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[Sandra_hakeem]

With all this talk of trying to prevent IA in the forum, how will it be prevented when it is indistinguishable from human writing?

If everyone had the same foresight as the smart minds among us do, they'd see this coming already before now...
If my memories serves me right, then I'd say I made a comment on the wild escalation and adaptation of AIs in a little time to come. Before the time, their existence was marked by a certain group of lazy minds that'd barely read a love novel, talk more of studying about "creative thinking"
Look what we've got today... A great way to double up the effort and stress any regular AI detector passes through.

Edit:

Why it's in Meta?

Ofcourse, it doesn't fit anywhere else my friend.

Hopefully someday this new problem created by AI will be resolved.

Sadly, there are no resolutions to this.

[FatFork]

We will have to accept the inevitable, one day it will not be stopped that is the direction technology is taking us. Eventually AI will be utilised to a level (or standard) where detection will be extremely difficult or near impossible. Even those AI posts that will end up getting flagged will have their authors contesting them protesting innocence.

Well, that means the only thing left for us is to continue detecting and reporting shitposting. As long as the forum keeps those rules in place and the mods are on the ball with reported stuff, we can definitely put up a good fight against AI-generated junk.  Speaking of which, it might be a good idea for mods to use sig-ban and temp-ban penalties more often for repeat offenders.

[Mia Chloe]

Well, that means the only thing left for us is to continue detecting and reporting shitposting. As long as the forum keeps those rules in place and the mods are on the ball with reported stuff, we can definitely put up a good fight against AI-generated junk.  Speaking of which, it might be a good idea for mods to use sig-ban and temp-ban penalties more often for repeat offenders.

Funny how I still don't see how difficult it is to discuss with people on the forum without some AI helping you out. As far as I'm concerned a great percentage of topics on this forum are just discussion and I still don't see why someone will need an AI to do something as simple as discussions.
Infact shit posters are very easy to identify that is part of the reason why they keep their posts in mega threads because they obviously can't engage in serious discussions. Take a board like technical discussion for example, when a user has an issue and makes a post about it there, it requires someone with some level and understanding to suggest possible solutions. However if a spammer uses an AI in such a case, they Will obviously spot it that the poster copied it and has no idea what he is saying.

[Mrbluntzy]

This is WOW. Recently I saw that AI has been integrated to WhatsApp and Facebook and later it might extend to other social media. Since this forum is not a social media, AI content should not be allowed here. What people are looking for on this forum is original idea of real human and not mimicked idea of AI.

[Maus0728]

Some AI detector tools are already robust and sophisticated enough to detect text content written or humanized by AI, while others are not. As you can see from the small test I ran, the humanizerAI doesn't work.

It's going to be a never ending race because when AI detection improves, AI humanizing softwares would definitely be improving, unless something is done by the authorities regarding humanizing AIs to preserve integrity of stuff that might be affected by AI then it's going to be an arms race of some kind. Maybe for now, it might not work but things are getting more and more advanced right now and I'm sure that the developer of these AIs will be trying to improve on it. Hopefully, AI detection will stand triumphant.

[NotATether]

AI humanizers are getting more common, but luckily, they do not look like ChatGPT spam. We may just need new heuristics—perhaps on things like text length—to recognize ChatGPT-based posts. How about other ways of doing it?

In case you couldn't figure it out - this is a humanized paragraph. I don't think any AI tools can detect this given that it's so short (you can try if you want) [Original]. The future is not so bright. I'll be happy to share more details about how I humanized it though.

*I am of the opinion that AI posts should not be eligible for campaign payment though, humanized or not.

[Amphenomenon]

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Infact shit posters are very easy to identify that is part of the reason why they keep their posts in mega threads because they obviously can't engage in serious discussions. Take a board like technical discussion for example, when a user has an issue and makes a post about it there, it requires someone with some level and understanding to suggest possible solutions. However if a spammer uses an AI in such a case, they Will obviously spot it that the poster copied it and has no idea what he is saying.

Ai are so much poor technically especially when it relate to Bitcoin and maths, which is already gives a red flag and with the more trouble also that follows from the fact that it`s generated by an Ai obviously, so shitposters will rather move to a more free space like altcoin discussion, politics & society and gambling board since members usually gives little attention to this board though sometimes the Bitcoin Discussion is also included.

*I am of the opinion that AI posts should not be eligible for campaign payment though, humanized or not.

Humanized is still an AI and Definitely those using it will not be consider for payment except they were not caught I guess that`s when they actually escape it because I don`t think any CM support it especially when it`s against forum rule. Though I guessed bounty managers usually don`t consider this and that`s why most of these shitposters even with negative tags will still continue with Ai until possibly are banned.

[Mia Chloe]

Ai are so much poor technically especially when it relate to Bitcoin and maths, which is already gives a red flag and with the more trouble also that follows from the fact that it`s generated by an Ai obviously, so shitposters will rather move to a more free space like altcoin discussion, politics & society and gambling board since members usually gives little attention to this board though sometimes the Bitcoin Discussion is also included.

Yes of course AI are better at things like list or writing on a topic or something however I haven't come across one that's very good at things like solving math problems or analysis that requires reasoning and proper computation. Most AIs rely on some sort of data bank from their host where they produce their replies from and for mathematical based questions or problems they may not have an exact answer in their data bank to fit the question asked and in the process of trying to morph it the AI may end up making some errors.

Relying on AI to make post is not a proper practice as the user just ends up copying and pasting the AI's reply  without learning any thing from it .

[nutildah]

Even though you're giving spammers a massive hint, I doubt they'll actually even read this topic, and therefore appreciate your choice in title.

Spammers shitpost AI because they are lazy. Most of them will be too lazy to run their text through a program like this, or even put effort into discovering it. Some of them are motivated just enough to manually make their texts a bit more shitty so its not totally obvious they are from ChatGPT. Although for native English speakers, its still fairly obvious what's going on if you're paying attention.

Ultimately, AI-generated posts are still deleted as spam, so if it still looks like spam (according to the mods), that's all that really matters when reporting posts.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Alright, someone please tell me how this would work:  we've got a lazy, shit-smelling, dirty barefoot dirtbag who wants to steal a spot in a signature campaign from someone who can really write--and this flea fart comes across a thread in Bitcoin Discussion something along the lines of, say, "Bitcoin vs. Gold??".  Said fuck fart flea bag then does what exactly with an AI program?  Does he just input the title of the thread and hope to his local god the program spits out something that nobody here will notice did not originate fully from a human brain?

Seriously, I'm ne plus ignoranti of the mechanics of this chicanery, and is it really going to be that easy for all of the real scumbags we have on the forum to finally clear the language barrier by a huge margin?  

If so, the end has begun for our fine forum, fellas.

Most of them will be too lazy to run their text through a program like this, or even put effort into discovering it.

So I guess my question boils down to "what text are they running through an AI program?".  Would that be the shitpost in horrible English that they would normally post?  If we start getting members changing their posting style massively, it should be obvious what's going on.  But I fear the worst.

I still don't see why someone will need an AI to do something as simple as discussions.

$$$$

[nutildah]

Alright, someone please tell me how this would work:  we've got a lazy, shit-smelling, dirty barefoot dirtbag who wants to steal a spot in a signature campaign from someone who can really write--and this flea fart comes across a thread in Bitcoin Discussion something along the lines of, say, "Bitcoin vs. Gold??".  Said fuck fart flea bag then does what exactly with an AI program?  Does he just input the title of the thread and hope to his local god the program spits out something that nobody here will notice did not originate fully from a human brain?
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So I guess my question boils down to "what text are they running through an AI program?".

I imagine its as easy as this:



Then here is the result:

When someone wants to use an AI program to generate content for a forum thread like "Bitcoin vs. Gold," here's how it generally works:

Input Prompt: The person provides the AI with a prompt or a series of prompts related to the topic. In this case, it could be something as simple as "Discuss the advantages and disadvantages of Bitcoin compared to gold as an investment."

AI Generation: The AI processes the prompt and generates text based on its training data. This output can range from a short paragraph to several pages, depending on what the user needs.

Editing and Refinement: Often, the initial output from the AI might need some tweaking. The user can edit the text to make it more relevant, coherent, or to match their own writing style.

Posting: Once the content is satisfactory, the user posts it to the forum, hoping it adds value to the discussion and meets the forum's standards.

As for your question about what text they're running through an AI program: typically, it's either the title of the thread, a specific question within the thread, or a broader topic related to the discussion. The AI doesn't just randomly generate text; it's directed by the input it receives.

In a nutshell, the process involves providing a topic or prompt to the AI, refining the AI's output, and then using that output to participate in discussions. The quality of the AI-generated content depends heavily on the input prompt and how well the user curates the AI's output.

Copyleaks: AI Content Detected
Hive AI Detector: 100% likely to be AI-Generated
Sapling.ai: 100% Fake

If we start getting members changing their posting style massively, it should be obvious what's going on.

Also a solid way to expose said dirtbags.

[NotATether]

Spammers shitpost AI because they are lazy. Most of them will be too lazy to run their text through a program like this, or even put effort into discovering it. Some of them are motivated just enough to manually make their texts a bit more shitty so its not totally obvious they are from ChatGPT. Although for native English speakers, its still fairly obvious what's going on if you're paying attention.

This is why, even if they "humanize" AI-generated output, it's still not going to convincingly look like a human wrote it because they just copy the entire response with the boilerplate introductions and endings and lists and all that, and the AI prints it with a certain character length, all sorts of fancy characters like bullet points (maybe the spammers are hard-working enough to fix those), smart quotes and fancy dashes.

And you can use these heuristics to catch even sophisticated humanized text. For example, look at my post above. It has em dashes in it. Even though I heavily make use of dashes in my posts, I never use em dashes. Ever. So just like that, you can tell with good confidence whether something was generated with an AI, or at least with this particular hint, a stock Apple device (as they format characters by default).

Spammers are too lazy to refine their output to look convincing as their ultimate goal is to make 200 posts a week across many accounts, so they are not usually going to apply any of these techniques to save time.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

When the case of members using AI to create post on this forum started to become popular, one member once said that "in time to come, AI can be modified to even create content that cannot be detected as AI-generated." I am not surprised at all to see this humernized AI, but whatever the case may be, I know that some members will still get caught using the AI to write comments just to earn money from the campaign they are participating in. When there are problems like this, solutions should also be sought, and what I suggest is that the moderators or the admin should come up with an official rule to ban or give a signature ban to any user that is caught using AI to create posts and let a thread be created for the list of victims and be pinged on the meta board. I believe that such an approach will instill fear in any member that wants to use AI. 

[junmisakiro]

AI to detect AI to humanize by AI. The AI show lol.

That's right, just imagine an AI that is designed to detect other AIs, who pretend to be humans and they play each other like a show, which shows them pitting their intelligence against each other. Maybe those of us who watched just sat and enjoyed their show while smiling and laughing.

[Poker Player]

AI to detect AI to humanize by AI. The AI show lol.

I use AI every day and in many cases the answers it gives are human. Here's an example. The other day I was dressed casually and went to buy a complete suit, with shirt and tie. When I was trying it on, it occurred to me to take a picture and upload it to the AI, and, without me asking it anything, it told me that the suit fit me very well, that the color matched my shirt and tie but that if it was for a formal occasion I should wear shoes instead of snickers, which is what I was wearing at the time (shoes were the only thing I wasn't going to buy because I have several good pairs at home).

BTW, read this article lol about people who used to lol a lot too:

20 genius inventions that were ridiculed, now everyday products

The “humanizer” thing made me laugh and I am not going to go into detail with the comments because I simply left you with the subject in case you are interested.

One thing is clear to me: the decade ahead of us is going to be the decade of AI, and the big money is going to be in it. Outside this forum, of course.

[Vod]

AI to detect AI to humanize by AI. The AI show lol.

That's right, just imagine an AI that is designed to detect other AIs, who pretend to be humans and they play each other like a show, which shows them pitting their intelligence against each other. Maybe those of us who watched just sat and enjoyed their show while smiling and laughing.

But it's not just a show - each AI is learning from the conversation.   Different coders will create different AI models, even using the same training data.  It will be very interesting when we place two or more of our best AI systems together in a written* conversation and see which one contradicts itself first.

* We must forbid the AI systems from communicating in other ways, since we could not understand their evolving language.  

Earlier in 2017  , Google revealed that the AI it uses for its Translate tool had created its own language, which it would translate things into and then out of. But the company was happy with that development and allowed it to continue.

[Pmalek]

Anyone looking for a better way to cheat with AI content can now try this new tool. Thanks Poker Player!
Just kidding.

They are just marketing it as not being detected as AI written, but with enough input, the content will start looking predictable and AI detectors will have an easier task to recognize it as such. We can already see that some of them aren't tricked by this AI wearing a human mask. Marketing gibberish.

@theymos
Perhaps it's time you took a stance on AI written content and come up with a rule against it. Imagine you are banning mixers if it's easier.

[tread93]

With all this talk of trying to prevent IA in the forum, how will it be prevented when it is indistinguishable from human writing?

Wow, this is actually pretty hilarious. From human to AI , and AI to AI to make the final output sound more human like lol. Isn’t that a trip. This day and age we live in man. I’m just holding out for the day the humanoid AI robots come and they can make a robot clone of me that can come in and do my job so I can go golfing every day. I predict this shall happen in my lifetime, hopefully I get rich tho and won’t need to lmao

[Vod]

Wow, this is actually pretty hilarious. From human to AI , and AI to AI to make the final output sound more human like lol. Isn’t that a trip. This day and age we live in man.

I bet these guys open another company that can detect this tool.  Then they raise the price on this tool once they claim to improve it so it can't be detected.   Then they raise the price on their other tool once they can detect the improved version.   And so on... 

[dkbit98]

With all this talk of trying to prevent IA in the forum, how will it be prevented when it is indistinguishable from human writing?

Services like this are not cheap at all, so cheaters would have to pay for each created post, and I don't believe their claims about 100% not being able to be detected for plagiarism.
It is not that hard to identify when someone is constantly using help of AI tools for generating posts every day, and need to use only one tool for detecting that - our brain.
If enough members report suspicious posts that would be enough in my opinion, so we need more active reporters  in forum.