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June 11, 2024, 12:04:00 PM
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What I knew about gambling discussion board before was that if a thread is going more than 5 pages already, moderator will lock the thread. It was kind of fun at the time.

If you read the first and second page of threads, they are mostly what can be considered as non spamming discussions because only very little spam that you will see. But if it is getting to the third page, the spam increase.

Some people will just enter the forum and read what someone on page 1 posted and quote it and what he will post at page 6 or 7 or more. What would have been posted repeatedly on page 1, 2, or 3. Some people will even be posting what they have posted before on another way.

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

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June 11, 2024, 12:25:28 PM
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I agree that there are many threads there which should be locked but there shouldn't be a general rule that once a thread goes beyond 5 pages mods should lock it, that's automation, not moderation.

There are many cases were threads rightly should be several pages long. Many of the top threads in the gambling board are recurrent discussions for seasons of different sports leagues, some have been active for many years and are still very relevant today.

If a thread has become a spam mega thread and serves no exact purpose anymore, report that for the mods to handle.

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June 11, 2024, 12:32:59 PM
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This may be a good way to reduce spam, but what's the need of locking a thread that's still ongoing. Some threads are created for the duration of a sports season, so locking those threads after every certain number of pages would just increase the rate at which similar topics are created on the board. If you lock the threads then people would just create topics for posts that could be on one board.
Currently, if a topic that has been posted before is posted again by another user, the topic is usually locked, this way, all topic of the NBA, for example, goes to a topic created for NBA discussion, some with Euro, Premier League and so on.

Threads that are repeated are what I agree should be locked. If there are two threads for NBA discussion, the newer one should be locked, but locking every thread after 3 pages will just increase topics that should not be topics.

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June 11, 2024, 12:42:10 PM
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I agree that there are many threads there which should be locked but there shouldn't be a general rule that once a thread goes beyond 5 pages mods should lock it, that's automation, not moderation.
It was done like that in the past and it was not automation because moderators were doing it manually. Also that it is not necessarily mean the thread will get to the 5th page before it is locked. It can be locked at 3rd page or 10th page. I guess moderator stopped looking the thread for news threads of the kind not to be created just like Alpha Marine posted but they are still created.

If you lock the threads then people would just create topics for posts that could be on one board.
I thought of this but I noticed that many threads on the gambling discussion board are similar and related to gambling addiction. The only ones that I think should be left are the mega threads like EPL, Bundesliga, Seria A discussion and others like that. Also few other ones like Gates of Olympus versus Sweet Bonanza and Casino companies' responsibilities to rehabilitation institutions can be left alone.

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June 11, 2024, 01:02:08 PM
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To me I don't see it as spamming in fact if you must know locking such thread increase more spamming because anyone who wants to reply in that particular thread will likely go create another topic to continue that discussion in another way but without knowing it's same discussion that already been discussed out there. What I can plead with is to lock a thread after 10 pages, I think they won't be classified as mega thread.

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June 11, 2024, 01:28:51 PM
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What I knew about gambling discussion board before was that if a thread is going more than 5 pages already, moderator will lock the thread. It was kind of fun at the time.

Mods do not want to disrupt the mostly useless discussion Grin, that is what I feel as most of it is spam. What they do now is declare a new thread not suitable for the board and move it to another, which I have seen & faced. It is very hard to question them, as my self-moderated thread was moved from the gambling discussion board because it was reported, which I found strange as a self-moderated thread can be only reported to the person who is the owner of it, when questioned.


If you read the first and second page of threads, they are mostly what can be considered as non spamming discussions because only very little spam that you will see. But if it is getting to the third page, the spam increase.

There are mostly topics related to sports that are being ignored by the mods and all of them are spam. It is a possibility that the admin of the forum does not want the mods to take care of those threads as they are being spammed by gambling signature participants. It should be the job of the BM to restrict such spamming and almost all BM are happy with the outcome from a big thread which is why mods do not want to close them.


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June 11, 2024, 01:35:01 PM
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To me I don't see it as spamming in fact if you must know locking such thread increase more spamming because anyone who wants to reply in that particular thread will likely go create another topic to continue that discussion in another way but without knowing it's same discussion that already been discussed out there. What I can plead with is to lock a thread after 10 pages, I think they won't be classified as mega thread.

Some threads deserve to be locked but Predictions/Discussion threads are very much active, updates like newer matches that are easier to be seen by the users who participated in these threads. We already have subscribed to these threads as its an ongoing discussion. If they are locked, the participants are just going to keep creating new threads for new matches.

But I agree it's easy to spam on those long threads which users who regularly participate should be encouraged to report.  

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June 11, 2024, 01:42:14 PM
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It depends on the topic being discussed. Most of the long threads in the gambling board are for the major leagues that run for a full season. I think the English Premiership have the longest thread, two threads running concurrently yet the discussion is active and engaging. Indeed, events in these leagues are discussed daily until the season ends and there was never any case of post bursting. Therefore, I see the need of locking a thread with active discussion.

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June 11, 2024, 01:43:30 PM
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To me I don't see it as spamming in fact if you must know locking such thread increase more spamming because anyone who wants to reply in that particular thread will likely go create another topic to continue that discussion in another way but without knowing it's same discussion that already been discussed out there. What I can plead with is to lock a thread after 10 pages, I think they won't be classified as mega thread.

Some threads deserve to be locked but Predictions/Discussion threads are very much active, updates like newer matches that are easier to be seen by the users who participated in these threads. We already have subscribed to these threads as its an ongoing discussion. If they are locked, the participants are just going to keep creating new threads for new matches.

But I agree it's easy to spam on those long threads which users who regularly participate should be encouraged to report.  
Prediction and leagues thread are known to be mega thread and to me any thread that doesn't contain these criterion should be locked after pages, most times it good to leave those topics to reduce the rate at which newer topics are created. If I could recall correctly, there was a time creating new topics were jokes and people don't care to read the topic that other has created especially the newbies they regularly creates newer topics instead of to read already created topics maybe some ideas that they could be looking at may be found over there instead they are too lazy to read and just want someone to give them directly what they wants.

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June 11, 2024, 01:44:21 PM
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Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

Recently I observed that the moderators were moving some gambling threads to off-topic discussions in their bid to clean the board. It brought some concerns to most gambling posters who were not comfortable with this move because it had some effect. Locking the thread immediately or after some pages might be a better alternative to moving threads to off-topic. Moderators could just lock threads they think are inappropriate so that people will stop commenting on them. It is better because posts that are moved to off-topic are not usually counted by campaign managers.

To me I don't see it as spamming in fact if you must know locking such thread increase more spamming because anyone who wants to reply in that particular thread will likely go create another topic to continue that discussion in another way but without knowing it's same discussion that already been discussed out there. What I can plead with is to lock a thread after 10 pages, I think they won't be classified as mega thread.

There should be no benchmark for the number of pages that will be locked. There are some discussion which has exceeded ten pages but are still relevant. Discussion in such threads might still be educative or informative. I suggest that the moderator use there discretion and handle the situation in a case by case pattern. Let a thread be locked anytime the moderator deems suitable.

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June 11, 2024, 02:09:45 PM
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What I knew about gambling discussion board before was that if a thread is going more than 5 pages already, moderator will lock the thread. It was kind of fun at the time.
I never knew any moderator does it in Gambling board because of threads go more than 5 pages. They can lock threads, move threads to Off-topic boards but not because 5 page threshold.

What I knew is some campaign managers don't count posts after page #5 like Best Change campaign. Some other campaign managers have their own definitions on Mega spam threads and their thresholds can be page 5, page 10, whatever they decide.
Recently I observed that the moderators were moving some gambling threads to off-topic discussions in their bid to clean the board.
I support this react from moderators when some posters create non sense topics, to make sure their posts for campaigns are always in first pages and will always be counted by managers. It's creative adaption from spammers but moderators see this style and they reacted properly with their moderation.

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June 11, 2024, 02:13:11 PM
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And why it's only on gambling board? Huh this should be done on every board without exception.

Spam is spam, other boards are also full of repetitive posts, see Economics (mostly talk about getting rich, money management and self motivation), Bitcoin Discussion (mostly talk about praising Bitcoin), Beginners & Help (mostly newbie ask for guide), Speculation (most people throwing their random number without any reason).

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June 11, 2024, 02:18:22 PM
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And why it's only on gambling board? Huh this should be done on every board without exception.
I agree and beyond boards mentioned by you, let look at Serious discussion board.

Read this board to find serious topics. I am serious that you will find many no value topics there and I really can not figure out why they created those topics in Serious Discussion board while they can do it in Bitcoin Discussion, Economics and other boards.

Beginners & Help (mostly newbie ask for guide)
Repeating threads, questions from newbies and repetitive answers from other newbies. I am bored with those threads and don't want to join with replies because I guess they will not read my replies at all.

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Why are mod not locking long threads on the gambling board discussion anymore

How many topics have you personally reported without them being locked afterwards?

In most cases, mods work in relation to reports and not independently - if there are no reports, there is no action. In addition, let's imagine that someone locks only 30% of topics in Gambling, wouldn't there be a flood of complaints considering that 90% of sig campaigns are related to gambling?

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June 11, 2024, 03:11:12 PM
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Why are mod not locking long threads on the gambling board discussion anymore

How many topics have you personally reported without them being locked afterwards?

In most cases, mods work in relation to reports and not independently - if there are no reports, there is no action. In addition, let's imagine that someone locks only 30% of topics in Gambling, wouldn't there be a flood of complaints considering that 90% of sig campaigns are related to gambling?

I agree on both points. On the one hand I have sometimes reported threads in that section to be locked, as they were over 50 pages. The moderators acted but in the end I got tired of it.

And on the other hand, let's leave the gambling section as it is. As much as it may bother some people, it is the one that keeps this forum alive. If you want this to be a forum with no traffic and something more like a cemetery where someone goes to see Satoshi's grave, attack the section a lot.

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June 11, 2024, 03:18:53 PM
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Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.
I think a little "Revision" to some suggestions and rules of the gambling discussion section, i think it's ok against mod policy, the gambling discussion board is becoming a time bomb attack these days, considering the mods control periodically with reports, maybe putting an active mod on there wouldn't be a hindrance if complaints about gambling discussions weren't so abundant.

To enable a mod or two in there, I think it's a good idea, maybe there's at least a rule that mentions.
"Whoever creates a topic on the gambling discussion board, if there has been enough discussion about gambling, please lock the topic, if it exceeds 3-5 pages, the topic will be locked".

For example: this topic.
Topic: The madness of gambling addicts.

I've already swallowed 116 pages about addiction and now that the topic is being brought up again, that's one thing.

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June 11, 2024, 03:20:59 PM
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There should be no benchmark for the number of pages that will be locked. There are some discussion which has exceeded ten pages but are still relevant. Discussion in such threads might still be educative or informative. I suggest that the moderator use there discretion and handle the situation in a case by case pattern. Let a thread be locked anytime the moderator deems suitable.

The boxing discussion is one of these because it is a progressive event and if the thread is created 2 or 3 months before the fight expect boxing fans here to do their own research and contribute to the discussion to keep the discussion before and after the fight, sometimes there's still so many things to discuss after the fight is over especially if the fight is a controversial one.
I support other discussion locks based on the discretion of the moderators or creators, but in sporting events, it should be after the post-game analysis, which could happen two weeks after the fight.

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June 11, 2024, 03:58:48 PM
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Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.
Now that the most active signature campaign we have on the forum right now is gambling, which requires campaigners to post on the gambling board, locking up an old thread won’t change anything, in my opinion; rather, it will still create room for more spamming.
 
Members will just keep on creating new threads all the time because they need to fill up their post quota. That's just a fact. If there is no place for them to post again, they will just create a new topic, and when that one is due for locking up, more topics will arise. 

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June 11, 2024, 04:18:23 PM
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I agree on both points. On the one hand I have sometimes reported threads in that section to be locked, as they were over 50 pages. The moderators acted but in the end I got tired of it.

And on the other hand, let's leave the gambling section as it is. As much as it may bother some people, it is the one that keeps this forum alive. If you want this to be a forum with no traffic and something more like a cemetery where someone goes to see Satoshi's grave, attack the section a lot.


If signature spam and shitposting is something that will keep this forum alive, then we should refrain from reports as often as possible - although realistically, compared to a few years ago, the number of reports is very low. It's not that there is no reason for reports, but it is obvious that many who actively did it got tired of the obvious fight with windmills.

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June 11, 2024, 04:57:20 PM
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Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.
I don't think it's a good idea because this is not the right solution to this problem. And why only talk about gambling discussion when many other discussions have such an issue (I don't think it is an issue). If you think someone is spamming and you see some posts then simply report it to the moderator. I think the right solution would be to spread awareness among members to not to spam the forum just to increase the post count or activity or to fulfill a signature quota. Proper guidance is the right option, it should be the manager's job (I think) to make sure their participants are not spamming to complete their quota, and many did too.

So, I think members should read the discussion ongoing on the last 3 pages and should try to take part in it, Although I don't post on long threads I mostly post on new threads and try to give my unique POV there as soon as possible as many members can have the same POV like me so I try to share first haha.
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