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Tampering with Bitcoin’s censorship resistance would be extremely difficult. It would basically require buying off or influencing a majority of developers and somehow changing the consensus rules or mining algorithm. Considering how decentralized and transparent the system is, that’s almost impossible to achieve. That’s the main reason censorship resistance is one of Bitcoin’s strongest features and why its value and concept is so different from a centralized system like PayPal.
Bitcoin is censorship-resistant for now. But what if big companies, governments, and institutional firms run their own nodes and/or miners? Since they have a lot of capital and resources, they can make a big difference on the network. And with mining pools being centralized, we should expect the worse. I believe solo mining is the only decentralized way to truly-defend Bitcoin against a 51% attack. But I could be wrong. Developers can come up with a solution to prevent mining pool centralization, though. That way, Bitcoin will be more resilient against manipulation from "big players". Governments and institutions are amassing a large portion of the circulating supply with the hopes of "owning" it all. So long as the rest holds a greater portion of the supply, there should be nothing to worry about. |
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Bitcoin is censorship-resistant for now. But what if big companies, governments, and institutional firms run their own nodes and/or miners? Since they have a lot of capital and resources, they can make a big difference on the network. And with mining pools being centralized, we should expect the worse.
Nothing would change. This is not Ethereum and this is not Solana. The amount of resources and concentrated, sustained effort that would require to censor a network like Bitcoin is ridiculous. It is not even worth a consideration at this point of time other than in what if discussions. These things are funny because there is always FUD. If the big guys are not involved, then it is bad for some reasons. If they are involved, then it is also bad for some other reasons. There is never a "things are fine how they are, at least for now" scenario for people who succumb to FUD. I believe solo mining is the only decentralized way to truly-defend Bitcoin against a 51% attack. But I could be wrong. Developers can come up with a solution to prevent mining pool centralization, though. That way, Bitcoin will be more resilient against manipulation from "big players".
There are no good ways that you can force people into solo mining, and as such this technique offers no protection against a 51% attack. You can solo mine, but you can't force others to do it. Governments and institutions are amassing a large portion of the circulating supply with the hopes of "owning" it all. So long as the rest holds a greater portion of the supply, there should be nothing to worry about.
There is nothing to worry about, at least for now. |
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Tampering with Bitcoin’s censorship resistance would be extremely difficult. It would basically require buying off or influencing a majority of developers and somehow changing the consensus rules or mining algorithm. Considering how decentralized and transparent the system is, that’s almost impossible to achieve. That’s the main reason censorship resistance is one of Bitcoin’s strongest features and why its value and concept is so different from a centralized system like PayPal.
Bitcoin is censorship-resistant for now. But what if big companies, governments, and institutional firms run their own nodes and/or miners? Since they have a lot of capital and resources, they can make a big difference on the network. And with mining pools being centralized, we should expect the worse. I believe solo mining is the only decentralized way to truly-defend Bitcoin against a 51% attack. But I could be wrong. Developers can come up with a solution to prevent mining pool centralization, though. That way, Bitcoin will be more resilient against manipulation from "big players". Governments and institutions are amassing a large portion of the circulating supply with the hopes of "owning" it all. So long as the rest holds a greater portion of the supply, there should be nothing to worry about. Trump son, the vice president is running a Bitcoin mining farm in the U.S, I heard about this from a relative friend in the country, they are really going after Bitcoin for their own reasons. There is no way things won't get worse from here in terms of market manipulation but that 51% attack isn't possible anymore, I don't think they can pull that stunt on miners, many businesses are relying on this and Trump family want to turn this as family business. I am somehow glad that Bitcoin was already in circulation before these people, imagine all this is happening at the very beginning of Bitcoin life, it would have been a total nightmare. |
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September 04, 2025, 08:29:19 PM |
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Tampering with Bitcoin’s censorship resistance would be extremely difficult. It would basically require buying off or influencing a majority of developers and somehow changing the consensus rules or mining algorithm. Considering how decentralized and transparent the system is, that’s almost impossible to achieve.
I still agree with that, from the point of view of now (2025). But you don't need to bribe developers for that. Just hire developers to create your own variant of the Bitcoin client, for example with a blacklist mechanism, or an anti-CoinJoin feature. Then convince miners that they should run your client, because otherwise the US/any other government would dump all their coins, Bitcoin would crash, and your mining hardware would be worthless. Impossible? Yes, if the following "censorship resistance agreement" in the community still is strong: 1) cypherpunks are still influential in the Bitcoin community and among hodlers, and continue to advocate for censorship resistance. 2) miners are following cypherpunks' decisions because they believe that cyperpunk's views are essential for Bitcoin's long term health 3) and the "passive" users (BTC and ETF holders who are only in "for the profit" and don't care about censorship) are not strong enough to revert the "cypherpunk-miner consensus". If any of these three elements begin to weaken, then the problems I mentioned in the OP may appear. They don't have to. But it wouldn't be impossible in this case to break the "censorship resistance agreement". Regarding solo mining, I think it's overrated as an anti-censorship mechanism. I have read elsewhere that the best strategy is to join a small to mid-sized pool. |
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What do you think? I added a poll also with an intermediate scenario like the one announced by Trump, which would lead to a couple of hundred thousands of BTC hold by states, but not millions.
I stand in the same point of view as you regarding the dislike of the government's ideas holding millions of Bitcoin because in my opinion they can do with the strength they have. For parties outside the government will feel difficult. An imbalance will also be the thing that will be felt with the amount of Bitcoin remaining from the total. But if I think long, this is not an obstacle that will make Bitcoin road in other words will not 'die' even though the scenario is like that. What are you talking about, the government's personal investment or the country's reserve fund investing in Bitcoin? If the government invests its personal money in Bitcoin, then that is its personal matter and it can do that. But if it invests the money of the people of the country in Bitcoin on its own decision, then I will also dislike it. Bitcoin is not a stable coin, so holding millions of Bitcoins through the country's reserve money is crazy. Money has to be used for the development of the country, and Bitcoin is a long-term investment, so in that case, the country could suffer economic losses if it holds millions of Bitcoins. |
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Trump son, the vice president is running a Bitcoin mining farm in the U.S, I heard about this from a relative friend in the country, they are really going after Bitcoin for their own reasons.
There is no way things won't get worse from here in terms of market manipulation but that 51% attack isn't possible anymore, I don't think they can pull that stunt on miners, many businesses are relying on this and Trump family want to turn this as family business.
I am somehow glad that Bitcoin was already in circulation before these people, imagine all this is happening at the very beginning of Bitcoin life, it would have been a total nightmare.
Talk about conflict of interest. The US president's own son getting involved directly in Bitcoin mining. It would be like "printing money" for the government. At least, this contributes towards the security of the main Bitcoin blockchain. As long as no single mining entity controls more than 51% of the hashrate, there should be nothing to worry about. Before governments get involved in mining, they will try to acquire most (if not all) of the circulating supply. And what better way to do this by "institutionalizing" Bitcoin? We should expect BTC spot ETFs in almost any country you can imagine. Institutional investment firms have to "report" themselves to the government, after all. The number of BTC acquired by such entities is still low. There's plenty of time left before their actions become a "concern" to any of us. So I'd just sit back and relax. |
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States holding such a big amount could interfere too much into Bitcoin's power equilibrium.
Thank Goodness you raised this topic was starting to think like didn't no one notice it? Infact emphasis of that statement being In bold. Bitcoin is a decentralised currency yeah we all know but let's not forget the fact that the decentralisation of the bitcoin network is based on majority meaning chances have it that bitcoin can be forcefully centralised. Starting from mining which runs on a 51% rule to fees which is dependent on average transaction fees in that block to even then whole bitcoin price which depends on selling and buying rates that in turn is dependent on major holders and whales. Take for example Bitcion crossing over $70k with bitcioners cheering about it then boom the German incident happened and since then bitcoin has been struggling back to $70k which was almost a new low. The fact is what really can anyone do??? The only thing is bitcioners can try to hold as much as they can hopefully the government doesn't get hold of enough coins to violently shake the market. Hopefully bitcoin doesn't turn out like diamond that was over time accumulated and is currently run by a single body. It seems like my country is trying to buy bitcoin also, they are planning to get 10,000 bitcoin and while they are trying to have it as reserve, that sounds not good in our country because of the corruption going on, seems like their plan is good in papers but once a corrupt official it will never change, even when they are caught they will not just go away since they made the rules that make them exempted or walk away with the crime, buying bitcoin by the government are okay but if they will disrupt the market or make a big impact that will be a bad thing for us. |
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It seems like my country is trying to buy bitcoin also, they are planning to get 10,000 bitcoin and while they are trying to have it as reserve, that sounds not good in our country because of the corruption going on Corruption is everywhere, they only exist at different pedigrees, while if they consider having bitcoin for national reserve wouldn't be a bad idea, as long as they are not doing this for their own personal interest to take into possession form the treasury assets all in the name of bitcoin reserve, am interested to know which country is that even, maybe i could search to make more findings about what they are planning more ahead of this decision, but am not it was never to the best interest of the people. seems like their plan is good in papers but once a corrupt official it will never
To me, it is more better that they did not consider bitcoin national reserve and allow the citizens to independently use bitcoin for their daily economic activities with fair regulations. |
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It seems like my country is trying to buy bitcoin also, they are planning to get 10,000 bitcoin and while they are trying to have it as reserve, that sounds not good in our country because of the corruption going on Corruption is everywhere, they only exist at different pedigrees, while if they consider having bitcoin for national reserve wouldn't be a bad idea, as long as they are not doing this for their own personal interest to take into possession form the treasury assets all in the name of bitcoin reserve, am interested to know which country is that even, maybe i could search to make more findings about what they are planning more ahead of this decision, but am not it was never to the best interest of the people. seems like their plan is good in papers but once a corrupt official it will never
To me, it is more better that they did not consider bitcoin national reserve and allow the citizens to independently use bitcoin for their daily economic activities with fair regulations. Lately, I’ve noticed a trend where governments in different countries seem to go against their own people, passing laws that damage society, promoting negative attitudes on television, and blocking small businesses. And in this light, I don’t really like the fact that governments have set their sights on bitcoin, there’s a concern they might end up using it against the people. I really hope I’m wrong. |
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What are you talking about, the government's personal investment or the country's reserve fund investing in Bitcoin? If the government invests its personal money in Bitcoin, then that is its personal matter and it can do that. But if it invests the money of the people of the country in Bitcoin on its own decision, then I will also dislike it. Bitcoin is not a stable coin, so holding millions of Bitcoins through the country's reserve money is crazy. Money has to be used for the development of the country, and Bitcoin is a long-term investment, so in that case, the country could suffer economic losses if it holds millions of Bitcoins.
And the government investing is not a bad idea at all, but my problem is the fact that I think the government will want to invest because of the profit, but the issue that I am not really comfortable with is the fact that all the money will be poured into the bitcoin, which is not advisable because it does not have a stable price, and another thing is that it is a long-time investment, and look at what countries like El Salvador did. One way or the other, it will help the countries' economy when they start making profit. And not only will it help the county's economy, but at the same time it will help the price of bitcoin to grow, so there is a big difference between the two. And in El Salvador it got to a point that anything can be bought in crypto, so it's a good thing. |
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Some Bitcoiners seem to be enthusiastic about plans by politicians to buy or hold big amounts of Bitcoin as part of a "strategic reserve". In particular, Kennedy's announcement that in the (extremely unlikely) case he wins the US election he could buy up to four million Bitcoins as a strategic reserve.
I don't like this idea for the following reason:
States holding such a big amount could interfere too much into Bitcoin's power equilibrium.
Let's see the following hypothetical scenario:
- The US buys 1-2 million BTC, other states/central banks like the ECB, China and India follow, and together they hold let's say 5-7 million (about 25%-35% of all existing Bitcoins).
- Now the FATF sets up a new "recommendation" that a blacklist for "sanctioned" Bitcoin addresses (like those already implemented in Tether and other stablecoins) would be desirable.
- As almost all states obey the FATF's guidelines, together they pressure Bitcoin Core team to implement a blacklist for "sanctioned" Bitcoin addresses which miners have to obey, or alternatively build an own Bitcoin client with a modified protocol.
- This would of course need a hard fork. But they have a lot of coins, so they can increase pressure by threatening to sell all Bitcoins on the chain which does not follow the hard fork. This has a precedent: it's what Ethereum did when they pressured for the hard fork rewinding the TheDAO hack in 2016.
A similar scenario was already discussed for ETFs. But ETFs would never hold so many coins as some are desiring for states/governments to hold, and also their customers could react, so for ETFs I don't see this danger. Up to 1 million, even 2 millions of BTC hold be states/governments/central banks would still not be something to be worried about. But if all bigger states try to buy millions, then it could become really dangerous.
I don't think Bitcoin would "die" in such a scenario, but I think it could lose a lot of value and confidence. And the scenario is not that unlikely to be ignored.
What do you think? I added a poll also with an intermediate scenario like the one announced by Trump, which would lead to a couple of hundred thousands of BTC hold by states, but not millions.
Well, you are seeing this from one angle and failing to see it from another angle, the dangers you talked about are there just as you have described it, but did you even bother a bit to ask yourself, what it will take to buy up to 2 million or more bitcoin from the open market? Even buying 50,000 bitcoin can drive the price of bitcoin up high to the roof, not to talk of buying up to 1 or 2 million bitcoins, buying up to this mentioned about of bitcoin, I can tell you will drive the price of bitcoin to nothing less than a million Dollar, now think about what will happen when one have to spend up to a million dollars just to own 1 bitcoin, and you need like 1 million bitcoins, and remember the more you buying, the more expensive it gets. This is why I think it's not really all that easy for any individual or governments to own up to 2 million bitcoins without them emptying their reserve or treasury. You are right , because buying such number of bitcoin , if at all they can buy it will do the bitcoin market more good than harm. Bitcoin is made to be scarce, whales activities is what drives the price of bitcoin, so if Kennedy should accumulate four million bitcoin , imagine what such activity could do to the price of bitcoin, and what the bitcoin investors both private and institutional investors stands to achieve , because there is definitely going to be massive profit among bitcoin investors. |
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To me, it is more better that they did not consider bitcoin national reserve and allow the citizens to independently use bitcoin for their daily economic activities with fair regulations.
Lately, I’ve noticed a trend where governments in different countries seem to go against their own people, passing laws that damage society, promoting negative attitudes on television, and blocking small businesses. And in this light, I don’t really like the fact that governments have set their sights on bitcoin, there’s a concern they might end up using it against the people. I really hope I’m wrong. [/quote] They wouldn't use it against their people, more like for their own gain, = not for the good of the people, of course. And surely, they would think more about reserves and services they may provide to gain profit rather than allowing people to get more opportunities themselves. |
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Regarding solo mining, I think it's overrated as an anti-censorship mechanism. I have read elsewhere that the best strategy is to join a small to mid-sized pool.
It is. If you are never able to mine a block or you are just able to do it very infrequently like 1 block per year how does this help against censorship? You are not able to include any transactions that are being censored.
Most of the recent replies to your thread have been shitposters. There was not any substance to address. Lately, I’ve noticed a trend where governments in different countries seem to go against their own people, passing laws that damage society, promoting negative attitudes on television, and blocking small businesses. And in this light, I don’t really like the fact that governments have set their sights on bitcoin, there’s a concern they might end up using it against the people. I really hope I’m wrong.
Correct but not directly relevant here other than a very general statement. Three shitposts in a row. I'll tag all of your for abusing the board. |
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And the government investing is not a bad idea at all, but my problem is the fact that I think the government will want to invest because of the profit, but the issue that I am not really comfortable with is the fact that all the money will be poured into the bitcoin, which is not advisable because it does not have a stable price, and another thing is that it is a long-time investment, and look at what countries like El Salvador did. One way or the other, it will help the countries' economy when they start making profit. And not only will it help the county's economy, but at the same time it will help the price of bitcoin to grow, so there is a big difference between the two. And in El Salvador it got to a point that anything can be bought in crypto, so it's a good thing.
For transparency every government should have a reserve in Bitcoin, its give the people the feeling that the government really care about the future of the country, in the next 30years any government that invest in bitcoin today will make alot of money for just hold it for long time. But the leaders in charge of government are not smart to know the important of bitcoin, they will lose out and the citizen might see them as fool for not embrace bitcoin, the world is changing in the future countries will trade in bitcoin instead of dollars. Its good for government to have some quantity of bitcoin too. El-Salvador has made alot of profit in bitcoin and they are still buying it, they embraced bitcoin very early and they are not regretting instead they but 1btc everyday to their national reserve, they see the future of bitcoin, they know in years to come when other would want to buy bitcoin, it will cost them more. others should learn from them, i wish African leaders will wakeup and start buying bitcoin for the future. |
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Lately, I’ve noticed a trend where governments in different countries seem to go against their own people, passing laws that damage society, promoting negative attitudes on television, and blocking small businesses. And in this light, I don’t really like the fact that governments have set their sights on bitcoin, there’s a concern they might end up using it against the people. I really hope I’m wrong.
That's precisely the reason why many early bitcoiners are against government involvement in the space. They will ruin everything by forcing KYC/AML through our noses. The path towards "institutionalization" of Bitcoin is the first step towards utter-centralization. Of course, the core Blockchain remains decentralized. It will stay way as long as the majority of nodes and miners are geographically-distributed. Once governments and institutions start running their own nodes and mining BTC massively, it will be "game over" for good. Assuming they manage to obtain at least 51% of the network's hashrate (for a successful double-spend attack). I hope I'm wrong, and things turn out for the better in the long run. Many things can happen in the future. So better be prepared for the worse, just in case. |
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It seems like my country is trying to buy bitcoin also, they are planning to get 10,000 bitcoin and while they are trying to have it as reserve, that sounds not good in our country because of the corruption going on, seems like their plan is good in papers but once a corrupt official it will never change, even when they are caught they will not just go away since they made the rules that make them exempted or walk away with the crime, buying bitcoin by the government are okay but if they will disrupt the market or make a big impact that will be a bad thing for us.
There is corruption in every country and that’s a fact, I agree that there are levels to it but yeah, it does exist everywhere. This though shouldn’t be a base as to reasons why any nation shouldn’t buy Bitcoin, especially with the idea of a reserve plan. I don’t think it’s that easy as a government official to loot the treasury using Bitcoin even. Now, we know how transparent Bitcoin can be, if the idea of a reserve is upheld (which is having these treasuries for the purpose of emergencies), you wouldn’t find these guys having yo withdraw from it without any one taking notes. Whatever goes out of the address would be known to the whole country and so, they wouldn’t want to do that and should you state how much you want to invest in Bitcoin, the amount could be easily verified. |
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I don’t like the idea of governments nor big businesses, owning large sums of bitcoin. I never bought into the fact that all these big business conglomerates, as well as our politicians were truly excited about bitcoin and its future technologies, and the way it could change the world more so they ended up finding a way to be able to monetize on the situation to get ahead of government or I should say adversary governments, and none of that sits right with me
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