Donald Trump convicted 34 counts.

[Liquid_Gas]

I admit to being really surprised by the outcome. I was expecting at least one juror to keep the prosecution from winning.

Trump is now a convicted mass felon.

Should be interesting to see how this now unfolds.

Please realize this thread is for civility and discussion.

[TwitchySeal]

If this trial was truly about a sexual affair,

it wasn't.

it was about him committing fraud to help him win the election.

Cheating on your wife isn't a crime.

Paying a porn star to stay quiet isn't a crime.

Creating a fake company to funnel money to a porn star 2 weeks before a presidential election you're a candidate in because you don't want to follow campaign finance laws is a crime.

[paxmao]

If this trial was truly about a sexual affair,

it wasn't.

it was about him committing fraud to help him win the election.

Cheating on your wife isn't a crime.

Paying a porn star to stay quiet isn't a crime.

Creating a fake company to funnel money to a porn star 2 weeks before a presidential election you're a candidate in because you don't want to follow campaign finance laws is a crime.

And it is unrelated to the witnesses too. The evidence that the jury had to take into account was simply the records of signed checks and transactions from Trump to Cohen and from him to the Adult Films Professional known as "Stormy". Guys, there is a whole thread full of transcripts and views here, so I am not sure we should re-discuss the same topic over and over in different places.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466238.360

Including the best moments 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466238.msg64050931#msg64050931

[BADecker]

If this trial was truly about a sexual affair,

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Creating a fake company to funnel money to a porn star 2 weeks before a presidential election you're a candidate in because you don't want to follow campaign finance laws is a crime.

People all over the place are accepting funds to help them pay their election expenses. There are laws to regulate fairness in how and when they get those funds, and from whom they get them, right? What presidential election was the porn star running in that she received funds illegally from Trump in her campaign?

[paxmao]

If this trial was truly about a sexual affair,

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Creating a fake company to funnel money to a porn star 2 weeks before a presidential election you're a candidate in because you don't want to follow campaign finance laws is a crime.

People all over the place are accepting funds to help them pay their election expenses. There are laws to regulate fairness in how and when they get those funds, and from whom they get them, right? What presidential election was the porn star running in that she received funds illegally from Trump in her campaign?

You must be joking! Trump falsified the record to hide the fact he was paying a Porn Star(ish) 34 times with his campaign funds - a fraud - those are the felonies. It is so basic that I can only thing you are trying to confuse people here. Even the witnesses are largely irrelevant because all the falsified recording are in written for anyone to see, as simple as money coming from here goes to there.

[BADecker]

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People all over the place are accepting funds to help them pay their election expenses. There are laws to regulate fairness in how and when they get those funds, and from whom they get them, right? What presidential election was the porn star running in that she received funds illegally from Trump in her campaign?

You must be joking! Trump falsified the record to hide the fact he was paying a Porn Star(ish) 34 times with his campaign funds - a fraud - those are the felonies. It is so basic that I can only thing you are trying to confuse people here. Even the witnesses are largely irrelevant because all the falsified recording are in written for anyone to see, as simple as money coming from here goes to there.

That's not what TS said. Besides, juries can be bought or tricked. They are not always right.

Trump has always expressed that his payments were not for anything illegal to his knowledge; he simply trusted that the funds were being used for something legal.

However, the real damage is that our privacy is being eroded through this verdict.

[Freeesta]

It seems to me that the European Union does not want Trump to become president. If you look at it, these court cases have been going on for a very long time, and we do not see any results. Perhaps there is not enough evidence, or perhaps the accusations are false.

[o48o]

It seems to me that the European Union does not want Trump to become president. If you look at it, these court cases have been going on for a very long time, and we do not see any results. Perhaps there is not enough evidence, or perhaps the accusations are false.

European Union isn't some kind of monolith that has one sided opinions. I would argue that most of them don't want him, but that's not "European Union" not wanting it.
And what are you talking about accusations? He was already convicted, because of EVIDENCE! By a jury that both sides agreed of being fair.

Why justice was delayed in the first place is a good question. I am thinking they wanted to make sure that there wouldn't be loopholes, and all the evidence would be gathered, and everyone else involved intervieved and sentenced. And then there's the issue that sentencing ex president isn't something anyone takes lightly.

Still, justice was delayed a lot. And there are more court cases to come, but for now, we wait for the sentence. Let's hope it will be delicious.

[TwitchySeal]

If you look at it, these court cases have been going on for a very long time, and we do not see any results. Perhaps there is not enough evidence, or perhaps the accusations are false.

He was just found guilty of 34 felonies.   There's literally mountains of evidence in his other two cases, but he's waived his right to a speedy trial and is doing everything he can to delay any trial until after the election because A) More convictions will hurt his chances of being elected and B) He will have authority over the Dept of Justice if he is elected - so he can just order his AG to throw the cases out/potentially pardon himself.

I'd be interested and surprised if you know of any evidence at all suggesting the European Union has any influence over any of the federal or State criminal prosecutions in the US.

Hey look at that, two future felons.

Actually, Epstein was probably already a felon at that point.

[paxmao]

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People all over the place are accepting funds to help them pay their election expenses. There are laws to regulate fairness in how and when they get those funds, and from whom they get them, right? What presidential election was the porn star running in that she received funds illegally from Trump in her campaign?

You must be joking! Trump falsified the record to hide the fact he was paying a Porn Star(ish) 34 times with his campaign funds - a fraud - those are the felonies. It is so basic that I can only thing you are trying to confuse people here. Even the witnesses are largely irrelevant because all the falsified recording are in written for anyone to see, as simple as money coming from here goes to there.

That's not what TS said. Besides, juries can be bought or tricked. They are not always right.

Trump has always expressed that his payments were not for anything illegal to his knowledge; he simply trusted that the funds were being used for something legal.

However, the real damage is that our privacy is being eroded through this verdict.

No, he was using campaign funds, which require precise tracking and accounting - Trump perfectly knows this, but even if he does not, the law applies equally (not knowing a law is not a defence - I mean not any country in the world). In the same way, Trump is responsible for the correct use of the funds like the CEO of any company is responsible for controlling the last dime of their company.

It is not a question of a jury being wrong, it is a question of all the evidence being in written records for absolutely anyone to see.

Your privacy is eroded? Are you running a campaign while whoring around, paying for silence and falsifying records?

[C10H15N]

This was an incredibly flawed case that never should have been tried.  It will be overturned on appeal.

The only reason it was pursued was to try and eliminate a political rival.  That will need to be addressed.   

[BADecker]

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People all over the place are accepting funds to help them pay their election expenses. There are laws to regulate fairness in how and when they get those funds, and from whom they get them, right? What presidential election was the porn star running in that she received funds illegally from Trump in her campaign?

You must be joking! Trump falsified the record to hide the fact he was paying a Porn Star(ish) 34 times with his campaign funds - a fraud - those are the felonies. It is so basic that I can only thing you are trying to confuse people here. Even the witnesses are largely irrelevant because all the falsified recording are in written for anyone to see, as simple as money coming from here goes to there.

That's not what TS said. Besides, juries can be bought or tricked. They are not always right.

Trump has always expressed that his payments were not for anything illegal to his knowledge; he simply trusted that the funds were being used for something legal.

However, the real damage is that our privacy is being eroded through this verdict.

No, he was using campaign funds, which require precise tracking and accounting - Trump perfectly knows this, but even if he does not, the law applies equally (not knowing a law is not a defence - I mean not any country in the world). In the same way, Trump is responsible for the correct use of the funds like the CEO of any company is responsible for controlling the last dime of their company.

It is not a question of a jury being wrong, it is a question of all the evidence being in written records for absolutely anyone to see.

Your privacy is eroded? Are you running a campaign while whoring around, paying for silence and falsifying records?

How do you know the things that you seem to know? One reason. The court acted against the right to privacy as expressed by the 4th Amendment courts adjudication. This means that the whole case should have been dropped immediately when Daniels was introduced into it, or it should have been changed to not hear any of the Daniel's arguments at all. Privacy.

Hush money? Had to do with Daniels. Privacy.

This whole case needs to be declared a mistrial because of Privacy issues between Trump and Daniels. All issues that were brought because of Daniels must be brought without having any connection to Daniels at all. If Trump is guilty of crimes, they must be found without any Daniels connection interference. 4th Amendment privacy overrules lesser law.





Former President Donald Trump shares his agenda during an exclusive sit-down interview with "Fox & Friends."


Trump: 'My revenge will be success' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I12BrDyu1n0.

[TwitchySeal]

How do you know the things that you seem to know? One reason. The court acted against the right to privacy as expressed by the 4th Amendment courts adjudication. This means that the whole case should have been dropped immediately when Daniels was introduced into it, or it should have been changed to not hear any of the Daniel's arguments at all. Privacy.

Hush money? Had to do with Daniels. Privacy.

This whole case needs to be declared a mistrial because of Privacy issues between Trump and Daniels. All issues that were brought because of Daniels must be brought without having any connection to Daniels at all. If Trump is guilty of crimes, they must be found without any Daniels connection interference. 4th Amendment privacy overrules lesser law.





Former President Donald Trump shares his agenda during an exclusive sit-down interview with "Fox & Friends."


Trump: 'My revenge will be success' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I12BrDyu1n0.

If Trump doesn't argue that the whole thing is made up, then the porn star doesn't have to describe what it was like to be looking at the ceiling with Trump on top of her with his small mushroom shaped condomless penis inside of her.  None of those details were relevant until opening statements when Trumps team claimed she was lying.  Once that claim is made, the prosecutors get to have her explain what happened and a let the jury decide if she's credible or not.

No, he was using campaign funds, which require precise tracking and accounting - Trump perfectly knows this, but even if he does not, the law applies equally (not knowing a law is not a defence - I mean not any country in the world). In the same way, Trump is responsible for the correct use of the funds like the CEO of any company is responsible for controlling the last dime of their company.

He should've used campaign funds.  Then it would've been fine.  Problem is he used his personal funds to help his campaign because he didn't want to follow campaign finance laws. Then he committed fraud to hide it, because he knew what he did was illegal, by funneling the money through Michael Cohen and a Fake Company.  

[paxmao]

How do you know the things that you seem to know? One reason. The court acted against the right to privacy as expressed by the 4th Amendment courts adjudication. This means that the whole case should have been dropped immediately when Daniels was introduced into it, or it should have been changed to not hear any of the Daniel's arguments at all. Privacy.

Hush money? Had to do with Daniels. Privacy.

This whole case needs to be declared a mistrial because of Privacy issues between Trump and Daniels. All issues that were brought because of Daniels must be brought without having any connection to Daniels at all. If Trump is guilty of crimes, they must be found without any Daniels connection interference. 4th Amendment privacy overrules lesser law.





Former President Donald Trump shares his agenda during an exclusive sit-down interview with "Fox & Friends."


Trump: 'My revenge will be success' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I12BrDyu1n0.

If Trump doesn't argue that the whole thing is made up, then the porn star doesn't have to describe what it was like to be looking at the ceiling with Trump on top of her with his small mushroom shaped condomless penis inside of her.  None of those details were relevant until opening statements when Trumps team claimed she was lying.  Once that claim is made, the prosecutors get to have her explain what happened and a let the jury decide if she's credible or not.

No, he was using campaign funds, which require precise tracking and accounting - Trump perfectly knows this, but even if he does not, the law applies equally (not knowing a law is not a defence - I mean not any country in the world). In the same way, Trump is responsible for the correct use of the funds like the CEO of any company is responsible for controlling the last dime of their company.

He should've used campaign funds.  Then it would've been fine.  Problem is he used his personal funds to help his campaign because he didn't want to follow campaign finance laws. Then he committed fraud to hide it, because he knew what he did was illegal, by funneling the money through Michael Cohen and a Fake Company.  

Right, in the sense that it was an unrecorded/declared illegal "donation".

[BADecker]

Trump just keeps on getting stronger and stronger and stronger. The more they try to destroy him, the stronger he gets. The whole world is backing Trump. Write him in if your State doesn't have him on the ballot.

Will the US break apart? Lots of people in America want to secede - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=percent+of+people+in+favor+of+secession&iax=images&ia=images. But they might wait for a while if Trump gets back in.


The World Rallies To President Trump's Defense In Aftermath Of Kangaroo Court Verdict


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/world-rallies-president-trumps-defense-aftermath-kangaroo-court/
While Biden was expecting the American people to at long last turn on President Trump, in fact the opposite occurred: they rallied to his side, at a rate previously unseen in modern presidential history.  President Trump's fundraising haul since last week's conviction has been historic: he has hauled in hundreds of millions of dollars of cash.

In May, President Trump's campaign posted its highest figure ever – $141 million – far outpacing Joe Biden, who has been struggling mightily to prevent the bloodletting of voters across every demographic group to President Trump's corner.

Indeed, on the same day the 45th President held his press conference at Trump Tower to denounce the Biden-Bragg show verdict as but the latest attempt in the Left's never-ending saga to derail MAGA and rig another presidential election, new polling came out showing the 45th President with a 6-point nationwide advantage over Biden, and leading in all six key battleground states this cycle: Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Nevada.

While Biden's problems are bad on the domestic front, they get arguably worse overseas.  The international order has descended into chaos under Biden's stewardship.

Western countries have been ravaged by strife and warfare in Eastern Europe and the Middle East to levels not seen since World War II.  Meanwhile, autocratic regimes like China, Iran, and Russia have been empowered, relative to the United States and Europe, which have been brought to near financial and cultural ruin by the suicidal policies of the Biden government.
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[TwitchySeal]

Trump just keeps on getting stronger and stronger and stronger. The more they try to destroy him, the stronger he gets.

Oh yes, look at the wild swings in the polls:


Do you think he's considering changing strategies in his other criminal trials?  If he were to stop delaying today, he'd probably be able to be found guilty by at least 2 more juries before the election, possibly 3!

[C10H15N]

My concern is the damage these bogus politically motivated lawsuits have inflicted upon our judicial system.  The Republic may not recover from this level of corruption.   

[AVE5]

It has been reported that the case involving Donald Trump won't be resolved until after Election Day. Despite this, I still see hope among people who want to support him in the upcoming election, and I want to understand why. The country hasn't improved since he left, and it continues to be run by capitalists. Everything happening makes the country look like the third world country

While also maintaining the civility as the Op has said, I don't think the regime after Trumps has been capable to withstand the economical and civil pressures on the circumstances to create new values that's to make a better difference.
All the convictions on Trump might end up being an illusion but propagandas structuring to impose fear on Trump's delegates so that their efforts of voting for him doesn't be a waste after his conviction judgement.
But politically we still can't underrate what's seems impossible because his conviction could be arraign after his may emerge the winner and then get sentenced or judged according to the so political law demands.

[vapourminer]

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TLDR version (that makes sense) please?

[TwitchySeal]

My concern is the damage these bogus politically motivated lawsuits have inflicted upon our judicial system.  The Republic may not recover from this level of corruption.  

Fun fact.

While Trump was president the DOJ prosecuted someone for their involvement in illegal campaign contributions in the form of hush money payments to a porn star right before an election.

That someone was Trumps lawyer.  And he served prison time for it.

Trump was referred to as "unindicted co-conspirator #1" in the the indictment.

Maybe the person to blame for all of this is....Trump?  You know, the guy who's been found guilty and keeps ranting about how he did nothing wrong even though he obviously broke the law to help himself win the 2020 election and then committed fraud every month for the next year (breaking more laws) to cover it up.

Imagine the damage to our judicial system if they just let someone get away with something like that who has shown no remorse and then gone on to commit more crimes to overturn the results of the next election, and then even more crimes after he left office.

Could you imagine the outrage if Hillary or Biden did that?