Biden has to go

[suchmoon]

And this might sound bleak, but i think voters are trusting that biden will be replaced by vice president, if something happens to him, and some hoping that will happen.
This was the case in 2019, at my country, when everyone seemed to think that fresh prime minister of leading party should step aside and he did (not, because of health issues), and was replaced by younger one and in result, we got best prime minister in the history of our country. Sure, she did have haters as well, but that's how politics work.

The problem is that Biden's VP is terrible and I don't know anyone who'd be considering voting for Biden thinking "well, if the worst happens we'll at least have Kamala take over".

[paxmao]

And Michelle is living too well and know too well what means to be President to bother rescuing the country. I think one of the best performing governors should be replacing Mr. Biden.

California has been pointed out, but it is not the only one at all, some profiles out there are really good, with proven track records, all the shit they may have already vented in the Governor's races.

I am aware Mr. Biden keeps the party together well, has excellent links with Unions, donors... It is not that easy to choose a new guy or gal, but they have to bite the bullet to save the US democracy for a Supreme Court that puts no limits to Trump's doings.

[legiteum]

The fact that this thread has devolved into a debate over abortion makes my point for me perfectly.

Voters are going to vote on policy issues that effect their lives when it comes down to making the decision, not how awesome the candidate looks on stage.

And people forget (because the Republicans want them to forget) that Trump is old too, and generally speaks in mindless word salad. That's good campaigning on their part, but as the election gets closer I think the Democrats are going to do a lot of advertising and get that point across.

This election is going to be about the US electing a convicted criminal, or not. About abortion being illegal in all 50 states or not. About the radical change Trump wants to bring to the country or the status quo.

Everything else is relatively meaningless to the average voter.

[Gyfts]

And this might sound bleak, but i think voters are trusting that biden will be replaced by vice president, if something happens to him, and some hoping that will happen.
This was the case in 2019, at my country, when everyone seemed to think that fresh prime minister of leading party should step aside and he did (not, because of health issues), and was replaced by younger one and in result, we got best prime minister in the history of our country. Sure, she did have haters as well, but that's how politics work.

The problem is that Biden's VP is terrible and I don't know anyone who'd be considering voting for Biden thinking "well, if the worst happens we'll at least have Kamala take over".

And in fact, Kamala Harris is at an even greater deficient against Trump than Biden is in the polls. So if democrats were to switch Biden, they couldn't put in Harris.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13593757/president-kamala-harris-biden-replace-poll-trump.html

Donald Trump: 49% (+11)
Kamala Harris: 38%

Donald Trump: 47% (+5)
Joe Biden: 42%

[suchmoon]

Everything else is relatively meaningless to the average voter.

If that was the case then it wouldn't be a problem for Democrats to replace Biden with someone who supports the same issues (i.e. basically any other Democrat) and is not demented. Win-win-win. No more elder abuse, no more cringe for voters, no more "sleepy Joe" memes for Republicans.

[BADecker]

Biden has to go


Trump is doing that. Promise to cancel the Federal income tax.

[legiteum]

Everything else is relatively meaningless to the average voter.

If that was the case then it wouldn't be a problem for Democrats to replace Biden with someone who supports the same issues (i.e. basically any other Democrat) and is not demented. Win-win-win. No more elder abuse, no more cringe for voters, no more "sleepy Joe" memes for Republicans.

No, because there's such a thing as name recognition, and campaign dynamics that make it really hard to replace a candidate after they've been nominated.

If Biden thought another candidate would have a better chance against Trump, he would step aside. The fact is that there's no data that supports that right now, just feelings--mostly from Republicans, who aren't going to vote for Biden anyhow.

[be.open]

The fact that this thread has devolved into a debate over abortion makes my point for me perfectly.

Voters are going to vote on policy issues that effect their lives when it comes down to making the decision, not how awesome the candidate looks on stage.

And people forget (because the Republicans want them to forget) that Trump is old too, and generally speaks in mindless word salad. That's good campaigning on their part, but as the election gets closer I think the Democrats are going to do a lot of advertising and get that point across.

This election is going to be about the US electing a convicted criminal, or not. About abortion being illegal in all 50 states or not. About the radical change Trump wants to bring to the country or the status quo.

Everything else is relatively meaningless to the average voter.

I repeat to you again - speak for yourself. You have no mandate to speak for the "average voter."

The objective reality is that there is no way for the United States to maintain the “status quo.” The world has changed, the United States has already lost its role as world hegemon. It seems that the Republicans have a better feel for the winds of change, so their chances of winning look better. The essence of the political contradictions that split the United States in half is a struggle for power between globalists and anti-globalists. And this problem is more serious than the issue of abortion.

[legiteum]

I repeat to you again - speak for yourself. You have no mandate to speak for the "average voter."

I just go by the available data and what you read on polling sites. Most voters don't know what a "world hegemon" is, or what the split between "globalists" and "anti-globalists" is (odd that you are posting in the ultra-globalist bitcoin universe btw ).

Many voters, like yourself, will vote to make abortion illegal. Many voters will vote to keep it legal. Everything else is pretty puny compared to that.

I would agree that foreign policy is more important than abortion as an existential threat to the country, but most voters simply aren't aware of that--again, read the polls. And seriously, as somebody who clearly wants very desperately for abortion to be illegal, are you sure all of the other stuff isn't just an excuse? You are just repeating GOP talking points there. Maybe that's what you believe deep down, but it sure seems like you are just hoping that side wins because of your one pet policy goal, and you'll repeat whatever they need you to repeat so they win.

Put it another way, 15 years ago, when Republicans were the more hawkish party (but still in favor of making abortion illegal), did you think differently? Where you as hawkish as they were?

[be.open]

I repeat to you again - speak for yourself. You have no mandate to speak for the "average voter."

I just go by the available data and what you read on polling sites. Most voters don't know what a "world hegemon" is, or what the split between "globalists" and "anti-globalists" is (odd that you are posting in the ultra-globalist bitcoin universe btw ).

Many voters, like yourself, will vote to make abortion illegal. Many voters will vote to keep it legal. Everything else is pretty puny compared to that.

I would agree that foreign policy is more important than abortion as an existential threat to the country, but most voters simply aren't aware of that--again, read the polls. And seriously, as somebody who clearly wants very desperately for abortion to be illegal, are you sure all of the other stuff isn't just an excuse? You are just repeating GOP talking points there. Maybe that's what you believe deep down, but it sure seems like you are just hoping that side wins because of your one pet policy goal, and you'll repeat whatever they need you to repeat so they win.

Put it another way, 15 years ago, when Republicans were the more hawkish party (but still in favor of making abortion illegal), did you think differently? Where you as hawkish as they were?

You sound like a political shitposter on the payroll of the State Department, here promoting the agenda of the Democratic Party that is relevant to the US domestic audience. And this is quite strange, considering that you are in the ultra-globalistic universe of BTC.

All supporters of the legal killing of unborn children would do well to remember that their mother once did not exercise her right to an abortion while she was pregnant with them.

[legiteum]

All supporters of the legal killing of unborn children [...]

Again, you keep making my point for me: your issue is abortion, not whether one candidate or another had a good debate or not. Because of your issue, the debate would have no bearing on your choice for president no matter what happened. That's true, according to the data, for most voters.

And changing Biden to some other candidate who would support a women's right to choose wouldn't make any difference to you either--nor would changing Trump out with another Republican for somebody who prioritizes personal choice.

The polls have hardly moved since the debate, and the whole thing will be forgotten in another week.

[be.open]

All supporters of the legal killing of unborn children [...]

Again, you keep making my point for me: your issue is abortion, not whether one candidate or another had a good debate or not. Because of your issue, the debate would have no bearing on your choice for president no matter what happened. That's true, according to the data, for most voters.

And changing Biden to some other candidate who would support a women's right to choose wouldn't make any difference to you either--nor would changing Trump out with another Republican for somebody who prioritizes personal choice.

The polls have hardly moved since the debate, and the whole thing will be forgotten in another week.

Time will show. I stocked up on popcorn and am watching with interest the progress of the US election race. I have no rational explanation, but there is a strong feeling that it is VERY important for the Democrats to win and they will stop at nothing to maintain the presidency, including a possible physical attempt on Trump's life.

Opinion polls are propaganda bullshit. Look at the betting odds at bookmakers, where people risk their money to vote for one candidate or another. Trump has an approximately two-fold advantage there.

[BADecker]

All supporters of the legal killing of unborn children [...]

Again, you keep making my point for me: your issue is abortion, not whether one candidate or another had a good debate or not. Because of your issue, the debate would have no bearing on your choice for president no matter what happened. That's true, according to the data, for most voters.

And changing Biden to some other candidate who would support a women's right to choose wouldn't make any difference to you either--nor would changing Trump out with another Republican for somebody who prioritizes personal choice.

The polls have hardly moved since the debate, and the whole thing will be forgotten in another week.

Time will show. I stocked up on popcorn and am watching with interest the progress of the US election race. I have no rational explanation, but there is a strong feeling that it is VERY important for the Democrats to win and they will stop at nothing to maintain the presidency, including a possible physical attempt on Trump's life.

Opinion polls are propaganda bullshit. Look at the betting odds at bookmakers, where people risk their money to vote for one candidate or another. Trump has an approximately two-fold advantage there.

When the people learn this >>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5501995.msg64290787#msg64290787 in detail, and what it is truly about - freedom - they will realize that the US government is almost irrelevant, and can't do anything against them.

[suchmoon]

If Biden thought another candidate would have a better chance against Trump, he would step aside. The fact is that there's no data that supports that right now, just feelings--mostly from Republicans, who aren't going to vote for Biden anyhow.

Polls (even from before the debate) show many top Democrats about the same as Biden vs Trump... surely a few months of campaigning would boost their chances considerably, vs Biden's negative "name recognition". Not only that, but Democrats themselves overwhelmingly think another candidate has a better chance than Biden, so these "feelings" are widely bipartisan.

[GiftedMAN]

Biden got a lot of people disappointed in the presidential debate because he is too old and could hardly complete his speech. He also said that US needs another president which got most people worried because how will a president make such statements when he is part of the election candidate.

Same thing happened in the last presidential election in Nigeria my country where the current president right now Bola Amed Tinubu couldn't make proper speech to address his supporters during his campaign and it was so obvious that he had some health issues because he couldn't even remember what he was supposed to say even when his people were telling him, but at the end he won the election and the country is in deep pains and suffering now because the president is sick in the brain.
If Biden could suggest that US needs another president with his own mouth while he is the current president right now, is it not obvious that something is wrong? I think he should step aside and get a proper medication while others can continue in the race.

[legiteum]

Polls (even from before the debate) show many top Democrats about the same as Biden vs Trump... surely a few months of campaigning would boost their chances considerably, vs Biden's negative "name recognition". Not only that, but Democrats themselves overwhelmingly think another candidate has a better chance than Biden, so these "feelings" are widely bipartisan.

That link just points to a bunch of polling for Biden v. Trump. The other poll is what a bunch of non-experts think of an extremely technical topic (and confirmed Democratic voters are going to vote for Biden regardless).

Obviously, if there is strong evidence that another candidate (which one?) would beat Trump, then Biden would step down. But such a move is very risky and could make the situation even worse for Democrats.

But regardless, people's feelings about what scenario is best should be dismissed...

[be.open]

Obviously, if there is strong evidence that another candidate (which one?) would beat Trump, then Biden would step down. But such a move is very risky and could make the situation even worse for Democrats.

Today Biden is giving an interview to ABC, where he will most likely announce his withdrawal from the election race. The Democrats will not win in the upcoming elections, accept it.

[legiteum]

Obviously, if there is strong evidence that another candidate (which one?) would beat Trump, then Biden would step down. But such a move is very risky and could make the situation even worse for Democrats.

Today Biden is giving an interview to ABC, where he will most likely announce his withdrawal from the election race. The Democrats will not win in the upcoming elections, accept it.

Then why especially do you care about this thread?

[be.open]

Obviously, if there is strong evidence that another candidate (which one?) would beat Trump, then Biden would step down. But such a move is very risky and could make the situation even worse for Democrats.

Today Biden is giving an interview to ABC, where he will most likely announce his withdrawal from the election race. The Democrats will not win in the upcoming elections, accept it.

Then why especially do you care about this thread?

I am testing the hypothesis that Zelensky’s handshake leads to rapid political suicide for any politician who extends his hand. Biden is far from the first on this list, and I think he won’t be the last. Yesterday, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak was forced to admit defeat and resign.

[legiteum]

I am testing the hypothesis that Zelensky’s handshake leads to rapid political suicide for any politician who extends his hand.

In other words, you are posting here because you want to insert some other topic that has nothing to do with the thread.

Good to know .