UEFA Champions League 2024/25 Season

[Obari]

In fact, right now you can hope that PSG can beat City, right when they make so many mistakes, but they are still a very strong team and you can't rule out that in this match it could happen that City win, because the difference between these teams in the Champions League is only one point, and City can't afford to lose, because if they can't get to the playoffs it could lead to Guardiola being sacked. Or maybe City are losing for a reason, I don't know, it's hard for me to understand what's going on.

What brings about defeats and winnings? The club's level is either stable or unstable, creating impacts for greatness. Nobody is sacking Pep Guardiola because he's the main reason behing the developing progress of the Citizens, won them memorable trophies. However at the moment, he's vulnerable, he's always finding means to sort out his problems with the club but when it comes to crucial games, he wouldn't jeopardize his chances. Manchester City will bounce back to epic form, just give them time to pass through this current downtime, because it's only a phase. Paris Saint-Germain vs Manchester City in the UEFA Champions League. What are your expectations? Perhaps we shouldn't commence any solid stats of Manchester City losing because who knows, by then Pep Guardiola will arrange his squad.

[shinratensei_]

This is why I say that undermining PSG may be a great mistake some persons may be making because they are out for it this season and are hoping to break the champions League history of them not winning it for all this years. I know so far they have not gotten to a top level on the table as their fellow teams from the ligue one, Lillie and brest are yet to face top team as PSG has and soon they may not survive the knockout but if they get pass this stage congrats to them as they have done well already.

PSG is still a strong team that should not be underestimated. It's just quite natural that many people feel pessimistic about PSG this season in the UCL. Let's just look at PSG's current point tally which is quite worrying. PSG is even outside the Play-off zone. And the remaining two matches, one of which will really be quite tough for PSG. Because the opponent they face is Man City. Although Man City is also in not very good condition. But still, Man City is Man City, they are still a team to be feared because of their strength in the last few seasons. I'm not sure PSG will be able to get full points from the next match against Man city unless PSG will maybe get full points in the 8th match. But it would be very surprising if PSG couldn't even qualify for the play-offs.

PSG is a strong team only when they played on the farmer league. They're totally a different team when they play in UCL.

Either of City or PSG are in a critical situation. They're all potentially out of play off zone if they get no result in the upcoming game.

Talking about the game, it's pretty obvious City is my choice. They played in a difficult league, have better squad, mentality, but they're not in a good condition. It gives PSG advantage to steal points, and away game is City's biggest problem. They got embarrassing results against Juventus, and the game against PSG is a must win game for City.

[imamusma]

PSG is a strong team only when they played on the farmer league. They're totally a different team when they play in UCL.

Either of City or PSG are in a critical situation. They're all potentially out of play off zone if they get no result in the upcoming game.

Talking about the game, it's pretty obvious City is my choice. They played in a difficult league, have better squad, mentality, but they're not in a good condition. It gives PSG advantage to steal points, and away game is City's biggest problem. They got embarrassing results against Juventus, and the game against PSG is a must win game for City.

The PSG versus Manchester City match is basically difficult to predict, and we realize this is a match that will determine the journey of each team in the future. Both teams will certainly refuse to play a draw, even though it is very possible. Manchester City, even though they are experiencing their worst period, still looks slightly more favored than PSG. If the match really ends in a draw, then it will provide an advantage for other contestants to finish in the Play-off zone. Pep Guardiola and Luis Enrique are now under great pressure, they must prepare their team as best as possible.

[Ndabagi01]

In fact, right now you can hope that PSG can beat City, right when they make so many mistakes, but they are still a very strong team and you can't rule out that in this match it could happen that City win, because the difference between these teams in the Champions League is only one point, and City can't afford to lose, because if they can't get to the playoffs it could lead to Guardiola being sacked. Or maybe City are losing for a reason, I don't know, it's hard for me to understand what's going on.

What brings about defeats and winnings? The club's level is either stable or unstable, creating impacts for greatness. Nobody is sacking Pep Guardiola because he's the main reason behing the developing progress of the Citizens, won them memorable trophies. However at the moment, he's vulnerable, he's always finding means to sort out his problems with the club but when it comes to crucial games, he wouldn't jeopardize his chances. Manchester City will bounce back to epic form, just give them time to pass through this current downtime, because it's only a phase. Paris Saint-Germain vs Manchester City in the UEFA Champions League. What are your expectations? Perhaps we shouldn't commence any solid stats of Manchester City losing because who knows, by then Pep Guardiola will arrange his squad.

It will be great if he’s able to arrange the squad and make them a more formidable team in this match. He has come a long way to prove to all that he’s the best coach in the premier league and also in Europe. We know that a team always has their own downtime where they perform poorly but in this case, they need to do better because it’s taking too much time and they may not be able to continue like this and win a trophy with this form.

I am also not expecting too much from both teams because they are not in their best time in the champions league games. They need to play better if they want to win the match. PSG will be looking yo take advantage of Manchester City’s poor form to get a win in this match likewise, Manchester City will also be looking for a way to get their form back on this match and prevail against PSG. Either ways, anything can happen and I’m not expecting much from them both.

[hahay]

PSG is a strong team only when they played on the farmer league. They're totally a different team when they play in UCL.

Either of City or PSG are in a critical situation. They're all potentially out of play off zone if they get no result in the upcoming game.

Talking about the game, it's pretty obvious City is my choice. They played in a difficult league, have better squad, mentality, but they're not in a good condition. It gives PSG advantage to steal points, and away game is City's biggest problem. They got embarrassing results against Juventus, and the game against PSG is a must win game for City.

The PSG versus Manchester City match is basically difficult to predict, and we realize this is a match that will determine the journey of each team in the future. Both teams will certainly refuse to play a draw, even though it is very possible. Manchester City, even though they are experiencing their worst period, still looks slightly more favored than PSG. If the match really ends in a draw, then it will provide an advantage for other contestants to finish in the Play-off zone. Pep Guardiola and Luis Enrique are now under great pressure, they must prepare their team as best as possible.

Basically, Manchester City still have a chance to win, even though currently Manchester City are completely destroyed in the performance and results they get in the Premier League and also in the Champion League. But even so, I personally feel that Manchester City still have a chance to win despite playing away. But indeed, at the same time also that PSG is still in its best form in Ligue 1 and although still bad in the Champion League. But anyway, considering Manchester City's bad trend, then of course PSG will really maximize this moment to be able to beat Manchester City at Parc des Princes. Because of course, this will be a very good moment for PSG to get back into the top 24 by beating and overtaking Manchester City.

[CryptoBuds]

PSG is a strong team only when they played on the farmer league. They're totally a different team when they play in UCL.

Either of City or PSG are in a critical situation. They're all potentially out of play off zone if they get no result in the upcoming game.

Talking about the game, it's pretty obvious City is my choice. They played in a difficult league, have better squad, mentality, but they're not in a good condition. It gives PSG advantage to steal points, and away game is City's biggest problem. They got embarrassing results against Juventus, and the game against PSG is a must win game for City.

The PSG versus Manchester City match is basically difficult to predict, and we realize this is a match that will determine the journey of each team in the future. Both teams will certainly refuse to play a draw, even though it is very possible. Manchester City, even though they are experiencing their worst period, still looks slightly more favored than PSG. If the match really ends in a draw, then it will provide an advantage for other contestants to finish in the Play-off zone. Pep Guardiola and Luis Enrique are now under great pressure, they must prepare their team as best as possible.

Basically, Manchester City still have a chance to win, even though currently Manchester City are completely destroyed in the performance and results they get in the Premier League and also in the Champion League. But even so, I personally feel that Manchester City still have a chance to win despite playing away. But indeed, at the same time also that PSG is still in its best form in Ligue 1 and although still bad in the Champion League. But anyway, considering Manchester City's bad trend, then of course PSG will really maximize this moment to be able to beat Manchester City at Parc des Princes. Because of course, this will be a very good moment for PSG to get back into the top 24 by beating and overtaking Manchester City.

I have seen Manchester City's performance in the last few matches. The players of this team are not confident at all now. Guardiola has failed to find Manchester City's weaknesses. There is a lack of coordination among the players. Why Manchester City's performance, which was at the peak of form, suddenly fell like this is a mystery.

I saw Manchester City's performance against Manchester United yesterday. City was leading 1-0 until the 88th minute of the match. But even then Manchester City lost 2-1. Manchester City conceded two goals in the last minute. In such a situation, winning against PSG is a big challenge for City. I cannot consider Manchester City as a favorite in this match. The match will be drawn or we will see PSG win.

[Ayers]

A difficult match for both of them where their position is not favorable, PSG has entered in a position not worthy of play offs because it is in 25th position in the standings from two wins one draw and 3 defeats to get 7 points, and so with Man City who has 8 points from two wins two draws and two defeats, the position of both is very dangerous and met in the 7th match.

If Man City still loses then PSG can be saved from the current position, but if PSG loses it is certainly very optimistic for Man City to continue their journey in the champions league, but if both draw it will be even more difficult for both.

It is difficult to choose a favorite team in this match. Both PSG and Manchester City are strong teams. Both coaches Luis Enrique and Guardiola are very experienced. But the problem is that both teams are off form now. Although PSG is able to perform well in Ligue 1 matches. But the team is not able to do well in the Champions League. But Manchester City's performance is weak in both the Premier League and Champions League. Manchester City is in fifth place in the Premier League points table. This Champions League match is very important for both. Both teams need to win this match to qualify for the playoffs. So both City and PSG will fight hard to get full points.

[Fuso.hp]

This season is an unfavorable season for City and I don't think that they'll get any trophy if they don't wake up from their slumber. I am also waiting to see their performance in this evening derby match  against United. The bookies made them the favorite, and I hope they don't disappoint their fans and gamblers betting on them.

From the 2020/21 season that Manchester City reached the UEFA Champions League final that they narrowly lost to Chelsea to 2021/22 that they were eliminated by Real Real Madrid in the semi finals and to 2022/23 they finally won the European Cup for the first time in the history of the club and finally last season they were ousted by Real Madrid in the quarter finals, never had Manchester City been as poor as they've been this season.
I have no doubt that they'll make it out of the group stages of the competition but I don't think Pep Guardiola's men are a strong contender for the European title this season.

Manchester City secured the next round by defeating Real Madrid in the same season that Manchester City won the Champions League trophy. Similarly, in the last Champions League tournament, Real Madrid won the Champions League trophy by defeating Manchester City at the same stage. That is, all in all, I can say that Manchester City has performed well in the last few Champions League tournaments, but it is clear from their performance that this season will not be as good as the previous seasons. A few days ago many doubted the performance of Real Madrid and many said that Real Madrid would not be able to qualify for the next round but in the important match Real Madrid came back. Now the only worry is Manchester City because if they don't do well then they might not make it to the next round.

[AprilioMP]

I saw Manchester City's performance against Manchester United yesterday. City was leading 1-0 until the 88th minute of the match. But even then Manchester City lost 2-1. Manchester City conceded two goals in the last minute. In such a situation, winning against PSG is a big challenge for City. I cannot consider Manchester City as a favorite in this match. The match will be drawn or we will see PSG win.

It is not appropriate if the discussion of the match is discussed here considering that there is a discussion board on the Champions League, the English Premier League. If it continues, I think we're the wrong place.

Southampton decided to decide to cooperate with manager Russell Marten. I found out from Fabrizio Romano. On the Southampton account, this has not been published.
If true, I think that's the right way to expect something better for Soton to be able to survive in the English Premier League even though the opportunity to survive with the acquisition of points in Soton's bags is very unlikely.

[Marykeller]

In fact, right now you can hope that PSG can beat City, right when they make so many mistakes, but they are still a very strong team and you can't rule out that in this match it could happen that City win, because the difference between these teams in the Champions League is only one point, and City can't afford to lose, because if they can't get to the playoffs it could lead to Guardiola being sacked. Or maybe City are losing for a reason, I don't know, it's hard for me to understand what's going on.

What brings about defeats and winnings? The club's level is either stable or unstable, creating impacts for greatness. Nobody is sacking Pep Guardiola because he's the main reason behing the developing progress of the Citizens, won them memorable trophies. However at the moment, he's vulnerable, he's always finding means to sort out his problems with the club but when it comes to crucial games, he wouldn't jeopardize his chances. Manchester City will bounce back to epic form, just give them time to pass through this current downtime, because it's only a phase. Paris Saint-Germain vs Manchester City in the UEFA Champions League. What are your expectations? Perhaps we shouldn't commence any solid stats of Manchester City losing because who knows, by then Pep Guardiola will arrange his squad.

It's quite difficult to know when Pep Guardiola will sort out Manchester City problem. The more he thinks of solving it, the more the problem continues. For the match against PSG is unpredictable and risky to bet on either Manchester City or PSG to win. As an intelligent bettor, staying out from such a bet will be highly consider to avoid losing bet of whether Manchester City or PSG wins

[Jegileman]

A difficult match for both of them where their position is not favorable, PSG has entered in a position not worthy of play offs because it is in 25th position in the standings from two wins one draw and 3 defeats to get 7 points, and so with Man City who has 8 points from two wins two draws and two defeats, the position of both is very dangerous and met in the 7th match.

If Man City still loses then PSG can be saved from the current position, but if PSG loses it is certainly very optimistic for Man City to continue their journey in the champions league, but if both draw it will be even more difficult for both.

This two teams are in a very delicate situation now and we may end up seeing both of them been eliminated from the competition. They have both been poor in the champions league this season despite them being one of the best teams in their domestic leagues that have been produced over the years. It seems luck is not on their sides anymore and we may see them both failing to qualify from the first round of the competition which will significantly mean a reduced in rating as the top teams they are in Europe. PSG play better in the domestic league but play poorly in the champions league, whereas Manchester City are both poor in the domestic league and are reciprocating the same in the champions league which is a very bad one for them than it is for PSG. This match will be evenly rated for me because I don’t get to see the team that will play better than the other.

[AmoreJaz]

A difficult match for both of them where their position is not favorable, PSG has entered in a position not worthy of play offs because it is in 25th position in the standings from two wins one draw and 3 defeats to get 7 points, and so with Man City who has 8 points from two wins two draws and two defeats, the position of both is very dangerous and met in the 7th match.

If Man City still loses then PSG can be saved from the current position, but if PSG loses it is certainly very optimistic for Man City to continue their journey in the champions league, but if both draw it will be even more difficult for both.

It is difficult to choose a favorite team in this match. Both PSG and Manchester City are strong teams. Both coaches Luis Enrique and Guardiola are very experienced. But the problem is that both teams are off form now. Although PSG is able to perform well in Ligue 1 matches. But the team is not able to do well in the Champions League. But Manchester City's performance is weak in both the Premier League and Champions League. Manchester City is in fifth place in the Premier League points table. This Champions League match is very important for both. Both teams need to win this match to qualify for the playoffs. So both City and PSG will fight hard to get full points.

As you already said, both teams are strong. So I also think, they will find a way how to achieve those points needed. I don't think they will just sit back and relax knowing that they need to get full points to qualify. The game is not yet over, so they still have the chance to redeem their respective teams.
The game will be in Jan 23, so they have more than a month to think and contemplate what to do to strategize in the field. Otherwise, they are losing their chance. These 2 teams have large following so the expectations is quite pressing. Hopefully, they will get what they deserve here.

[aylabadia05]

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The PSG versus Manchester City match is basically difficult to predict, and we realize this is a match that will determine the journey of each team in the future. Both teams will certainly refuse to play a draw, even though it is very possible. Manchester City, even though they are experiencing their worst period, still looks slightly more favored than PSG. If the match really ends in a draw, then it will provide an advantage for other contestants to finish in the Play-off zone. Pep Guardiola and Luis Enrique are now under great pressure, they must prepare their team as best as possible.

Even though Manchester City's performance so far has been very bad and problematic, they are still a team that has quality and can win with a big score. PSG and Manchester City have not performed well so far in the Champions League, but PSG has performed well in Ligue 1.

Of course, both teams don't want to lose points, so they will fight to win in order to increase their chances of surviving until the playoffs. The outcome of the match will obviously be difficult to predict, but I think it will end in a draw considering the unstable performance of both teams. If anyone is going to win, then Manchester City has a higher chance of winning than PSG.

[Minecache]

A difficult match for both of them where their position is not favorable, PSG has entered in a position not worthy of play offs because it is in 25th position in the standings from two wins one draw and 3 defeats to get 7 points, and so with Man City who has 8 points from two wins two draws and two defeats, the position of both is very dangerous and met in the 7th match.

If Man City still loses then PSG can be saved from the current position, but if PSG loses it is certainly very optimistic for Man City to continue their journey in the champions league, but if both draw it will be even more difficult for both.

It is difficult to choose a favorite team in this match. Both PSG and Manchester City are strong teams. Both coaches Luis Enrique and Guardiola are very experienced. But the problem is that both teams are off form now. Although PSG is able to perform well in Ligue 1 matches. But the team is not able to do well in the Champions League. But Manchester City's performance is weak in both the Premier League and Champions League. Manchester City is in fifth place in the Premier League points table. This Champions League match is very important for both. Both teams need to win this match to qualify for the playoffs. So both City and PSG will fight hard to get full points.

As you already said, both teams are strong. So I also think, they will find a way how to achieve those points needed. I don't think they will just sit back and relax knowing that they need to get full points to qualify. The game is not yet over, so they still have the chance to redeem their respective teams.
The game will be in Jan 23, so they have more than a month to think and contemplate what to do to strategize in the field. Otherwise, they are losing their chance. These 2 teams have large following so the expectations is quite pressing. Hopefully, they will get what they deserve here.

The match between Manchester City vs PSG will be held on January 23. Both teams have enough time to decide their match strategy. Manchester City is in a very bad form now. Manchester City lost to Manchester United in the last match too. However, Manchester City is a strong and experienced team. I think Manchester City will get back on track before the match against PSG takes place. If Manchester City's performance is stable, it will be much more difficult for PSG to beat City. I am looking forward to seeing the match strategy of Guardiola and Luis Enrique. Both of them are two experienced coaches in Europe.

[ILuckyGuyI]

Liverpool are such an admirable club in the CL now.    6 wins after 6 games, amazing job. Probably they would finish this phase by winning their remaining 2 games also. Because I can't say any of their competitors will be a big challenge for them. Liverpool are currently the closest contender for the CL title clearly. I guess most people think the same lately.

However the most important thing is how clubs will perform after league phase. Because for example I don't think Real Madrid will be like the same as they have generally performed until now. Because of experience and so.

[Cookdata]

PSG is a strong team only when they played on the farmer league. They're totally a different team when they play in UCL.

Either of City or PSG are in a critical situation. They're all potentially out of play off zone if they get no result in the upcoming game.

Talking about the game, it's pretty obvious City is my choice. They played in a difficult league, have better squad, mentality, but they're not in a good condition. It gives PSG advantage to steal points, and away game is City's biggest problem. They got embarrassing results against Juventus, and the game against PSG is a must win game for City.

The Champions League must have been difficult for not only PSG, even the top teams have been suffering from this as well. The new pattern of Champions League has made it difficult for the top teams that do take advantage of other teams but now it's about survival of the jungle, you have to played against one another in bulky game instead of the 4 pairs that are been done and taken advantage especially if you are the weakest among the rest of the teams.

There are 2 rounds of match that are going to be played which is 6 points combine and PSG is a point away from getting to the play off teams, if they win atleast 1 match, they should have the chance to pick up again to the round of 16 if they don't screw things up in the play off but if they snooze, they will be out for sure and that's another buy to Champions League again till next season.

[dezoel]

PSG is still a strong team that should not be underestimated. It's just quite natural that many people feel pessimistic about PSG this season in the UCL. Let's just look at PSG's current point tally which is quite worrying. PSG is even outside the Play-off zone. And the remaining two matches, one of which will really be quite tough for PSG. Because the opponent they face is Man City. Although Man City is also in not very good condition. But still, Man City is Man City, they are still a team to be feared because of their strength in the last few seasons. I'm not sure PSG will be able to get full points from the next match against Man city unless PSG will maybe get full points in the 8th match. But it would be very surprising if PSG couldn't even qualify for the play-offs.

I mean they could still recover from that, they have two games left and they are going to meet with Manchester City and Stuttgart. I am pretty sure that City game will be difficult, although City has been quite terrible recently, and getting losses after losses and they may do terrible there too and PSG may get lucky and might win the game, but Stuttgart game is even more important because PSG is a much better team on paper, at least much more expensive team with players who are valued higher, so that should make them better.

The problem with PSG is that they are not looking like they are a "team", they are individually talented players put together but they never feel like a team and this is causing them problems.

[promise444c5]

Basically, Manchester City still have a chance to win, even though currently Manchester City are completely destroyed in the performance and results they get in the Premier League and also in the Champion League. But even so, I personally feel that Manchester City still have a chance to win despite playing away. But indeed, at the same time also that PSG is still in its best form in Ligue 1 and although still bad in the Champion League. But anyway, considering Manchester City's bad trend, then of course PSG will really maximize this moment to be able to beat Manchester City at Parc des Princes. Because of course, this will be a very good moment for PSG to get back into the top 24 by beating and overtaking Manchester City.

Just as you mentioned, Manchester city at. The moment is currently destroyed (currently),the best thing is just to stay away from their games as they are currently so unpredictable, I mean look at even their last game against Man U  in premier league, they are so messed up at the moment.. the problem about this game prediction is just that PSG is just another replica of Manchester when it comes to UCL but playing fine when it comes to league 1, I can still say they are even a little bit better in UCL than City, so for me I’m supporting PSG to win but tbh I will advise staying away on placing bet on them

[shogun47]

Basically, Manchester City still have a chance to win, even though currently Manchester City are completely destroyed in the performance and results they get in the Premier League and also in the Champion League. But even so, I personally feel that Manchester City still have a chance to win despite playing away. But indeed, at the same time also that PSG is still in its best form in Ligue 1 and although still bad in the Champion League. But anyway, considering Manchester City's bad trend, then of course PSG will really maximize this moment to be able to beat Manchester City at Parc des Princes. Because of course, this will be a very good moment for PSG to get back into the top 24 by beating and overtaking Manchester City.

Just as you mentioned, Manchester city at. The moment is currently destroyed (currently),the best thing is just to stay away from their games as they are currently so unpredictable, I mean look at even their last game against Man U  in premier league, they are so messed up at the moment.. the problem about this game prediction is just that PSG is just another replica of Manchester when it comes to UCL but playing fine when it comes to league 1, I can still say they are even a little bit better in UCL than City, so for me I’m supporting PSG to win but tbh I will advise staying away on placing bet on them

The loss against Manchester United was the worst that could ever happen. It's only one more game that they lost on the one hand, but on the other hand losing against the weakest Manchester United there has ever been is quite a bad joke. The next game against Aston Villa will be the next big challenge for them and since they are in such a bad shape, I think Aston Villa will at least not lose that game.

And yes the next game against PSG is problematic for them because if they lose it, they could drop out of the ranks for the play-off round. There aren't too many reasons now to believe that PSG should be able to beat PSG away from home. The game against Juventus Turin was quite indicative of where Manchester City is currently at.

[Leviathan.007]

Barcelona finally gets their 5th winning in this competition that playing at Dortmund home ground it is not easy for Barcelona because Dortmund also have displayed good performance even 10 minutes before the match ended Dortmund can dominate the game and they almost be equalize the scores but Ferran Torres can utilize the mistakes which made by Dortmund players and in this match he was made a brace and bringing Barcelona to collect 3 points from this match and with this result Barcelona can occupy runner up place under Liverpool with collect 15 points from 6 matches

It was almost certain that these teams would play a both team score right from the kickoff. It’s what I predicted because, Dortmund would be playing host with Barcelona being the visitors and Dortmund doesn’t make an easy win at home, especially when they would be hosting a strong side like Barcelona where they would have to be in there very best.

Eventually, the first half came without any goal, I was surprised and even more surprised when they played over 4.5 in just the second half. It was an interesting one for sure, with Barcelona taking the lead and Dortmund having to equalize the next minute. Time had it up for Dortmund else, they could have managed a draw from this.

This is one good football i have watched for a while now, both teams were at their best performance. The first half goalless draw signifies how competitive both were from taking the win, luckily with efforts Barcelona had the points with a late winner aswell after an equalizer from Dortmund.

It was a shocking experience for the number of goals scored in the second half, i nearly thought my bet on Over 2 from Barcelona won't happen due to how goalless and first half of the game already consumed but just exactly after the first goal boths teams awakened with many goals on the count. Flick has done good jobs with the players but i am still concerned about the way he makes his substitutions, this is a big game for the team and with the kind of sub he did today has a lot to say, nevertheless Torres did a nice job with the win today even as a substitute.

People who lost this match they defnetly lost the most interesting match they could watch because both Dortmund and Barcelona had good performances during this match and until the end of the match I could expect to see each team win this match because of the attacking style they both had.
Guirassy was the only good player in Dortmound, scoring two goals for team one from a penalty kick, but generally, I think Dortmund could even lose the match with the worst result to Barcelona without Guirassy.