Wazamba & 22Bet.com refusing to pay

[shield132]

We just had three weeks full of igaming conferences and you could see everyone mingling with... well, everyone.

Now, I can't say for sure that the platform and operator aren't owned by the same people due to logo similarities, but I know for a fact that sharing booth costs or promoting your providers on that booth is a common practice.

Bet-b2b is based in Cyprus, 1xBet is based in Cyprus, and both of them have headquarters in Limassol. Keep in mind that the creators of 1xBet are Sergey Karshkov, Roman Semiokhin and Dmitry Kazorin, three Russians who are put on the International Wanted List by the government of Russia. Also, keep in mind that they flew to Cyprus to escape.
Is this a coincidence? I don't think so, especially when we know the shady past of 1xBet and if we also consider that too many scam projects use Bet-b2b CMS. Also, as far as I know, 1xBet is the first casino of bet-b2b.

[freedomgo]

I wonder if there is an update to this so I checked casino.guru if OP posted a complaint there and while there is a recently opened case against 22bet.com, I don't think it is the OP as it is mentioned on that complaint that the complainant's account is blocked while the OP on this thread mentioned that he was able to bet and increased his fund to $2.5k, I guess we'll know if the case he posted on casino.guru progressed and more information was given.

And the fact that he doesn't give an update makes it look suspicious. We may not be able to verify if the OP is telling the truth, but bringing this matter here is very important as we are now aware of how these casinos are related to 1xbit, which has a bad reputation in the forum and probably outside as well.

I've checked Casino Guru, but I couldn't find any issues involving 22bet.com. However, I did find one issue against Wazamba.

as you can see here https://casino.guru/wazamba-casino-player-s-withdrawal-has-been-delayed-20

Case summary
27 MINUTES AGO
The player from Switzerland has been waiting for a payout of 772 CHF for 15 days, despite the casino account being verified. The casino hasn't provided concrete responses to queries via their chat and the player feels they're deliberately delaying the payout.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

Bet-b2b is based in Cyprus, 1xBet is based in Cyprus, and both of them have headquarters in Limassol.

I understand your point, but also keep in mind that 90% of the industry is based in Cyprus, Malta and Curacao. It might be a good approach here for those two operations, but it's not a good general approach to judge everyone.

three Russians who are put on the International Wanted List by the government of Russia.

If you would come over to Malta and join me for one of the events I would introduce you to more people who can't set foot in various countries due to them operating a casino without a license in them. Most of the countries aren't that big of a deal, but I know several C-Suit level employees who gambled their luck with Turkey and now can't set foot into the country, not even for connected flights.

One of my previous investors can't set foot into Australia, but he told me "I don't mind, I'll just look at it from my yacht"

Estonia, Lithuania and latvia block all iGaming salaries from Curacao/MGA licensed operations, so if you decide to accept it LTV will block it and you're without funds, regardless of your employment level.

Etc etc.

I'm not defending 1xbet here, I'm just pointing out the industry. If you would comb through Stake's C suit level I guarantee you that all of them can't set foot in all of the countries in the world. Operating black markets (and being legally banned from them) is a thing and comes with the territory.

[AB de Royse777]

Many crypto casinos that have a good reputation in this forum, why play on a less well-known platform?

Not all casinos know about bitcointalk and they prefer to continue with the ad networks. Different players have their own choices. Not everyone are addicted like us on Bitcointalk :-D

Since many dont believe, https://i.imgur.com/Gm8FYrg.png screenshot of wazambas withdrawal and the date, btw. 22Bet.com paid me out the first time i requested a payout, it was around $30, but it was almost instant, that baited me to deposit more and play, and there i can only screenshot balance, since withdrawal history is for past week maybe, and i requested before that and got rejected.

Any chance that the sports provider of both casino are same?

[rodskee]

So long story short, i made some winnings in sports betting in a few casinos, out of them all, only 22Bet.com and Wazamba.com arent allowing me to withdraw (22Bet.com) and "are processing the withdrawal" for over 8 days already.

22Bet.com did tell me i need to bet whole deposit, which i did, after i had $1.300 on that casino, tried to withdraw and got rejected, on live chat was told to email their support, they told me i had multiple accounts and i need to do verification (I dont have multiple accounts, why would i?) i sent ID Card, after 3 days they asked for selfie of me holding my ID card and a screen showing our email conversations, i somehow did that and sent them, in meantime i played two more sportsbet and got to $2.547, now they are asking for 3 last monthly utility bills, which i sent them just now, i highly doubt they will pay out, but lets see.

Wazamba.com, i won $450 there, requested a withdraw and contacted live chat to see the time needed for processing, they told me "We aim to process withdrawal requests in about 3 business days, from the next day that the request was made, or from the day of the last processed withdrawal." its been 8 days since and when i contact live chat again they tell me they need 1-3 business days and payment is still on hold, lets see what happens there also.

Will post screens if needed, just posted this here to raise some awarness, so people avoid those, maybe i get paid out, maybe i wont, but i dont have high hopes, its around $3k.

Not sure where did you find these casino but the problem is that now that you suffer
 from their scammy attitude here you are posting here in this forum ,why did not
come here and choose for the best casino ?anyway best to put this in scam accusation
 thread and provide for all the proof you had against them .

There are people choose to be loyal on the casino they are playing and they don't bother to gather up a new updated information against the casino they are playing since they are comfortable that they would never experience any bad from them. And now since he already experience the worse which a lot of people don't like to experience then maybe he would start to be aware on the reputation of the casino and provably next time he will do some at least little research about the relevance of the casino and its reputation. There are lots of good casino to choose here so I guess he would realize that its better to seek for good casinos here rather than spending some time seeking for a casino which doesn't have any good reputation or at least been known by people  here.

yeah and when the problem occur they will jump into bitcointalk to complain and seek for help  when
those casinos does not even have a representative in this forum and i believe that we cannot offer any
help but just expossure of this casino to prevent from having any victims here in our forum.
maybe OP now learn his lesson and will focus in bitcointalk to find legit and more valuable site to
enjoy his gambling than exploring those who are outside this  popular forum.

[avp2306]

So long story short, i made some winnings in sports betting in a few casinos, out of them all, only 22Bet.com and Wazamba.com arent allowing me to withdraw (22Bet.com) and "are processing the withdrawal" for over 8 days already.

22Bet.com did tell me i need to bet whole deposit, which i did, after i had $1.300 on that casino, tried to withdraw and got rejected, on live chat was told to email their support, they told me i had multiple accounts and i need to do verification (I dont have multiple accounts, why would i?) i sent ID Card, after 3 days they asked for selfie of me holding my ID card and a screen showing our email conversations, i somehow did that and sent them, in meantime i played two more sportsbet and got to $2.547, now they are asking for 3 last monthly utility bills, which i sent them just now, i highly doubt they will pay out, but lets see.

Wazamba.com, i won $450 there, requested a withdraw and contacted live chat to see the time needed for processing, they told me "We aim to process withdrawal requests in about 3 business days, from the next day that the request was made, or from the day of the last processed withdrawal." its been 8 days since and when i contact live chat again they tell me they need 1-3 business days and payment is still on hold, lets see what happens there also.

Will post screens if needed, just posted this here to raise some awarness, so people avoid those, maybe i get paid out, maybe i wont, but i dont have high hopes, its around $3k.

Not sure where did you find these casino but the problem is that now that you suffer
 from their scammy attitude here you are posting here in this forum ,why did not
come here and choose for the best casino ?anyway best to put this in scam accusation
 thread and provide for all the proof you had against them .

There are people choose to be loyal on the casino they are playing and they don't bother to gather up a new updated information against the casino they are playing since they are comfortable that they would never experience any bad from them. And now since he already experience the worse which a lot of people don't like to experience then maybe he would start to be aware on the reputation of the casino and provably next time he will do some at least little research about the relevance of the casino and its reputation. There are lots of good casino to choose here so I guess he would realize that its better to seek for good casinos here rather than spending some time seeking for a casino which doesn't have any good reputation or at least been known by people  here.

yeah and when the problem occur they will jump into bitcointalk to complain and seek for help  when
those casinos does not even have a representative in this forum and i believe that we cannot offer any
help but just expossure of this casino to prevent from having any victims here in our forum.
maybe OP now learn his lesson and will focus in bitcointalk to find legit and more valuable site to
enjoy his gambling than exploring those who are outside this  popular forum.

For sure if they know that the casino doesn't have a thread here for sure they will not post anything against on those casino to possible seek help regarding on what they experience since I'm sure that they know there's nothing to do since people are not familiar with the casino they are using.

But for sure their main  intention is to create awareness regarding on what they experience and introduce the casino so people would know and avoid that. I admire those people doing that since they manage to spend time to warn people and for sure their post can help a lot of people especially that we know bitcointalk have world wide audience and once a lot of people could able to read his warning then for sure that any possible scamming that might happen to user can be prevented since they already read this warnings.

[mak013]

The last chance is to cancel the withdrawal and repeat it. I don`t think that it will help, but i don`t think that there are some reasons, why the OP can`t get his money. And iif the OP has no problems with casinos - why he has chosen such two of them? Or if he has problems with casinos - may be we don`t know something?

Attempting to withdraw again will not work since the OP has an ongoing investigation on his account due to possible multiple account as stated on the OP. Both casino has some reason to hold OP money, either true or not it’s very hard to win against mediocre casino that doesn’t have representative here.

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Probably at the start, he had no problem, but when he started winning, that's when the problem arose. He couldn't cancel his withdrawal because he wanted to enjoy his winnings, but he was required to complete different verification steps until he got tired and maybe just forget about his money. The problem is he didn't start with KYC verification, so a scammy casino can use that against him.

And there's this multi-accounting accusation that is very common for scammy sites. They'll tell you that you are violating this rule, and you can't counter it as they hold the information that supposedly links you to certain accounts. I mean, how can you contest that to prove you are not cheating if they have already made a conclusion?

I understand it. That`s why i`m talking about "last chance". I think here we can`t find the truth. The OP will say that it is honest win, the casino will tell us(if we`ll find their representative) that the OP is cheater.
It is situation when the OP mistaken with the casino choice. Nobody can help him if he telling the truth. The only positive moment is that we have to remember these casinos before register.