True, I also think there is no guarantee that when a casino has a license that they will be completely safe, because sometimes some problems they may face will make the casino go bankrupt and it will probably become a fraudulent casino.

A good reputation is one way I see whether a casino is worth playing with or not. Because as you said, they build public trust not in one or two years, they build that trust over many years and it may even take a very long time. When they really mean it, it is impossible for them to just destroy the trust they have gained, although there is still a possibility for them to change over time.

Some casinos will even be willing to pay well-known influencers to promote them and gain trust. For me, when they have done that then they are serious, because if they turn into a scam, not only their name is at stake, but the big influencers who promote them will also be affected. We can see their seriousness in what they do.

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April 01, 2024, 01:43:36 PM
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Did you even trust a license from Curacao?

Most casinos have these licenses, I'm more trusted to some user review rather than the license it self. The reason:
1. Curacao only take the money license
2. Curacao not taken any action to casino, just selling license
3. Casino can register & buy license with unknown address
4. We already have casino turn out to be scam with license

So basically, license casino is not meaning to be safe as well. A good proof and review is always based user review, especially in a forum review not just a random review like Trust Pilot.

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Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.

My question to all of you is ...

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

Usually, casino verification is not difficult to find. You need to request this from support and they will be happy to tell you where you can find the information on the site, or they will provide a certificate.

But I think that often organizations that are engaged in casino verification and regulation are most likely: either organized by the heads of casinos, or sponsored by them.
Food campaigns award quality prizes to each other on exactly the same basis. In fact, they are on their own. And that's stupid. This means that only the state can influence this.

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I think that as long as no one is complaining about a specific casino,when I am winning there the withdraw is run almost instantly and they have only good reviews not only from this forum but from many other online sources I see no reason to be worried if the casino is regulated or not,of course most likely I believe that the casino is regulated.I don't think that showing a license will reduce the number of scams as the one who has the intention to scam will bypass all levels,buy the license,make the casino pay for sometime and when you least expect it,to go scam.I am not naming a specific one but haven't we just noticed something happening like this not long ago?
This is what it is really that important is on which you cant really be able to see some pending issues or complaints on a said casino on which this is already that enough for you to stick into a casino.
For sure most people would really be doing something like this on which they would really be watching out those possible issues on which they would really be checking it out if there's current existing or specially with having scam accusations. If there's none and there's some good feedbacks and good user experiences then it would really be that something would really be enough.
Even myself would really be having this kind of consideration when it comes to searching about on a new site to deposit on, always look for viable information on which it would be leading whether it would be positive or negative. It is really just that there are ones who are really that too lazy on doing such thing on which they are ending up on dealing up with scam sites or shady ones because
they are really just that too careless on dealing up with sites which they dont even know on what reputation that it has. Lucky for you if you do go into the right ones but if not
then it would really be a disaster.
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Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.

My question to all of you is ...

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

Usually today, when we gamble in a casino sites or houses, normally what others do is deposit and play only for their own entertainment, but if your intention is to find for long term gambling sites that you can trust with your money, you need you should really read the rules and regulations of a casino, there you can also see if they are really licensed or not, there are other casino sites that show their license to operate as a proof that they are legit to gain the trust of gamblers but there is no certainty because it is still possible for them to become a scam once their users volume up and their real intention is to scam the players.

True, I think it's a fact that most gamblers don't want to think too much about whether the casino they're playing at is licensed or not, because usually they just show up, deposit, play and see if they win or lose regardless of whether they're gambling with the intention and purpose of making money or just for fun. But in thought - think this is also a thing that should not be ignored, or the point is that there is nothing wrong with looking and making sure whether the casino you find is really licensed or not, because this is related to money especially if you are a gambler who comes with the intention of earning where the possibility of fraud can make you feel very upset and emotional.

I used to rarely look and confirm whether the casino I was playing at was licensed or not and I would enter a casino when it had a good enough reputation as a place to find entertainment with the amount of money I could afford to lose, but it seems I should think about this next, I should really look for a casino that is licensed to minimize the level of worry, but yes it is possible for a casino to show something that is not real, or that means they lie to gamblers that they are licensed.

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Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.
My question to all of you is ...
Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?
Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

I don't care about it at all. To me, it is more important to have instant withdrawals, no enforced KYC, fast customer support response... The license doesn't have any importance to me. The casinos get the license to protect themselves from the governments. Without the license the govs may cause lots of trouble to the owners. They pay for the license to get legal protection, it doesn't really serve any purpose.

I see lots of people getting scammed by the casinos and do you know what they all have in common? They all have a gambling license.

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So as a gambler, my advice is that before you start to engage in any gambling activity with any of the casinos, the best thing to do us to fact check their authenticity by seeing other people's review about such casino and also their years of existence. Genuine casino companies will always protect their integrity so that customers will always trust them and be free to engage in their services. Lack of authentic proof of a casino company is and should always be be big factor in determining which casino company to gamble with

This is the right approach to guarantee safety in gambling. But to be specific, Bitcointalk forum is the best place to do a background check since casino ANN thread is transparent for criticism or good feedback. Most importantly, we have trust system here and rank which can guarantee the authenticity of user feedback unlike other review site like trustpilot which anyone can post a review and manipulate it depending on their intentions.

By simply looking at the casino Bitcointalk account, We can easily recognize how trusted their casino or not because we have an active DT members here that making our forum safe from scam.

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April 01, 2024, 02:30:21 PM
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Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified?
Yes. But this seem to be not an issue anymore when you wholly trust the casino that you're gambling with.

How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.
I'm leaning on to their trust and worthiness based on the feed back of its own community. Just like stake, it's a known casino that has a huge base of its customer and it's not just based from the forum but globally, so that's more than enough to assess to trust them whether you want to verify their authenticity or their license or whatsoever basis you have in your mind.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?
Not really, as long as I've trusted them and there's a large number of its community that trusts them as well.

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?
I don't think so. Scam casinos can also get their own license and be good at the beginning. But once they've gained trust from their customers, that's how they can deceive people from being a reputable and trusted into a scammy casino that have planned it long time ago when they've already gained the trust of the community that they've built.

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Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

Licenses and regulations are created as a process to verify the legitimacy of a company. For companies that tend to manage money rather than goods, a license is very necessary to ensure that money from users/customers is safe and to ensure company able to pay if users withdraw money and to guarantee company does not commit fraud. In gambling, a license is needed to prevent scams and also to minimize fraud from providers. Licensing cannot prevent it 100% from scam, but at least users will be safer using licensed services.

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