Re: BitcoinGirl.Club: How a condescending attitude equates to trust exclusion

[dkbit98]

First openly^[1] and then in PM, icopress told everyone [that are in his campaigns, targeting those who are effected by Jambler's ban] to distrust BitcoinGirl.Club and they did.

That is a lie and/or false assumption mixed with some paranoia.
Icopress never told me to distrust you or anyone else, and I am not some blind follower to do whatever someone else tells me to do.
You are obviously pissed that so many people distrusting you now, but nobody trusts snitches with their judgement even if they are speaking the truth, and this was not the case here  

You also got another member who now trusts you for ''good'' job:  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3559721

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[BitcoinGirl.Club]

@Charles-Tim, @Charles-Tim I logged off earlier and have no plan to login again but after seeing the bold fonts from both of you I had to come back because I see where I went wrong so it needs to be cleared before it confuse people more. I realized I picked the wording which made wrong essence. I should have explained it better. The post is edited now [rephrased the whole line]. However, for the clear essence, the attached footnote was a good indicator where it said I was working hard past few days [...]

To avoid the confusion, icopress specifically did not ask anyone [at least in public, perhaps not even in PM he would dare] to distrust [~BitcoinGirl.Club] me. His whole attempt was to show everyone that I am the culprit and everyone is at a loss because of me.

You are obviously pissed that so many people distrusting you now, but nobody trusts snitches with their judgement even if they are speaking the truth, and this was not the case here  

I am not pissed with everyone but icopress. I am trying to understand what causes the massive blow? [1.] icopress influenced everyone [2.] two of my posts that caused all these blow [3.] the neutral feedbacks that I left for icopress and Jambler.

[dkbit98]

I am not pissed with everyone but icopress. I am trying to understand what causes the massive blow? [1.] icopress influenced everyone [2.] two of my posts that caused all these blow [3.] the neutral feedbacks that I left for icopress and Jambler.

Then why are you listing all the members who don't trust your judgment anymore, any why deceive people that icopress ordered everyone to do this?
That ''neutral'' post you wrote to him was actually negative in reality, as you directly blamed him that he mismanaged jambler campaign
It appears that you used special cover technique in your feedback written to him just to avoid critique from other members.
For someone who allegedly wanted more transparency and ''justice'' this was not so transparent.

If I had my trust list active again, just for this sentence I would not trust you anymore:

First openly^[1] and then in PM, icopress told everyone [that are in his campaigns, targeting those who are effected by Jambler's ban] to distrust BitcoinGirl.Club and they did.

[TryNinja]

It seems like you were so angry about getting a neutral tag

I didn't? It wasn't me.

[PytagoraZ]

Then why are you listing all the members who don't trust your judgment anymore, any why deceive people that icopress ordered everyone to do this?
That ''neutral'' post you wrote to him was actually negative in reality, as you directly blamed him that he mismanaged jambler campaign

Icopress got a neutral tag but you're the one who's angry? Come on, is this how you can continue to use in Icopress campaigns? Impressive way

Since when did the neutral tag become negative? Come on, you are a member of 7000 merits, don't be silly just to defend other people. @loyceV, I think you have explained the thread of trust systems very clearly, Looks like there are members who need to read it again

It seems like you were so angry about getting a neutral tag

I didn't? It wasn't me.

As a DT, replying because of a netral tag given to you is ridiculous, almost like abuse. So the DT power you have is only used for personal gain.

I'm surprised a member like you went that far because you defended icopress, maybe because he always includes you in his campaigns. I respected you before and did not expect you to do such a reckless thing

[TryNinja]

As a DT, replying because of a negative tag given to you is ridiculous, almost like abuse. So the DT power you have is only used for personal gain.

I'm surprised a member like you went that far because you defended icopress, maybe because he always includes you in his campaigns. I respected you before and did not expect you to do such a reckless thing

I’m not following you. Which negative tag was given to me?

I think I made myself very clear and you are trying to pull me into more unnecessary drama (your signature and personal text tells me you are/have turned into a drama-based member), which I’m not really interested… good luck.

[PytagoraZ]

As a DT, replying because of a negative tag given to you is ridiculous, almost like abuse. So the DT power you have is only used for personal gain.

I'm surprised a member like you went that far because you defended icopress, maybe because he always includes you in his campaigns. I respected you before and did not expect you to do such a reckless thing

I’m not following you. Which negative tag was given to me?

I think I made myself very clear and you are trying to pull me into more unnecessary drama (your signature and personal text tells me you are/have turned into a drama-based member), which I’m not really interested… good luck.

No, it's not about neg tag. But for your overreaction to the neutral tag you got.

Jollygood? Yes, he DT is the most abuse and has used unhealthy methods to destroy someone's reputation and it is inappropriate for such methods to be used. Someone needs to fight, if you don't dare, it's no problem. I am here and will fight to the death

I also don't drag you in drama, I respect you with the ninjastics you have, you are a member who contributes a lot to the forum

[dkbit98]

I’m not following you. Which negative tag was given to me?

Please ignore this troll, this is textbook example of when to use magical ignore button in forum.
It is so stupid to assume that I am angry about anything for simply answering lies from other members (that also involved me).
I am not going to waste my time debating or answering anything with cheating liars, but everyone else can find more information about him in link below:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5489102.0

[LoyceV]

What really bothers me is how some users thoughtlessly, seemingly without even thinking updated their default trustlist. First openly^[1] and then in PM, icopress told everyone [that are in his campaigns, targeting those who are effected by Jambler's ban] to distrust [as dislike/blame] BitcoinGirl.Club and it worked. Why icopress did that? Because he did not like my detailed documentation for his lie on my face and the neutral feedback I left for him & Jambler team

Ignoring the unproven PM statement, I don't see what's wrong with asking users to change their Trust list. I've argued to exclude someone on several occasions, and if the arguments are convincing, that can work. As far as I know, the DefaultTrust system is supposed to work like this:

In borderline cases, it should result in something of a political battle.

That being said, I was surprised by the number of Trust exclusions in a single week. I'm also surprised this caused so much drama: theymos made a decision, if you don't like that decision, blame theymos. But it's not going to change anything. I was also surprised by the neutral tags left by BitcoinGirl.Club, but since it's neutral, it shouldn't be a big deal. The wording is such that I can't take it seriously: "Scamming the idea of".... Wait what?! Followed by: "caused Jambler a reputational damage".... Wait a minute? Which one is it? The first one was scamming an idea, but the "idea scammer" got reputation damage and somehow that's a problem? Which one is it?

So, should icopress be banned for promoting mixers?

Nullum crimen sine lege.

I logged off earlier and have no plan to login again but after seeing the bold fonts from both of you I had to come back

Are you saying you'll leave Bitcointalk because someone was mean to you?

[PytagoraZ]

I’m not following you. Which negative tag was given to me?

Please ignore this troll, this is textbook example of when to use magical ignore button in forum.
It is so stupid to assume that I am angry about anything for simply answering lies from other members (that also involved me).
I am not going to waste my time debating or answering anything with cheating liars, but everyone else can find more information about him in link below:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5489102.0

Yes, you always had bad taste in arguing. Can you explain how neutral tags become negative tags? A ridiculous statement made by a member with 7000 merits.

I think everyone already knows about my case, do I need to bump thread nutildah for you?

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account. He scolded me for this, if you want to give a tag, please give it to me and don't give it to komisariatku

Do you also use each other old underwear and toothbrushes by any chance?
With silly statements and stupid pretending when talking to yourself like this you are only digging deeper hole for yourself.
Congrats on ruining your accounts, and I can't wait to see other alt accounts you used for cheating

Look at your comments, just useless nonsense. If komisariatku had not told me not to comment there, I would have argued with you for your faulty logic.

[lovesmayfamilis]

It seems to me that by opening this thread and expressing his guesses about the trust change request, the OP may get even more tildes into his trust. Your demeanor of always going against the wind often shows the wrong side of you and not the person that you OP may not be. Nevertheless, an opinion is emerging. An attempt to prove what others supposedly do not see, taking a position above everyone else, speaks of youth, and adolescence, although yes, I know that you point out to everyone your registration date. But not everyone grows up when they become adults.
Why not resolve this issue initially in a PM, so as not to cause so much controversy from others?
But you won, what upsets you?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

As a DT, replying because of a netral tag given to you is ridiculous, almost like abuse.

The neutral was not given to him but to icopress.

Has anyone noticed a neutral was also given to Jay Johanson too or no one directed there yet? No one is interested^[1]?

That being said, I was surprised by the number of Trust exclusions in a single week.

It was a blow for me. I was also surprised and felt something was not right, somewhere there is a synchronization.

Not all of those who excluded^[2] me were from the Jambler campaign [cygan, NeuroticFish, TryNinja, BlackHatCoiner], there were some from other campaigns [managed by icopress. Members are 1miau, paid2], someone who was impressed by icopress's work [apogio, a former merit cycling club youngest member], Timelord2067, jayce, Trofo and Hhampuz.

Hhampuz was odd. Last year, just before the Champions league to start I and him had massive argument about the main sponsor which he concluded with a neutral feedback and I concluded with not to join CL pool. The exclusion did not happen at that time but something thoughtful happened and he decided to exclude now with all these users. It's totally an odd timing.

It would be wrong not to think that all of these members were informed secretly [snitching, misguiding, using the poor relationship as Hhampuz-me] at the same day or week. Perhaps we have many other members who were informed secretly but not everyone thought it's right to response or decided to response later.

I logged off earlier and have no plan to login again but after seeing the bold fonts from both of you I had to come back

Are you saying you'll leave Bitcointalk because someone was mean to you?

Not really, I don't spend the whole day on bitcointalk LOL. It was about shutting down my computer and went back to my real life.

^[1]LoyceV finally noticed LOL
^[2]Please don't think me wrong. I am not pissed [as dkbit98 thought I was, which was wrong again] by the actions from any of you except icopress. If there is a connection between all these then I am right to suspect icopress is the man who encouraged everyone to look at the feedback I left to him, created the essence to believe I am the culprit for Jambler's ban then suggested/applied a technique to manipulate the minds. Could I be wrong or you think icopress have someone to do the dirty job for him so that you never can imagine his involvement? I would like a precise answer from you.

There are some members who are diverting [perhaps it's not their intention] the essence of the thread. We know from experience that things end with nothing in these type of threads. So my responses will be limited but I will read your information with huge interest.

Why not resolve this issue initially in a PM, so as not to cause so much controversy from others?

A note was taken. Thank you.

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[Trofo]

@BitCoingirl.Club

Wouldn't come here if you did not tag me. I excluded you from my trust list because I don't consider you the same person I had dealings with in the past.

While you were still Pamoldar, you were one of the better posters in gambling and I enjoyed banter with you. I don't know if your account changed hands or if just real life changed both of us in a some way. But I don't feel like I am dealing with same person. I am not the one who likes to do research about stuff like that so my personal feelings along with some of your comments and recent trust ratings were enough for me to exclude you from my trust list. Recent events were trigger but not the cause of my action.

Shouldn't trust lists also be personal? This way it just leads to unnecessary drama. I am sure that was discussed in meta but I don't visit that part of the forum often. Also did not read anything but your last post here so I am sorry if I missed the point on something.

[PytagoraZ]

As a DT, replying because of a netral tag given to you is ridiculous, almost like abuse.

The neutral was not given to him but to icopress.

Really? really an overreaction. But actually that's normal, because logically it's better to support icopress because they get campaigns from him.

[NotATether]

What really bothers me is how some users thoughtlessly, seemingly without even thinking updated their default trustlist. First openly^[1] and then in PM, icopress told everyone [that are in his campaigns, targeting those who are effected by Jambler's ban] to distrust [as dislike/blame] BitcoinGirl.Club and it worked.

I can't speak for the other participants, but in the PM I got from icopress, there was no talk about you in it.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I wouldn't wanna make this look too intrusive but, Bitcoingirl's attitude changed after the major hack recovery. Not in a bad way, but it seems like she became a bit rigorous... ain't gonna lie, sometimes I feel it's not the same person; mind you, you don't have to listen/believe me but that's just my thought.

I wouldn't wanna make this look too intrusive but, Bitcoingirl's attitude changed after the major hack recovery

Were you around before and when the hack happened?  
Feels like it was a long time ago. I remember the saga.

I do alot of reading   which, is why I know basically all the sagas from the old times.

Edit: Aside the fact that you were a little bit dramatic during the whole mixer ban controversy, I haven't had any direct dealings with you and I don't have to hate you for whatever reasons others are..
Just like I said earlier, I had to dig deep into your history to have a better understanding of who you truly was.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

I wouldn't wanna make this look too intrusive but, Bitcoingirl's attitude changed after the major hack recovery

Were you around before and when the hack happened?  

Feels like it was a long time ago. I remember the saga.

[hugeblack]

we all value privacy and most of us are against banning mixers, but is the reason for not trusting @BitcoinGirl.Club because he made it clear that @jambler was a mixer? Or did I miss something?

I wanted to check latest updated list ----> http://loyce.club/trust/2024-04-27_Sat_05.07h/662330.html  but I get (sorry, that page is missing.) @LoyceV you need to make some updates.

@BitcoinGirl.Club you need to check the trust list of accounts that distrusted you. If they have a changing distrust list, there is no need to ask them, and if it is them first-timer, it is better to ask them in PM. Depending on their reasons, you can decide to lock topic or not.

Briefly:

 - I still trust @BitcoinGirl.Club, and if there is a reason not to trust him, it is best to list it below so I can remove him.
 - You should not distrust @BitcoinGirl.Club because he made it clear that jambler is a mixer.
 - I still trust @icopress and I do not see that he forced others to distrust @BitcoinGirl.Club.
 - I didn't like the way @icopress explained^[1] what happened.

[1]

Friends, the campaign is likely to be suspended soon, for this you can thank Royce, BitcoinGirl.Club and hugeblack, who have been working hard over the past few days to present Jambler as a mixer that provides services to ordinary users .. which is not true.

[LoyceV]

I wanted to check latest updated list ----> http://loyce.club/trust/2024-04-27_Sat_05.07h/662330.html  but I get (sorry, that page is missing.) @LoyceV you need to make some updates.

Sorry about that. A username change messed up my script, and needed manual attention. But it's Kingsday here, so we had plans with the kids. I wiped the "damaged" directory to prevent people from linking to it.

A new update is running now, this link should work when it's done: loyce.club/trust/2024-04-27_Sat_16.29h/662330.html.
Update: it's done.

You need to change to UID to identify a user.

That's the thing: theymos' trust data dumps (unlike his Merit data dumps) use usernames.

[Vod]

Sorry about that. A username change messed up my script, and needed manual attention.

You need to change to UID to identify a user.  Some idiots like Tradefortress used to play around with usernames to break BPIP.