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August 06, 2024, 03:57:49 AM
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The title says it all. Which currency do you prefer to use when betting? Is it stablecoins, good-old Fiat, or traditional cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin or Ethereum?

Personally, I like to gamble with crypto not only because it's "KYC-free", but also because it represents freedom. The only downside is market volatility. Stablecoins always have their value pegged to Fiat (usually the USD), but they're too centralized and often lack investor protections or guarantees of any  kind.
We all love being behind a mask to do our gambling activities, and I love it when you mention the freedom that comes with it, although most times these freedoms come with a significant cost. It can really be costly to deposit bitcoin into the casino platforms except for some notable casinos that compensates for that. Slightly discouraging though, but it gives me personally that feeling that my privacy is upheld.

Another shortcoming of depositing crypto is that you can overspend without knowing unless you've learnt to gamble with a budget and only deposited amounts you can afford to loose.
It just that the cost constraints will always change, especially when there is congestion in the network used for transactions until the increase in the price of Bitcoin can always provide an increase in the amount of costs.
But all of that will be worth it, if we use large amounts of money and can really get the desired convenience, then costs will never be burdensome problem.
Moreover, there are several cryptos that can be used at cost that is still relatively friendly, but the speed of withdrawal or deposit transactions is also no less fast, this makes it easy and provides many choices for gamblers.
Most important thing is that we can understand it and we are able to use what we have prepared.

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August 06, 2024, 12:26:51 PM
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If the gambling site is truly-decentralized, governments won't be able to verify its members. Especially if the creator is anonymous. Sadly, this is not the case as many so-called decentralized applications rely on centralized infrastructure and creators have publicly-known identities. Even so-called decentralized exchanges are becoming a victim of government crackdowns and heavy regulations. So gambling online in a private and truly-decentralized way is almost impossible. Our options are limited.

I've stumbled across a handful of XMR gambling sites, but I'm not sure if they're legit. Gambling with privacy coins might protect you from the "taxman". Using cash (Fiat) to gamble physically is another option. Just remember to never gamble what you can't afford to lose, and there should be nothing to worry about.
Even governments will not be able to verify its members, government can asks the casino to apply verification to their members and force the casino to follow their suggestion. We don't know how strong the government that can push some business to follow the government wants so that will makes the casino will change their rules. We as a member of some casinos will not have any choice except following the casino rules but we can reject the verification by searching and moving to the other casinos.

Even you use XMR or private wallet, if casino asks you to verify your account, and casino will do that for all of their members, you should follow what the casino wants. Gambling with privacy coins can protect you but we know how the government works so the government can force the casino to reveal their members identity to search for illegal things in that casino. We can only trying to use crypto playing gambling and we must take care of ourselves while playing gambling. If we think that playing gambling using small money is enough to prevents the completed verification, we can do that so we don't have to send any verification to the casino.

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August 07, 2024, 12:11:41 PM
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Even you use XMR or private wallet, if casino asks you to verify your account, and casino will do that for all of their members, you should follow what the casino wants. Gambling with privacy coins can protect you but we know how the government works so the government can force the casino to reveal their members identity to search for illegal things in that casino. We can only trying to use crypto playing gambling and we must take care of ourselves while playing gambling. If we think that playing gambling using small money is enough to prevents the completed verification, we can do that so we don't have to send any verification to the casino.

Yeah, that's the thing.

When you are dealing with fiat withdrawals, it doesn't matter if you bet in Bitcoin or anything else, at the end of the day it is fiat.

So, they will want to link your identity to that deposit.

And I think most crypto payment are getting into that link anyway in the casinos, same as fiat.

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August 07, 2024, 02:35:39 PM
 #144

We are in a bitcoin forum, so it is crypto all the way.

Back in 2015 most casinos were bitcoin-centric, eventually altcoins started pouring in and they had to accommodate those too. Then came stable coins and the urge to view balances in fiat currencies, casinos did that too.

Now comes in the casinos which allow deposits in all types of coins and are become KYC abled. Lot of changes in the last decade.

 
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August 07, 2024, 04:08:09 PM
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All the ones Op listed are good to deposit and it is good to use the most easiest one and that I think is the fiat. And why in most time I chose Fiat is because it is transaction free. But in cryptocurrency, you have to pay for the transaction fee. But if I don't have cash in the fiat bank the. I use bitcoin foe the deposit and the two transactions I have carried out in the gambling process, it is the bitcoin transaction that is more faster than the Fiat transaction.

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August 07, 2024, 04:39:12 PM
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We are in a bitcoin forum, so it is crypto all the way.

Back in 2015 most casinos were bitcoin-centric, eventually altcoins started pouring in and they had to accommodate those too. Then came stable coins and the urge to view balances in fiat currencies, casinos did that too.

Now comes in the casinos which allow deposits in all types of coins and are become KYC abled. Lot of changes in the last decade.

Few casinos are still KYC-free. There's got to be some casino owners who still think of the freedom to enjoy although they are limited to some games and not going to be into sports because if they do, they will have to comply with the laws. They are slowly getting demonized by users so there are people who are just going to ask how high when the government wants them to jump.

But it's got to be true that they need to comply with the laws since crypto is not regulated but at least a certain amount shouldn't be coerced to submit when it's just pennies.

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August 07, 2024, 09:30:33 PM
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Now comes in the casinos which allow deposits in all types of coins and are become KYC abled. Lot of changes in the last decade.

I am a player who will always be Pro-Anonymous and privacy-preserved, and it's like you say, there are things that have changed a lot, but I do not agree that most casinos require KYC, unless it has to do with crypto, especially BTC, if we look aside the war against privacy coins are a fact, or in which casino is any accepted? in no casino, and which exchange accepts it? Monero was taken out of Binance, so I do not agree, because why more control? the money that is put in a casino, anywhere, should not be known by any government or third party entity.

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August 07, 2024, 09:53:07 PM
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Even you use XMR or private wallet, if casino asks you to verify your account, and casino will do that for all of their members, you should follow what the casino wants. Gambling with privacy coins can protect you but we know how the government works so the government can force the casino to reveal their members identity to search for illegal things in that casino. We can only trying to use crypto playing gambling and we must take care of ourselves while playing gambling. If we think that playing gambling using small money is enough to prevents the completed verification, we can do that so we don't have to send any verification to the casino.

It's pointless to gamble with a casino that has your kyv verified and then you went ahead and make withdrawal of xmr request like where is the sense in that for using such coin. You have already broken your privacy the momem you accepted to do kyc on the casino. It will even do you more good to request for usdt withdrawal than doing privacy coins as it will raise suspicions more when you are known and you decided to hide your privacy again.

It's just impossible to see a casino that doesn't ask you for KYC, you must do it before you can used their service on a full scale and even if you are allowed to used their service, a time will come when you will be ask to do it else you wouldn't be allowed to withdraw your funds and with some situations we have seen with some casino, they rarely accept kyc after a customer has won a huge amount, they do that to avoid paying out.

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August 08, 2024, 01:54:51 AM
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Even governments will not be able to verify its members, government can asks the casino to apply verification to their members and force the casino to follow their suggestion. We don't know how strong the government that can push some business to follow the government wants so that will makes the casino will change their rules. We as a member of some casinos will not have any choice except following the casino rules but we can reject the verification by searching and moving to the other casinos.

Even you use XMR or private wallet, if casino asks you to verify your account, and casino will do that for all of their members, you should follow what the casino wants. Gambling with privacy coins can protect you but we know how the government works so the government can force the casino to reveal their members identity to search for illegal things in that casino. We can only trying to use crypto playing gambling and we must take care of ourselves while playing gambling. If we think that playing gambling using small money is enough to prevents the completed verification, we can do that so we don't have to send any verification to the casino.

Governments will only be able to enforce KYC on centralized casinos or gambling sites. But what about truly-decentralized gambling dApps built by anonymous developers? Governments will have a hard time trying to verify the identities of gamblers using such dApps. I know centralized gambling will always be the leading force of the industry. But that doesn't mean it'll be the end of private and decentralized gambling. They will turn into a viable alternative for those who need it the most.

I choose to gamble with crypto because of the many benefits it provides. Even if market volatility leaves me with less profit in Fiat terms. Just keep all of the proceeds in crypto (never cash out or convert to Fiat), and the "taxman" will leave you be. Who knows how the crypto gambling industry will evolve in the future?

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August 08, 2024, 07:19:12 AM
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Even governments will not be able to verify its members, government can asks the casino to apply verification to their members and force the casino to follow their suggestion. We don't know how strong the government that can push some business to follow the government wants so that will makes the casino will change their rules. We as a member of some casinos will not have any choice except following the casino rules but we can reject the verification by searching and moving to the other casinos.

Even you use XMR or private wallet, if casino asks you to verify your account, and casino will do that for all of their members, you should follow what the casino wants. Gambling with privacy coins can protect you but we know how the government works so the government can force the casino to reveal their members identity to search for illegal things in that casino. We can only trying to use crypto playing gambling and we must take care of ourselves while playing gambling. If we think that playing gambling using small money is enough to prevents the completed verification, we can do that so we don't have to send any verification to the casino.

Governments will only be able to enforce KYC on centralized casinos or gambling sites. But what about truly-decentralized gambling dApps built by anonymous developers? Governments will have a hard time trying to verify the identities of gamblers using such dApps. I know centralized gambling will always be the leading force of the industry. But that doesn't mean it'll be the end of private and decentralized gambling. They will turn into a viable alternative for those who need it the most.

I choose to gamble with crypto because of the many benefits it provides. Even if market volatility leaves me with less profit in Fiat terms. Just keep all of the proceeds in crypto (never cash out or convert to Fiat), and the "taxman" will leave you be. Who knows how the crypto gambling industry will evolve in the future?
In my opinion, it is also much preferable to use cryptocurrency, especially if you are familiar with it and have used it for many years before. 
The issue with KYC, of ​​course, can arise, but only in the case when we are talking about some large winnings.  And of course, this requirement to undergo verification according to the KYC procedure can be put forward by the casino suddenly and you did not expect it.  You just need to somehow remember this and be prepared.  But in any case, millions of players in the world prefer to gamble anonymously, and if centralized casinos, apparently, following the requirements of regulators, almost all will introduce KYC over time (if they have not already done so), then decentralized Services can probably do without KYC for a long time. 
And by the way, the flow of people who want to gamble anonymously - it will not decrease, but rather, on the contrary, will increase.  So such decentralized Services have incentives for development.

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All the ones Op listed are good to deposit and it is good to use the most easiest one and that I think is the fiat. And why in most time I chose Fiat is because it is transaction free. But in cryptocurrency, you have to pay for the transaction fee. But if I don't have cash in the fiat bank the. I use bitcoin foe the deposit and the two transactions I have carried out in the gambling process, it is the bitcoin transaction that is more faster than the Fiat transaction.

Better you always use cryptocurrency when gambling with a Bitcoin casino because you will get your deposit faster and as for the fees, there is no congestion on the Blockchain for the fees to be high therefore you can pay very small transaction fees that would not cost you so much. When there is congestion on Bitcoin Blockchain, you can make use of other cryptocurrency with lesser fees listed on the casino. I also prefer to use stable coins because it gives me assurance that my deposit amount will remain the same and not change due to the market being volatile. I enjoy gambling with cryptocurrency and do not like fiats that much. The last time I used a fiat currency for gambling was when I was gambling on a fiats based casino and I can see the difference between both types of casinos.

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Locals usually gamble with local currency but I don't use gambling sites that are used by local people in my country. I don't always choose trusted casino institutions to gamble and I use all these crypto currencies including USDT, Bitcoin to gamble. Using all these currencies makes me feel like a true gambler. Maybe if I had not joined the forum I would not have known about all these trusted casino or gambling sites then maybe I would have been forced to use local gambling sites for gambling.

It doesn't matter whether a gambler uses local currency or crypto currency to gamble, the most important thing is whether the gambler can gamble with the right strategy. If a gambler can gamble properly even using local currency, I would appreciate his work.

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All the ones Op listed are good to deposit and it is good to use the most easiest one and that I think is the fiat. And why in most time I chose Fiat is because it is transaction free. But in cryptocurrency, you have to pay for the transaction fee. But if I don't have cash in the fiat bank the. I use bitcoin foe the deposit and the two transactions I have carried out in the gambling process, it is the bitcoin transaction that is more faster than the Fiat transaction.

Better you always use cryptocurrency when gambling with a Bitcoin casino because you will get your deposit faster and as for the fees, there is no congestion on the Blockchain for the fees to be high therefore you can pay very small transaction fees that would not cost you so much. When there is congestion on Bitcoin Blockchain, you can make use of other cryptocurrency with lesser fees listed on the casino. I also prefer to use stable coins because it gives me assurance that my deposit amount will remain the same and not change due to the market being volatile. I enjoy gambling with cryptocurrency and do not like fiats that much. The last time I used a fiat currency for gambling was when I was gambling on a fiats based casino and I can see the difference between both types of casinos.

Fiat would provably out of the selections since we are dealing with cryptocurrencies and I guess most of the bettor choose volatile  or stable coins depends on the situation.

Since for example if there's heavy traffic happening in the network then most provably that BTC or ETH deposit option will be out since for sure majority of gamblers don't want to push thru to used and just pay huge fee just to make their transaction fast to be credited on their casino wallets. So what I think in that situation usually gamblers would select stable coins since this erase their worries about huge fees and network clogged and they can gamble without getting stress by other unnecessary things.

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The title says it all. Which currency do you prefer to use when betting? Is it stablecoins, good-old Fiat, or traditional cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin or Ethereum?

Personally, I like to gamble with crypto not only because it's "KYC-free", but also because it represents freedom. The only downside is market volatility. Stablecoins always have their value pegged to Fiat (usually the USD), but they're too centralized and often lack investor protections or guarantees of any  kind. And then there's the choice of Fiat, but most (if not all) casinos or gambling sites require you to reveal your personal ID (KYC) to use them. In some countries it's even illegal to gamble online. So crypto for me, is the true winner here.

How about you? Grin

         -     For me, there is no problem if I submit KYC if I win a large amount in a casino. It's just that I have never experienced winning a large sum of money. As long as it's reputed and regulated,
it's not a big deal to me if I even submit KYC.

Now, when playing gambling here in cryptocurrency, I often use real cryptocurrency and stablecoins that I use to bet on slot games and nothing else; that's all.

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August 08, 2024, 09:10:55 AM
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All the ones Op listed are good to deposit and it is good to use the most easiest one and that I think is the fiat. And why in most time I chose Fiat is because it is transaction free. But in cryptocurrency, you have to pay for the transaction fee. But if I don't have cash in the fiat bank the. I use bitcoin foe the deposit and the two transactions I have carried out in the gambling process, it is the bitcoin transaction that is more faster than the Fiat transaction.

Better you always use cryptocurrency when gambling with a Bitcoin casino because you will get your deposit faster and as for the fees, there is no congestion on the Blockchain for the fees to be high therefore you can pay very small transaction fees that would not cost you so much. When there is congestion on Bitcoin Blockchain, you can make use of other cryptocurrency with lesser fees listed on the casino. I also prefer to use stable coins because it gives me assurance that my deposit amount will remain the same and not change due to the market being volatile. I enjoy gambling with cryptocurrency and do not like fiats that much. The last time I used a fiat currency for gambling was when I was gambling on a fiats based casino and I can see the difference between both types of casinos.

Fiat would provably out of the selections since we are dealing with cryptocurrencies and I guess most of the bettor choose volatile  or stable coins depends on the situation.

Since for example if there's heavy traffic happening in the network then most provably that BTC or ETH deposit option will be out since for sure majority of gamblers don't want to push thru to used and just pay huge fee just to make their transaction fast to be credited on their casino wallets. So what I think in that situation usually gamblers would select stable coins since this erase their worries about huge fees and network clogged and they can gamble without getting stress by other unnecessary things.
Guys you can't go away with fiat even though we are in cryptocurrency world. The only thing you can say is that, as $weetne$$ said, crypto make the transaction faster but if you don't have cryptocurrency asy the time of deposit won't you use the Fiat? We should be realistic sometimes. Assuming you have one half dollar in your account and the minimum deposit is one dollar. Will you deposit it to the casino or you use it to buy crypto first before depositing? I don't know if you have deposited and play games because these are clear things to understand. I have deposited fiat and deposited crypto and I have seen the two differences. As I said crypto is fast in transaction or deposit.

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August 08, 2024, 09:18:21 AM
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The title says it all. Which currency do you prefer to use when betting? Is it stablecoins, good-old Fiat, or traditional cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin or Ethereum?

Personally, I like to gamble with crypto not only because it's "KYC-free", but also because it represents freedom. The only downside is market volatility. Stablecoins always have their value pegged to Fiat (usually the USD), but they're too centralized and often lack investor protections or guarantees of any  kind. And then there's the choice of Fiat, but most (if not all) casinos or gambling sites require you to reveal your personal ID (KYC) to use them. In some countries it's even illegal to gamble online. So crypto for me, is the true winner here.

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Crypto is convenient to use, but if we are going to bet for a long time, we must take into account the volatility of crypto. We also need to analyze for ourselves at a minimum level where the market pendulum will move. After the analysis, we can decide for ourselves that there will be a fall in the market with a high degree of probability, and transfer our assets to stablecoins for betting. And on the contrary, if a bull cycle is expected, then I would prefer not to bet with cryptocurrency. In fact, it is convenient for all this.

 
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Guys you can't go away with fiat even though we are in cryptocurrency world. The only thing you can say is that, as $weetne$$ said, crypto make the transaction faster but if you don't have cryptocurrency asy the time of deposit won't you use the Fiat? We should be realistic sometimes. Assuming you have one half dollar in your account and the minimum deposit is one dollar. Will you deposit it to the casino or you use it to buy crypto first before depositing? I don't know if you have deposited and play games because these are clear things to understand. I have deposited fiat and deposited crypto and I have seen the two differences. As I said crypto is fast in transaction or deposit.

People just to understand things here most times they makes it looks as if when there were no crypto how did they made deposit online to gamble? Of course they were using fiat to gamble because, the only reason where I think fiat is bad is that when you make huge win and send directly to your bank account you could be questioned about your source of money, and at that time your account could be locked but with cryptocurrency to any amount you sent to you wallet there would be no questioning on how you received those amount from or not. Both are good be it fiat or cryptocurrency the fact is mind which to chose and when choosing them make sure to have passed all the kyc requirement from casino's.

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Guys you can't go away with fiat even though we are in cryptocurrency world. The only thing you can say is that, as $weetne$$ said, crypto make the transaction faster but if you don't have cryptocurrency asy the time of deposit won't you use the Fiat? We should be realistic sometimes. Assuming you have one half dollar in your account and the minimum deposit is one dollar. Will you deposit it to the casino or you use it to buy crypto first before depositing? I don't know if you have deposited and play games because these are clear things to understand. I have deposited fiat and deposited crypto and I have seen the two differences. As I said crypto is fast in transaction or deposit.

People just to understand things here most times they makes it looks as if when there were no crypto how did they made deposit online to gamble? Of course they were using fiat to gamble because, the only reason where I think fiat is bad is that when you make huge win and send directly to your bank account you could be questioned about your source of money, and at that time your account could be locked but with cryptocurrency to any amount you sent to you wallet there would be no questioning on how you received those amount from or not. Both are good be it fiat or cryptocurrency the fact is mind which to chose and when choosing them make sure to have passed all the kyc requirement from casino's.
Most of them are not even gamblers and they are making comments because they are promoting gambling or casinos and they don't know how cryptocurrency works in the industry. Normally I have not withdraw with fiat because the process is cumbersome and delay so I always convert it to crypto before making the withdraw. And I only deposited with fiat. But even crypto is faster and more secure than fiat, we should not neglect fiat because we might use it one day. And after withdrawing it to the exchange, you will still use fiat so fiat is vet important with crypto.

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Last edit: August 08, 2024, 11:22:31 AM by Oluwa-btc
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Personally, I like to gamble with crypto not only because it's "KYC-free", but also because it represents freedom. The only downside is market volatility. Stablecoins always have their value pegged to Fiat (usually the USD), but they're too centralized and often lack investor protections or guarantees of any  kind. And then there's the choice of Fiat, but most (if not all) casinos or gambling sites require you to reveal your personal ID (KYC) to use them. In some countries it's even illegal to gamble online. So crypto for me, is the true winner here.

How about you? ;

Well before crypto came into existence,Fiat currency have been the major means of exchange and people find it easier to gamble with it but looking at how cryptocurrency has evolved and changed the economy and society making it at ease and more comfortable to use and in the aspect of privacy and security it's safe so I'll say I rather prefer the both in betting especially Bitcoin.

Your description of KYC free really meant freedom from what your saying and yes crypto currency exchange has more value than Fiat cause of it's decentralized Nature which makes it topnotch but it's okay to go with both Fiat and crypto in gambling,and again definitely go for something that's comfortable and suitable for you.

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August 08, 2024, 02:09:33 PM
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Since I gamble in crypto enabled platforms, even if they have the option of fiat deposit, I do not give it a thought because I prefer crypto given the ease and peace of mind it offers. I do not feel comfortable entering my card details into different online platforms. Furthermore, gambling platforms have different different crypto deposit options of which I chose that which have less fees and faster confirmation time. However, despite the deposit options, I prefer seeing my balance in dollars to be able to properly manage my gambling in terms of amount to gamble with per round and also my target to win.
If you want to gamble with a small amount of money then crypto is the best option because in this case you will get different types of coins where the withdrawal fee is very low.  In the case of stablecoins, the benefits are also high, but here the withdrawal fee will be slightly higher. Fiat Money I never like for gambling because when you go to deposit with bank card you face many kinds of problems and you get less limit but in case of crypto you get unlimited limit and using crypto you can gamble completely anonymously so I always use crypto. Like and use more for gambling











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