Devin Haney - Sandor Martin Ordered By WBC For The Light Welterweight Title

[Viscore]

You cannot get your confidence back after getting knocked down three times and humiliated, and Sandor's team will go for a title shot.

I like that you mentioned this factor, that loss to Ryan Garcia although it's a non title fight is so big for him, so maybe he is affected emotionally on that and his come back  is just premature and Sandor might be able to use that on his advantage. Now, I like to bet on Sandor as I'm sure he is the heavy underdog, Haney is not unbeatable anymore, and that alone is already a reality that we can consider to be attracted with betting on his opponent.

We'll know an update on this negotiation in a few weeks.

I thought it's already confirm, what are we talking here? it's confirm that they'll fight but no venue and date yet?

[coin-investor]

Update on the Devin Haney - Sandor Martin:

This is a big disappointment for Devin Haney. He is upset at the amount of money he will receive to fight Sandor Martin; it was reported that Top Rank Boxing outbid Matchroom Boxing at $2.42M to win the rights to host on ESPN.
A far cry from the $30 million he received when he fought Ryan Garcia, if Haney does not agree to what Top Rank is offering, he will have to vacate his WBC title, so we will see if he will proceed with the fight at that amount or he will vacate it.
Devin loses his appeal after that huge loss to Ryan Garcia, but he needs to remain a champion if he wants a rematch against Ryan, so I believe he will likely fight Sandor with that amount.

[btc_angela]

Update on the Devin Haney - Sandor Martin:

This is a big disappointment for Devin Haney. He is upset at the amount of money he will receive to fight Sandor Martin; it was reported that Top Rank Boxing outbid Matchroom Boxing at $2.42M to win the rights to host on ESPN.
A far cry from the $30 million he received when he fought Ryan Garcia, if Haney does not agree to what Top Rank is offering, he will have to vacate his WBC title, so we will see if he will proceed with the fight at that amount or he will vacate it.
Devin loses his appeal after that huge loss to Ryan Garcia, but he needs to remain a champion if he wants a rematch against Ryan, so I believe he will likely fight Sandor with that amount.

Fans hate his boring style though, I agree that he had accomplished a lot, still very young, but he doesn't have the charisma that Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia has. So he will have to understand the business side of boxing that he will not always get what he wanted since he can't bring fans to the arena to watch his fight.

It's just interesting though that his promotions, Matchroom didn't try to outbid Top Rank or didn't offer huge money here? So yeah, it's a disappointed for him. I was not also aware that he fired his father as a trainer as this father and son and other duo in boxing right now are very close. So that's another relationship that turns awkward because of a loss.

[Baofeng]

I think Haney will be able to regain himself here. I don't see his opponent to be dangerous to be honest because he has a low KO rate.

based on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/578364... out of 42 wins, he only have 15 KO, and he has 3 losses already. So I believe this fighter is not really a threat to Haney, this might look like a tune up fight for Haney to get back in the game, but he is not the same fighter anymore as he was already beaten by Ryan Garcia.

Agreed, however this Sandor should not be underestimated. If everyone speculates that this will be very easy for Devin Haney very much similar on how everyone speculated that Ryan Garcia was going to be easy for Haney, I reckon research Sandor's fights. He has a majority decision victory against Mikey Garcia and a split decision loss against Teofimo Lopez. This implies that he is trying is most hardest against the best boxers. If the odds for this is again similar to King Ry vs. Haney, the correct bet might be on Sandor.

There are 3 people on Sandor victory by decision. I reckon these are me, @bisdak and @Boafeng hehehehehee.

I haven' voted yet, hehehe. But I do like the chances of Sandor Martin here, very tough fighter and maybe Haney pick up the wrong boxer for this comeback fight if he decided to go with Martin or just chooses to vacant the title of he doesn't want the money being offered to him or what he will be getting because it way less than his last fight with Ryan.

Yes, that fight with Teo Lopez and that win against Garcia really shows what kind of boxer Sandor here. He doesn't care who is in front of him. And lately, we've seen some upets so I wouldn't be surprised if Sandor came in strong and try to get a win here with a hard and grinding fight to make Haney uncomfortable which he is not used to.

[aioc]

Update on the Devin Haney - Sandor Martin:

This is a big disappointment for Devin Haney. He is upset at the amount of money he will receive to fight Sandor Martin; it was reported that Top Rank Boxing outbid Matchroom Boxing at $2.42M to win the rights to host on ESPN.
A far cry from the $30 million he received when he fought Ryan Garcia, if Haney does not agree to what Top Rank is offering, he will have to vacate his WBC title, so we will see if he will proceed with the fight at that amount or he will vacate it.
Devin loses his appeal after that huge loss to Ryan Garcia, but he needs to remain a champion if he wants a rematch against Ryan, so I believe he will likely fight Sandor with that amount.

Fans hate his boring style though, I agree that he had accomplished a lot, still very young, but he doesn't have the charisma that Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia has. So he will have to understand the business side of boxing that he will not always get what he wanted since he can't bring fans to the arena to watch his fight.

It's just interesting though that his promotions, Matchroom didn't try to outbid Top Rank or didn't offer huge money here? So yeah, it's a disappointed for him. I was not also aware that he fired his father as a trainer as this father and son and other duo in boxing right now are very close. So that's another relationship that turns awkward because of a loss.

I also don't like his style he is a poor version of Mayweather; at least Mayweather has a knockout punch and a solid chin, their only similarity is the footwork and defense, but overall, he is a poor copy of Mayweather; you can't never be great if your two weaknesses are not having a big punch and a glass chin, the $2.4 million dollar is his worth as a boxer now for being exposed by Ryan.

Let's see if he swallows his pride and proceeds with the fight, but there is news that he will not fight unless they correct his record and make him undefeated because of Ryan's violation.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Fans hate his boring style though, I agree that he had accomplished a lot, still very young, but he doesn't have the charisma that Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia has. So he will have to understand the business side of boxing that he will not always get what he wanted since he can't bring fans to the arena to watch his fight.

The fact this fight only got one bid, from Sandor Martin’s promoter, shows what his true market value is when he is the A-side fighter. Even the fight with Ryan Garcia struggled to sell tickets. Haney is a talented fighter, but he is not a superstar and shouldn’t be fighting on PPV. A few decades ago he might have been good enough to headline on HBO, but these days fighters aren’t satisfied with just being on TV and making 7 figures, they want to get paid tens of millions and everything is getting pushed toward PPV, even for fights that not many want to watch.

[Baofeng]

Fans hate his boring style though, I agree that he had accomplished a lot, still very young, but he doesn't have the charisma that Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia has. So he will have to understand the business side of boxing that he will not always get what he wanted since he can't bring fans to the arena to watch his fight.

The fact this fight only got one bid, from Sandor Martin’s promoter, shows what his true market value is when he is the A-side fighter. Even the fight with Ryan Garcia struggled to sell tickets. Haney is a talented fighter, but he is not a superstar and shouldn’t be fighting on PPV. A few decades ago he might have been good enough to headline on HBO, but these days fighters aren’t satisfied with just being on TV and making 7 figures, they want to get paid tens of millions and everything is getting pushed toward PPV, even for fights that not many want to watch.

Exactly, he will be humble enough to admit that he is not a PPV star because his dance partner here is obviously a good boxer but doesn't have the draw power as his last opponent, Garcia and Loma.

Let's see if Bob Arum winning this fight will pay off for him. But not sure about it, Haney has been crack already. There's no more that enigma unlike before when he is being compared to Floyd Mayweather. He was beaten by Ryan regardless if Garcia uses PED or what.

[Natalim]

Haney has been crack already. There's no more that enigma unlike before when he is being compared to Floyd Mayweather. He was beaten by Ryan regardless if Garcia uses PED or what.

True, because once a boxer start to loss,  his opponent will gain more confident as he is not the same anymore. And knowing Haney is not a KO artist, it would be easier for his opponent to be more aggressive and try to look on his weak spot to put him in the canvas again. I'd say Ryan had exposed him, so I guess we might consider the possible upset of this match up even if Haney is still expected to be a way heavy favorite to win.

[Kemarit]

Haney has been crack already. There's no more that enigma unlike before when he is being compared to Floyd Mayweather. He was beaten by Ryan regardless if Garcia uses PED or what.

True, because once a boxer start to loss,  his opponent will gain more confident as he is not the same anymore. And knowing Haney is not a KO artist, it would be easier for his opponent to be more aggressive and try to look on his weak spot to put him in the canvas again. I'd say Ryan had exposed him, so I guess we might consider the possible upset of this match up even if Haney is still expected to be a way heavy favorite to win.

Right, just like Wilder in recent memories, in the first fight he is in the brink of getting his first L, unfortunately, he turn the tide with that knockdown on Fury. But in the second fight it was totally different story, Fury dominated him. And after that fight it Wilder is no longer has that mentality to overcome that lost. Now, against Zhang he was knockout again and he could be in his way to retire.

Not saying that Haney will retire, but in his next fight, he will still have that memory and if by chance Sandor Martin put him in trouble, he might have that mental image again and so his going to lose focus. And Sandor is no easy fight, tough chin and just try to put pressure and grind it hard in his every fight.

[robelneo]

Not saying that Haney will retire, but in his next fight, he will still have that memory and if by chance Sandor Martin put him in trouble, he might have that mental image again and so his going to lose focus. And Sandor is no easy fight, tough chin and just try to put pressure and grind it hard in his every fight.

There were reports that Haney preferred to retire until his record is updated to undefeated again. I've been trying to get the news on a reliable source, but all I can see are YouTube and some unpopular sites that have posted this.

I'm not writing Haney off. It was just one fight, and it was a controversial fight, and it is not yet over, but Haney's team should advise him to continue fighting and prove himself even if many think that he has been cracked, retiring is such a bad option, other once undefeated boxers are in a hurry to get back in the ring after their first loss to prove themselves again.

[LogitechMouse]

Not saying that Haney will retire, but in his next fight, he will still have that memory and if by chance Sandor Martin put him in trouble, he might have that mental image again and so his going to lose focus. And Sandor is no easy fight, tough chin and just try to put pressure and grind it hard in his every fight.

There were reports that Haney preferred to retire until his record is updated to undefeated again. I've been trying to get the news on a reliable source, but all I can see are YouTube and some unpopular sites that have posted this.

I'm not writing Haney off. It was just one fight, and it was a controversial fight, and it is not yet over, but Haney's team should advise him to continue fighting and prove himself even if many think that he has been cracked, retiring is such a bad option, other once undefeated boxers are in a hurry to get back in the ring after their first loss to prove themselves again.

Well, I guess Haney's record will return to undefeated again because a few hours ago, the NYSAC ruled the fight as "no contest"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2024/06/20/ryan-garcia-suspended-failed-drug-test-devin-haney-no-contest/74163795007/

Garcia’s victory by majority decision has been changed to a “no contest’’ and the NYSAC fined Garcia $10,000, according to the news release. The NYSAC ruled on the matter because the fight took place in New York.

Aside from that, Garcia has been banned for at least a year because of what happened. Recently, he announced his retirement, but I will not take it seriously after how many times he trolled online. As for Haney, I saw some posts online that he will be staying away from boxing for at least 2 years. I wonder what will happen to him and his title since this fight has been ordered by WBC.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Not saying that Haney will retire, but in his next fight, he will still have that memory and if by chance Sandor Martin put him in trouble, he might have that mental image again and so his going to lose focus. And Sandor is no easy fight, tough chin and just try to put pressure and grind it hard in his every fight.

There were reports that Haney preferred to retire until his record is updated to undefeated again. I've been trying to get the news on a reliable source, but all I can see are YouTube and some unpopular sites that have posted this.

I'm not writing Haney off. It was just one fight, and it was a controversial fight, and it is not yet over, but Haney's team should advise him to continue fighting and prove himself even if many think that he has been cracked, retiring is such a bad option, other once undefeated boxers are in a hurry to get back in the ring after their first loss to prove themselves again.

Just weird though if he decided to retire just because he lost to Ryan Garcia. And if that is the case then I wouldn't consider him great or elite. Although he has been mainly criticized for his fighting style that he called him a boring fighter. But at least if you compare it to Tank Davis, he had accomplished a lot in his young career and become undisputed.

So that is a bad impression on his career, he still very young if this is in his tail end of his career then maybe it's a good gauge to retire like what Manny had when he lost to Ugas. But he is still in his 20's and he can still accomplished more and don't like one fight define his entire career.

[robelneo]

Well, I guess Haney's record will return to undefeated again because a few hours ago, the NYSAC ruled the fight as "no contest"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2024/06/20/ryan-garcia-suspended-failed-drug-test-devin-haney-no-contest/74163795007/

Garcia’s victory by majority decision has been changed to a “no contest’’ and the NYSAC fined Garcia $10,000, according to the news release. The NYSAC ruled on the matter because the fight took place in New York.

Aside from that, Garcia has been banned for at least a year because of what happened. Recently, he announced his retirement, but I will not take it seriously after how many times he trolled online. As for Haney, I saw some posts online that he will be staying away from boxing for at least 2 years. I wonder what will happen to him and his title since this fight has been ordered by WBC.

Too bad for Ryan, the record may have been changed to undefeated and the fight ruled as a no-contest but many people, including me, will still think that Haney was cracked, one of the scenes that looked ugly was when Ryan was holding him, and turning his back and he keeps punching him in the side and Ryan is not even bothered when Tank only took one shot to fold Ryan.
The glass chin and the pillow punch will stay on for many boxing fans' minds and people will doubt his chance against fighters like Tank or Shakur.

[Darker45]

Too bad for Ryan, the record may have been changed to undefeated and the fight ruled as a no-contest but many people, including me, will still think that Haney was cracked, one of the scenes that looked ugly was when Ryan was holding him, and turning his back and he keeps punching him in the side and Ryan is not even bothered when Tank only took one shot to fold Ryan.
The glass chin and the pillow punch will stay on for many boxing fans' minds and people will doubt his chance against fighters like Tank or Shakur.

That also includes me. But that was an unfair fight, of course, and Ryan should suffer for it. But, yeah, glass chin and pillow punch stay with Haney. Whatever his dad proclaims him to be so, Devin is never a big name in boxing. There won't ever be a Devin Haney era.

I'm rooting for Sandor here. Some are saying Sandor is not a KO puncher. That argument doesn't count. When was Haney's last KO? 5 years ago? And Sandor's? But I think this is going to be a battle of points.

[Jating]

Too bad for Ryan, the record may have been changed to undefeated and the fight ruled as a no-contest but many people, including me, will still think that Haney was cracked, one of the scenes that looked ugly was when Ryan was holding him, and turning his back and he keeps punching him in the side and Ryan is not even bothered when Tank only took one shot to fold Ryan.
The glass chin and the pillow punch will stay on for many boxing fans' minds and people will doubt his chance against fighters like Tank or Shakur.

That also includes me. But that was an unfair fight, of course, and Ryan should suffer for it. But, yeah, glass chin and pillow punch stay with Haney. Whatever his dad proclaims him to be so, Devin is never a big name in boxing. There won't ever be a Devin Haney era.

I'm rooting for Sandor here. Some are saying Sandor is not a KO puncher. That argument doesn't count. When was Haney's last KO? 5 years ago? And Sandor's? But I think this is going to be a battle of points.

Yep, we have seen Haney stanky legs against a old Jorge Linares, he didn't went down but very wobbly. If only Linares is in his prime during that fight, Haney might be in trouble. But Ryan here proved that we have been suspected that Haney has glass chin and couldn't take punch and Ryan give him 3 knock outs that he will not forget throughout his career.

It's just too bad that he had been allegedly did take performance enhancing drugs, although it is so minute that I don't think that it really help him here in this fight as we all know that he had the power already to knockout people based on is previous fights. But he should go and follow what has been meted to him, it's not a life time ban so definitely he can go back next year again and if Haney wanted the rematch for bigger money then he should do it. Assuming that he will win against Sandor Martin here.

[robelneo]

Look at it here: Haney is unsatisfied with Ryan's one-year suspension and regaining his undefeated record. He wants Ryan to pay more because his value as a boxer was greatly diminished because of his loss to Ryan. His next title defense can only get him $1.4 million.
Whatever Haney does, people's impression of him will never change; millions have watched how Ryan exposed him, he will never get more than $20, and there will never be a Haney-era unless he knocks out Tank or Garcia. Still, I doubt if he can do that.

Unsatisfied by NYSAC’s Ban, Devin Haney Vows to Sue Ryan Garcia Further for Damages

[Distinctin]

Look at it here: Haney is unsatisfied with Ryan's one-year suspension and regaining his undefeated record. He wants Ryan to pay more because his value as a boxer was greatly diminished because of his loss to Ryan. His next title defense can only get him $1.4 million.
Whatever Haney does, people's impression of him will never change; millions have watched how Ryan exposed him, he will never get more than $20, and there will never be a Haney-era unless he knocks out Tank or Garcia. Still, I doubt if he can do that.

Unsatisfied by NYSAC’s Ban, Devin Haney Vows to Sue Ryan Garcia Further for Damages

Damn, he is pushing it too far; it seems like he still hasn't gotten justice for that fight. Well, maybe his value diminished because people now think he is no longer unbeatable. So, I guess that's what he really cares about: what people say. Haney is not even a PPV attraction, so this is too much. I mean, he is supposed to act like a warrior, not a warrior in a legal battle.

In terms of money, he already has a lot of it. And of course, for Ryan, even if he loses that case again, he can surely pay that amount. But like you said, people will never forget how Ryan beat him.

[Kemarit]

Look at it here: Haney is unsatisfied with Ryan's one-year suspension and regaining his undefeated record. He wants Ryan to pay more because his value as a boxer was greatly diminished because of his loss to Ryan. His next title defense can only get him $1.4 million.
Whatever Haney does, people's impression of him will never change; millions have watched how Ryan exposed him, he will never get more than $20, and there will never be a Haney-era unless he knocks out Tank or Garcia. Still, I doubt if he can do that.

Unsatisfied by NYSAC’s Ban, Devin Haney Vows to Sue Ryan Garcia Further for Damages

And the more he acted this way, the more people see him as somewhat soft and I do agree that many boxing fans saw how Ryan exposed him and there's no way that he can get it back. Now going to Sandor Martin fight, big risk, small reward for him. Martin is a very dangerous fighter, he give Teo one hell of a fight and now he has another crack and for sure he will not take this opportunity again for granted and will look for a upset win.

Haney should really concentrate here, otherwise if he is distracted and his mind is still Ryan Garcia, then he could be exposed by Martin again and will lose his belt. He will nowhere get close to the amount that Ryan gave and that is facts.

[coin-investor]

And the more he acted this way, the more people see him as somewhat soft and I do agree that many boxing fans saw how Ryan exposed him and there's no way that he can get it back.

We can't blame Haney he promotes himself as the next Mayweather or even better than Floyd but the Garcia fight crumbles his dream of being the greatest in this generation, Haney wants Ryan to be banned in boxing for life for what he did because of what happened he is suffering mentally and his worth diminished

Now going to Sandor Martin fight, big risk, small reward for him. Martin is a very dangerous fighter, he give Teo one hell of a fight and now he has another crack and for sure he will not take this opportunity again for granted and will look for a upset win.

I've seen Sandor Martin fights and admired him right away when he beat and retired Mikey Garcia who is a multi-division titlist, and how he almost beat Teofimo Lopez, Sandor will surprise us here he may upset Haney because he knows Haney is still suffering emotionally.

Haney should really concentrate here, otherwise if he is distracted and his mind is still Ryan Garcia, then he could be exposed by Martin again and will lose his belt. He will nowhere get close to the amount that Ryan gave and that is facts.

The worst is for Haney to suffer from a breakdown you don't go from being great to being despised because you are exposed people will watch Haney and look for signs of a breakdown, the fight will be interesting because people want to see how Haney will handle himself.

[coin-investor]

The Haney-Garcia was ruled a no-contest, and Haney is back as an undefeated champion again, but to everybody's surprise, Haney requested DAZN to remove the footage; he also requested YouTube to remove all footage about his losses, which IU doubt DAZN will grant as its one of the big money maker on YouTube with over 13 million views now and growing.
YouTube is unlikely to remove it as it is part of history that the fight happens regardless of what happened after the fight.

Haney is so devastated that he wants people to forget the fight happen but I doubt people will forget it, the fight will hound him for the rest of his boxing career.