Voting is harmful. Don't do it

[nakitalk]

And how to fight? Where to begin?

[Porfirii]

OP claims that voting is harmful, and that's not the first time I read it.

Others claim that voting is useless, and in some sense they are also right.

So, everyone can do what they want with their vote, which is their right for a reason

[FatFork]

people who died for the right to vote were incredibly stupid. humans in our earliest forms have been around for 6 millions years. we only started voting 2500 years ago in ancient greece. it is a dumb cruel experiment and that is becoming more and more obvious everyday. I don't promote a government. The idea of a government for man is undignified to say the least. Why should man be governed? Can man not govern himself? Had we not being doing that for millions of years until these empires imposed these shams on us?

Interesting perspective, but perhaps a little short-sighted.  The rights and ability to share views freely came from those who fought for equality.  Calling efforts undignified dismisses real suffering under oppression.  Try living under actual tyranny and then tell me how much you miss a system with flaws you can address. All systems have flaws, but they can also further justice and governments maintain order and stability. They can protect basic rights, build infrastructure, and ensure a semblance of order. To claim humans governed themselves perfectly for millions of years ignores countless conflicts and power struggles. Sure, you can romanticize the past as much as you want, but the reality is life expectancy a few thousand years ago was significantly lower.  Even basic healthcare advancements modern society takes for granted would be life-saving back then. You think you'd be happier living then? Well, if you're past your thirties, chances are you wouldn't even be here to argue the point.

[Zanab247]

If voting is harmful in your country, don't think is harmful to other countries in the world op, because voting is counting in other countries to make them to elected a potential leaders that will help the countries to achieve their goal.

I know, there are some leaders that will promised the societies with so many things during the campaign that will make the people in the societies to come out to vote massively, but once they resume office they will no longer fulfill their promise which I believe that is the harmful you are talking about in this trend, but don't allow such things to discourage you not to vote during the election period. If you live in a family that feel voting is harmful, try to prove to them that voting is helpful to a society because once you voted for the candidate of your choice, it make you to be a good citizen that want the progress of the society.

[BunnyWunny]

And how to fight? Where to begin?

bitcoin 

and civil disobedience

[BunnyWunny]

people who died for the right to vote were incredibly stupid. humans in our earliest forms have been around for 6 millions years. we only started voting 2500 years ago in ancient greece. it is a dumb cruel experiment and that is becoming more and more obvious everyday. I don't promote a government. The idea of a government for man is undignified to say the least. Why should man be governed? Can man not govern himself? Had we not being doing that for millions of years until these empires imposed these shams on us?

Interesting perspective, but perhaps a little short-sighted.  The rights and ability to share views freely came from those who fought for equality.  Calling efforts undignified dismisses real suffering under oppression.  Try living under actual tyranny and then tell me how much you miss a system with flaws you can address. All systems have flaws, but they can also further justice and governments maintain order and stability. They can protect basic rights, build infrastructure, and ensure a semblance of order. To claim humans governed themselves perfectly for millions of years ignores countless conflicts and power struggles. Sure, you can romanticize the past as much as you want, but the reality is life expectancy a few thousand years ago was significantly lower.  Even basic healthcare advancements modern society takes for granted would be life-saving back then. You think you'd be happier living then? Well, if you're past your thirties, chances are you wouldn't even be here to argue the point.

I live under actual tyranny. In my country we are one bad news cycle away from being sent to die in a NATO war. If that is not tyranny then I do not know what is.

Just read a book on the native americans my friend, and see how happy they were.

[FatFork]

I live under actual tyranny. In my country we are one bad news cycle away from being sent to die in a NATO war. If that is not tyranny then I do not know what is.

That's right, you don't know.

Just read a book on the native americans my friend, and see how happy they were.

Sarcasm or ignorance? You do know that social structure was fundamental to traditional Native American societies? They may not have had written rules or bloated governments, but they had clear hierarchies and social norms everyone had to follow.  It's embarrassing that someone from outside the US needs to school you on your own history.

[BADecker]

Soon the medical will develop a vaccine for voters.

[Stalker22]

OP, here are some interesting stats you might be interested in. According to many surveys, the Nordic countries are traditionally ranked among the happiest nations in the world.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1225047/ranking-of-happiest-countries-worldwide-by-score/

If we compare this with voter turnout statistics, we see that all these countries have a very high turnout rate in every election, mostly over 80%.

So, it seems more people voting might be associated with a happier nation overall, rather than the other way around.

[BunnyWunny]

I live under actual tyranny. In my country we are one bad news cycle away from being sent to die in a NATO war. If that is not tyranny then I do not know what is.

That's right, you don't know.

Just read a book on the native americans my friend, and see how happy they were.

Sarcasm or ignorance? You do know that social structure was fundamental to traditional Native American societies? They may not have had written rules or bloated governments, but they had clear hierarchies and social norms everyone had to follow.  It's embarrassing that someone from outside the US needs to school you on your own history.

you are a stooge for the state.

are you seriously comparing native american society to modern "democratic" society? have you lost every marble in your head?

[BADecker]

Regarding presidential elections, voting only shows your delegate to the Electoral College from your voting district, how to vote in an election. You are not endangered by your voting.

Further, if you understand freedom and the Constitutional Republic we live under, the danger from NOT voting is small. It only has to do with changes made by a Constitutional Convention.

Any other danger from voting or not voting comes from not understanding your freedom and liberty power in the land of America.

[FatFork]

you are a stooge for the state.

Oh absolutely, because rebelling against basic societal rules and contributing nothing has always been the key to dismantling the all-powerful state.  They must be terrified of your... non-compliance?

are you seriously comparing native american society to modern "democratic" society? have you lost every marble in your head?

I don't. You brought them into the conversation, not me.  The point is, many pre-colonial Native American tribes had functioning structures, even if different from our modern democracies. These structures involved complex leadership systems with councils, chiefs, and representatives - all chosen by the people. So, like I said before, next time you should really learn some history.

[BunnyWunny]

you are a stooge for the state.

Oh absolutely, because rebelling against basic societal rules and contributing nothing has always been the key to dismantling the all-powerful state.  They must be terrified of your... non-compliance?

are you seriously comparing native american society to modern "democratic" society? have you lost every marble in your head?

I don't. You brought them into the conversation, not me.  The point is, many pre-colonial Native American tribes had functioning structures, even if different from our modern democracies. These structures involved complex leadership systems with councils, chiefs, and representatives - all chosen by the people. So, like I said before, next time you should really learn some history.

one major and profound difference being, each member of the tribe actually could go talk to their tribal chief and explain their worries and concerns.. good luck getting a meeting with the potus.

the other being, they did not have anywhere near the amount of regulations and laws that modern society does, the governance structures were extremely loose and basic.

democracy in small groups works, that is patently obvious.

democracy in large groups (try 330 million) does not work and cannot even be considered democracy

[BADecker]

you are a stooge for the state.

Oh absolutely, because rebelling against basic societal rules and contributing nothing has always been the key to dismantling the all-powerful state.  They must be terrified of your... non-compliance?

are you seriously comparing native american society to modern "democratic" society? have you lost every marble in your head?

I don't. You brought them into the conversation, not me.  The point is, many pre-colonial Native American tribes had functioning structures, even if different from our modern democracies. These structures involved complex leadership systems with councils, chiefs, and representatives - all chosen by the people. So, like I said before, next time you should really learn some history.

one major and profound difference being, each member of the tribe actually could go talk to their tribal chief and explain their worries and concerns.. good luck getting a meeting with the potus.

the other being, they did not have anywhere near the amount of regulations and laws that modern society does, the governance structures were extremely loose and basic.

democracy in small groups works, that is patently obvious.

democracy in large groups (try 330 million) does not work and cannot even be considered democracy

Voting helps to keep a Constitutional Convention from happening. That's the only thing that can mess our situation up. The current Amendments are sufficient for both, our Constitutional Republic, and the Democracy of the way the government works.

The people need to realize that none of the things that the current governmental regime does has anything to do with them the people... except that they voluntarily 'obey' it. The courts are open for men and women to stand as men and women rather than persons, and legally and lawfully reject every order that government tries to give them, through proper court adjudication. It's simple, so simple that it's scary.

The only three things that the courts can touch men and women on are harm, property damage, or direct threat. The reason why the courts seem to have so much more power is that the men and women agree to it when they agree to being represented.

Wake up. Voting is the way to keep government under control if it is used correctly and wisely.

[Kruella88]

It is getting harder and harder to live, as if our rights are being crushed day by day and we are getting richer.

[BADecker]

It is getting harder and harder to live, as if our rights are being crushed day by day and we are getting richer.

In the Great Depression, they formed cop-ops. A co-op was a little community where the members lived off the land and the skills of each other. They didn't live with government money or anything else government. Some of these co-ops are still around today (https://midlandservices.com/ and https://uwcc.wisc.edu/wisconsin-co-op-directory-2/ and https://duckduckgo.com/?q=midland+co-op+wisconsin&ia=web).

We now have what is called the Private Membership Association (PMA). This is a better setup than the co-ops.

It's difficult. But time to get together with like-minded people, and start living off the land and each others' skills again.

[Ojinga]

We live in a globalised technocracy where people have been reduced to nothing more than economic units. Voting legitimises an illegitimate system. Don't go out to vote in their little charade. Have some dignity. Don't contribute to the tryanny of modern governance systems.

voting is not harmful but just that in some countries the cizitens voting it's not necessary because the government takes control, but in some countries the majority of the votes leads the government so voting it's very important. We shouldn't advice people not to vote because no matter how we vote even if the government don't see our votes as somethinthat doesn't mean that we should stop voting so our votes still counts no matter what.

[Marykeller]

If we don't vote, how do we get to choose our leaders? Do we go about appointing them as our leaders whether they are bonafide to rule us or not?

Notwithstanding, we humans need a ruler to rule over us and it is not what to be done without carrying out voting procedures. Voting must occur in any area of rulership position, be it president, governor, senate, or even in community leadership, voting must count. It is through it we know who's our leader. As the saying always goes "The majority carries the vote"

[BunnyWunny]

the brainwashing is worse than I thought 

[uneng]

the brainwashing is worse than I thought  

People are used to choose the "lesser evil" and feel proud for exercising their right to vote. The right of choosing which criminal faction is going to rule their nations for the next few years. In other words: to prejudice common citizens in order to boost personal interests of those in charge of power.

Democracy is a sacred word. If you criticize its flaws you are excluded from social environments. The truth is that every systems have their flaws, because they are ran by wicked human beings. But I really feel annoyed for democracy having a special treatment, as it was something superior to everything else.

I would prefer being ruled by a fair and kind king, than by a cynical and manipulative democrat regime, and vice-versa. After all the problem isn't even the regime, but the society, the people who compose it. The political scenario just reflects the quality of the countrymen.