House Edge

[ricasw]

Both Stake and BCH.games have popular games such as Mines, Tower, Crash, and Target (notably referred to as Limbo on Stake). Stake's platform indicates a house edge of 1% for these games, whereas BCH.games lists a house edge of 2%.

Given that both platforms games are provably fair, I'm curious about the source of the discrepancy in house edge rates. Specifically, does the increased house edge at BCH.games stem solely from the monetary requirements to win (e.g., needing to roll above a 50.99 on BCH.games for a 2x win in Target)?

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

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[Odusko]

I guess in simple terms the 2% house edge give the chance for the game outcome to favor the house on 2x advantage compared to the other casino that have 1% house advantage.
Sometimes I ask how we measure the probably fairness of the game system when there is house edge in place, regardless of how the casino promise to be fair?

[Dunamisx]

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

The difference is what had already been given to you from the first user who replied to this post above, it applies base on each individual platform and they make decision on what percentage they offer on that.

Each gambling platform have their own target and the set rate on house edge, the problem many of us have is that we don't take notice of them before gambling any game on their platform.

[Saint-loup]

Both Stake and BCH.games have popular games such as Mines, Tower, Crash, and Target (notably referred to as Limbo on Stake). Stake's platform indicates a house edge of 1% for these games, whereas BCH.games lists a house edge of 2%.

Given that both platforms games are provably fair, I'm curious about the source of the discrepancy in house edge rates. Specifically, does the increased house edge at BCH.games stem solely from the monetary requirements to win (e.g., needing to roll above a 50.99 on BCH.games for a 2x win in Target)?

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

If you have to draw a number above 50.99, between 0 and 100. The house edge is 2% indeed. Because you have 100 - 51 = 49% chances to win your bet and to double your stake, that is to say to win one time what you've bet, while you have 51% chances to lose your stake. 49% x 1 - 51% x 1= 49% - 51% = -2% It's the same formula as the Expected Value.

[decodx]

The house edges at Stake and BCH.games are different because of how their games work, specifically the payout multipliers when you win.  Let me explain with dice as an example.  

Stake's dice game lets you double your money if you roll over 50.50.  That leaves a narrower range of losing rolls, so your odds of winning are 49.50%.  

BCH. games makes it tougher - you might have to roll over 50.99 to double your money.  Lower odds for you means a higher house edge.

It's subtle, but those little tweaks in the game mechanics shift the math in favor of the casino more at BCH.games.  So over time, across lots of bets, it works out to a 1% house edge for Stake and 2% at BCH.  

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

Yes, it's similar for other games as well.

[OgNasty]

I think it is likely the decision of the site owner to decide what their edge is. Maybe one casino has less users and has to charge a higher fee in order to profit. It shows that shopping around can be beneficial when it comes to casinos. It also shows that Stake is a less costly place to gamble online.

[sunsilk]

Both Stake and BCH.games have popular games such as Mines, Tower, Crash, and Target (notably referred to as Limbo on Stake). Stake's platform indicates a house edge of 1% for these games, whereas BCH.games lists a house edge of 2%.

Given that both platforms games are provably fair, I'm curious about the source of the discrepancy in house edge rates. Specifically, does the increased house edge at BCH.games stem solely from the monetary requirements to win (e.g., needing to roll above a 50.99 on BCH.games for a 2x win in Target)?

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

This is like the exchanges that have different rates for each crypto that we're trading so, it's really a decision if they're going to increase their house edge or not. Maybe some do have 0.5% as the lowest or some can even go lower than that just to attract more customers.

I think that we've got good explanations here on how it works if it's about technicalities and the spread that we're seeing from both of them.

But more of this is like about business and operational cost decisions so, if there are differences, just go to what you prefer. It will all lies to your liking which has a better customer service or you'd go with the percentage.

[seoincorporation]

Given that both platforms games are provably fair, I'm curious about the source of the discrepancy in house edge rates. Specifically, does the increased house edge at BCH.games stem solely from the monetary requirements to win (e.g., needing to roll above a 50.99 on BCH.games for a 2x win in Target)?

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

The 2% house edge means the users will lose 2% of the total wager in the long run, that's another way to see the house edge, if the total wager on 2024 was $1,000 then the house would win $20 with that house edge.

For games like Mines, Tower and Crash what the house can do to have a bigger house edge is to pay less, just as you see on dice a bet on 50% chance to win with a house edge of 1% pays more than the one with a house edge of 2%.

[Lida93]

Explanations about the edge variations has been made in the preceding replies, but I care to ask a simple question about all of this. Do gamblers who have made use of the games from these platforms experience a glaringly variable effects in that 1% edge difference to a large  extend on their rate of wins or the edge difference is a sheer strategic attraction for more users on one side than the other.

What I believe is that whatever edge is given to us gamblers by casinos as the edge they hold to their advantage let the remainder which we are said to have on our side actually reflect in the amount of times gamblers earn wins those games from the casino in contrast to the times losses are made. What do we think about this?

[Stalker22]

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What do we think about this?

Me think "we" have no fracking idea what you are talking about!

Could you please rephrase your question?  Are you wondering if a 1% edge makes a big difference in the short term for individual players?

[PX-Z]

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

Different games have different house edge, sometimes the easier the game the higher the house edge, the higher the house edge the higher the advantage of the casino than it users. Usually house edge is around .5-1% but some have up to 2% it varies from platform to platform. House edge also tells the rtp of the games.

[pinggoki]

I guess in simple terms the 2% house edge give the chance for the game outcome to favor the house on 2x advantage compared to the other casino that have 1% house advantage.
Sometimes I ask how we measure the probably fairness of the game system when there is house edge in place, regardless of how the casino promise to be fair?

I don't think that we need to ask the measurements, just apply some common sense and you'd know that the house always wins since there's more people that are losing money in the casino's games compared to winning which means that they're getting more money than that of losing due to the players wins. Even if they say that they've got a fair system, the odds are still stacked against you since there's not a lot of combinations that would lead you to win comparing that to the number of combinations that would lead you to lose, it will never be fair, because if that was really the case, there's not a lot of people that are risking their money to build a gambling business knowing that they're likely to lose more since it's fair game for both sides.

[Poker Player]

House edge also tells the rtp of the games.

Yes, it's not that there's any secret about it, it's a simple subtraction. If Stake has 1% HE, the RTP is 99% and if BCH has 2% the RTP is 98%. Just as there is no secret about the difference between the HE of one casino and another, as already explained.

[Kakmakr]

A lot of third party game providers offer several different RTP options for the casino to choose from, so the casino makes that choice. It is a bit different for their in-house games, because they have the ability to configure that on their own.

The difference in house edge are ussually very small, because there are stiff competition out there to draw gamblers to their platforms, so with a bit of research.. you might have a little higher chance to win something.. if you pick the casino with the better RTP. (RTP is difficult and expensive to test, so I think it might be manipulated over time)

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Both Stake and BCH.games have popular games such as Mines, Tower, Crash, and Target (notably referred to as Limbo on Stake). Stake's platform indicates a house edge of 1% for these games, whereas BCH.games lists a house edge of 2%.

Given that both platforms games are provably fair, I'm curious about the source of the discrepancy in house edge rates. Specifically, does the increased house edge at BCH.games stem solely from the monetary requirements to win (e.g., needing to roll above a 50.99 on BCH.games for a 2x win in Target)?

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

           -   Is that 2% deducted by the house edge from all casino players for every bet they make with a game provider? So does this mean that, win or lose,
the house always has a cut on everything a gambler bets?

If I look at it, it seems that a casino is similar to the management done by a crypto exchange, where it has a percentage profit for every trade performed by a trader.
That's why house most of the time wins in the games.

[Jawhead999]

           -   Is that 2% deducted by the house edge from all casino players for every bet they make with a game provider? So does this mean that, win or lose,
the house always has a cut on everything a gambler bets?

If I look at it, it seems that a casino is similar to the management done by a crypto exchange, where it has a percentage profit for every trade performed by a trader.
That's why house most of the time wins in the games.

Did you mean like, if I bet $1 and the game has 2% house edge, what I bet is actually $0.98 instead of $1? no it doesn't like that because when you win, the reward you get is calculated by amount of your bet * multipliers/odds.

We can feel how small of big the house edge if we gamble for long, like 10,000x bets or more, if you only bet for 100x times, the house edge won't really affect your bankroll.

[paxmao]

I guess in simple terms the 2% house edge give the chance for the game outcome to favor the house on 2x advantage compared to the other casino that have 1% house advantage.
Sometimes I ask how we measure the probably fairness of the game system when there is house edge in place, regardless of how the casino promise to be fair?

Absolutely, a 2% house edge is excessive in my view for a general case of gaming. Having said that, the very famous roulette has what... like 1 in 50 to the house permanent on the numbers betting on average? That is a 2% edge and even more if you play with the double 00 or, as I have seen with triple zero too in some American casinos. Anyway, you can always find a better deal that 2% that is for sure.

[Mahdirakib]

Given that both platforms games are provably fair, I'm curious about the source of the discrepancy in house edge rates. Specifically, does the increased house edge at BCH.games stem solely from the monetary requirements to win (e.g., needing to roll above a 50.99 on BCH.games for a 2x win in Target)?

Higher house edge brings more profits for the casino in the long run. The difference between 1% and 2% house edge is very simple. You are trying to define it in a complicated way. Mathematically, users will loss $1 for every $100 wager on 1% HE game. Where the users will loss $2 for every $100 wager on 2% house edge game. There will be also difference of losing streak probability for the house edge.

• The chance of getting 5 losses in a row on 1% house edge: 0.505^5 ×100 = 3.28%
• The chance of getting 5 losses in a row on 2% house edge: 0.510^5 ×100 = 3.45%

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

The Mines and Tower game multipliers are low on 2% HE game than the 1% HE game. You can see the difference by playing the games on two casinos with the same settings. The crash games burst more often on lower multipliers on 2% HE game.

[Fatunad]

I guess in simple terms the 2% house edge give the chance for the game outcome to favor the house on 2x advantage compared to the other casino that have 1% house advantage.
Sometimes I ask how we measure the probably fairness of the game system when there is house edge in place, regardless of how the casino promise to be fair?

Absolutely, a 2% house edge is excessive in my view for a general case of gaming. Having said that, the very famous roulette has what... like 1 in 50 to the house permanent on the numbers betting on average? That is a 2% edge and even more if you play with the double 00 or, as I have seen with triple zero too in some American casinos. Anyway, you can always find a better deal that 2% that is for sure.

If a certain platform would really be having that kind of 2% house edge into their games specially on dice then this one would really be left out on the competition on which the lowest i have seen
is on crypto.games which had that 0.8% and this is something the lowest HE i have seen specially on dice game, but i dont know if they have changed it out since i havent checked out the site.
When it comes to winning probability then everything would really becomes random and this is something that HE isnt the reason on lessening out. It would really be just that
a matter of difference on the loses that you could get or accumulate when the game is really that running even more longer.

[khaled0111]

Is that 2% deducted by the house edge from all casino players for every bet they make with a game provider? So does this mean that, win or lose,
the house always has a cut on everything a gambler bets?

No, the casino does not get 2% from each bet placed. However, on the long run ((after many many bets), the house edge which is the advantage the casino has over the player ensures that the casino will be in profit by near 2% from the total wagered amount.
Meaning, after one or few bets, the casino might be in profit or at loss but after too many bets the casino will most likely get 2% (or whatever the He is) from the total amount you have wagered.

[livingfree]

If I look at it, it seems that a casino is similar to the management done by a crypto exchange, where it has a percentage profit for every trade performed by a trader.
That's why house most of the time wins in the games.

It's still different though while the exchange does get commission or fee every time a trade makes a trade and then gets it successfully. So, they're just always getting it all without having the return.

They serve as mediators to the other traders that are using their platform and there's no risk with them. While for the casinos, they're not a mediator and they don't get commission every time someone gambles because they get the entirety of it if someone loses unless the game that they have is a P2P just as the exchanges.

So unlike the exchanges, they're the opponents of the players themselves.

[Poker Player]

Meaning, after one or few bets, the casino might be in profit or at loss but after too many bets the casino will most likely get 2% (or whatever the He is) from the total amount you have wagered.

Well, that high possibility becomes certainty as the total bets increase. There are formulas to calculate it. In the short term the results can deviate statistically from that 2%, and in fact they usually do, it is what is known as variance, but in the longer term they deviate less, tending to that 2%.

[Fortify]

Both Stake and BCH.games have popular games such as Mines, Tower, Crash, and Target (notably referred to as Limbo on Stake). Stake's platform indicates a house edge of 1% for these games, whereas BCH.games lists a house edge of 2%.

Given that both platforms games are provably fair, I'm curious about the source of the discrepancy in house edge rates. Specifically, does the increased house edge at BCH.games stem solely from the monetary requirements to win (e.g., needing to roll above a 50.99 on BCH.games for a 2x win in Target)?

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

In it's simplest terms, in one out of every 100 games one of those casinos will on average guarantee they win once, and the other casino will win twice. Another way of presenting it is, for each dollar that a player places a bet in those casinos, they'll get 99 or 98 cents back. The provably fair system will have these figures within the calculation, so there is nothing suspicious going on there and they are full upfront to users. Each game will have slightly different algorithms and stages, but it almost always leads back to that simple formula mentioned. These sites are consistent money makers for the owners, which is why they continue year after year, which should tell you everything you need to know.

[Wapfika]

Given that both platforms games are provably fair, I'm curious about the source of the discrepancy in house edge rates. Specifically, does the increased house edge at BCH.games stem solely from the monetary requirements to win (e.g., needing to roll above a 50.99 on BCH.games for a 2x win in Target)?

Obviously they want to have an advantage against players that’s why it’s called a house edge. Increasing it will make them secure a fixed percentage of money on every bet of players. It saves them money from the payout of players when they win so that they will always a win win on every players bet.

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

The higher the house edge means you will get less payout on the equivalent risk you are taking. But the dynamics of the games is always the same because they are programmed with almost same code. The only difference is the payout structure on every bet.

[Haunebu]

It's pretty simple op. Casinos like Stake are giving players a greater chance of winning while sites like BC.Game are giving players a lower chance of winning.

Meaning, after one or few bets, the casino might be in profit or at loss but after too many bets the casino will most likely get 2% (or whatever the He is) from the total amount you have wagered.

It's not just 'Most Likely', but it's guaranteed basically. Casinos will always win against gamblers in the long-term implying that the only way gamblers can win against them is in the short-term.

[Poker Player]

It's pretty simple op. Casinos like Stake are giving players a greater chance of winning while sites like BC.Game are giving players a lower chance of winning.

Well, I would say that's a consequence of traffic. A casino that has a much higher traffic and revenue can offer a lower HE, or a higher RTP if you prefer, and still make good profits. That way, by offering a higher RTP, it attracts more customers and the snowball gets bigger.

[Haunebu]

Well, I would say that's a consequence of traffic. A casino that has a much higher traffic and revenue can offer a lower HE, or a higher RTP if you prefer, and still make good profits. That way, by offering a higher RTP, it attracts more customers and the snowball gets bigger.

Valid points. Stake is the most popular crypto gambling site out there which is why they can afford to provide such a low house edge for their games while sites like BC.Game are slightly popular in comparison.

Other factors like minimum bet, withdrawal fees, promos etc should also be checked instead of just relying on house edge in my opinion.

[TheUltraElite]

Given that both platforms games are provably fair, I'm curious about the source of the discrepancy in house edge rates. Specifically, does the increased house edge at BCH.games stem solely from the monetary requirements to win (e.g., needing to roll above a 50.99 on BCH.games for a 2x win in Target)?

Provably fair and House Edge are not the same thing. Provably fair means that they site is not rigging the rolls and you can verify the games to be fair on your own. House edge is the casino's odds advantage over the players' odds.

A site which is provably fair does not necessarily need to be a low edge game. These are two different things.

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

Every game has a different house edge. Calculate that before you start playing, that should remove your confusion here.

[Coin_trader]

It's pretty simple op. Casinos like Stake are giving players a greater chance of winning while sites like BC.Game are giving players a lower chance of winning.

Well, I would say that's a consequence of traffic. A casino that has a much higher traffic and revenue can offer a lower HE, or a higher RTP if you prefer, and still make good profits. That way, by offering a higher RTP, it attracts more customers and the snowball gets bigger.

Valid point and aside from this. Stake is the most active casino on developing and promoting their original games.

They always release new original games while they have a consistent weekly challenge for their original games. They get more profit when players choose to play their original games because they don’t pay commission to 3rd party game providers. Stake probably wants to users play more on original games than the 3rd party games that’s why they lower their house edge aside from the competition with other casino original games.

[shield132]

Both Stake and BCH.games have popular games such as Mines, Tower, Crash, and Target (notably referred to as Limbo on Stake). Stake's platform indicates a house edge of 1% for these games, whereas BCH.games lists a house edge of 2%.

Given that both platforms games are provably fair, I'm curious about the source of the discrepancy in house edge rates. Specifically, does the increased house edge at BCH.games stem solely from the monetary requirements to win (e.g., needing to roll above a 50.99 on BCH.games for a 2x win in Target)?

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

House Edge gives casinos an advantage over you. 1% house edge means that casino has a mathematical (1%) advantage over you and casino is a guaranteed winner for long-term. 2% house edge simply means that it has more advantage over you and long-term casino with 2% house edge will collect more profits than casino with 1% house edge.
If you want to have fun and long-lasting gambling experience, it's better to choose casino with the lowest house edge. 1% is the standard and you'll rarely find any casino with lower house edge.

Mines, Towers, Crash, etc... You should manually check their house edge on casino or contact their support.

[Beparanf]

If you calculate your mathematics very well then you can win the 2x in the BCH.Games. But mainly that should be permitted by the owners of the house and not the gambler. Yes you need to roll the required number t win the game. And if only you have the luck. Now they have you the percentage so it is for you now to roll in to the required %. And one thing you have to know that house edge game is purely mathematical. So you have to plan and calculate well before rolling.

This is wrong, we are only talking about house edge of 1% difference so it’s not an easy x2 difference since this percentage is not even noticeable on every game. There’s no guarantee that you will win x2 by having a 1% house edge advantage over the other casino. That’s not house edge work and it requires millions or more bets before you experience the effect of the 1% difference on house edge.

Most of the time you will not gonna notice because it doesn’t take effect immediately. Also this is house edge which means a percentage which casino getting on your total bets. I think better words is you will lose less by playing on BCH.games

[EarnOnVictor]

First, BCH.games seems to be spreading more rapidly on the gambling section of the forum lately and I suspect that you guys are stylishly doing this, which is evident by using new accounts just for the purpose. Why not come straightforwardly, this forum accommodates all.

For I see nothing so serious about this question except for this recent advanced advertisement style where a well-known name like Stake.com would be used to compare the targetted company (lesser ones). The 1% and 2% house edge are always simple arithmetics, and it is all about what the house wants for them and their customers, so why so much concern about what is obvious?

I also hope the provably fair is truly fair over there.

[carlfebz2]

If you calculate your mathematics very well then you can win the 2x in the BCH.Games. But mainly that should be permitted by the owners of the house and not the gambler. Yes you need to roll the required number t win the game. And if only you have the luck. Now they have you the percentage so it is for you now to roll in to the required %. And one thing you have to know that house edge game is purely mathematical. So you have to plan and calculate well before rolling.

This is wrong, we are only talking about house edge of 1% difference so it’s not an easy x2 difference since this percentage is not even noticeable on every game. There’s no guarantee that you will win x2 by having a 1% house edge advantage over the other casino. That’s not house edge work and it requires millions or more bets before you experience the effect of the 1% difference on house edge.

Most of the time you will not gonna notice because it doesn’t take effect immediately. Also this is house edge which means a percentage which casino getting on your total bets. I think better words is you will lose less by playing on BCH.games

There are people who cant really be able to know on what HE is, they do thinking up that this is some sort of winning chance or similar to this without even trying out to realize that this is really indeed the money which the casino is really taking from you. You would really be able to definitely feel up on how much you do lost on the time that you've seen on how much you have overall wagered but if your winnings is something which is way more than on what you have lost then for sure you wont really be able to feel up the difference. So it would really be that a matter of whether you are really that lucky in overall
because those HE deductions would really be that easily patched up. Just like been said this would really be felt up on long duration type of gambling where those house edge will really be something
that you could be able to feel.

[3kpk3]

First, BCH.games seems to be spreading more rapidly on the gambling section of the forum lately and I suspect that you guys are stylishly doing this, which is evident by using new accounts just for the purpose. Why not come straightforwardly, this forum accommodates all.

It's hilarious seeing some of you completely change the name of BC.Game to BCH.games adding h and s and making it seem like BitcoinCash.games which is just weird if y'all think about it.

Also, I don't think anyone is trying to indirectly advertise BC.Game here because they are doing well in this forum lately and don't need to go to such lengths. Think!

[Don Pedro Dinero]

If you calculate your mathematics very well then you can win the 2x in the BCH.Games. But mainly that should be permitted by the owners of the house and not the gambler. Yes you need to roll the required number t win the game. And if only you have the luck. Now they have you the percentage so it is for you now to roll in to the required %. And one thing you have to know that house edge game is purely mathematical. So you have to plan and calculate well before rolling.

This is wrong, we are only talking about house edge of 1% difference so it’s not an easy x2 difference since this percentage is not even noticeable on every game. There’s no guarantee that you will win x2 by having a 1% house edge advantage over the other casino. That’s not house edge work and it requires millions or more bets before you experience the effect of the 1% difference on house edge.

It seems to me that the person you quote is a clear case of people who write here without having any idea about gambling.

What calculations do you do to win in BCH.games, Agbe? Let's see if you can enlighten us, because when I play slots or roulette, no matter what calculations I do, I can't beat the HE.

There are people who cant really be able to know on what HE is, they do thinking up that this is some sort of winning chance or similar to this without even trying out to realize that this is really indeed the money which the casino is really taking from you <... >So it would really be that a matter of whether you are really that lucky in overall...

Yes, you didn't express yourself very well, but it seems to me that his is a case of thinking he can somehow 'beat' HE, when he doesn't understand what it is.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

If you calculate your mathematics very well then you can win the 2x in the BCH.Games. But mainly that should be permitted by the owners of the house and not the gambler. Yes you need to roll the required number t win the game. And if only you have the luck. Now they have you the percentage so it is for you now to roll in to the required %. And one thing you have to know that house edge game is purely mathematical. So you have to plan and calculate well before rolling.

This is wrong, we are only talking about house edge of 1% difference so it’s not an easy x2 difference since this percentage is not even noticeable on every game. There’s no guarantee that you will win x2 by having a 1% house edge advantage over the other casino. That’s not house edge work and it requires millions or more bets before you experience the effect of the 1% difference on house edge.

Most of the time you will not gonna notice because it doesn’t take effect immediately. Also this is house edge which means a percentage which casino getting on your total bets. I think better words is you will lose less by playing on BCH.games

         -   So that means this might be one of the reasons why many gamblers always lose, right? because if they don't do it, then no casinos will really survive without these marketing strategies.
At least I'm getting an idea of how casinos make a profit.

All I know is that the house edge always wins because I think they always have control over every game that a player chooses as a gambler, gamblers and they only choose the winners, right?

[EarnOnVictor]

First, BCH.games seems to be spreading more rapidly on the gambling section of the forum lately and I suspect that you guys are stylishly doing this, which is evident by using new accounts just for the purpose. Why not come straightforwardly, this forum accommodates all.

It's hilarious seeing some of you completely change the name of BC.Game to BCH.games adding h and s and making it seem like BitcoinCash.games which is just weird if y'all think about it.

Also, I don't think anyone is trying to indirectly advertise BC.Game here because they are doing well in this forum lately and don't need to go to such lengths. Think!

Next time, perhaps you need to visit that bed or allow that intoxicant to wear off before you reply, rather than running your mouth and showing too-know in a manner that makes you look so gross.

For your information, no one is talking about BC.Game but BCH.games, they are two different casinos. Careless people like you will be so bold to reply to what you do not know anything about even without doing a single research to ascertain the fact whether it's what you know or not.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

You are the expert so there is no explanation for you. Go and select any game from BCH.Games and win. And the last time when I played slot games in one of the hotel I visited, for your information I won the game even though house edge is a casino centric games. I don't know why you guys are just like this. even players are winning like that in house edge games, yet some players still win, though players winning is rare.

Look, to avoid drama I'm going to delete the neutral tag, but in this reply you again prove that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. The House Edge has nothing to do with you winning or losing in a session.

[dimonstration]

       -   So that means this might be one of the reasons why many gamblers always lose, right? because if they don't do it, then no casinos will really survive without these marketing strategies.
At least I'm getting an idea of how casinos make a profit.

All I know is that the house edge always wins because I think they always have control over every game that a player chooses as a gambler, gamblers and they only choose the winners, right?

This is correct, House edge makes the casino guarantee profit against players on every bet that players make. The more players get the more the profit from the casino from house edge.

Aside from the house edge, the human error and greed are factors that makes players lose all the time because casino has huge bankroll while players has limited bankroll that can’t withstand a long losing streak or when he becomes greedy and bet huge amount. The only way to beat a casino is to have a bankroll greater than them which is impossible to do because they are heavily loaded. 

[danadc]

Is that 2% deducted by the house edge from all casino players for every bet they make with a game provider? So does this mean that, win or lose,
the house always has a cut on everything a gambler bets?

No, the casino does not get 2% from each bet placed. However, on the long run ((after many many bets), the house edge which is the advantage the casino has over the player ensures that the casino will be in profit by near 2% from the total wagered amount.
Meaning, after one or few bets, the casino might be in profit or at loss but after too many bets the casino will most likely get 2% (or whatever the He is) from the total amount you have wagered.

Ah, this is interesting because 2% increases more every time you bet, I think 2% is high, right? Because in most casinos the house Advantage is 1% and that is enough for the player to lose , I think that the casinos that are more reliable have that advantage, right? 2% is like for casinos that are just starting out and they do it so that they can have a good influence and not go Bankrupt at first, that is like a security measure, that in the end one understands why it is a company that is starting up, but they should still be 1% because as a player I go to the casino where I have more Opportunities to win, regardless of whether it is a new Casino, all Players have this type of thinking, Because no one likes to lose money.

[AbuBhakar]

Ah, this is interesting because 2% increases more every time you bet, I think 2% is high, right? Because in most casinos the house Advantage is 1% and that is enough for the player to lose , I think that the casinos that are more reliable have that advantage, right? 2% is like for casinos that are just starting out and they do it so that they can have a good influence and not go Bankrupt at first, that is like a security measure, that in the end one understands why it is a company that is starting up, but they should still be 1% because as a player I go to the casino where I have more Opportunities to win, regardless of whether it is a new Casino, all Players have this type of thinking, Because no one likes to lose money.

House edge is based on the RTP of the game of the game you will just need to subtract the RTP to 100% to get the house edge of the game meaning in able to determine it you will need to get to the total win and total wager for the game. The house edge is just a theoretical percentage which you can’t apply immediately on a single bet.

In most cases, 2% is not that high because slot games usually have 4% or more depending on the provider set RTP while you can’t even notice the difficulty to win because you will need tons of spin in able to feel the RTP.

[wiss19]

Explanations about the edge variations has been made in the preceding replies, but I care to ask a simple question about all of this. Do gamblers who have made use of the games from these platforms experience a glaringly variable effects in that 1% edge difference to a large  extend on their rate of wins or the edge difference is a sheer strategic attraction for more users on one side than the other.

What I believe is that whatever edge is given to us gamblers by casinos as the edge they hold to their advantage let the remainder which we are said to have on our side actually reflect in the amount of times gamblers earn wins those games from the casino in contrast to the times losses are made. What do we think about this?

True gamblers or those who are playing for the profit will notice the difference of a small house edge from the larger ones and as long as they are playing on a legit casino because some shady casinos can only display numbers while the truth is they are still manipulating their games.

At the end of the day, there is still what we call a bad luck apart from the good luck. So, no matter what variables are there that we see in our screen displays, I'm very sorry to tell that we can still lose it all. As a player I don't focus on the house edge, therefore it is not an attraction for me but it's an advantage for a casino to have a lot of good features.

[dimonstration]

True gamblers or those who are playing for the profit will notice the difference of a small house edge from the larger ones and as long as they are playing on a legit casino because some shady casinos can only display numbers while the truth is they are still manipulating their games.

At the end of the day, there is still what we call a bad luck apart from the good luck. So, no matter what variables are there that we see in our screen displays, I'm very sorry to tell that we can still lose it all. As a player I don't focus on the house edge, therefore it is not an attraction for me but it's an advantage for a casino to have a lot of good features.

There’s no way to determine the house edge difference by just observing your game because it requires the overall game summary for that specific game to determine the house so it’s really impossible to notice it unless you place a huge volume of bet to get a very good sample size for house edge.

That’s why playing on trusted casino is a must so that you can assure that the house edge they displayed is legit because there’s no way to verify it manually using your bets.

[Casdinyard]

Both Stake and BCH.games have popular games such as Mines, Tower, Crash, and Target (notably referred to as Limbo on Stake). Stake's platform indicates a house edge of 1% for these games, whereas BCH.games lists a house edge of 2%.

Given that both platforms games are provably fair, I'm curious about the source of the discrepancy in house edge rates. Specifically, does the increased house edge at BCH.games stem solely from the monetary requirements to win (e.g., needing to roll above a 50.99 on BCH.games for a 2x win in Target)?

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash? Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

No particular source other than the fact that this is how they want their games to be played if I could remember correctly, it's called house edge for a reason anyway, and they could easily make their players play their games the way they wanted it to be played. Monetary requirements is a possibility though, although for Stake I don't really think it solely stems from that, not that I would know anything about how they internally operate and manage their games in the first place lol.

As for how their games are played because of the variance, it's the frog on a pot setup, since the RTP is practically 50%, players are expected to continuously play until they lose all their money in the casino, if it were to be a little cutthroat, players would notice it right away and might shy away from playing in the casino in question, so in reality, the trick is to make them feel as common or normal as possible so as to not rouse suspicion and put the players in a false sense of security while they think the casino they are playing is operating within fair or "slightly" fair parameters.

[Natsuu]

Explanations about the edge variations has been made in the preceding replies, but I care to ask a simple question about all of this. Do gamblers who have made use of the games from these platforms experience a glaringly variable effects in that 1% edge difference to a large  extend on their rate of wins or the edge difference is a sheer strategic attraction for more users on one side than the other.

What I believe is that whatever edge is given to us gamblers by casinos as the edge they hold to their advantage let the remainder which we are said to have on our side actually reflect in the amount of times gamblers earn wins those games from the casino in contrast to the times losses are made. What do we think about this?

At the end of the day, there is still what we call a bad luck apart from the good luck. So, no matter what variables are there that we see in our screen displays, I'm very sorry to tell that we can still lose it all. As a player I don't focus on the house edge, therefore it is not an attraction for me but it's an advantage for a casino to have a lot of good features.

That is why the true luck of the house or the casino itself is not an individual bet. But all of the bets cumulatively, with all the sample size of bets. Over the series of wins and losses over the gambler, the casino always wins. The casino always have the advantage, but still the gambler can outsmart this by knowing when to stop and not to take risk. By being content of their wins and not give it back to the casino. You may not beat the casino, but you may earn money and not lose it.

[dimonstration]

That is why the true luck of the house or the casino itself is not an individual bet. But all of the bets cumulatively, with all the sample size of bets. Over the series of wins and losses over the gambler, the casino always wins. The casino always have the advantage, but still the gambler can outsmart this by knowing when to stop and not to take risk. By being content of their wins and not give it back to the casino. You may not beat the casino, but you may earn money and not lose it.

You can’t consider it as outsmarting because you can’t break the inevitable loss in the long run by just knowing when to stop because you didn’t have profit at all. You can consider it as safety measure or minimizing risk but not an outsmarting move because casino always knew that gamblers will never know how to stop on most cases.

The only to outsmart casino is involving on bets that gives +EV like arbitrage betting or other strategy that will give guarantee positive profit which casino doesn’t allowed. 

[Wiwo]

That is why the true luck of the house or the casino itself is not an individual bet. But all of the bets cumulatively, with all the sample size of bets. Over the series of wins and losses over the gambler, the casino always wins. The casino always have the advantage, but still the gambler can outsmart this by knowing when to stop and not to take risk. By being content of their wins and not give it back to the casino. You may not beat the casino, but you may earn money and not lose it.

You can’t consider it as outsmarting because you can’t break the inevitable loss in the long run by just knowing when to stop because you didn’t have profit at all. You can consider it as safety measure or minimizing risk but not an outsmarting move because casino always knew that gamblers will never know how to stop on most cases.

The only to outsmart casino is involving on bets that gives +EV like arbitrage betting or other strategy that will give guarantee positive profit which casino doesn’t allowed. 

First thing to do is to accept the fact that when you are gambling there is the possibility of either losing at any time and for that it important to only gamble with what you can afford to lose, many ot the times it important to note all this things so as to play safe while in the casinos because many times you may likely lose to the house since the games are configured to favor the house all the time.

Also note that if the house edge is 2% vs 1% then means you have a variation in terms of what you achieve while at the casinos.

[YOSHIE]

How does this variation in house edge impact other games like Mines, Tower, and Crash?

I think both gambling platforms regarding the 'house edge' mechanism implemented are almost the same, if not different, only slightly different, as I can see.

Code:

Game	House advantage
Slots	: 2% to 15%
Video poker	: 0.46% to 5%
Blackjack: 0.28% and up
Craps: 	0.00% to 16.67%
Roulette: 1.35% to 7.69%
Ultimate Texas Hold’em: 2.19% and up
Let It Ride: 3.51% and up
Keno: 25% to 40%
Baccarat: 1.06% to 14.36%
Three: Card Poker	3.37% to 7.28%

What is certain is that the picture that can be taken is that each casino in general tends to apply a different house edge, of course for popular games, of course where this type of game is widely played.

Are the dynamics similar, or is there another mechanism at play influencing the difference in house edge between the two platforms?

Of course, the mechanisms vary and the advantages, in fact, as far as I know, not all types of games have the same percentage, there are various advantages offered to generate house advantages, low and high, I believe the house edge of Stake vs. Stake casinos. BCH.games is different, maybe Stake is bigger.

[Quidat]

That is why the true luck of the house or the casino itself is not an individual bet. But all of the bets cumulatively, with all the sample size of bets. Over the series of wins and losses over the gambler, the casino always wins. The casino always have the advantage, but still the gambler can outsmart this by knowing when to stop and not to take risk. By being content of their wins and not give it back to the casino. You may not beat the casino, but you may earn money and not lose it.

You can’t consider it as outsmarting because you can’t break the inevitable loss in the long run by just knowing when to stop because you didn’t have profit at all. You can consider it as safety measure or minimizing risk but not an outsmarting move because casino always knew that gamblers will never know how to stop on most cases.

The only to outsmart casino is involving on bets that gives +EV like arbitrage betting or other strategy that will give guarantee positive profit which casino doesn’t allowed. 

First thing to do is to accept the fact that when you are gambling there is the possibility of either losing at any time and for that it important to only gamble with what you can afford to lose, many ot the times it important to note all this things so as to play safe while in the casinos because many times you may likely lose to the house since the games are configured to favor the house all the time.

Also note that if the house edge is 2% vs 1% then means you have a variation in terms of what you achieve while at the casinos.

1% or 2% which it doesnt matter much because luck factor would really be still the main consideration when playing up on a dice game or any similar games which we know that winning or becoming that profitable will really be just that basing up on how lucky you would be.House edge pertains on how much you would really be losing in overall wager in a particular time or duration depending or basing up on how long your bankroll would really be able to sustain. This is the main difference and its a misconception for most people about house edge and winning chance or odds which is really that completely different to each other.

Somehow it is really that important for most people about in regarding the differences about those % which it might that look less to others but every point % would surely counts.
This is why they would really be deciding on sticking into those places which does have that lesser % house edge in compared to those higher ones which it would really be that a common approach.
It is really just that it is really that wrong in between HE and winning chance or odds.

[bhadz]

IMO, OP isn't really asking for variation of the games that he has mentioned for the house edge or its percentage. But he has mentioned a lot of bch.games and that's what he's sole purpose in making this thread. He has logged in on April 13 but never gave any of his thoughts to all of the answers that have been said for the questions that he has asked. If he's coming back soon and gonna break this thought of mine, that is totally okay and not a problem at all. This is my opinion since we get this a lot.

[LUCKMCFLY]

1% or 2% which it doesnt matter much because luck factor would really be still the main consideration when playing up on a dice game or any similar games which we know that winning or becoming that profitable will really be just that basing up on how lucky you would be.House edge pertains on how much you would really be losing in overall wager in a particular time or duration depending or basing up on how long your bankroll would really be able to sustain. This is the main difference and its a misconception for most people about house edge and winning chance or odds which is really that completely different to each other.

For me it is very important that things in casinos have the house advantage because it is Synonymous with things being able to go well and being able to Withstand crises worldwide, so for me the house advantage is interesting, to think that it is bad for us. as players because it guarantees the casino to always have profits at our expense, but it is Valid worldwide , because the house advantage will always be the main basis for the business to always be generated, in itself, as I have always said, a casino is a company, and that company is what we see will do robberies over time, that's why a casino always survives, because of that house edge.

[AmoreJaz]

IMO, OP isn't really asking for variation of the games that he has mentioned for the house edge or its percentage. But he has mentioned a lot of bch.games and that's what he's sole purpose in making this thread. He has logged in on April 13 but never gave any of his thoughts to all of the answers that have been said for the questions that he has asked. If he's coming back soon and gonna break this thought of mine, that is totally okay and not a problem at all. This is my opinion since we get this a lot.

Just promoting a certain casino is common in some threads here. But would be nice if he will also give his opinion after reading some of the replies so readers will be interested on what this thread is all about. Also, after creating this thread, the OP has no more activity so wondering his real intentions here?

Besides, house edge has been tackled and discussed many times in the gambling discussion board. Just few example threads that you can check out -

Casino games and the house edge : Players odds to win?
House Edge -- Is It Really Required?
How do you calculate house edge...?

[Russlenat]

1% or 2% which it doesnt matter much because luck factor would really be still the main consideration when playing up on a dice game or any similar games which we know that winning or becoming that profitable will really be just that basing up on how lucky you would be.House edge pertains on how much you would really be losing in overall wager in a particular time or duration depending or basing up on how long your bankroll would really be able to sustain. This is the main difference and its a misconception for most people about house edge and winning chance or odds which is really that completely different to each other.

For me it is very important that things in casinos have the house advantage because it is Synonymous with things being able to go well and being able to Withstand crises worldwide, so for me the house advantage is interesting, to think that it is bad for us. as players because it guarantees the casino to always have profits at our expense, but it is Valid worldwide , because the house advantage will always be the main basis for the business to always be generated, in itself, as I have always said, a casino is a company, and that company is what we see will do robberies over time, that's why a casino always survives, because of that house edge.

We can't change the norms, house edge will always be present in any games in a casino, they only differ in terms of percentage, some have 1% which is already low while some have higher house edge. They'll win in the long run, that's their advantage and since they can limit the bets, that makes them stay longer while they continue to be profitable. What we should ensure is that the casino is not rig, and then we will play with the house edge, if we are lucky we win but of course in the long run we will still lose. That's why we are suggested to just gamble for fun particularly on games that are based on luck.

[LUCKMCFLY]

What we should ensure is that the casino is not rig, and then we will play with the house edge, if we are lucky we win but of course in the long run we will still lose. That's why we are suggested to just gamble for fun particularly on games that are based on luck.

I agree with you , the main thing here is that Things in casinos are legal and authentic, we cannot afford to play in a fraudulent casino , because that would be the worst, and being robbed is not pleasant at all, that's why Suqe the most reliable like stake.com and others always do it and look for a way to work well, when it comes to new casinos I am somewhat distrustful, I don't trust because I have been through very bad situations and that has made me Reflect that things must be Different to be Able to To Achieve our objectives , in this order of ideas we must meet all our personal Standards, how to play in a Reliable casino and Apart from everything that the house Edge is the factor that we never Forget. .

[Ojima-ojo]

What we should ensure is that the casino is not rig, and then we will play with the house edge, if we are lucky we win but of course in the long run we will still lose. That's why we are suggested to just gamble for fun particularly on games that are based on luck.

I agree with you , the main thing here is that Things in casinos are legal and authentic, we cannot afford to play in a fraudulent casino , because that would be the worst, and being robbed is not pleasant at all, that's why Suqe the most reliable like stake.com and others always do it and look for a way to work well, when it comes to new casinos I am somewhat distrustful, I don't trust because I have been through very bad situations and that has made me Reflect that things must be Different to be Able to To Achieve our objectives , in this order of ideas we must meet all our personal Standards, how to play in a Reliable casino and Apart from everything that the house Edge is the factor that we never Forget. .

House edge have been one of the most discussed topics in most gambling discussion the reason is that house edge also is what determines how and what the gambler end up with for playing the game and what the possibility of his winning is because the higher the house edge the harder it becomes for Gambler's to win in such games.


Stake is one big casino that many will be interested in the discussions and analyses of the house edge on stake so as to enlighten newbies and others on what to expect on the casinos when they engage there.

[LUCKMCFLY]

House edge have been one of the most discussed topics in most gambling discussion the reason is that house edge also is what determines how and what the gambler end up with for playing the game and what the possibility of his winning is because the higher the house edge the harder it becomes for Gambler's to win in such games.

Regarding the house advantage, it will always be something that all players in casinos look for to be lower, it is difficult to determine, where they are determined faster is in slot machines, because it is the so-called RTP, the higher the better, but Of course it only applies there, in other games you can compare from casino to casino where it is easier to win, generally in very large casinos like stake.com, they do not have to modify that parameter, because they are reliable casinos that do not want to spoil anything, The years have given them all the credibility that many want to have, and that is why they continue to be the best, of course there are many casinos that are competitor s, but I think that the casino that has the most community is because they win more, no , a simple logic.

[EarnOnVictor]

True gamblers or those who are playing for the profit will notice the difference of a small house edge from the larger ones and as long as they are playing on a legit casino because some shady casinos can only display numbers while the truth is they are still manipulating their games.

At the end of the day, there is still what we call a bad luck apart from the good luck. So, no matter what variables are there that we see in our screen displays, I'm very sorry to tell that we can still lose it all. As a player I don't focus on the house edge, therefore it is not an attraction for me but it's an advantage for a casino to have a lot of good features.

There’s no way to determine the house edge difference by just observing your game because it requires the overall game summary for that specific game to determine the house so it’s really impossible to notice it unless you place a huge volume of bet to get a very good sample size for house edge.

That’s why playing on trusted casino is a must so that you can assure that the house edge they displayed is legit because there’s no way to verify it manually using your bets.

Thank you for this my friend, and I must say that I read some things on this forum in surprise, especially on how people believe heresies. I wonder why I will believe the house when they cannot prove a dime that they have a certain house edge in the percentage. What is the basis for me to just believe such? Many gamblers are indeed gullible in this regard and the lack of reason for me to believe this kind of a thing was why I never took the main OP seriously in the first place. Quoting that casinos have a certain house edge may not exonerate the gambler from cheating, they are the ones calling the shot and they will only let you know what they want you to know/believe. Even provably fair is not true anymore these days, we should only pray for luck even as we gamble wisely and responsibly. The use of good casinos is a very key point here as you said, because no matter what, in the end, you will be treated averagely fair in the worst-case scenario.

[markk1]

Just understand that any house edge will always take your entire bankroll. Even if you play with a 0 house edge, you will still lose sooner or later due to the fact that the casino has restrictions on the maximum bet.
In this case, bonuses, cashback, etc. will give you an advantage. Better to play poker against people.

[Synchronice]

Because in most casinos the house Advantage is 1% and that is enough for the player to lose , I think that the casinos that are more reliable have that advantage, right? 2% is like for casinos that are just starting out and they do it so that they can have a good influence and not go Bankrupt at first, that is like a security measure, that in the end one understands why it is a company that is starting up, but they should still be 1% because as a player I go to the casino where I have more Opportunities to win, regardless of whether it is a new Casino, all Players have this type of thinking, Because no one likes to lose money.

House edge higher than 0 guarantees casino that long-term they'll be in profit. The high or low house edge has nothing to do with the reliability too. Casino with 1% house edge can be as reliable as casino with 10% house edge and opposite. You have to check casino's reviews and choose it accordingly.

1% or 2% which it doesnt matter much because luck factor would really be still the main consideration when playing up on a dice game or any similar games which we know that winning or becoming that profitable will really be just that basing up on how lucky you would be.

Actually, it matters. Mathematically, you'll be able to have longer gambling session with 1% house edge than with 2% house edge. Overall, as you said, if you are very lucky, you might win with 99% house edge But you have to be very lucky. House Edge simply gives casino an edge over player but if player is lucky, he/she will win but the majority of people won't be in profit.

[uneng]

Just understand that any house edge will always take your entire bankroll. Even if you play with a 0 house edge, you will still lose sooner or later due to the fact that the casino has restrictions on the maximum bet.
In this case, bonuses, cashback, etc. will give you an advantage. Better to play poker against people.

Actually, if there were a 0% house edge casino I think we would have chances to win on long run, because it would mean random outcomes without any advantage for one side or another. For that reason, there isn't any 0% house edge casinos available, otherwise the casinos would be under constant risk of losses on long run, turning the business into an unsustainable one which couldn't be maintained anymore.

On the other hand, 0% house edge games would be a great concept for PvP decentralized games. That is, games which wouldn't have a casino platform as middleman, so there would be 50% winning chances for both gamblers competing against each other.

[Odusko]

IMO, OP isn't really asking for variation of the games that he has mentioned for the house edge or its percentage. But he has mentioned a lot of bch.games and that's what he's sole purpose in making this thread. He has logged in on April 13 but never gave any of his thoughts to all of the answers that have been said for the questions that he has asked. If he's coming back soon and gonna break this thought of mine, that is totally okay and not a problem at all. This is my opinion since we get this a lot.

I guess some members will report this thread for it to get locked since the ops is not active to give directions to what the topic is all about and how to get the best answer to what he asking, and again I won't blame those that responded based on house edge variation since the ops did not give clear statement of what he is looking out for and since he created the thread he ran away from the thread I don't know what his motives are to create this discussions.

[paxmao]

I guess in simple terms the 2% house edge give the chance for the game outcome to favor the house on 2x advantage compared to the other casino that have 1% house advantage.
Sometimes I ask how we measure the probably fairness of the game system when there is house edge in place, regardless of how the casino promise to be fair?

Yes and it is optically no very big when they say it, it is like the fees of 1% or 2%, it does not seem very big, but in fact as you say is actually duplicating the price of the product.  I am not sure people understand clearly of look closely to the hedge, as it seems little, however we all should be paying attention to it as we would pay attention when buying a car or a similar item.