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July 28, 2024, 04:24:27 PM
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I don't know if this is only applicable in my country but this has bothered me a lot

A situation where someone comes to an hospital with a gun wound that's severe and life threatening and the doctors would refuse him treatment untill an official statement from the police is brought.

Even when the person is almost giving up, the doctors and nurses would have zero pity on him and would watch you die if he's not able to get a statement from the police.

I've witnessed similar case that's not even a gun wound but a situation where deposits are requested from an accident victim that was rushed in by strangers and some doctors would even refuse offering treatment till in some unfortunate cases, the person gives up the ghost.

What's your take on this? Is thier a medical, moral or security justification to this?


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July 28, 2024, 06:03:01 PM
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This is a complex issue which triangulates between medical ethics (e.g. oaths taken by doctors and medical professionals), law enforcement, and economic inequality.
One cannot look at the problem in isolation, and in my opinion, any long-term solution requires a holistic approach.
These problems are directly linked to the overall development of a nation (developing countries encounter more of these problems). The only solution is to strengthen institutions and enable harmonious interconnectedness. 
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July 28, 2024, 06:49:46 PM
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It is unsettling to hear that in your country, hospitals may refuse treatment to dying people in critical condition.  That goes against everything I thought healthcare was about - helping those in need, no matter what and  I mean sure, there could be rare exceptions if the person poses an active security threat.  But broadly denying care based on circumstances? It comes across as an unethical inhumane policy decision. 

I wish I understood the rationale behind such a callous rule.  Are bean-counting administrators prioritizing profits over their duty to save lives? Have they become so hardened that they forgot their principles? It makes me wonder if healthcare has lost its moral compass in your nation.  Those in power should remember that a system that abandons its most vulnerable patients has utterly failed.  Doctors take an oath to preserve life when possible.  To instead deny lifesaving measures, allowing preventable deaths - I cant wrap my head around it. 

Maybe Im being harsh, but I have trouble picturing any reasonable justification for letting critical patients die without making every effort to stabilize them first.  Thats a gross violation of human rights.

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July 28, 2024, 06:58:52 PM
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That is the law some government has set up to guide their hospitals based on what they have experienced in the past from some thieves that was fire by the force men to escape to near by hospital for treatment to recover, which is the reason governments made it compulsory to all doctors to take permission from force men before treatment in some countries of the world.

I don't think the law is general, but the law is very common in the Africa hospitals which I have experienced such thing from one of the popular hospital in my society and the doctors in the hospital must take permission from the police force before treatment will take place in such patients health which the people in the society are use to. And it has made many innocent patients to lose their life in some hospitals in the society because it will take sometimes before the hospital will take the permission letter from the police.

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July 29, 2024, 12:21:01 AM
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Those are one of the reasons I do not like how healthcare works in many of the country in development around the world, mine included...
Even if the person seeking for medical assistance was a suspect of criminal activity, they should not be denied healthcare, because it would be the equivalent to impose a death sentence on someone without going to trial... It is very disturbing if you think about it.
Healthcare professionals are supposed to serve those in need, regardless of the situation and economical status, that is their job and part of the oath they took when they started to work as professionals.

Here one is likely to be attention without having to present some law enforcement paperwork, but still we are very far from getting good quality medical attention we deserve.
These are very disturbing and sad topics to touch.

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July 29, 2024, 03:50:30 AM
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 There's no justification if you ask me because I see no reason why you will be invested in either asking for a deposit first before attending to someone at death's door or demand a police report if the person was shot by a gunshot. Heck, at that moment, they are helpless and need all the helping they can get but some hospitals will tell you they are following protocols. Yes I know you'd want to get careful after you've been burned once or twice, but in my country, they don't seem to care. If anything, the hospitals lack the empathy for such people as to them, everyone will die.
 Lots of money is being channeled into the health sector yet you will find out that they are no adequate equipments in some of the hospitals you go to.

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July 29, 2024, 07:42:09 AM
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And what country are you talking about?
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July 29, 2024, 09:42:18 AM
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Is it true that the doctors are waiting for the police's decision or that the victim and the victim's family do not have money to pay hospital fees? Because if he was the only witness to some crime, I think they would need to rescue him immediately without waiting for a decision. Or like the accident you witnessed, so I think the problem here is money.

What I see is that health policies in third world countries are not as good as in other developed countries. Similar to my country, if you are hospitalized in critical condition but do not have enough hospital fees to complete the hospitalization procedures, you will not be treated promptly. It's a shame when it comes to the ethics of my country's medical industry, but we can't do anything else.

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July 29, 2024, 11:49:39 AM
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True professionalism entails that we understand the place of exceptional cases to whatever we hold as what our profession spells out for us. You can't tell me you're following up on what's the role of practice as a medical doctor or an health personal and you sit back and watch someone die under your watch without rendering an helping hands. If that's even clearly written down as a law that every health personnel has to abide by, you have to at least treat the person and maybe handcuff him untill it's confirmed that the source of the gun wound isn't related to an arm rubbery or killing case.

It's purely inhumane and wicked to openly watch a fellow human being die under your watch when you have what it takes to prevent such from happening and your excuse will be that you want to follow due process. And these same people will alter their stand the moment most of the are offered some money or called by an higher authority. Well, I don't even need to ask the country this happens because from all indication, this can happen in a third world country where the laws are made to make life more miserable for the poor and less previledged.
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July 29, 2024, 01:39:43 PM
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And what country are you talking about?
Post history has local posts in Nigeria, so i am guessing this is a thing in there, because i've never heard anything like this. It could be related to some rules about aiding criminals or financial issue, because i am guessing if someone has to pay the treatment, and based on what has happened, it depends who covers the medical bills.

Morally speaking this is messed up. I wonder if rules change if you pay up before the treatment, or if it's a technicality that must be followed blindly.

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What's your take on this? Is thier a medical, moral or security justification to this?
I am pretty sure this violates something in the oath they took. Their duty is different from the duty of police officers and lawyers. They all took oaths to serve the people but in different ways. Medical professionals made an oath to cure and treat everyone equally as much as they can.

No matter how good or bad of a person they are treating, they have to give all their best and treat that person like how they will treat any other patient. It is not their duty to serve justice.
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